Ethnic cleansing in Eastern Europe - when will the United Nations declare this a genocide?

[Anonymous]

Russia is trying to blame "Ukraine provocations" as if all of it was somehow staged, or, even crazier, "uKRaInIan RaDICaLz KiLLeD TheM" but the evidence is coming fast and furious.

Turns out that in going back and reviewing satellite imagery of Bucha, one can see human-sized objects lying in the road going back in time well into the Russian occupation of Bucha - in the exact positions where the dead bodies were found when the Ukrainian army was finally able to re-enter Bucha.

Russia did this. Russia is lying. They need to be held accountable.

[Anonymous]

Ethnic cleansing and genocide are not the same thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ethnic cleansing and genocide are not the same thing.

Look at the dates on those posts. They were from before Bucha. Hopefully that PP will come back and acknowledge that their initial doubts were wrong.

[Anonymous]

I really hope the EU finally cuts off the oil and gas revenue at some point. The bought bots, propaganda, message amplifiers are sickening. When will russia stream of lies and disinformation end?!

[Anonymous]

The names of the war criminals that took part in Bucha.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Anonymous_Link/status/1511024536115982352

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To better understand the dynamics of how and why this is happening, read this important thread. Here are two of Tweets from it:

If this is true, one thing that doesn't add up is that Putin threatened retaliation on any country that intervened on behalf of Ukraine. Does that mean that Russia thinks Ukraine sympathizers are Nazis, too?

Putin is criminally insane and will assert any preposterous lies likely to bolster his monstrous ambitions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ethnic cleansing and genocide are not the same thing.

For legal purposes neither is the designation crimes against humanity.

It is interesting (in a grim horrific way) that Zelensky refers to the Russian atrocities as genocide - I don’t understand how that can be the right legal framework since Ukrainians have very similar ethnic backgrounds to the majority of Russians. The Russians are referring to their atrocities as ethnic cleansing of Nazis (so sick).

I don’t think Russia has ratified the international agreement on war crimes that gets prosecuted in Den Hague. Even if they issue an international arrest warrant for Putin as a war criminal, I am not sure how they would ever extract him from Russia.

The Kremlin clearly has no regard for UN agreements or basic human rights. However, I hope the world will find a good way to hold them accountable for all these barbaric war crimes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ethnic cleansing and genocide are not the same thing.

For legal purposes neither is the designation crimes against humanity.

It is interesting (in a grim horrific way) that Zelensky refers to the Russian atrocities as genocide - I don’t understand how that can be the right legal framework since Ukrainians have very similar ethnic backgrounds to the majority of Russians. The Russians are referring to their atrocities as ethnic cleansing of Nazis (so sick).

I don’t think Russia has ratified the international agreement on war crimes that gets prosecuted in Den Hague. Even if they issue an international arrest warrant for Putin as a war criminal, I am not sure how they would ever extract him from Russia.

The Kremlin clearly has no regard for UN agreements or basic human rights. However, I hope the world will find a good way to hold them accountable for all these barbaric war crimes.

Sure — although it is possible to perpetrate genocide against the same ethnicity as your own. My understanding is the term “genocide” was coined to describe the Holocaust. Of course, the Nazis murdered people who were also of German descent, in addition to Ashkenazi Jews, Slavs, Poles, etc.

The term “genocide” simply means the attempted extermination of a people in whole or part. Of course, Hitler did not consider any of the people he killed to be the same ethnicity as him, but the reality is that many of them were.

To your point about legality: I think the reason Zelensky is using the term “genocide” is because he’s trying to get the UN to term the events “genocide.” If they do so, my understanding is that there are legal ramifications. I don’t think the same holds true for ethnic cleansing, which is technically the forced resettlement of a people with the aim of making a territory “ethnically homogeneous.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The names of the war criminals that took part in Bucha.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Anonymous_Link/status/1511024536115982352

Go hackers!

Normally, I have major concerns about hackers acting as vigilantes and revealing confidential personal data —/ but in this case, releasing names of Russian soldiers who took part in the atrocities against civilians in Bucha is a stroke of genius. I guess it needs to be verified but hopefully it will help to eventually prosecute individuals carrying out war crimes if they ever leave Russia.

They have been fed prosperous propaganda about Ukrainians being degenerate Nazis but nothing justifies the mass torture, rape and murder of civilians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ethnic cleansing and genocide are not the same thing.

For legal purposes neither is the designation crimes against humanity.

It is interesting (in a grim horrific way) that Zelensky refers to the Russian atrocities as genocide - I don’t understand how that can be the right legal framework since Ukrainians have very similar ethnic backgrounds to the majority of Russians. The Russians are referring to their atrocities as ethnic cleansing of Nazis (so sick).

I don’t think Russia has ratified the international agreement on war crimes that gets prosecuted in Den Hague. Even if they issue an international arrest warrant for Putin as a war criminal, I am not sure how they would ever extract him from Russia.

The Kremlin clearly has no regard for UN agreements or basic human rights. However, I hope the world will find a good way to hold them accountable for all these barbaric war crimes.

Sure — although it is possible to perpetrate genocide against the same ethnicity as your own. My understanding is the term “genocide” was coined to describe the Holocaust. Of course, the Nazis murdered people who were also of German descent, in addition to Ashkenazi Jews, Slavs, Poles, etc.

The term “genocide” simply means the attempted extermination of a people in whole or part. Of course, Hitler did not consider any of the people he killed to be the same ethnicity as him, but the reality is that many of them were.

To your point about legality: I think the reason Zelensky is using the term “genocide” is because he’s trying to get the UN to term the events “genocide.” If they do so, my understanding is that there are legal ramifications. I don’t think the same holds true for ethnic cleansing, which is technically the forced resettlement of a people with the aim of making a territory “ethnically homogeneous.”

Thanks for clarification of genocide. I think they are closely related (genocide and ethnic cleansing for example in Rwanda, Bosnia and China) and both are abominable.

I hope the authorities decide on whichever legal designation gives them the most power and leverage to prosecute these war crimes. The term “Crimes against humanity” was conceived by two Ukrainian lawyers. If treating the war crimes being committed as genocide gives Ukraine more power to hold Russia accountable, then I hope that route is accepted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ethnic cleansing and genocide are not the same thing.

For legal purposes neither is the designation crimes against humanity.

It is interesting (in a grim horrific way) that Zelensky refers to the Russian atrocities as genocide - I don’t understand how that can be the right legal framework since Ukrainians have very similar ethnic backgrounds to the majority of Russians. The Russians are referring to their atrocities as ethnic cleansing of Nazis (so sick).

I don’t think Russia has ratified the international agreement on war crimes that gets prosecuted in Den Hague. Even if they issue an international arrest warrant for Putin as a war criminal, I am not sure how they would ever extract him from Russia.

The Kremlin clearly has no regard for UN agreements or basic human rights. However, I hope the world will find a good way to hold them accountable for all these barbaric war crimes.

Sure — although it is possible to perpetrate genocide against the same ethnicity as your own. My understanding is the term “genocide” was coined to describe the Holocaust. Of course, the Nazis murdered people who were also of German descent, in addition to Ashkenazi Jews, Slavs, Poles, etc.

The term “genocide” simply means the attempted extermination of a people in whole or part. Of course, Hitler did not consider any of the people he killed to be the same ethnicity as him, but the reality is that many of them were.

To your point about legality: I think the reason Zelensky is using the term “genocide” is because he’s trying to get the UN to term the events “genocide.” If they do so, my understanding is that there are legal ramifications. I don’t think the same holds true for ethnic cleansing, which is technically the forced resettlement of a people with the aim of making a territory “ethnically homogeneous.”

The irony, but in a terrible way, is that Hitler himself was part Jewish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ethnic cleansing and genocide are not the same thing.

For legal purposes neither is the designation crimes against humanity.

It is interesting (in a grim horrific way) that Zelensky refers to the Russian atrocities as genocide - I don’t understand how that can be the right legal framework since Ukrainians have very similar ethnic backgrounds to the majority of Russians. The Russians are referring to their atrocities as ethnic cleansing of Nazis (so sick).

I don’t think Russia has ratified the international agreement on war crimes that gets prosecuted in Den Hague. Even if they issue an international arrest warrant for Putin as a war criminal, I am not sure how they would ever extract him from Russia.

The Kremlin clearly has no regard for UN agreements or basic human rights. However, I hope the world will find a good way to hold them accountable for all these barbaric war crimes.

Elements of genocide are certainly happening. The whole denial of the exisyemce of Ukrainians their culture and history rhetoric. The only thing that's missing is an organized execution campaign. But as nore evidence is coming to light that may actually he happeninf.

As for the ICC. It doesn't really matter that Russia is not a party. Milosevic and Taylor give us our examples of what will happen. Basically Putin will never be able to leave Russia. If he does then he can be arrested and extradited by anybody.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The names of the war criminals that took part in Bucha.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Anonymous_Link/status/1511024536115982352

Go hackers!

Normally, I have major concerns about hackers acting as vigilantes and revealing confidential personal data —/ but in this case, releasing names of Russian soldiers who took part in the atrocities against civilians in Bucha is a stroke of genius. I guess it needs to be verified but hopefully it will help to eventually prosecute individuals carrying out war crimes if they ever leave Russia.

They have been fed prosperous propaganda about Ukrainians being degenerate Nazis but nothing justifies the mass torture, rape and murder of civilians.

You GUESS it needs verification? Unbelievable and SMH
It absolutely needs to be verified.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pp again. The more I read it the more chilling it is. The premise is: All Ukrainians = nazis —> denazify Ukraine
i.e. eliminate everything Ukrainian, including people, language, culture, leaders, history, everything.

Replace “nazi” in the article with Ukrainian or tutsi or Bosnian or jewish and the whole horror of what is written becomes crystal clear.

+1 And Russia is three times as antisemitic as Ukraine.

[Anonymous]

Not a genocide right?