MCPS HS Start-times need to be changed

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Anonymous wrote:OP, have you stopped to consider later start time would be an issue with activities and homework? If kids don't get home till 4:30, everything would just be shifted later and kids would go to bed later, so that really doesn't fix anything.

That's funny. My younger kids go to private school and go to bed at reasonable times, even with activities. Late start times are so much healthier for teens. It's not like there is any medical expert who disagrees. It's funny how so many people claim to be concerned about kids' mental health but aren't willing to entertain this universally agreed-upon adjustment that would benefit the health of teenagers.

Younger kids are not high school kids. Your kids are probably not having homework and multiple activities, some twice a night do you don’t get it. They are not healthier. Going to bed at a decent hour is. So, if you had later start times, my kids could not start homework till after nine vs coming home, homework and early dinner then activities.

God you are dumb. Teens have a different biological internal clock. “Going to bed at a decent hour” does not work with their internal clock. Dumb as a box of rocks.

They are not going to upend all the middle and elementary kids’ schedules so your precious, precious high school snowflakes can sleep in. “Dumb as a box of rocks” indeed.

My ES student is generally up by 630am yet school doesn’t start until 930. Does yours go to bed too late? I could see how an earlier bedtime might be inconvenient for you.

Again idiot, I can see how biology is not something you can get a grasp of. Teens have a different natural sleep pattern. I know that is inconvenient for you.

Pardon? Do you need more sleep yourself?

Bless your heart.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, have you stopped to consider later start time would be an issue with activities and homework? If kids don't get home till 4:30, everything would just be shifted later and kids would go to bed later, so that really doesn't fix anything.

That's funny. My younger kids go to private school and go to bed at reasonable times, even with activities. Late start times are so much healthier for teens. It's not like there is any medical expert who disagrees. It's funny how so many people claim to be concerned about kids' mental health but aren't willing to entertain this universally agreed-upon adjustment that would benefit the health of teenagers.

Younger kids are not high school kids. Your kids are probably not having homework and multiple activities, some twice a night do you don’t get it. They are not healthier. Going to bed at a decent hour is. So, if you had later start times, my kids could not start homework till after nine vs coming home, homework and early dinner then activities.

God you are dumb. Teens have a different biological internal clock. “Going to bed at a decent hour” does not work with their internal clock. Dumb as a box of rocks.

They are not going to upend all the middle and elementary kids’ schedules so your precious, precious high school snowflakes can sleep in. “Dumb as a box of rocks” indeed.

My ES student is generally up by 630am yet school doesn’t start until 930. Does yours go to bed too late? I could see how an earlier bedtime might be inconvenient for you.

You prove the point. Sleep needs change depending on age. And yes, ES students are more likely to up earlier. They also go to bed earlier, have fewer activities, have less homework, and aren't employed. What do your kids do in all of that morning time? Most young kids aren't outside playing in the morning. And earlier start time for younger kids would be more natural for younger kids and allow more time for physical activity after school.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, have you stopped to consider later start time would be an issue with activities and homework? If kids don't get home till 4:30, everything would just be shifted later and kids would go to bed later, so that really doesn't fix anything.

That's funny. My younger kids go to private school and go to bed at reasonable times, even with activities. Late start times are so much healthier for teens. It's not like there is any medical expert who disagrees. It's funny how so many people claim to be concerned about kids' mental health but aren't willing to entertain this universally agreed-upon adjustment that would benefit the health of teenagers.

Younger kids are not high school kids. Your kids are probably not having homework and multiple activities, some twice a night do you don’t get it. They are not healthier. Going to bed at a decent hour is. So, if you had later start times, my kids could not start homework till after nine vs coming home, homework and early dinner then activities.

God you are dumb. Teens have a different biological internal clock. “Going to bed at a decent hour” does not work with their internal clock. Dumb as a box of rocks.

They are not going to upend all the middle and elementary kids’ schedules so your precious, precious high school snowflakes can sleep in. “Dumb as a box of rocks” indeed.

My ES student is generally up by 630am yet school doesn’t start until 930. Does yours go to bed too late? I could see how an earlier bedtime might be inconvenient for you.

You prove the point. Sleep needs change depending on age. And yes, ES students are more likely to up earlier. They also go to bed earlier, have fewer activities, have less homework, and aren't employed. What do your kids do in all of that morning time? Most young kids aren't outside playing in the morning. And earlier start time for younger kids would be more natural for younger kids and allow more time for physical activity after school.[/quote

That is your kids. In es mine had daily after school activities, we supplemented so they had no work, etc. ]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, have you stopped to consider later start time would be an issue with activities and homework? If kids don't get home till 4:30, everything would just be shifted later and kids would go to bed later, so that really doesn't fix anything.

That's funny. My younger kids go to private school and go to bed at reasonable times, even with activities. Late start times are so much healthier for teens. It's not like there is any medical expert who disagrees. It's funny how so many people claim to be concerned about kids' mental health but aren't willing to entertain this universally agreed-upon adjustment that would benefit the health of teenagers.

Younger kids are not high school kids. Your kids are probably not having homework and multiple activities, some twice a night do you don’t get it. They are not healthier. Going to bed at a decent hour is. So, if you had later start times, my kids could not start homework till after nine vs coming home, homework and early dinner then activities.

God you are dumb. Teens have a different biological internal clock. “Going to bed at a decent hour” does not work with their internal clock. Dumb as a box of rocks.

They are not going to upend all the middle and elementary kids’ schedules so your precious, precious high school snowflakes can sleep in. “Dumb as a box of rocks” indeed.

My ES student is generally up by 630am yet school doesn’t start until 930. Does yours go to bed too late? I could see how an earlier bedtime might be inconvenient for you.

You prove the point. Sleep needs change depending on age. And yes, ES students are more likely to up earlier. They also go to bed earlier, have fewer activities, have less homework, and aren't employed. What do your kids do in all of that morning time? Most young kids aren't outside playing in the morning. And earlier start time for younger kids would be more natural for younger kids and allow more time for physical activity after school.[/quote

That is your kids. In es mine had daily after school activities, we supplemented so they had no work, etc. ]

The “that is your kids” cannot write coherently. What are you saying?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone who is proposing "one simple answer" to this problem really needs to read the bell times study from a few years ago and address the barriers in that document.

If you have "one simple fix" that simultaneously moves HS bell times later AND addresses the logistical/financial challenges laid out in the report, please bring it to the school board.

I remember reading this document, and didn't really think the identified barriers were insurmountable. Rather, a general laziness to tackle anything complex. I remember childcare coming up in such that older siblings were needed in the afternoon to watch their siblings in ES. But many of these same families would also have childcare issues in the AM with the existing schedule with ES starting so late. An early ES start would reduce the number of families needing childcare in the AM, and MCPS could consider expanded subsidized aftercare options for low-income families in the afternoon. YES it would cost some $$ but I am not opposed to investing in something that would overall be beneficial.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, have you stopped to consider later start time would be an issue with activities and homework? If kids don't get home till 4:30, everything would just be shifted later and kids would go to bed later, so that really doesn't fix anything.

That's funny. My younger kids go to private school and go to bed at reasonable times, even with activities. Late start times are so much healthier for teens. It's not like there is any medical expert who disagrees. It's funny how so many people claim to be concerned about kids' mental health but aren't willing to entertain this universally agreed-upon adjustment that would benefit the health of teenagers.

Younger kids are not high school kids. Your kids are probably not having homework and multiple activities, some twice a night do you don’t get it. They are not healthier. Going to bed at a decent hour is. So, if you had later start times, my kids could not start homework till after nine vs coming home, homework and early dinner then activities.

God you are dumb. Teens have a different biological internal clock. “Going to bed at a decent hour” does not work with their internal clock. Dumb as a box of rocks.

They are not going to upend all the middle and elementary kids’ schedules so your precious, precious high school snowflakes can sleep in. “Dumb as a box of rocks” indeed.

My ES student is generally up by 630am yet school doesn’t start until 930. Does yours go to bed too late? I could see how an earlier bedtime might be inconvenient for you.

You prove the point. Sleep needs change depending on age. And yes, ES students are more likely to up earlier. They also go to bed earlier, have fewer activities, have less homework, and aren't employed. What do your kids do in all of that morning time? Most young kids aren't outside playing in the morning. And earlier start time for younger kids would be more natural for younger kids and allow more time for physical activity after school.

I don't disagree at all- I was responding to the PP not wanting to disrupt the routines of ES and MS students. Perhaps too sarcastically, I apologize. My DC goes to before care because I cannot wait until the 9am bus pickup to go to work.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, have you stopped to consider later start time would be an issue with activities and homework? If kids don't get home till 4:30, everything would just be shifted later and kids would go to bed later, so that really doesn't fix anything.

That's funny. My younger kids go to private school and go to bed at reasonable times, even with activities. Late start times are so much healthier for teens. It's not like there is any medical expert who disagrees. It's funny how so many people claim to be concerned about kids' mental health but aren't willing to entertain this universally agreed-upon adjustment that would benefit the health of teenagers.

Younger kids are not high school kids. Your kids are probably not having homework and multiple activities, some twice a night do you don’t get it. They are not healthier. Going to bed at a decent hour is. So, if you had later start times, my kids could not start homework till after nine vs coming home, homework and early dinner then activities.

God you are dumb. Teens have a different biological internal clock. “Going to bed at a decent hour” does not work with their internal clock. Dumb as a box of rocks.

They are not going to upend all the middle and elementary kids’ schedules so your precious, precious high school snowflakes can sleep in. “Dumb as a box of rocks” indeed.

My ES student is generally up by 630am yet school doesn’t start until 930. Does yours go to bed too late? I could see how an earlier bedtime might be inconvenient for you.

You prove the point. Sleep needs change depending on age. And yes, ES students are more likely to up earlier. They also go to bed earlier, have fewer activities, have less homework, and aren't employed. What do your kids do in all of that morning time? Most young kids aren't outside playing in the morning. And earlier start time for younger kids would be more natural for younger kids and allow more time for physical activity after school.

I don't disagree at all- I was responding to the PP not wanting to disrupt the routines of ES and MS students. Perhaps too sarcastically, I apologize. My DC goes to before care because I cannot wait until the 9am bus pickup to go to work.

Well the research that I read says the exact opposite but I get that the OP thinks it would be more convenient for them.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone who is proposing "one simple answer" to this problem really needs to read the bell times study from a few years ago and address the barriers in that document.

If you have "one simple fix" that simultaneously moves HS bell times later AND addresses the logistical/financial challenges laid out in the report, please bring it to the school board.

I remember reading this document, and didn't really think the identified barriers were insurmountable. Rather, a general laziness to tackle anything complex. I remember childcare coming up in such that older siblings were needed in the afternoon to watch their siblings in ES. But many of these same families would also have childcare issues in the AM with the existing schedule with ES starting so late. An early ES start would reduce the number of families needing childcare in the AM, and MCPS could consider expanded subsidized aftercare options for low-income families in the afternoon. YES it would cost some $$ but I am not opposed to investing in something that would overall be beneficial.

All I know is as soon as they change this the same people will start complaining that they need to go back to the previous method. Basically, there's no pleasing most of these people anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, have you stopped to consider later start time would be an issue with activities and homework? If kids don't get home till 4:30, everything would just be shifted later and kids would go to bed later, so that really doesn't fix anything.

That's funny. My younger kids go to private school and go to bed at reasonable times, even with activities. Late start times are so much healthier for teens. It's not like there is any medical expert who disagrees. It's funny how so many people claim to be concerned about kids' mental health but aren't willing to entertain this universally agreed-upon adjustment that would benefit the health of teenagers.

Younger kids are not high school kids. Your kids are probably not having homework and multiple activities, some twice a night do you don’t get it. They are not healthier. Going to bed at a decent hour is. So, if you had later start times, my kids could not start homework till after nine vs coming home, homework and early dinner then activities.

God you are dumb. Teens have a different biological internal clock. “Going to bed at a decent hour” does not work with their internal clock. Dumb as a box of rocks.

They are not going to upend all the middle and elementary kids’ schedules so your precious, precious high school snowflakes can sleep in. “Dumb as a box of rocks” indeed.

My ES student is generally up by 630am yet school doesn’t start until 930. Does yours go to bed too late? I could see how an earlier bedtime might be inconvenient for you.

You prove the point. Sleep needs change depending on age. And yes, ES students are more likely to up earlier. They also go to bed earlier, have fewer activities, have less homework, and aren't employed. What do your kids do in all of that morning time? Most young kids aren't outside playing in the morning. And earlier start time for younger kids would be more natural for younger kids and allow more time for physical activity after school.

I don't disagree at all- I was responding to the PP not wanting to disrupt the routines of ES and MS students. Perhaps too sarcastically, I apologize. My DC goes to before care because I cannot wait until the 9am bus pickup to go to work.

Well the research that I read says the exact opposite but I get that the OP thinks it would be more convenient for them.

DP- can you elaborate and post links to the research you reference?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, have you stopped to consider later start time would be an issue with activities and homework? If kids don't get home till 4:30, everything would just be shifted later and kids would go to bed later, so that really doesn't fix anything.

That's funny. My younger kids go to private school and go to bed at reasonable times, even with activities. Late start times are so much healthier for teens. It's not like there is any medical expert who disagrees. It's funny how so many people claim to be concerned about kids' mental health but aren't willing to entertain this universally agreed-upon adjustment that would benefit the health of teenagers.

Younger kids are not high school kids. Your kids are probably not having homework and multiple activities, some twice a night do you don’t get it. They are not healthier. Going to bed at a decent hour is. So, if you had later start times, my kids could not start homework till after nine vs coming home, homework and early dinner then activities.

God you are dumb. Teens have a different biological internal clock. “Going to bed at a decent hour” does not work with their internal clock. Dumb as a box of rocks.

They are not going to upend all the middle and elementary kids’ schedules so your precious, precious high school snowflakes can sleep in. “Dumb as a box of rocks” indeed.

My ES student is generally up by 630am yet school doesn’t start until 930. Does yours go to bed too late? I could see how an earlier bedtime might be inconvenient for you.

You prove the point. Sleep needs change depending on age. And yes, ES students are more likely to up earlier. They also go to bed earlier, have fewer activities, have less homework, and aren't employed. What do your kids do in all of that morning time? Most young kids aren't outside playing in the morning. And earlier start time for younger kids would be more natural for younger kids and allow more time for physical activity after school.

I don't disagree at all- I was responding to the PP not wanting to disrupt the routines of ES and MS students. Perhaps too sarcastically, I apologize. My DC goes to before care because I cannot wait until the 9am bus pickup to go to work.

Well the research that I read says the exact opposite but I get that the OP thinks it would be more convenient for them.

Your “research” states opposing crap from science and what the AAP recommends. I know it’s what is more convenient for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone who is proposing "one simple answer" to this problem really needs to read the bell times study from a few years ago and address the barriers in that document.

If you have "one simple fix" that simultaneously moves HS bell times later AND addresses the logistical/financial challenges laid out in the report, please bring it to the school board.

I remember reading this document, and didn't really think the identified barriers were insurmountable. Rather, a general laziness to tackle anything complex. I remember childcare coming up in such that older siblings were needed in the afternoon to watch their siblings in ES. But many of these same families would also have childcare issues in the AM with the existing schedule with ES starting so late. An early ES start would reduce the number of families needing childcare in the AM, and MCPS could consider expanded subsidized aftercare options for low-income families in the afternoon. YES it would cost some $$ but I am not opposed to investing in something that would overall be beneficial.

All I know is as soon as they change this the same people will start complaining that they need to go back to the previous method. Basically, there's no pleasing most of these people anyway.

Well yeah, there will be people that disagree no matter what. That doesn't mean we should cling to the status quo that flies in the face of what is best for teens. I'll be curious to see how this goes in CA and if it gains traction elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone who is proposing "one simple answer" to this problem really needs to read the bell times study from a few years ago and address the barriers in that document.

If you have "one simple fix" that simultaneously moves HS bell times later AND addresses the logistical/financial challenges laid out in the report, please bring it to the school board.

I remember reading this document, and didn't really think the identified barriers were insurmountable. Rather, a general laziness to tackle anything complex. I remember childcare coming up in such that older siblings were needed in the afternoon to watch their siblings in ES. But many of these same families would also have childcare issues in the AM with the existing schedule with ES starting so late. An early ES start would reduce the number of families needing childcare in the AM, and MCPS could consider expanded subsidized aftercare options for low-income families in the afternoon. YES it would cost some $$ but I am not opposed to investing in something that would overall be beneficial.

All I know is as soon as they change this the same people will start complaining that they need to go back to the previous method. Basically, there's no pleasing most of these people anyway.

Well yeah, there will be people that disagree no matter what. That doesn't mean we should cling to the status quo that flies in the face of what is best for teens. I'll be curious to see how this goes in CA and if it gains traction elsewhere.

School district we came from out of state was already doing Thai and all the surrounding school districts. My nieces and nephews in other states as well. This isn’t anything new. Mcps is way behind on this.

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Correction for above-This not Thai.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone who is proposing "one simple answer" to this problem really needs to read the bell times study from a few years ago and address the barriers in that document.

If you have "one simple fix" that simultaneously moves HS bell times later AND addresses the logistical/financial challenges laid out in the report, please bring it to the school board.

I remember reading this document, and didn't really think the identified barriers were insurmountable. Rather, a general laziness to tackle anything complex. I remember childcare coming up in such that older siblings were needed in the afternoon to watch their siblings in ES. But many of these same families would also have childcare issues in the AM with the existing schedule with ES starting so late. An early ES start would reduce the number of families needing childcare in the AM, and MCPS could consider expanded subsidized aftercare options for low-income families in the afternoon. YES it would cost some $$ but I am not opposed to investing in something that would overall be beneficial.

All I know is as soon as they change this the same people will start complaining that they need to go back to the previous method. Basically, there's no pleasing most of these people anyway.

Well yeah, there will be people that disagree no matter what. That doesn't mean we should cling to the status quo that flies in the face of what is best for teens. I'll be curious to see how this goes in CA and if it gains traction elsewhere.

Was that district county-wide like MCPS, or was it a town-based system?

School district we came from out of state was already doing Thai and all the surrounding school districts. My nieces and nephews in other states as well. This isn’t anything new. Mcps is way behind on this.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone who is proposing "one simple answer" to this problem really needs to read the bell times study from a few years ago and address the barriers in that document.

If you have "one simple fix" that simultaneously moves HS bell times later AND addresses the logistical/financial challenges laid out in the report, please bring it to the school board.

I remember reading this document, and didn't really think the identified barriers were insurmountable. Rather, a general laziness to tackle anything complex. I remember childcare coming up in such that older siblings were needed in the afternoon to watch their siblings in ES. But many of these same families would also have childcare issues in the AM with the existing schedule with ES starting so late. An early ES start would reduce the number of families needing childcare in the AM, and MCPS could consider expanded subsidized aftercare options for low-income families in the afternoon. YES it would cost some $$ but I am not opposed to investing in something that would overall be beneficial.

All I know is as soon as they change this the same people will start complaining that they need to go back to the previous method. Basically, there's no pleasing most of these people anyway.

Well yeah, there will be people that disagree no matter what. That doesn't mean we should cling to the status quo that flies in the face of what is best for teens. I'll be curious to see how this goes in CA and if it gains traction elsewhere.

School district we came from out of state was already doing Thai and all the surrounding school districts. My nieces and nephews in other states as well. This isn’t anything new. Mcps is way behind on this.

Was that district county-wide like MCPS, or was it a town-based system?