Emory has officially passed Georgetown

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are both great schools. Emory is probably less well-known than Georgetown because it's older and in the nation's capital, but both offer great educations. If a kid wants to live/work in DC or the northeast, Georgetown probably has an edge; if in the South, Emory has a slight edge. Also depends on what fields are of greatest interest to a kid.

According to the Dept. of Education's College Scorecard, Georgetown's graduation and retention rates are slightly higher than Emory's; median earnings of Georgetown graduates (>$93k) are a good deal higher than Emory graduates (~$72k). Georgetown's has fewer students receiving Pell grants (14%)and a higher percentage of white students (51%) compared to Emory (19% and 39%, respectively).

Georgetown has a better law school. Emory has a better medical school. According to Parchment (FWIW), students admitted to both choose Georgetown 74% of the time and Emory 26% of the time.

But basically, the rankings difference for the undergraduate programs is negligible. (And silly to obsess over. Is Yale "better" than Harvard? Is Stanford "worse" than MIT? Georgetown is not "better" than Emory, and Emory is not "better" than Georgetown.)

Well, OP, this PP burned you, on straight up facts.

With parchment? I'm so convinced. Emory is in the south and has less white students, while Georgetown is in DC. The salary difference makes sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve never heard of Emory until I got on this forum .

My bet is you aren’t a hiring manager or in the C Suite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are both great schools. Emory is probably less well-known than Georgetown because it's older and in the nation's capital, but both offer great educations. If a kid wants to live/work in DC or the northeast, Georgetown probably has an edge; if in the South, Emory has a slight edge. Also depends on what fields are of greatest interest to a kid.

According to the Dept. of Education's College Scorecard, Georgetown's graduation and retention rates are slightly higher than Emory's; median earnings of Georgetown graduates (>$93k) are a good deal higher than Emory graduates (~$72k). Georgetown's has fewer students receiving Pell grants (14%)and a higher percentage of white students (51%) compared to Emory (19% and 39%, respectively).

Georgetown has a better law school. Emory has a better medical school. According to Parchment (FWIW), students admitted to both choose Georgetown 74% of the time and Emory 26% of the time.

But basically, the rankings difference for the undergraduate programs is negligible. (And silly to obsess over. Is Yale "better" than Harvard? Is Stanford "worse" than MIT? Georgetown is not "better" than Emory, and Emory is not "better" than Georgetown.)

Well, OP, this PP burned you, on straight up facts.

With parchment? I'm so convinced. Emory is in the south and has less white students, while Georgetown is in DC. The salary difference makes sense.

Was coming here to say this. A) Emory is more racially diverse and unfortunately white people are still more likely to have a higher salary than people of other races/ethnicities. And B) since Emory is in the South it follows that its graduates are more likely to live in the South, where salaries and COL are lower than in the NE, after graduation. This is not difficult to figure out.

[Anonymous]

Interestingly the main source of Emory's increased diversity is: roughly double the percentage of Asians compared to Georgetown. Other non-white groups represented similarly at both schools, according to DoEd College Scorecard. Not sure it is the case that Asian-Americans have lower median salaries after college than white graduates....

Also not sure it is true that Emory grads are more likely to live in the South. Emory draws most heavily on non-Southern states for its student body. (After GA, states sending most students are NY, FL, NJ, CA, TX, IL, MD, PA, MA, CT). Quite similar to Georgetown, in fact.

One other difference: Georgetown is 56% female, 44% male. Emory is 60% female.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interestingly the main source of Emory's increased diversity is: roughly double the percentage of Asians compared to Georgetown. Other non-white groups represented similarly at both schools, according to DoEd College Scorecard. Not sure it is the case that Asian-Americans have lower median salaries after college than white graduates....

Also not sure it is true that Emory grads are more likely to live in the South. Emory draws most heavily on non-Southern states for its student body. (After GA, states sending most students are NY, FL, NJ, CA, TX, IL, MD, PA, MA, CT). Quite similar to Georgetown, in fact.

One other difference: Georgetown is 56% female, 44% male. Emory is 60% female.

Actually no. Black/African Americans at Emory are 10.4% compared to only 6.7% at Georgetown. And w Emory having almost 15,000 students and Georgetown having only roughly 5,000 that means a lot more black and brown kids at Emory than at Georgetown.

Where students come from doesn’t = where they will go after graduating. A lot of students stay in the area they went to college after graduation. I’m not sure you can find stats online of where graduates of these universities tend to live after graduation but in my experience, many college grads stay close or at least in a similar region, to where they went to school.

[Anonymous]

Huh? PP, no clue where you are getting your stats, but... at least according to the Dept of Ed's College scorecard, Emory's undergraduate population is 7023, not 15000, and Georgetown's undergraduate population is 7141, not 5000. And Georgetown had 7% black students compared to 8% at Emory. Georgetown has 11% Asian students; Emory has 22% Asian students.

(Look them up: https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?131496-Georgetown-University and https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?139658-Emory-University. I suppose their data might be a year or so old-- I am not sure how often it is updated-- but I am pretty sure Emory did not add 8,000 undergrads in the last couple of years-- and Georgetown did not lose 2000 students).

[Anonymous]

I am going to go with the Dept of Ed's stats.

(If you just google, you get these private sites that often contain a ton of out of date info, and sometimes contain just plain bizarrely wrong info.)

[Anonymous]

Here is an interesting factoid: According to the NYT, about 20% of Georgetown students are from the top 1% of the income scale, and only 13.5% are from the bottom 60%. For Emory, it's about 15% in the top 1% and 28% in the top 60%.

NYT says those stats are from the class of 2013 so this may have changed a bit since then. But it could also help explain the post-graduate income disparities.

Interesting to speculate on why these differences. Don't know if Georgetown is just more popular with the children of the rich-- or if it is a function of different financial aid policies? (Both schools are need blind and meet 100% of demonstrated need, but Georgetown is not as rich as Emory and gives a higher percentage of financial aid as loans, rather than grants, which may deter many lower income kids from applying/attending).

[Anonymous]

PP here. Source, if you are interested: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/18/upshot/some-colleges-have-more-students-from-the-top-1-percent-than-the-bottom-60.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interestingly the main source of Emory's increased diversity is: roughly double the percentage of Asians compared to Georgetown. Other non-white groups represented similarly at both schools, according to DoEd College Scorecard. Not sure it is the case that Asian-Americans have lower median salaries after college than white graduates....

Also not sure it is true that Emory grads are more likely to live in the South. Emory draws most heavily on non-Southern states for its student body. (After GA, states sending most students are NY, FL, NJ, CA, TX, IL, MD, PA, MA, CT). Quite similar to Georgetown, in fact.

One other difference: Georgetown is 56% female, 44% male. Emory is 60% female.

half of Emory grads stay in the south. It's says that on the career outcomes pdf.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is an interesting factoid: According to the NYT, about 20% of Georgetown students are from the top 1% of the income scale, and only 13.5% are from the bottom 60%. For Emory, it's about 15% in the top 1% and 28% in the top 60%.

NYT says those stats are from the class of 2013 so this may have changed a bit since then. But it could also help explain the post-graduate income disparities.

Interesting to speculate on why these differences. Don't know if Georgetown is just more popular with the children of the rich-- or if it is a function of different financial aid policies? (Both schools are need blind and meet 100% of demonstrated need, but Georgetown is not as rich as Emory and gives a higher percentage of financial aid as loans, rather than grants, which may deter many lower income kids from applying/attending).

Exactly, Georgetown has higher salary potential than almost all schools due to location and a wealthy privileged cohort. Not a completely fair comparison.

[Anonymous]

Stats comparison?

[Anonymous]

Blah blah blah.

If you want foreign service / government / and a better undergrad b school. Go to Georgetown.

If you want STEM / Nursing / Public Health. Go to Emory.

As Universities, they are peers.

Georgetown has SFS and simply has better name recognition thanks to John Thompson.

Emory is Div III in sports so many people don’t know it.

Those who care about academics vs basketball most certainly know it. And so do those who hire their graduates.

They are peers. Meaning when you add it all up, they are cohorts. Similar students. Similar opportunities.

Are there exceptions. Of course.
Are the programs when one is better than the other. Of course.

[Anonymous]

Ironically USNews says Emory grads make more. The PP might have been using old data.
https://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/compare/1564-1445/emory-university-vs-georgetown-university?xwalk_id=139658&xwalk_id=131496

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know nothing about Emory. In terms of prestige I don’t see how it would surpass Georgetown.

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