APS Bell schedule review

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh I do not want to go from a 9 a.m. start to 7:40!!! Then they get out extremely early. Not every elementary age kid wakes up at the crack of dawn. Ours don't.

I don't see how APS could possibly move all elementary schools to a time that is earlier than any of them currently start?!?

You realize 7:40 is the time middle school starts, correct? They could theoretically flip MS and ES start times. Numerous medical studies shows a later start time during puberty is better. It would eliminate the need for morning extended day resources. Yet parents don't want to wake a little kid up earlier? Get real.

All this soft science “middle schoolers shouldn’t be getting up so early but it’s fine for elementary and high school” is total bs. Earlier wake time, earlier bedtime. That’s it. How has our species survived if humans are really this delicate? Kids get up early all over the world. Suck it up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Elementary school earlier would eliminate the need for extended day in the morning.

But it could transfer this need to middle school. How many 6th graders can get themselves out of bed, breakfast, to a bus on time? These kids are young. If middle school starts later, they may need morning extended day as an option for working parents who have to be at work before 9am.

WELL this goes to my bigger complaint. ES should be K-6 and Middle 7-8. But that change isn't happening sadly

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Its really hard to get kids to go to sleep when it is still light outside, which is necessary if they're expected to be at school by 7:40am!

Our middle school kids do it just fine...

Many elementary kids are routinely dropped off that early for morning extended day.

Ours starts at 8 now. 7:45 is the normal drop off.

Your extended date is only for 45 minutes??

Yes, our school was an 8am start and morning extended day was essentially for 45 minutes. 7am-7:45am. We had to use it because I needed to drop off by 7:15am to get work on time. So sometimes my kid would only be in ext day for 10-20 minutes. But those were a crucial 10-20 minutes for my commute.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Its really hard to get kids to go to sleep when it is still light outside, which is necessary if they're expected to be at school by 7:40am!

Our middle school kids do it just fine...

Many elementary kids are routinely dropped off that early for morning extended day.

Ours starts at 8 now. 7:45 is the normal drop off.

Your extended date is only for 45 minutes??

Yes, our school was an 8am start and morning extended day was essentially for 45 minutes. 7am-7:45am. We had to use it because I needed to drop off by 7:15am to get work on time. So sometimes my kid would only be in ext day for 10-20 minutes. But those were a crucial 10-20 minutes for my commute.

Our 8 am start school doesn’t offer an extended day. Bus picks up my kid at 7:10.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Elementary school earlier would eliminate the need for extended day in the morning.

But it could transfer this need to middle school. How many 6th graders can get themselves out of bed, breakfast, to a bus on time? These kids are young. If middle school starts later, they may need morning extended day as an option for working parents who have to be at work before 9am.

There is no extended day, nor is there a need for middle school. They have a check in program after school. That would not make any kind of sense before school.

I realize right now that is the case. But if middle school starts at 9am, how many 11 year olds are doing the morning on their own while their parents go to work? In elementary (which starts at 9am) there is an early drop off option. I think 7th/8th graders might be ok, but that's a big shift for 6th graders with working parents.

I am not arguing a point, just bringing up information. I don't have a middle schooler yet, so I am not sure how I'd feel about leaving for work before they leave for school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t like that each option extends the total time for my HS student.

By 13 mins. Gee, what an impact in the grand scheme of things. Just goes to show someone at EPS will always find something to complain about.

Getting out later really messes things up for older kids who have jobs and activities after school. It does impact things for plenty of people, just not you. Just goes to show how someone will always find things to discredit other people's concerns.

13 minutes. Activities will be shifted due to an entire system of schools starting later. Every high school kid will be in the same situation. It's not as if they are shifting the day to an hour later.

One scenario doesn't have them getting out until 3:35. It's ridiculous!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our ES used to be an 8am start and moved to 9am this year. Kids got there at 740am for morning recess. From what I heard most teachers really miss the 8am start, so I don't think getting there was tough for them. Granted, I start work at 6am and pre covid we had people work in Loudon or WV that got there at 6am. They get off at 230pm, so it seemed worth it.

Anyway, all that to say. I generally really like early start. My kids were home by 3pm and had time to do HW or rest before sports. Now they pretty much come home and we are back out the door. They also had time to do after school enrichment, which we don't can't do because of sports conflicts.

However, if Congress really passes this bill to make DST standard the sun isn't going to rise until after the kids start school. That means ES age children are going to be walking to the bus in the dark, getting to school in the dark, and having morning recess in the dark. Since the playground is not lighted, I assume this will end morning recess.

I don't know I was really excited about the early start possibility and now I am not sure.

No, they won’t have morning recess in the dark. The earliest lunch time is 10:30. It won’t still be dark at 9:30 or 10 am. Schools with this bell schedule will adjust the whole day so that morning recess isn’t taking place in the dark. Unless you’re talking about how Claremont let’s the kids play before school. That’s unique to that one school and can’t be a reason the whole system doesn’t change. They can adjust.

Also, ES kids rarely walk alone to school, so they’d be safer walking accompanied by an adult than MS who currently have to walk alone to bus stops and school in the dark.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elementary school earlier would eliminate the need for extended day in the morning.

But it could transfer this need to middle school. How many 6th graders can get themselves out of bed, breakfast, to a bus on time? These kids are young. If middle school starts later, they may need morning extended day as an option for working parents who have to be at work before 9am.

WELL this goes to my bigger complaint. ES should be K-6 and Middle 7-8. But that change isn't happening sadly

You'd pretty much have to rebuild the schools to make that happen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our ES used to be an 8am start and moved to 9am this year. Kids got there at 740am for morning recess. From what I heard most teachers really miss the 8am start, so I don't think getting there was tough for them. Granted, I start work at 6am and pre covid we had people work in Loudon or WV that got there at 6am. They get off at 230pm, so it seemed worth it.

Anyway, all that to say. I generally really like early start. My kids were home by 3pm and had time to do HW or rest before sports. Now they pretty much come home and we are back out the door. They also had time to do after school enrichment, which we don't can't do because of sports conflicts.

However, if Congress really passes this bill to make DST standard the sun isn't going to rise until after the kids start school. That means ES age children are going to be walking to the bus in the dark, getting to school in the dark, and having morning recess in the dark. Since the playground is not lighted, I assume this will end morning recess.

I don't know I was really excited about the early start possibility and now I am not sure.

No, they won’t have morning recess in the dark. The earliest lunch time is 10:30. It won’t still be dark at 9:30 or 10 am. Schools with this bell schedule will adjust the whole day so that morning recess isn’t taking place in the dark. Unless you’re talking about how Claremont let’s the kids play before school. That’s unique to that one school and can’t be a reason the whole system doesn’t change. They can adjust.

Also, ES kids rarely walk alone to school, so they’d be safer walking accompanied by an adult than MS who currently have to walk alone to bus stops and school in the dark.

Yes, I was talking about Claremont although I think all schools should get morning recess. I wasn't saying the entire system doesn't have to change for it. It was just a concern I had. Goodness.

I am in favor of ES early starts as I said.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our ES used to be an 8am start and moved to 9am this year. Kids got there at 740am for morning recess. From what I heard most teachers really miss the 8am start, so I don't think getting there was tough for them. Granted, I start work at 6am and pre covid we had people work in Loudon or WV that got there at 6am. They get off at 230pm, so it seemed worth it.

Anyway, all that to say. I generally really like early start. My kids were home by 3pm and had time to do HW or rest before sports. Now they pretty much come home and we are back out the door. They also had time to do after school enrichment, which we don't can't do because of sports conflicts.

However, if Congress really passes this bill to make DST standard the sun isn't going to rise until after the kids start school. That means ES age children are going to be walking to the bus in the dark, getting to school in the dark, and having morning recess in the dark. Since the playground is not lighted, I assume this will end morning recess.

I don't know I was really excited about the early start possibility and now I am not sure.

No, they won’t have morning recess in the dark. The earliest lunch time is 10:30. It won’t still be dark at 9:30 or 10 am. Schools with this bell schedule will adjust the whole day so that morning recess isn’t taking place in the dark. Unless you’re talking about how Claremont let’s the kids play before school. That’s unique to that one school and can’t be a reason the whole system doesn’t change. They can adjust.

Also, ES kids rarely walk alone to school, so they’d be safer walking accompanied by an adult than MS who currently have to walk alone to bus stops and school in the dark.

I am assuming this is a Claremont family (HOLA!) because yes we do have morning recess BEFORE school. It used to start at 7:40 and now starts at 8:40. Kids love it, so many want to get to school early to enjoy the frolicking outside with their friends before school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elementary school earlier would eliminate the need for extended day in the morning.

But it could transfer this need to middle school. How many 6th graders can get themselves out of bed, breakfast, to a bus on time? These kids are young. If middle school starts later, they may need morning extended day as an option for working parents who have to be at work before 9am.

WELL this goes to my bigger complaint. ES should be K-6 and Middle 7-8. But that change isn't happening sadly

You'd pretty much have to rebuild the schools to make that happen.

Oh yeah I know, in my dreams only lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our ES used to be an 8am start and moved to 9am this year. Kids got there at 740am for morning recess. From what I heard most teachers really miss the 8am start, so I don't think getting there was tough for them. Granted, I start work at 6am and pre covid we had people work in Loudon or WV that got there at 6am. They get off at 230pm, so it seemed worth it.

Anyway, all that to say. I generally really like early start. My kids were home by 3pm and had time to do HW or rest before sports. Now they pretty much come home and we are back out the door. They also had time to do after school enrichment, which we don't can't do because of sports conflicts.

However, if Congress really passes this bill to make DST standard the sun isn't going to rise until after the kids start school. That means ES age children are going to be walking to the bus in the dark, getting to school in the dark, and having morning recess in the dark. Since the playground is not lighted, I assume this will end morning recess.

I don't know I was really excited about the early start possibility and now I am not sure.

No, they won’t have morning recess in the dark. The earliest lunch time is 10:30. It won’t still be dark at 9:30 or 10 am. Schools with this bell schedule will adjust the whole day so that morning recess isn’t taking place in the dark. Unless you’re talking about how Claremont let’s the kids play before school. That’s unique to that one school and can’t be a reason the whole system doesn’t change. They can adjust.

Also, ES kids rarely walk alone to school, so they’d be safer walking accompanied by an adult than MS who currently have to walk alone to bus stops and school in the dark.

Morning recess = recess at drop off before school starts. Definitely not unique to Claremont. Our APS ES does it too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our ES used to be an 8am start and moved to 9am this year. Kids got there at 740am for morning recess. From what I heard most teachers really miss the 8am start, so I don't think getting there was tough for them. Granted, I start work at 6am and pre covid we had people work in Loudon or WV that got there at 6am. They get off at 230pm, so it seemed worth it.

Anyway, all that to say. I generally really like early start. My kids were home by 3pm and had time to do HW or rest before sports. Now they pretty much come home and we are back out the door. They also had time to do after school enrichment, which we don't can't do because of sports conflicts.

However, if Congress really passes this bill to make DST standard the sun isn't going to rise until after the kids start school. That means ES age children are going to be walking to the bus in the dark, getting to school in the dark, and having morning recess in the dark. Since the playground is not lighted, I assume this will end morning recess.

I don't know I was really excited about the early start possibility and now I am not sure.

No, they won’t have morning recess in the dark. The earliest lunch time is 10:30. It won’t still be dark at 9:30 or 10 am. Schools with this bell schedule will adjust the whole day so that morning recess isn’t taking place in the dark. Unless you’re talking about how Claremont let’s the kids play before school. That’s unique to that one school and can’t be a reason the whole system doesn’t change. They can adjust.

Also, ES kids rarely walk alone to school, so they’d be safer walking accompanied by an adult than MS who currently have to walk alone to bus stops and school in the dark.

I am assuming this is a Claremont family (HOLA!) because yes we do have morning recess BEFORE school. It used to start at 7:40 and now starts at 8:40. Kids love it, so many want to get to school early to enjoy the frolicking outside with their friends before school.

At Key, it begins at 8:30 am. I would imagine other elementary schools have morning
recess too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our ES used to be an 8am start and moved to 9am this year. Kids got there at 740am for morning recess. From what I heard most teachers really miss the 8am start, so I don't think getting there was tough for them. Granted, I start work at 6am and pre covid we had people work in Loudon or WV that got there at 6am. They get off at 230pm, so it seemed worth it.

Anyway, all that to say. I generally really like early start. My kids were home by 3pm and had time to do HW or rest before sports. Now they pretty much come home and we are back out the door. They also had time to do after school enrichment, which we don't can't do because of sports conflicts.

However, if Congress really passes this bill to make DST standard the sun isn't going to rise until after the kids start school. That means ES age children are going to be walking to the bus in the dark, getting to school in the dark, and having morning recess in the dark. Since the playground is not lighted, I assume this will end morning recess.

I don't know I was really excited about the early start possibility and now I am not sure.

No, they won’t have morning recess in the dark. The earliest lunch time is 10:30. It won’t still be dark at 9:30 or 10 am. Schools with this bell schedule will adjust the whole day so that morning recess isn’t taking place in the dark. Unless you’re talking about how Claremont let’s the kids play before school. That’s unique to that one school and can’t be a reason the whole system doesn’t change. They can adjust.

Also, ES kids rarely walk alone to school, so they’d be safer walking accompanied by an adult than MS who currently have to walk alone to bus stops and school in the dark.

I am assuming this is a Claremont family (HOLA!) because yes we do have morning recess BEFORE school. It used to start at 7:40 and now starts at 8:40. Kids love it, so many want to get to school early to enjoy the frolicking outside with their friends before school.

At Key, it begins at 8:30 am. I would imagine other elementary schools have morning
recess too?

Our school starts at 9 but allows drop off beginning at 8:40. It's not a recess.

[Anonymous]

It seems like such a wasted effort. No one was asking for a change.

OTOH the community has asked for lots of other changes like reading instruction, something academic that would actually benefit students, and that is the slowest process ever