If you had a bad sleeper but didn’t sleep train…
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Anonymous
It's hard to be dissuaded from something that: 1. Worked really well 2. Worked quickly 3. Made my child much less fussy 4. Greatly improved my mental health and my marriage 5. Research shows does not cause long term harms |
Anonymous
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OP here. Can all those who want to argue about sleep training please leave the thread? I posted the way I did specifically because I didn’t want this thread to get detailed with another tedious sleep training debate. There are SO many places you can go argue about that!
Please just post your experience if you didn’t sleep train. No advice please, just experience. Thank you. |
Anonymous
Yeah we get it - you are a selfish mom and won’t teach your child to sleep. |
Anonymous
Wow, you actually think you're helping people with this judgmental attitude based on what is widely recognized to be junk science? GTFOOH. |
Anonymous
+1 Good-quality sleep for lots of hours every day is essential to brain and other development. OP, if your baby is waking up "hysterical with exhaustion" then you are depriving him/her of precisely what s/he needs for development - it's as if you are feeding the baby McDonald's food or denying him/her the ability to roll over or crawl or whatever. You need sleep, but more importantly, your baby needs sleep. |
Anonymous
"Sleep training" is not a synonym for "CIO." See: Weissbluth. |
Anonymous
This. |
Anonymous
Yeah so I figured this might be the issue. I asked abovr because there are some key words that flagged for me My son also has CMPA and are you positive the formula works for him? If you are using hydrolyzed and not amino acid formula please know that alimentum doesn't work for some CMPA kids and dairy hides in everything. Almost every CMPA kid I know has issues sleeping. My son is just now 4 and we are doing the dairy ladder for the 3rd time. He failed at 16 months and 2.75 years old. We realized he had dairy issues when I supplemented with formula and he reacted awful. Tried alimentum and it was still awful. I restarted breastfeeding through pumping 10-12 a day to restart my supply at like 3/4 weeks old. I did it for 2.5 years and would still have slipups for things like medication- he would react to medications that used bovine protein as the growth culture. Some probiotics . Some items that were safe but then they changed the ingredients and it wasn't safr anymore. Dumb stuff like tortillas with milk or McDonald's french fries. And non dairy doesn't mean dairy free. Eating out was a minefield. People would think butter isn't dairy but eggs are. It was infuriating. |
Anonymous
LOL this is DCUM. This happens every time someone posts about sleep training. If you want compassionate responses you should try the BreakingMom Reddit. But here's my experience, since you asked. We did not do CIO, defined as letting a our child cry indefinitely, until 13 months. We were terrified of it. We did let her cry for 5 minutes around 4 months, and after that she was able to put herself to sleep. However, she never consistently slept through the night during that first year, and after we got into a bad habit of feeding her to sleep circa 9 months, things slowly went downhill, such that she was waking up every 1-2 hours by the time she was 12 months old. Maybe if we had waiting several more months, she would have learned to STTN by herself or at least stop waking up so often, but we were going insane. So my experience is it probably won't get better by itself anytime soon. What I have heard is generally around 2 years many children that weren't sleeping well before then do better. |
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Did not sleep train either of my kids. Nursed to sleep for naps and bedtime. Both mostly slept through the night by 8ish months old and then were solid sleepers through the toddler years. We always had a consistent bedtime routine though and still do. Both go to bed mostly easily and fall asleep quickly.
BUT. Both are highly anxious and one - the older - has been a night-waker since kindergarten. We have tried EVERY form of sleep intervention possible for a school age child to incentivize sleeping through the night in their own bed and it has. not. worked. So we have a 9 year old who for the past year arrives in the middle of the night and sleeps on a floor bed in our room. This after years of being up multiple times a night trying to get them to go back to sleep in their own bed. All of this to say - it's a long road. Make it through however you can! |
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OP, if sleep training won’t work for your child, you have to commit to doing something to help him sleep. If he’s wild with exhaustion, he needs help or medication or something. I’m a PP whose second child didn’t respond to sleep training, and my husband and I didn’t many nights sleeping while holding him in a chair! I spent several months sitting by his crib for an hour holding his hand til he fell asleep, even after he was able to sleep through the night. He finally starting falling asleep fast and staying asleep all night when we dropped his nap at 2.5.
To me, if you know you don’t want to CIO, just cosleep from the beginning. A lot of people who try to cosleep later either do it on nights where they are desperate bc their kid is having a particularly bad night, but it’s not going to work bc your kid is having a bad night that night. Or it’s such a novel thing that the kid can’t relax while cosleeping for the first couple nights. |
Anonymous
It's not about sleep training per se; it's about infants getting enough sleep (by whatever means). https://www.karger.com/Article/Fulltext/508055 Key Messages Sleep pattern changes dramatically in early childhood. Establishing a healthy sleep pattern in early life is very important for child development. Sleep plays a critical role in learning and memory, emotional regulation, and related brain structure development. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5440010/ Infant sleep is a particularly interesting field of research due to its dynamic trajectories, the developmental changes that occur during this period, and the interaction with other developmental domains. More specifically, we reviewed the association between infant sleep and cognition as well as physical growth. From the reviewed literature, we conclude that sleep plays a key role in those domains with its maturation paralleling, preceding, as well as resulting from interactions with cognitive and physical maturation. Exact mechanisms have not been the focus of this review and still remain to be understood; however, the maturation of central nervous system structures like the hypothalamus or the neurotransmitter system underlies both cognitive development and the regulation of sleep/wake cycles.84 https://www.childrenscolorado.org/conditions-and-advice/conditions-and-symptoms/conditions/sleep-deprivation/ |
Anonymous
DP but you have to stop with this “won’t teach your child” stuff. Yes, OP hasn’t even tried. But plenty of people do try very hard and it doesn’t work! If it worked for you, your child had the temperament for it. Bragging about sleep training is like saying “everyone should just teach their child to play violin at 2.” |
Anonymous
I'm not sure what any of this has to do with anything discussed above. |
Anonymous
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Our oldest started sleeping all night around 8-10mo by having my husband take him a bottle instead of me nursing him. Took a week.
My second kid didn’t sleep through the night until he was 2 1/2 years old. He’s a great sleeper now and has been since 2 1/2-3. He goes to sleep quickly and willingly and stays asleep all night. |