SRO lite coming back to MCPS as "Community Engagement Officer " CEOs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great post above. I've also been involved in the process, albeit I suspect from "the other side" and I agree that the failure to deliver any of the services/mitigations that were originally promised has been detrimental to schools and student safety.

If I were cynical, I'd say Elrich removed the SROs without providing any additional wraparound or non-police solutions intentionally, and knowing that a "falling off the clifff" version of removing SROs was going to lead to an increase in violence.

I want to call this part out, though, and emphasize the importance. "Keep it transparent. Tell me about the oversight and accountability mechanisms." My concern about having sworn officers in schools is that we know that accountabilty for police is almost nonexistent. A history of court deference to law enforcement, the strength of the police union, and a culture of covering up for bad cops all combine to create a toxic brew. It's like all the folks on this board complaining about "restorative justice" except the folks getting a hug and a cookie when they behave violently are 200 lb adults with guns.

So, if we see some accountability for CEOs above and beyond what we would normally see for cops, I think this model may survive.

Agree that the ^^PP post was great.. thoughtful, and really does see both sides.

I disagree with your last statement. A lot of kids are getting away with extremely bad behavior because of RJ, and MCPS just passes the troublesome kids around to different schools. If you look at the infographic, just in the four months of 2021 alone we have a history of violence in the schools -- weapons, assaults. FFS.. why are we putting up with this.

Not understanding what Elrich's end game was for allowing an increase in violence in our schools. You think he did that so that people would be clamoring for police to come back to school? eh.. not buying that. IMO, Elrich, like many other uber progressives, has too much of a kumbayah attitude, thinking all we need is RJ and a hug and all will be well.

Kids aren't perfect; admin and staff aren't perfect; cops aren't perfect. So, we put guardrails in place, and MoCo and MCPS will definitely be putting the CEOs on the hotseat/spotlight and disecting every incident that involves the CEO.

The ^^PP had it right.. the majority of kids being victimized by the violence are black and brown. They more than any other group need to be protected from the violence in our schools. Staff can't do it alone; Elrich can't do it; RJ isn't cutting it.

Well well well

[Anonymous]

This is from 2022.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is the worst form of compromise because it doesn't address either sides point. It's a lose- lose.

The group who worries SROs hassle POC disproportionately still have the police presence, just less often and-in fact- less able to make connections with the students.

The group who worries there isn't enough deterrent to violence has sporadic police presence and no deterrence since kids have no visual clue that the police are there without the uniforms. They too lose the day to day ability for SROs to form connections and get a feel for what's going on in the school.

Lose lose. The board of Ed is a huge disappointment on this.

Huh, some sentiments don't change

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is from 2022.

And a lotta good info for those who forgot or weren't in the know when changes were being made.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Repeat delinquents need to be removed from the school. There are a handful of kids at my dd's school that are always causing trouble.
take these kids and educate them elsewhere. plenty of empty former school buildings to set this up.

Same thoughts as now different year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure what involvement throughout the entire cluster entails but I think it's a great idea if done right. Assuming it means that the CEOs will make frequent visits to the EMs and MSs, it will help the elementary and middle school students build trust as they advance through the cluster. And will allow the CEOs to identify those who may need additional help early on.

"If done right." Do your kids know their cluster's CEO? 25 or 26 of them in mcps

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about we need to force parents to attend school with their kids when their kids are having behavior problems to let the parents deal with it?

Deflection to "its the parents fault and therefore it'd the parents responsibility " is immature and unhelpful.

The fault may be "patenting " but the fault may also be genetic psychiatric disorder, poverty. Ignorance etc. The fault is absolutely irrelevant.

The impact is crucial. The impact of violent students effects all other students and staffing. Mitigation of that impact is squarely and undeniably the responsibility of the Board of Education including McKnight and Wolff

This is ironic that after all the "equity" discussions to remove police from schools, they're now back in again part-time? My guess is Wolff must be especially pissed.

It's a stupid model anyway since there is no guarantee that the CEO will just happen to be on-site exactly when something happens, or they will get into trouble if something does happen and someone asks "where was the CEO?" I can't imagine the police would want to be placed in this position, so unless it's rammed down their throats, I can't see them enjoying this model.

This also means that they will need to re-negotiate the SRO MOU with all the police departments all over again? A Community Engagement Officer wouldn't be covered under the current police agreement.

Also, are CEO's spending equal time at all schools, or are they "focused" on Title I's? If the latter, again the open themselves up to criticism that it's race-biased.

I see this as yet another failed policy in the making.

That is precisely what folks are asking on the Wootton incident thread

[Anonymous]

Are people reading the other Wootton thread? Holy shit?
Police say Wootton CEO was at Lakewood.
Lakewood principal says he was never at Lakewood?

What’s the point of SRO or CEO or anyone if we can’t even figure out where they are?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are people reading the other Wootton thread? Holy shit?
Police say Wootton CEO was at Lakewood.
Lakewood principal says he was never at Lakewood?

What’s the point of SRO or CEO or anyone if we can’t even figure out where they are?

This thread from 2022 discussed many of what posters on that Wootton thread are asking now (4 years later)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are people reading the other Wootton thread? Holy shit?
Police say Wootton CEO was at Lakewood.
Lakewood principal says he was never at Lakewood?

What’s the point of SRO or CEO or anyone if we can’t even figure out where they are?

He said....she said

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are people reading the other Wootton thread? Holy shit?
Police say Wootton CEO was at Lakewood.
Lakewood principal says he was never at Lakewood?

What’s the point of SRO or CEO or anyone if we can’t even figure out where they are?

This thread from 2022 discussed many of what posters on that Wootton thread are asking now (4 years later)

I know! Unbelievable. People four years ago predicted this.

I don’t think even if the CEO was right outside, he could’ve prevented this. Maybe he could have apprehended the suspect faster. But the fact there is inconsistencies about where the CEO even was is mindblowing to me. I can’t believe what I’m reading.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are people reading the other Wootton thread? Holy shit?
Police say Wootton CEO was at Lakewood.
Lakewood principal says he was never at Lakewood?

What’s the point of SRO or CEO or anyone if we can’t even figure out where they are?

He said....she said

No this isn’t a he said she said.
This is from “official sources.”

Police Chief West said CEO was at Lakewood.
Lakewood principal said no he was not.

These are not made up stories fueled by rumors.

When your officials are telling you different things about something this critical, we have an accountability issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are people reading the other Wootton thread? Holy shit?
Police say Wootton CEO was at Lakewood.
Lakewood principal says he was never at Lakewood?

What’s the point of SRO or CEO or anyone if we can’t even figure out where they are?

He said....she said

No this isn’t a he said she said.
This is from “official sources.”

Police Chief West said CEO was at Lakewood.
Lakewood principal said no he was not.

These are not made up stories fueled by rumors.

When your officials are telling you different things about something this critical, we have an accountability issue.

How MANY CEOs are actually in MCPS? And does Wootton have more than one CEO and does that other CEO work under City of Rockville ? Did they not know which of the two CEOs (if there are two) were to report to Wootton?

[Anonymous]

Can't they increase the number of CEOs? One for each of the 211 schools? If one needs to "attend matters" of another school in the same cluster, one of the other cluster CEOs can step in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Eeery.... the similar school safety threads start around same day each year

Does it coincide with area private schools' applying deadline or deciding deadlines ?