Summer swim if work in office

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

Yes - but they don't coach every evening shift. Usually they agree to each work one evening shift a week. The cost is not an issue because we are getting pool membership fees and swim team revenues that cover it.

Wait. Pool membership fees go to the swim team? They are not separate financial groups? If the pool was helping to pay then it would be easier to have practice during the evening. I would not mind having evening practices (a lane or two) for our younger swimmers 8&U with some in water coaching. Our issues is we have way too many swimmers. So we have issues with not enough lanes (even in morning practice).

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

I wanted to ask the same thing. Coaches would be working 4-5 hours in the morning before the pool opens and then come back and work 5 to 8 pm? We have two head coaches and six lane coaches in the morning. I can't imagine being able to afford an evening cadre as well without doubling our fees. Even as it stands now we have to do a LOT of fundraising to pay our coaches.

It's not 5-8pm. It's one hour in the evenings - typically 3 nights a week - so yes, it is fewer days for the evening only group once school is out.

How many lanes do you have? I am the poster who has a very large team (175). We are already unwieldly.

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

Yeah. I can’t imagine a coach wanting to take this on. Morning and evening practice every weekday? Then weekend meets? It sounds like they would need to hire extra people and it wouldn’t be cost effective except for the largest of teams.

I think working parents need to let some stuff go. There’s so much FOMO that you’re trying to make something intended to fill unused morning pool time into an evening activity. Accept that you can’t participate in every activity that SAH can facilitate and move on. Find a camp with daily swimming. It’s the same thing.

Nope - for those who are interested - just think outside the box. I found a few local pools who already had evening programs - and I called them to find out how they got it to work. Their pools reps were so helpful to me. I had a CAN DO attitude and I showed our pool how if these other pools can do it - we can do it too. And like I said - I do a lot of the volunteer work, and I enlist other parents who want their kids in the program to help as well.

Are you coaching/running the practices in the evening? I am confused about what the parents have to do with it.

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

Yeah. I can’t imagine a coach wanting to take this on. Morning and evening practice every weekday? Then weekend meets? It sounds like they would need to hire extra people and it wouldn’t be cost effective except for the largest of teams.

I think working parents need to let some stuff go. There’s so much FOMO that you’re trying to make something intended to fill unused morning pool time into an evening activity. Accept that you can’t participate in every activity that SAH can facilitate and move on. Find a camp with daily swimming. It’s the same thing.

Nope - for those who are interested - just think outside the box. I found a few local pools who already had evening programs - and I called them to find out how they got it to work. Their pools reps were so helpful to me. I had a CAN DO attitude and I showed our pool how if these other pools can do it - we can do it too. And like I said - I do a lot of the volunteer work, and I enlist other parents who want their kids in the program to help as well.

Are you coaching/running the practices in the evening? I am confused about what the parents have to do with it.

They want parents to nag the team reps and pool boards so that the pool can rearrange how it operates to accommodate them. Our team is large and takes up our lap pool and often a few lanes of our larger pool for practice. Having those unavailable in the evening would be a non-starter for other pool members

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

I wanted to ask the same thing. Coaches would be working 4-5 hours in the morning before the pool opens and then come back and work 5 to 8 pm? We have two head coaches and six lane coaches in the morning. I can't imagine being able to afford an evening cadre as well without doubling our fees. Even as it stands now we have to do a LOT of fundraising to pay our coaches.

Well, the SAH parents will just have have their fees doubled, I guess. After all "working families" have spoken. It's all about them.

No - swim team costs the same. You have 150 kids on your team paying. I have 175 paying because I have 25 doing the evening that you lost by not offering evening. And the fees from the extra 20 cover the extra money for evening coaching.

It costs the fees of 150 kids to run morning training, but only the cost of 25 kids to run the evening training? Either you are stiffing the evening coaches, or the kids at evening training are getting a far inferior experience.

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

I wanted to ask the same thing. Coaches would be working 4-5 hours in the morning before the pool opens and then come back and work 5 to 8 pm? We have two head coaches and six lane coaches in the morning. I can't imagine being able to afford an evening cadre as well without doubling our fees. Even as it stands now we have to do a LOT of fundraising to pay our coaches.

Well, the SAH parents will just have have their fees doubled, I guess. After all "working families" have spoken. It's all about them.

No - swim team costs the same. You have 150 kids on your team paying. I have 175 paying because I have 25 doing the evening that you lost by not offering evening. And the fees from the extra 20 cover the extra money for evening coaching.

It costs the fees of 150 kids to run morning training, but only the cost of 25 kids to run the evening training? Either you are stiffing the evening coaches, or the kids at evening training are getting a far inferior experience.

Not PP, but out pool has evening training for kids whose parents worked. It's shorter and the lanes were more crowded. Instead of our adult coaches, it was overseen by teen coaches (who obviously make far less) with fewer coaches per swimmer.

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Our team practices at 7am - before camp

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Anonymous wrote:Our team practices at 7am - before camp

for all ages? Ours starts at 7, but the 6 and unders don't start until 11

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We found our swim team sitters through (1) regular babysitter of a swim team friend (she watched both families), (2) care.com and (3) an older kid/assistant coach for the team. Two of them drove, one of them biked with the kids. It worked out pretty well every year and was reasonably priced because we split with another family. I think each family paid ~$12/hr which was less than the cost of 2 kids in camp. Now my kids are in middle school they just bike there themselves and spend the day at the pool.

We also did a fair amount of juggling for practice coverage between families. For afterschool practices before summer break we had one designated parent at the pool for a whole gaggle of elementary school kids who walked to the pool after school. Most of our friends on swim team have two working parents - although most of those parents also have some flexibility in their schedules or grandparents around to help, which I realize everyone doesn't have.

Our pool does have evening practices 3 days/week where swim team takes 2-3 lanes. I believe at least one of our two head coaches attends most days.

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

Yeah. I can’t imagine a coach wanting to take this on. Morning and evening practice every weekday? Then weekend meets? It sounds like they would need to hire extra people and it wouldn’t be cost effective except for the largest of teams.

I think working parents need to let some stuff go. There’s so much FOMO that you’re trying to make something intended to fill unused morning pool time into an evening activity. Accept that you can’t participate in every activity that SAH can facilitate and move on. Find a camp with daily swimming. It’s the same thing.

Nope - for those who are interested - just think outside the box. I found a few local pools who already had evening programs - and I called them to find out how they got it to work. Their pools reps were so helpful to me. I had a CAN DO attitude and I showed our pool how if these other pools can do it - we can do it too. And like I said - I do a lot of the volunteer work, and I enlist other parents who want their kids in the program to help as well.

Are you coaching/running the practices in the evening? I am confused about what the parents have to do with it.

They want parents to nag the team reps and pool boards so that the pool can rearrange how it operates to accommodate them. Our team is large and takes up our lap pool and often a few lanes of our larger pool for practice. Having those unavailable in the evening would be a non-starter for other pool members

If you have such a large team doesn’t it stand to reason that the majority of your members have a kid that either currently participates in summer swim or did in the past? Our team is also extremely large (although we do have a separate lap pool so that makes things a little easier) and most of the members have kids who are either on the team or were on the team when they were younger. No one throws a a fit about the lap pool being used for practice from 4-6 pm on Monday, Tuesday and Thursday during swim season. People are making it sound like the pool is being shut down to other members for 6 hours a day for 5 weeks and that just isn’t the case.

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How does 4-6 help working parents? Our lap pool is always booked out 6-close by adults swimming laps. That's the time you would need to accommodate working parents.

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

I wanted to ask the same thing. Coaches would be working 4-5 hours in the morning before the pool opens and then come back and work 5 to 8 pm? We have two head coaches and six lane coaches in the morning. I can't imagine being able to afford an evening cadre as well without doubling our fees. Even as it stands now we have to do a LOT of fundraising to pay our coaches.

Well, the SAH parents will just have have their fees doubled, I guess. After all "working families" have spoken. It's all about them.

No - swim team costs the same. You have 150 kids on your team paying. I have 175 paying because I have 25 doing the evening that you lost by not offering evening. And the fees from the extra 20 cover the extra money for evening coaching.

It costs the fees of 150 kids to run morning training, but only the cost of 25 kids to run the evening training? Either you are stiffing the evening coaches, or the kids at evening training are getting a far inferior experience.

Not PP, but out pool has evening training for kids whose parents worked. It's shorter and the lanes were more crowded. Instead of our adult coaches, it was overseen by teen coaches (who obviously make far less) with fewer coaches per swimmer.

Right, that sounds like a far inferior experience to me

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Anonymous wrote:How does 4-6 help working parents? Our lap pool is always booked out 6-close by adults swimming laps. That's the time you would need to accommodate working parents.

And this is where people get irritated by working parents. At our pool virtually all the parents work, there isn’t a cadre of SAHMs just chilling at the pool all day, and those of us that work pull it together and flex our hours to either make the early practice or the 5-6 practice work. In the new Covid era of WFH and flex schedules this really wasn’t that difficult for most people last summer.

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

I wanted to ask the same thing. Coaches would be working 4-5 hours in the morning before the pool opens and then come back and work 5 to 8 pm? We have two head coaches and six lane coaches in the morning. I can't imagine being able to afford an evening cadre as well without doubling our fees. Even as it stands now we have to do a LOT of fundraising to pay our coaches.

Well, the SAH parents will just have have their fees doubled, I guess. After all "working families" have spoken. It's all about them.

No - swim team costs the same. You have 150 kids on your team paying. I have 175 paying because I have 25 doing the evening that you lost by not offering evening. And the fees from the extra 20 cover the extra money for evening coaching.

It costs the fees of 150 kids to run morning training, but only the cost of 25 kids to run the evening training? Either you are stiffing the evening coaches, or the kids at evening training are getting a far inferior experience.

Not PP, but out pool has evening training for kids whose parents worked. It's shorter and the lanes were more crowded. Instead of our adult coaches, it was overseen by teen coaches (who obviously make far less) with fewer coaches per swimmer.

Right, that sounds like a far inferior experience to me

What pool has this amazing coaching experience? At our pool the kids have a great time and just being in the water helps them improve, but the coaches are doing very little actual coaching because there are so many kids. My kid learned technical skill from the county stroke and turn clinics and then joining a club. They still love the whole summer swim experience though.

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

I wanted to ask the same thing. Coaches would be working 4-5 hours in the morning before the pool opens and then come back and work 5 to 8 pm? We have two head coaches and six lane coaches in the morning. I can't imagine being able to afford an evening cadre as well without doubling our fees. Even as it stands now we have to do a LOT of fundraising to pay our coaches.

Well, the SAH parents will just have have their fees doubled, I guess. After all "working families" have spoken. It's all about them.

No - swim team costs the same. You have 150 kids on your team paying. I have 175 paying because I have 25 doing the evening that you lost by not offering evening. And the fees from the extra 20 cover the extra money for evening coaching.

It costs the fees of 150 kids to run morning training, but only the cost of 25 kids to run the evening training? Either you are stiffing the evening coaches, or the kids at evening training are getting a far inferior experience.

NP here. We offer evening practices for all age groups 4-6:30 (2-3 lanes M,T,R. W is a meet; Friday short practice and pep Ralley). The regular coaches cover all practices. Swimmers don’t register for am or pm. They all pay the same and attend whatever practices work for them and it change week to week. We have a large team, we receive no $ from the pool. Coaching costs are very high and frankly I think the junior coaches are underpaid for the hours they work. But, it works out roughly with some committed fundraising and good mgmt.