Does graduating from a Top 20 school signal that you are a smart, hardworking person?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, your premise is that only the students at a handful of schools are smart and hardworking, and that no students at those same schools are coasting on something other than smarts and hard work?

Hmmm.

The reality is that generally, employers love middle class kids from state schools who achieve at those schools because they have something to prove and a long way to go to get where they want to be, so they work the hardest.

Employers want connected kids for their connections, not their work ethic.

Um, no one asserted that as the premise. the only premise is that getting in and then doing well at a top school is a pretty good signal of "Smart and hardworking." Of course it is. Doesn't necessarily translate to best candidate for a job, nor suggest that such candidate is more smart and hardworking than kid who graduated top in his class at a lower ranked school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, your premise is that only the students at a handful of schools are smart and hardworking, and that no students at those same schools are coasting on something other than smarts and hard work?

Hmmm.

The reality is that generally, employers love middle class kids from state schools who achieve at those schools because they have something to prove and a long way to go to get where they want to be, so they work the hardest.

Employers want connected kids for their connections, not their work ethic.

DP. This is not the case for prestige-oriented firms (i.e. consulting, finance) that do keep an eye on pedigree. I know a few high-paying firms that will very bluntly give a premium to grads from the Ivies, Stanford, Northwestern, Duke, and Chicago. Sometimes not even MIT makes the cut because they're seen as too nerdy. I am not saying I agree with this, but that reality does exist in some fields.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this signaling still valid today, if it ever was to employers, future life partners etc, or has it been severely diluted because of how these elite colleges admit their undergraduate classes today

I think that the T20 admissions system, at least, is so strange and chaotic that maybe graduating from a T20 will soon be a sign of anxiety, depression, narcissistic personality disorder or other personality disorder.

How can kids who started nonprofits at the age of 12 just to get into Harvard grow up to be friendly, mentally healthy people?

And I think that the kids who have the kinds of national honors, international honors and published papers that appeal to the T20 schools have been groomed to be abused.

Jeffrey Epstein had a close relationship with MIT. He groomed girls to be prostitutes.

I don't think that's a coincidence.

When MIT is saying, "We want applicants to come in with published research papers, or international science competition awards," that's a way of saying, "You have to have to have an insanely, dangerously close relationship with a coach, faculty advisor or other plugged-in adult. You have to say yes to every request that adult makes, because, otherwise, how will you get the support you need to do research in a real lab, publish a paper, or travel overseas to participate in an international competition? You better be a good student geisha and like it, or stick with your state university's honors program. Don't try applying to us if you just have so so extracurriculars because you refused to sleep with your mentor or put up with your mentor's constant verbal abuse."

So, MIT is just an institutional version of Jeffrey Epstein.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this signaling still valid today, if it ever was to employers, future life partners etc, or has it been severely diluted because of how these elite colleges admit their undergraduate classes today

I think that the T20 admissions system, at least, is so strange and chaotic that maybe graduating from a T20 will soon be a sign of anxiety, depression, narcissistic personality disorder or other personality disorder.

How can kids who started nonprofits at the age of 12 just to get into Harvard grow up to be friendly, mentally healthy people?

And I think that the kids who have the kinds of national honors, international honors and published papers that appeal to the T20 schools have been groomed to be abused.

Jeffrey Epstein had a close relationship with MIT. He groomed girls to be prostitutes.

I don't think that's a coincidence.

When MIT is saying, "We want applicants to come in with published research papers, or international science competition awards," that's a way of saying, "You have to have to have an insanely, dangerously close relationship with a coach, faculty advisor or other plugged-in adult. You have to say yes to every request that adult makes, because, otherwise, how will you get the support you need to do research in a real lab, publish a paper, or travel overseas to participate in an international competition? You better be a good student geisha and like it, or stick with your state university's honors program. Don't try applying to us if you just have so so extracurriculars because you refused to sleep with your mentor or put up with your mentor's constant verbal abuse."

So, MIT is just an institutional version of Jeffrey Epstein.

Wow, that's some serious cynicism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this signaling still valid today, if it ever was to employers, future life partners etc, or has it been severely diluted because of how these elite colleges admit their undergraduate classes today

I think that the T20 admissions system, at least, is so strange and chaotic that maybe graduating from a T20 will soon be a sign of anxiety, depression, narcissistic personality disorder or other personality disorder.

How can kids who started nonprofits at the age of 12 just to get into Harvard grow up to be friendly, mentally healthy people?

And I think that the kids who have the kinds of national honors, international honors and published papers that appeal to the T20 schools have been groomed to be abused.

Jeffrey Epstein had a close relationship with MIT. He groomed girls to be prostitutes.

I don't think that's a coincidence.

When MIT is saying, "We want applicants to come in with published research papers, or international science competition awards," that's a way of saying, "You have to have to have an insanely, dangerously close relationship with a coach, faculty advisor or other plugged-in adult. You have to say yes to every request that adult makes, because, otherwise, how will you get the support you need to do research in a real lab, publish a paper, or travel overseas to participate in an international competition? You better be a good student geisha and like it, or stick with your state university's honors program. Don't try applying to us if you just have so so extracurriculars because you refused to sleep with your mentor or put up with your mentor's constant verbal abuse."

So, MIT is just an institutional version of Jeffrey Epstein.

Yes, a research in high school? yea right.

However my daughter was very normal and never pushed.
Got in #19 school. Fully charged for a new life in college unlike many burned out and stressed kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this signaling still valid today, if it ever was to employers, future life partners etc, or has it been severely diluted because of how these elite colleges admit their undergraduate classes today

I think that the T20 admissions system, at least, is so strange and chaotic that maybe graduating from a T20 will soon be a sign of anxiety, depression, narcissistic personality disorder or other personality disorder.

How can kids who started nonprofits at the age of 12 just to get into Harvard grow up to be friendly, mentally healthy people?

And I think that the kids who have the kinds of national honors, international honors and published papers that appeal to the T20 schools have been groomed to be abused.

Jeffrey Epstein had a close relationship with MIT. He groomed girls to be prostitutes.

I don't think that's a coincidence.

When MIT is saying, "We want applicants to come in with published research papers, or international science competition awards," that's a way of saying, "You have to have to have an insanely, dangerously close relationship with a coach, faculty advisor or other plugged-in adult. You have to say yes to every request that adult makes, because, otherwise, how will you get the support you need to do research in a real lab, publish a paper, or travel overseas to participate in an international competition? You better be a good student geisha and like it, or stick with your state university's honors program. Don't try applying to us if you just have so so extracurriculars because you refused to sleep with your mentor or put up with your mentor's constant verbal abuse."

So, MIT is just an institutional version of Jeffrey Epstein.

Yes, a research in high school? yea right.

However my daughter was very normal and never pushed.
Got in #19 school. Fully charged for a new life in college unlike many burned out and stressed kids.

Sounds like sour grape from someone who raised some talentless and stressed kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just because someone is smart and good at "school" does not necessarily mean that they will be good fit or asset in the workplace environment - and employers know and understand this. The idea that a degree will give you a leg up only holds if there is presence of another skill, personality trait or experience to suggest an applicant will thrive in the work environment.

And what makes you think smart kids don't have those?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this signaling still valid today, if it ever was to employers, future life partners etc, or has it been severely diluted because of how these elite colleges admit their undergraduate classes today

I think that the T20 admissions system, at least, is so strange and chaotic that maybe graduating from a T20 will soon be a sign of anxiety, depression, narcissistic personality disorder or other personality disorder.

How can kids who started nonprofits at the age of 12 just to get into Harvard grow up to be friendly, mentally healthy people?

And I think that the kids who have the kinds of national honors, international honors and published papers that appeal to the T20 schools have been groomed to be abused.

Jeffrey Epstein had a close relationship with MIT. He groomed girls to be prostitutes.

I don't think that's a coincidence.

When MIT is saying, "We want applicants to come in with published research papers, or international science competition awards," that's a way of saying, "You have to have to have an insanely, dangerously close relationship with a coach, faculty advisor or other plugged-in adult. You have to say yes to every request that adult makes, because, otherwise, how will you get the support you need to do research in a real lab, publish a paper, or travel overseas to participate in an international competition? You better be a good student geisha and like it, or stick with your state university's honors program. Don't try applying to us if you just have so so extracurriculars because you refused to sleep with your mentor or put up with your mentor's constant verbal abuse."

So, MIT is just an institutional version of Jeffrey Epstein.

Yes, a research in high school? yea right.

However my daughter was very normal and never pushed.
Got in #19 school. Fully charged for a new life in college unlike many burned out and stressed kids.

Yes. Just because your talentless kids couldn't do it, doesn't mean others are cheating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this signaling still valid today, if it ever was to employers, future life partners etc, or has it been severely diluted because of how these elite colleges admit their undergraduate classes today

I think that the T20 admissions system, at least, is so strange and chaotic that maybe graduating from a T20 will soon be a sign of anxiety, depression, narcissistic personality disorder or other personality disorder.

How can kids who started nonprofits at the age of 12 just to get into Harvard grow up to be friendly, mentally healthy people?

And I think that the kids who have the kinds of national honors, international honors and published papers that appeal to the T20 schools have been groomed to be abused.

Jeffrey Epstein had a close relationship with MIT. He groomed girls to be prostitutes.

I don't think that's a coincidence.

When MIT is saying, "We want applicants to come in with published research papers, or international science competition awards," that's a way of saying, "You have to have to have an insanely, dangerously close relationship with a coach, faculty advisor or other plugged-in adult. You have to say yes to every request that adult makes, because, otherwise, how will you get the support you need to do research in a real lab, publish a paper, or travel overseas to participate in an international competition? You better be a good student geisha and like it, or stick with your state university's honors program. Don't try applying to us if you just have so so extracurriculars because you refused to sleep with your mentor or put up with your mentor's constant verbal abuse."

So, MIT is just an institutional version of Jeffrey Epstein.

Yes, a research in high school? yea right.

However my daughter was very normal and never pushed.
Got in #19 school. Fully charged for a new life in college unlike many burned out and stressed kids.

Yes. Just because your talentless kids couldn't do it, doesn't mean others are cheating.

What talent? talen in scamming lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Only if you are white/Asians… people would think that you are reasonably smart. For URMs, not necessarily. This is the downside of current admission practice.

After the college admission scandal… what you wrote makes no sense.

And white people need to stop grouping themselves with Asians. It’s hilarious and pathetic.

[Anonymous]

"The reality is that generally, employers love middle class kids from state schools who achieve at those schools because they have something to prove and a long way to go to get where they want to be, so they work the hardest."

If this were true, they'd be tripping over themselves for First Gen kids who go to the HYSMs. THESE are the people who work the hardest. To go from picking crops in the field to help your family pay the bills to a late night of studying for your AP English Comp class the next day should impress every employer. But alas, racism keeps them from seeing past their biases.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"The reality is that generally, employers love middle class kids from state schools who achieve at those schools because they have something to prove and a long way to go to get where they want to be, so they work the hardest."

If this were true, they'd be tripping over themselves for First Gen kids who go to the HYSMs. THESE are the people who work the hardest. To go from picking crops in the field to help your family pay the bills to a late night of studying for your AP English Comp class the next day should impress every employer. But alas, racism keeps them from seeing past their biases.

As long as affirmative action is in place, those biases will exist.

And let’s be perfectly honest, the situation you describe is so far removed from reality and is relevant to an extremely tiny percentage of URMs at HYPS. I know more Asian immigrant families for whom that scenario fits to a T. I’m from NYC. There are hordes of Asian families (who, btw, make up the lowest income group in the city, yes, lower than Blacks and Latinos) whose kids studied relentlessly and worked odd jobs to help pay the bills all through high school and then got shafted by AA. But sob stories are just that. Sob stories. So cut it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"The reality is that generally, employers love middle class kids from state schools who achieve at those schools because they have something to prove and a long way to go to get where they want to be, so they work the hardest."

If this were true, they'd be tripping over themselves for First Gen kids who go to the HYSMs. THESE are the people who work the hardest. To go from picking crops in the field to help your family pay the bills to a late night of studying for your AP English Comp class the next day should impress every employer. But alas, racism keeps them from seeing past their biases.

That's pretty funny, because I know a guy who literally went from picking crops in the field and AP classes to an Ivy education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"The reality is that generally, employers love middle class kids from state schools who achieve at those schools because they have something to prove and a long way to go to get where they want to be, so they work the hardest."

What employers??

Here are preferences from the biggest and finest consulting and finance employers.

https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/consulting-target-schools

https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/ib-target-schools

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking

[Anonymous]

Yes, definitely. Graduating from a top 20 school signals you are smart and hardworking.