MCPS HS Start-times need to be changed

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone who is proposing "one simple answer" to this problem really needs to read the bell times study from a few years ago and address the barriers in that document.

If you have "one simple fix" that simultaneously moves HS bell times later AND addresses the logistical/financial challenges laid out in the report, please bring it to the school board.

I remember reading this document, and didn't really think the identified barriers were insurmountable. Rather, a general laziness to tackle anything complex. I remember childcare coming up in such that older siblings were needed in the afternoon to watch their siblings in ES. But many of these same families would also have childcare issues in the AM with the existing schedule with ES starting so late. An early ES start would reduce the number of families needing childcare in the AM, and MCPS could consider expanded subsidized aftercare options for low-income families in the afternoon. YES it would cost some $$ but I am not opposed to investing in something that would overall be beneficial.

All I know is as soon as they change this the same people will start complaining that they need to go back to the previous method. Basically, there's no pleasing most of these people anyway.

Well yeah, there will be people that disagree no matter what. That doesn't mean we should cling to the status quo that flies in the face of what is best for teens. I'll be curious to see how this goes in CA and if it gains traction elsewhere.

School district we came from out of state was already doing Thai and all the surrounding school districts. My nieces and nephews in other states as well. This isn’t anything new. Mcps is way behind on this.

Was that district county-wide like MCPS, or was it a town-based system?

Ours was not a relatively small school district. The nearest surrounding district is in the top ten major cities in the US, but it did not have as many students as mcps but was not a small school district. I do think mcps is too large which makes things more difficult to get done.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone who is proposing "one simple answer" to this problem really needs to read the bell times study from a few years ago and address the barriers in that document.

If you have "one simple fix" that simultaneously moves HS bell times later AND addresses the logistical/financial challenges laid out in the report, please bring it to the school board.

I remember reading this document, and didn't really think the identified barriers were insurmountable. Rather, a general laziness to tackle anything complex. I remember childcare coming up in such that older siblings were needed in the afternoon to watch their siblings in ES. But many of these same families would also have childcare issues in the AM with the existing schedule with ES starting so late. An early ES start would reduce the number of families needing childcare in the AM, and MCPS could consider expanded subsidized aftercare options for low-income families in the afternoon. YES it would cost some $$ but I am not opposed to investing in something that would overall be beneficial.

All I know is as soon as they change this the same people will start complaining that they need to go back to the previous method. Basically, there's no pleasing most of these people anyway.

Well yeah, there will be people that disagree no matter what. That doesn't mean we should cling to the status quo that flies in the face of what is best for teens. I'll be curious to see how this goes in CA and if it gains traction elsewhere.

School district we came from out of state was already doing Thai and all the surrounding school districts. My nieces and nephews in other states as well. This isn’t anything new. Mcps is way behind on this.

Was that district county-wide like MCPS, or was it a town-based system?

Ours was not a relatively small school district. The nearest surrounding district is in the top ten major cities in the US, but it did not have as many students as mcps but was not a small school district. I do think mcps is too large which makes things more difficult to get done.

Sorry, I meant to say I’m first line that ours was a relatively small district.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone who is proposing "one simple answer" to this problem really needs to read the bell times study from a few years ago and address the barriers in that document.

If you have "one simple fix" that simultaneously moves HS bell times later AND addresses the logistical/financial challenges laid out in the report, please bring it to the school board.

I remember reading this document, and didn't really think the identified barriers were insurmountable. Rather, a general laziness to tackle anything complex. I remember childcare coming up in such that older siblings were needed in the afternoon to watch their siblings in ES. But many of these same families would also have childcare issues in the AM with the existing schedule with ES starting so late. An early ES start would reduce the number of families needing childcare in the AM, and MCPS could consider expanded subsidized aftercare options for low-income families in the afternoon. YES it would cost some $$ but I am not opposed to investing in something that would overall be beneficial.

All I know is as soon as they change this the same people will start complaining that they need to go back to the previous method. Basically, there's no pleasing most of these people anyway.

Well yeah, there will be people that disagree no matter what. That doesn't mean we should cling to the status quo that flies in the face of what is best for teens. I'll be curious to see how this goes in CA and if it gains traction elsewhere.

School district we came from out of state was already doing Thai and all the surrounding school districts. My nieces and nephews in other states as well. This isn’t anything new. Mcps is way behind on this.

Was that district county-wide like MCPS, or was it a town-based system?

The entire state of California is switching next year. Not big enough for you?

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone who is proposing "one simple answer" to this problem really needs to read the bell times study from a few years ago and address the barriers in that document.

If you have "one simple fix" that simultaneously moves HS bell times later AND addresses the logistical/financial challenges laid out in the report, please bring it to the school board.

I remember reading this document, and didn't really think the identified barriers were insurmountable. Rather, a general laziness to tackle anything complex. I remember childcare coming up in such that older siblings were needed in the afternoon to watch their siblings in ES. But many of these same families would also have childcare issues in the AM with the existing schedule with ES starting so late. An early ES start would reduce the number of families needing childcare in the AM, and MCPS could consider expanded subsidized aftercare options for low-income families in the afternoon. YES it would cost some $$ but I am not opposed to investing in something that would overall be beneficial.

All I know is as soon as they change this the same people will start complaining that they need to go back to the previous method. Basically, there's no pleasing most of these people anyway.

Well yeah, there will be people that disagree no matter what. That doesn't mean we should cling to the status quo that flies in the face of what is best for teens. I'll be curious to see how this goes in CA and if it gains traction elsewhere.

School district we came from out of state was already doing Thai and all the surrounding school districts. My nieces and nephews in other states as well. This isn’t anything new. Mcps is way behind on this.

Was that district county-wide like MCPS, or was it a town-based system?

The entire state of California is switching next year. Not big enough for you?

Oh CA is such a mess. It makes MCPS look like a well oiled machine.

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Anyone experienced with this and how to take steps in confronting this issue with the district? I would be a supporter.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is MCPS behind the curve on this important issue. There is so much research on the topic that teenagers need more sleep and that their biological clocks are wired for them to go to bed later and wake up later. CA is requiring all high schools to start no earlier than 8.30 am starting this fall:

https://hhsepitaph.com/12665/news/california-law-requires-new-bell-schedule-with-830-a-m-start-time/

Oh, the humanity!!

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone who is proposing "one simple answer" to this problem really needs to read the bell times study from a few years ago and address the barriers in that document.

If you have "one simple fix" that simultaneously moves HS bell times later AND addresses the logistical/financial challenges laid out in the report, please bring it to the school board.

I remember reading this document, and didn't really think the identified barriers were insurmountable. Rather, a general laziness to tackle anything complex. I remember childcare coming up in such that older siblings were needed in the afternoon to watch their siblings in ES. But many of these same families would also have childcare issues in the AM with the existing schedule with ES starting so late. An early ES start would reduce the number of families needing childcare in the AM, and MCPS could consider expanded subsidized aftercare options for low-income families in the afternoon. YES it would cost some $$ but I am not opposed to investing in something that would overall be beneficial.

All I know is as soon as they change this the same people will start complaining that they need to go back to the previous method. Basically, there's no pleasing most of these people anyway.

Well yeah, there will be people that disagree no matter what. That doesn't mean we should cling to the status quo that flies in the face of what is best for teens. I'll be curious to see how this goes in CA and if it gains traction elsewhere.

School district we came from out of state was already doing Thai and all the surrounding school districts. My nieces and nephews in other states as well. This isn’t anything new. Mcps is way behind on this.

Was that district county-wide like MCPS, or was it a town-based system?

The entire state of California is switching next year. Not big enough for you?

Oh CA is such a mess. It makes MCPS look like a well oiled machine.

This is not only being done in California. It’s the norm in most school districts in the country.
If you’re using california as a mess and then comparing to mcps, then that’s not saying much about mcps.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone who is proposing "one simple answer" to this problem really needs to read the bell times study from a few years ago and address the barriers in that document.

If you have "one simple fix" that simultaneously moves HS bell times later AND addresses the logistical/financial challenges laid out in the report, please bring it to the school board.

I remember reading this document, and didn't really think the identified barriers were insurmountable. Rather, a general laziness to tackle anything complex. I remember childcare coming up in such that older siblings were needed in the afternoon to watch their siblings in ES. But many of these same families would also have childcare issues in the AM with the existing schedule with ES starting so late. An early ES start would reduce the number of families needing childcare in the AM, and MCPS could consider expanded subsidized aftercare options for low-income families in the afternoon. YES it would cost some $$ but I am not opposed to investing in something that would overall be beneficial.

All I know is as soon as they change this the same people will start complaining that they need to go back to the previous method. Basically, there's no pleasing most of these people anyway.

Well yeah, there will be people that disagree no matter what. That doesn't mean we should cling to the status quo that flies in the face of what is best for teens. I'll be curious to see how this goes in CA and if it gains traction elsewhere.

School district we came from out of state was already doing Thai and all the surrounding school districts. My nieces and nephews in other states as well. This isn’t anything new. Mcps is way behind on this.

Was that district county-wide like MCPS, or was it a town-based system?

The entire state of California is switching next year. Not big enough for you?

Oh CA is such a mess. It makes MCPS look like a well oiled machine.

This is not only being done in California. It’s the norm in most school districts in the country.
If you’re using california as a mess and then comparing to mcps, then that’s not saying much about mcps.

Well, I for one glad to hear that MCPS is a leader making these bold moves to improve the lives of their students while places like CA play games appeasing whatever group complains the most.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone who is proposing "one simple answer" to this problem really needs to read the bell times study from a few years ago and address the barriers in that document.

If you have "one simple fix" that simultaneously moves HS bell times later AND addresses the logistical/financial challenges laid out in the report, please bring it to the school board.

I remember reading this document, and didn't really think the identified barriers were insurmountable. Rather, a general laziness to tackle anything complex. I remember childcare coming up in such that older siblings were needed in the afternoon to watch their siblings in ES. But many of these same families would also have childcare issues in the AM with the existing schedule with ES starting so late. An early ES start would reduce the number of families needing childcare in the AM, and MCPS could consider expanded subsidized aftercare options for low-income families in the afternoon. YES it would cost some $$ but I am not opposed to investing in something that would overall be beneficial.

All I know is as soon as they change this the same people will start complaining that they need to go back to the previous method. Basically, there's no pleasing most of these people anyway.

Well yeah, there will be people that disagree no matter what. That doesn't mean we should cling to the status quo that flies in the face of what is best for teens. I'll be curious to see how this goes in CA and if it gains traction elsewhere.

School district we came from out of state was already doing Thai and all the surrounding school districts. My nieces and nephews in other states as well. This isn’t anything new. Mcps is way behind on this.

Was that district county-wide like MCPS, or was it a town-based system?

The entire state of California is switching next year. Not big enough for you?

Oh CA is such a mess. It makes MCPS look like a well oiled machine.

This is not only being done in California. It’s the norm in most school districts in the country.
If you’re using california as a mess and then comparing to mcps, then that’s not saying much about mcps.

Well, I for one glad to hear that MCPS is a leader making these bold moves to improve the lives of their students while places like CA play games appeasing whatever group complains the most.

How is mcps keeping early start times for high schoolers as improving lives? You have an agenda and it’s that you don’t want to be inconvenienced.
It’s not appeasing a group like yourself, but going by recommendations of the AAP and science based research.
Nice try moron.

[Anonymous]

FCPS moved high school times later. They are as big as MCPS or perhaps bigger

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS moved high school times later. They are as big as MCPS or perhaps bigger

Thank you!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Every year the parents of high schoolers or almost high schoolers start this same thread. It is not going to change.

Probably not changing here, but it certainly has in many other places, even with large school systems like MCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:Every year the parents of high schoolers or almost high schoolers start this same thread. It is not going to change.

Probably not changing here, but it certainly has in many other places, even with large school systems like MCPS.

Not in Florida AFAIK, which has comparatively large districts like MCPS. Just too difficult with that many students to make that big of a change. How would the sports teams practice? In fact most districts with strong sports programs have to start high school earlier to give students enough time for practice and games in the afternoon.

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Anonymous wrote:Every year the parents of high schoolers or almost high schoolers start this same thread. It is not going to change.

Probably not changing here, but it certainly has in many other places, even with large school systems like MCPS.

Not in Florida AFAIK, which has comparatively large districts like MCPS. Just too difficult with that many students to make that big of a change. How would the sports teams practice? In fact most districts with strong sports programs have to start high school earlier to give students enough time for practice and games in the afternoon.

My nieces and nephews in Florida start at later times. Sports start just gets pushed later accordingly, duh?!

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone who is proposing "one simple answer" to this problem really needs to read the bell times study from a few years ago and address the barriers in that document.

If you have "one simple fix" that simultaneously moves HS bell times later AND addresses the logistical/financial challenges laid out in the report, please bring it to the school board.

I remember reading this document, and didn't really think the identified barriers were insurmountable. Rather, a general laziness to tackle anything complex. I remember childcare coming up in such that older siblings were needed in the afternoon to watch their siblings in ES. But many of these same families would also have childcare issues in the AM with the existing schedule with ES starting so late. An early ES start would reduce the number of families needing childcare in the AM, and MCPS could consider expanded subsidized aftercare options for low-income families in the afternoon. YES it would cost some $$ but I am not opposed to investing in something that would overall be beneficial.

All I know is as soon as they change this the same people will start complaining that they need to go back to the previous method. Basically, there's no pleasing most of these people anyway.

Well yeah, there will be people that disagree no matter what. That doesn't mean we should cling to the status quo that flies in the face of what is best for teens. I'll be curious to see how this goes in CA and if it gains traction elsewhere.

School district we came from out of state was already doing Thai and all the surrounding school districts. My nieces and nephews in other states as well. This isn’t anything new. Mcps is way behind on this.

Was that district county-wide like MCPS, or was it a town-based system?

The entire state of California is switching next year. Not big enough for you?

Oh CA is such a mess. It makes MCPS look like a well oiled machine.

Well if they can figure it out then there's no reason why MCPS can't, since MCPS is so superior and all.