Swanson?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
NP. The ship to getting him into a better placement before police involvement is needed is way past. Taser = need for police involvement.
I am concerned for this child; but, sorry, I am way more concerned for the safety of everyone else than I am about whether his life could be ruined if the police are called! And you know what? SOmetims calling the police HELPS. Police do not equal life ruined for all eternity. Good grief!

Not "fair" to the other kids?!?! How can they learn if they don't feel safe??? You'r concerned about them being able to learn while this death threat of a classmate is on the loose? People should be concerned about the actual safety of these children - not about their loss of learning or whether they FEEL safe!

It's this inappropriately calm and dismissive attitude that allows the problem to perpetuate in the first place. Ask Loudoun County parents how they "feel" about the sexual offender student being given a different placement.

1,000% agree. This individual is a known threat and should be treated as such. Hopefully as a human being he gets the help he needs, but he also needs to be handled as a danger to those in that building.

Maybe we should call the police on kids that actually punch other kids as well. Where do you want to draw the line? All you SJWs wanted Resource Officers out of the schools and now you want to call the police on children for what may not even be a crime. Let the school handle this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
NP. The ship to getting him into a better placement before police involvement is needed is way past. Taser = need for police involvement.
I am concerned for this child; but, sorry, I am way more concerned for the safety of everyone else than I am about whether his life could be ruined if the police are called! And you know what? SOmetims calling the police HELPS. Police do not equal life ruined for all eternity. Good grief!

Not "fair" to the other kids?!?! How can they learn if they don't feel safe??? You'r concerned about them being able to learn while this death threat of a classmate is on the loose? People should be concerned about the actual safety of these children - not about their loss of learning or whether they FEEL safe!

It's this inappropriately calm and dismissive attitude that allows the problem to perpetuate in the first place. Ask Loudoun County parents how they "feel" about the sexual offender student being given a different placement.

1,000% agree. This individual is a known threat and should be treated as such. Hopefully as a human being he gets the help he needs, but he also needs to be handled as a danger to those in that building.

Maybe we should call the police on kids that actually punch other kids as well. Where do you want to draw the line? All you SJWs wanted Resource Officers out of the schools and now you want to call the police on children for what may not even be a crime. Let the school handle this.

Bringing a taser to school is a crime. It is a stun weapon and illegal to have on school property in Virginia. See Va Code § 18.2-308.1

The police should have been called and the kid should have been charged with a Class 1 misdemeanor.

[Anonymous]

Whoa. The school is supposed to call the APS central office BEFORE calling the police? I really hope I'm interpreting that incorrectly in the AEM post. Is that just for this particular circumstance or any potential threat? Because if it is for any threat – is that the same policy in place at all APS schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
NP. The ship to getting him into a better placement before police involvement is needed is way past. Taser = need for police involvement.
I am concerned for this child; but, sorry, I am way more concerned for the safety of everyone else than I am about whether his life could be ruined if the police are called! And you know what? SOmetims calling the police HELPS. Police do not equal life ruined for all eternity. Good grief!

Not "fair" to the other kids?!?! How can they learn if they don't feel safe??? You'r concerned about them being able to learn while this death threat of a classmate is on the loose? People should be concerned about the actual safety of these children - not about their loss of learning or whether they FEEL safe!

It's this inappropriately calm and dismissive attitude that allows the problem to perpetuate in the first place. Ask Loudoun County parents how they "feel" about the sexual offender student being given a different placement.

1,000% agree. This individual is a known threat and should be treated as such. Hopefully as a human being he gets the help he needs, but he also needs to be handled as a danger to those in that building.

Maybe we should call the police on kids that actually punch other kids as well. Where do you want to draw the line? All you SJWs wanted Resource Officers out of the schools and now you want to call the police on children for what may not even be a crime. Let the school handle this.

Bringing a taser to school is a crime. It is a stun weapon and illegal to have on school property in Virginia. See Va Code § 18.2-308.1

The police should have been called and the kid should have been charged with a Class 1 misdemeanor.

Underage drinking and assault are crimes, but we don't call the cops. What if the stun gun didn't have a battery? What if it grabbed his mom's backpack by mistake that morning? Let the school handle it. They know when law enforcement should be called. And for all of those that point to Loudoun - the cops were called, it's just that the parents were not informed that was the coverup.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
NP. The ship to getting him into a better placement before police involvement is needed is way past. Taser = need for police involvement.
I am concerned for this child; but, sorry, I am way more concerned for the safety of everyone else than I am about whether his life could be ruined if the police are called! And you know what? SOmetims calling the police HELPS. Police do not equal life ruined for all eternity. Good grief!

Not "fair" to the other kids?!?! How can they learn if they don't feel safe??? You'r concerned about them being able to learn while this death threat of a classmate is on the loose? People should be concerned about the actual safety of these children - not about their loss of learning or whether they FEEL safe!

It's this inappropriately calm and dismissive attitude that allows the problem to perpetuate in the first place. Ask Loudoun County parents how they "feel" about the sexual offender student being given a different placement.

1,000% agree. This individual is a known threat and should be treated as such. Hopefully as a human being he gets the help he needs, but he also needs to be handled as a danger to those in that building.

Maybe we should call the police on kids that actually punch other kids as well. Where do you want to draw the line? All you SJWs wanted Resource Officers out of the schools and now you want to call the police on children for what may not even be a crime. Let the school handle this.

I'm what people would call a SJW - or at least used to...maybe the definition has changed in the past few years; but I did NOT want SROs out of schools. Maybe some changes to the system would be good; but I think there is a good, positive role for SROs in the schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whoa. The school is supposed to call the APS central office BEFORE calling the police? I really hope I'm interpreting that incorrectly in the AEM post. Is that just for this particular circumstance or any potential threat? Because if it is for any threat – is that the same policy in place at all APS schools?

That cannot possibly be true, right? The principal had it wrong? I can’t fathom how that’s the first call she has been directed to make.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Swanson isn't alone, there's been other bad incidents at other middle schools. The difference is that a very vocal parent clearly has a connection to Fox News and is often quoted in the Fox articles. We are Swanson parents and very concerned, but the news articles are focused on Swanson because parent(s) are drawing media attention to it.

The bathroom stuff going on is stupid but isn't going to result in kids getting killed. The 7th grader who brought the taser should concern everyone. That child has already been suspended this year multiple times for threatening other students, including telling students that he is going to get a weapon and shoot the school. This is not a secret in the 7th grade. I am worried that all the noise about the Swanson bathroom situation and the kid getting punched in gym class is drawing attention away from what is going on with this one particular child in 7th grade. He is freaking kids and teachers out, but the principal and APS administration don't seem to be taking it seriously. I think APS is downplaying the situation because they don't want to reopen the SRO debate. This kid should not be in school though. He's supposedly suspended through spring break, but the 7th graders are worried about what he might do when he comes back and whether he will get access to a real gun over the next two weeks.

I feel like this is the case with every school shooter...you hear the school and community knew about this for months prior. After the fact, it's 'WHY?'. I mean the last kid was drawing pictures of a gun and showing it to people. This isn't that far off.

The apologist have lost their damn minds. The same people that didn't want our kids to learn anything new for 1.5 years so everyone could sink to the lowest common denominator and wanted to keep everyone virtual (because there was no loss of learning there ). Schools are seeing an uptick in antisocial and aggressive behavior because many households involved neglect or abuse of these kids during the 'virtual year' of Covid. Many homes had no supervision and behavior ran amok and kids were on tik tok and snapchat and surfing stuff well beyond their years...while they had their cameras turned off because they weren't even required to keep them on.

Regression in behavior and school was real. I do think of all the sound bites, stories and news clips about the school shooters, so much like this that just kept getting ignored and writing it off as just 'kid stuff'.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
NP. The ship to getting him into a better placement before police involvement is needed is way past. Taser = need for police involvement.
I am concerned for this child; but, sorry, I am way more concerned for the safety of everyone else than I am about whether his life could be ruined if the police are called! And you know what? SOmetims calling the police HELPS. Police do not equal life ruined for all eternity. Good grief!

Not "fair" to the other kids?!?! How can they learn if they don't feel safe??? You'r concerned about them being able to learn while this death threat of a classmate is on the loose? People should be concerned about the actual safety of these children - not about their loss of learning or whether they FEEL safe!

It's this inappropriately calm and dismissive attitude that allows the problem to perpetuate in the first place. Ask Loudoun County parents how they "feel" about the sexual offender student being given a different placement.

1,000% agree. This individual is a known threat and should be treated as such. Hopefully as a human being he gets the help he needs, but he also needs to be handled as a danger to those in that building.

Maybe we should call the police on kids that actually punch other kids as well. Where do you want to draw the line? All you SJWs wanted Resource Officers out of the schools and now you want to call the police on children for what may not even be a crime. Let the school handle this.

Bringing a taser to school is a crime. It is a stun weapon and illegal to have on school property in Virginia. See Va Code § 18.2-308.1

The police should have been called and the kid should have been charged with a Class 1 misdemeanor.

Underage drinking and assault are crimes, but we don't call the cops. What if the stun gun didn't have a battery? What if it grabbed his mom's backpack by mistake that morning? Let the school handle it. They know when law enforcement should be called. And for all of those that point to Loudoun - the cops were called, it's just that the parents were not informed that was the coverup.

In my neighborhood, yes, people do. There are drunk fights on lawns and assaults by underage kids leaving the bars or drinking outside.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
NP. The ship to getting him into a better placement before police involvement is needed is way past. Taser = need for police involvement.
I am concerned for this child; but, sorry, I am way more concerned for the safety of everyone else than I am about whether his life could be ruined if the police are called! And you know what? SOmetims calling the police HELPS. Police do not equal life ruined for all eternity. Good grief!

Not "fair" to the other kids?!?! How can they learn if they don't feel safe??? You'r concerned about them being able to learn while this death threat of a classmate is on the loose? People should be concerned about the actual safety of these children - not about their loss of learning or whether they FEEL safe!

It's this inappropriately calm and dismissive attitude that allows the problem to perpetuate in the first place. Ask Loudoun County parents how they "feel" about the sexual offender student being given a different placement.

1,000% agree. This individual is a known threat and should be treated as such. Hopefully as a human being he gets the help he needs, but he also needs to be handled as a danger to those in that building.

Maybe we should call the police on kids that actually punch other kids as well. Where do you want to draw the line? All you SJWs wanted Resource Officers out of the schools and now you want to call the police on children for what may not even be a crime. Let the school handle this.

Bringing a taser to school is a crime. It is a stun weapon and illegal to have on school property in Virginia. See Va Code § 18.2-308.1

The police should have been called and the kid should have been charged with a Class 1 misdemeanor.

AND he already made a threat against the school which he was previously in trouble for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
NP. The ship to getting him into a better placement before police involvement is needed is way past. Taser = need for police involvement.
I am concerned for this child; but, sorry, I am way more concerned for the safety of everyone else than I am about whether his life could be ruined if the police are called! And you know what? SOmetims calling the police HELPS. Police do not equal life ruined for all eternity. Good grief!

Not "fair" to the other kids?!?! How can they learn if they don't feel safe??? You'r concerned about them being able to learn while this death threat of a classmate is on the loose? People should be concerned about the actual safety of these children - not about their loss of learning or whether they FEEL safe!

It's this inappropriately calm and dismissive attitude that allows the problem to perpetuate in the first place. Ask Loudoun County parents how they "feel" about the sexual offender student being given a different placement.

1,000% agree. This individual is a known threat and should be treated as such. Hopefully as a human being he gets the help he needs, but he also needs to be handled as a danger to those in that building.

Maybe we should call the police on kids that actually punch other kids as well. Where do you want to draw the line? All you SJWs wanted Resource Officers out of the schools and now you want to call the police on children for what may not even be a crime. Let the school handle this.

Bringing a taser to school is a crime. It is a stun weapon and illegal to have on school property in Virginia. See Va Code § 18.2-308.1

The police should have been called and the kid should have been charged with a Class 1 misdemeanor.

Underage drinking and assault are crimes, but we don't call the cops. What if the stun gun didn't have a battery? What if it grabbed his mom's backpack by mistake that morning? Let the school handle it. They know when law enforcement should be called. And for all of those that point to Loudoun - the cops were called, it's just that the parents were not informed that was the coverup.

Are you kidding? This kid verbally threatened the school, then brought a taser. Who cares if there were no batteries!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The apologist have lost their damn minds. The same people that didn't want our kids to learn anything new for 1.5 years so everyone could sink to the lowest common denominator and wanted to keep everyone virtual (because there was no loss of learning there ). Schools are seeing an uptick in antisocial and aggressive behavior because many households involved neglect or abuse of these kids during the 'virtual year' of Covid. Many homes had no supervision and behavior ran amok and kids were on tik tok and snapchat and surfing stuff well beyond their years...while they had their cameras turned off because they weren't even required to keep them on.

Regression in behavior and school was real. I do think of all the sound bites, stories and news clips about the school shooters, so much like this that just kept getting ignored and writing it off as just 'kid stuff'.

No. Just no. Do not conflate groups of people because it fits your narrative. The kids I know who are basket cases and attend north Arlington middle schools are from well off families who wanted their kids in school, but in the interim handed over the whole internet on their iPhones, didn't keep an eye on online school and so on. They threw up their hands rather than parenting even harder. I also know families who wanted schools closed, and those who wanted schools open, who stayed very tuned into their kids.

I agree with you that apologists have lost their damn minds. If it's true that Central Office told the Swanson principal that she should be calling them rather than the police when an illegal weapon was found on campus, someone should lose their job. I'm about to join the FOIA-crazy parents looking for evidence of any communication asserting that as the appropriate course of action. If this kid is back in school on April 19th, you might also see parents calling the cops daily saying "there's a person on campus who has made threats against the school. Whether he's armed is unknown." APS doesn't want it known that cops have been called there 22 times already? Let's try daily for the rest of the year if this disturbed individual is returned to a general education environment.

[Anonymous]

You voted in the CA. She lives in your neighborhood- why not reach out to her?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The apologist have lost their damn minds. The same people that didn't want our kids to learn anything new for 1.5 years so everyone could sink to the lowest common denominator and wanted to keep everyone virtual (because there was no loss of learning there ). Schools are seeing an uptick in antisocial and aggressive behavior because many households involved neglect or abuse of these kids during the 'virtual year' of Covid. Many homes had no supervision and behavior ran amok and kids were on tik tok and snapchat and surfing stuff well beyond their years...while they had their cameras turned off because they weren't even required to keep them on.

Regression in behavior and school was real. I do think of all the sound bites, stories and news clips about the school shooters, so much like this that just kept getting ignored and writing it off as just 'kid stuff'.

No. Just no. Do not conflate groups of people because it fits your narrative. The kids I know who are basket cases and attend north Arlington middle schools are from well off families who wanted their kids in school, but in the interim handed over the whole internet on their iPhones, didn't keep an eye on online school and so on. They threw up their hands rather than parenting even harder. I also know families who wanted schools closed, and those who wanted schools open, who stayed very tuned into their kids.

I agree with you that apologists have lost their damn minds. If it's true that Central Office told the Swanson principal that she should be calling them rather than the police when an illegal weapon was found on campus, someone should lose their job. I'm about to join the FOIA-crazy parents looking for evidence of any communication asserting that as the appropriate course of action. If this kid is back in school on April 19th, you might also see parents calling the cops daily saying "there's a person on campus who has made threats against the school. Whether he's armed is unknown." APS doesn't want it known that cops have been called there 22 times already? Let's try daily for the rest of the year if this disturbed individual is returned to a general education environment.

We talked to our 7th grader about this yesterday. Presumably there is nothing to stop the kids from calling 9-1-1 if this kids shows up again with a weapon. We told our kid to do that because we have no faith in APS calling the police now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Swanson isn't alone, there's been other bad incidents at other middle schools. The difference is that a very vocal parent clearly has a connection to Fox News and is often quoted in the Fox articles. We are Swanson parents and very concerned, but the news articles are focused on Swanson because parent(s) are drawing media attention to it.

The bathroom stuff going on is stupid but isn't going to result in kids getting killed. The 7th grader who brought the taser should concern everyone. That child has already been suspended this year multiple times for threatening other students, including telling students that he is going to get a weapon and shoot the school. This is not a secret in the 7th grade. I am worried that all the noise about the Swanson bathroom situation and the kid getting punched in gym class is drawing attention away from what is going on with this one particular child in 7th grade. He is freaking kids and teachers out, but the principal and APS administration don't seem to be taking it seriously. I think APS is downplaying the situation because they don't want to reopen the SRO debate. This kid should not be in school though. He's supposedly suspended through spring break, but the 7th graders are worried about what he might do when he comes back and whether he will get access to a real gun over the next two weeks.

What is the right response here? If they expel him he could escalate; at this point he hasn't done anything serious enough to warrant arrest (unless the taser thing is still going to trial?). Have the parents been tracked down, they should be meeting with the sheriff regularly.

The taser thing isn't going to trial, because the Swanson principal didn't call the police when it happened. 7th grade parents reached out to Fox News about it, but that's the first time the police heard about it. The interim Swanson principal came out of retirement to take this job. She was the principal at Key Elementary for two decades before she retired. She's handling these middle school students like they are elementary students, and they are walking all over her. Just look at the PTA email that went out today. "We will continue to work with the students to help them manage their journey through the middle school years." Okay, but how about calling the cops when a student shows up with a weapon? She thinks she can get this all under control by talking to the kids and giving them candy when they visit her office.

When did the interim Swanson principal take over, and what were the circumstances under which the last principal left? My child will be attending Swanson next year and I'm trying to get up to speed on these concerning developments. I thought the parents on AEM said that the new Swanson principal didn't even know that this child had previously threatened the school (perhaps I misread) - how could this be possible?

[Anonymous]

Why isn't this menace separated from the school population?