Summer swim if work in office

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

Yes - but they don't coach every evening shift. Usually they agree to each work one evening shift a week. The cost is not an issue because we are getting pool membership fees and swim team revenues that cover it.

Wait. Pool membership fees go to the swim team? They are not separate financial groups? If the pool was helping to pay then it would be easier to have practice during the evening. I would not mind having evening practices (a lane or two) for our younger swimmers 8&U with some in water coaching. Our issues is we have way too many swimmers. So we have issues with not enough lanes (even in morning practice).

Depends on the pool. . . Not at mine

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

I wanted to ask the same thing. Coaches would be working 4-5 hours in the morning before the pool opens and then come back and work 5 to 8 pm? We have two head coaches and six lane coaches in the morning. I can't imagine being able to afford an evening cadre as well without doubling our fees. Even as it stands now we have to do a LOT of fundraising to pay our coaches.

You are assuming all parents work 9-5.

Well, the SAH parents will just have have their fees doubled, I guess. After all "working families" have spoken. It's all about them.

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

I wanted to ask the same thing. Coaches would be working 4-5 hours in the morning before the pool opens and then come back and work 5 to 8 pm? We have two head coaches and six lane coaches in the morning. I can't imagine being able to afford an evening cadre as well without doubling our fees. Even as it stands now we have to do a LOT of fundraising to pay our coaches.

Well, the SAH parents will just have have their fees doubled, I guess. After all "working families" have spoken. It's all about them.

You’re assuming all parents work 9-5. This is why pools vary and reps determine the needs based on availability of the pool, costs and how many people would benefit from adjusting the schedule.

If my kid misses a soccer practice because my daughter has ballet at the same time, I don’t deduct a percentage of what’s due.

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

I wanted to ask the same thing. Coaches would be working 4-5 hours in the morning before the pool opens and then come back and work 5 to 8 pm? We have two head coaches and six lane coaches in the morning. I can't imagine being able to afford an evening cadre as well without doubling our fees. Even as it stands now we have to do a LOT of fundraising to pay our coaches.

Well, the SAH parents will just have have their fees doubled, I guess. After all "working families" have spoken. It's all about them.

You’re assuming all parents work 9-5. This is why pools vary and reps determine the needs based on availability of the pool, costs and how many people would benefit from adjusting the schedule.

If my kid misses a soccer practice because my daughter has ballet at the same time, I don’t deduct a percentage of what’s due.

So if your daughter's ballet constantly conflicts with soccer practice, do you "push" the soccer club to have a different practice time (even though the current time works for all the other parents on the team?) Or do you drop soccer (or ballet?)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How does 4-6 help working parents? Our lap pool is always booked out 6-close by adults swimming laps. That's the time you would need to accommodate working parents.

Can’t please everyone! Honestly, if you want it to work, you figure out a way. Only so many hours of sunlight. Maybe summer swim team isn’t right for your family. Every family has to make choices and sacrifices.

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

I wanted to ask the same thing. Coaches would be working 4-5 hours in the morning before the pool opens and then come back and work 5 to 8 pm? We have two head coaches and six lane coaches in the morning. I can't imagine being able to afford an evening cadre as well without doubling our fees. Even as it stands now we have to do a LOT of fundraising to pay our coaches.

Well, the SAH parents will just have have their fees doubled, I guess. After all "working families" have spoken. It's all about them.

You’re assuming all parents work 9-5. This is why pools vary and reps determine the needs based on availability of the pool, costs and how many people would benefit from adjusting the schedule.

If my kid misses a soccer practice because my daughter has ballet at the same time, I don’t deduct a percentage of what’s due.

So if your daughter's ballet constantly conflicts with soccer practice, do you "push" the soccer club to have a different practice time (even though the current time works for all the other parents on the team?) Or do you drop soccer (or ballet?)

Pp you’re responding to- I agree with you! I suck it up and one kid misses their activity that day or I have hire a sitter, find a carpool, etc.

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We both work but do shift work so can make it happen. A lot of the parents at our swim team seem to be teachers or have flex schedules.

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Anonymous wrote:How does 4-6 help working parents? Our lap pool is always booked out 6-close by adults swimming laps. That's the time you would need to accommodate working parents.

Can’t please everyone! Honestly, if you want it to work, you figure out a way. Only so many hours of sunlight. Maybe summer swim team isn’t right for your family. Every family has to make choices and sacrifices.

This. If your kid really wants to do it you will figure out a way. Otherwise, sorry it's not going to work out for you.

Our pool has practice starting as early as 7 . I think the last practice ends around 10 for the older kids.

Also, odds that you 6 year old is going to want to go to practice every day are slim.

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Anonymous wrote:Summer swim is discriminatory to working parents.

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

Yes - but they don't coach every evening shift. Usually they agree to each work one evening shift a week. The cost is not an issue because we are getting pool membership fees and swim team revenues that cover it.

Wait. Pool membership fees go to the swim team? They are not separate financial groups? If the pool was helping to pay then it would be easier to have practice during the evening. I would not mind having evening practices (a lane or two) for our younger swimmers 8&U with some in water coaching. Our issues is we have way too many swimmers. So we have issues with not enough lanes (even in morning practice).

No - we just know we have some people that only joined for the evening swim option. The membership fee doesn't go to the swim team - but we know that but for the evening program - the pool also wouldn't have gotten those memberships.
But the swim team fee does pay for the evening coaches for the evening group. We have a giant swim team but the evening group isn't that big.

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

I wanted to ask the same thing. Coaches would be working 4-5 hours in the morning before the pool opens and then come back and work 5 to 8 pm? We have two head coaches and six lane coaches in the morning. I can't imagine being able to afford an evening cadre as well without doubling our fees. Even as it stands now we have to do a LOT of fundraising to pay our coaches.

It's not 5-8pm. It's one hour in the evenings - typically 3 nights a week - so yes, it is fewer days for the evening only group once school is out.

How many lanes do you have? I am the poster who has a very large team (175). We are already unwieldly.

We have a large swim team but the evening group isn't that large. We usually use two lanes in the evening - if you're counting swim team only and not minis.

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

Yeah. I can’t imagine a coach wanting to take this on. Morning and evening practice every weekday? Then weekend meets? It sounds like they would need to hire extra people and it wouldn’t be cost effective except for the largest of teams.

I think working parents need to let some stuff go. There’s so much FOMO that you’re trying to make something intended to fill unused morning pool time into an evening activity. Accept that you can’t participate in every activity that SAH can facilitate and move on. Find a camp with daily swimming. It’s the same thing.

Nope - for those who are interested - just think outside the box. I found a few local pools who already had evening programs - and I called them to find out how they got it to work. Their pools reps were so helpful to me. I had a CAN DO attitude and I showed our pool how if these other pools can do it - we can do it too. And like I said - I do a lot of the volunteer work, and I enlist other parents who want their kids in the program to help as well.

Are you coaching/running the practices in the evening? I am confused about what the parents have to do with it.

They want parents to nag the team reps and pool boards so that the pool can rearrange how it operates to accommodate them. Our team is large and takes up our lap pool and often a few lanes of our larger pool for practice. Having those unavailable in the evening would be a non-starter for other pool members

It is 1-2 lanes unavailable in the evening. It's not the same thing as the morning practice. It's a smaller evening group.

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

I wanted to ask the same thing. Coaches would be working 4-5 hours in the morning before the pool opens and then come back and work 5 to 8 pm? We have two head coaches and six lane coaches in the morning. I can't imagine being able to afford an evening cadre as well without doubling our fees. Even as it stands now we have to do a LOT of fundraising to pay our coaches.

Well, the SAH parents will just have have their fees doubled, I guess. After all "working families" have spoken. It's all about them.

No - swim team costs the same. You have 150 kids on your team paying. I have 175 paying because I have 25 doing the evening that you lost by not offering evening. And the fees from the extra 20 cover the extra money for evening coaching.

It costs the fees of 150 kids to run morning training, but only the cost of 25 kids to run the evening training? Either you are stiffing the evening coaches, or the kids at evening training are getting a far inferior experience.

Neither. There are way more kids and coaches in the morning. Fewer kids and fewer coaches in the evening. It's not an identical program in the evening. It is a much smaller group and I guarantee it would be the same if any of you did it at your pool.

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Anonymous wrote:How does 4-6 help working parents? Our lap pool is always booked out 6-close by adults swimming laps. That's the time you would need to accommodate working parents.

I guess some of us have different pools. Our lap lanes are never solidly booked.

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

I wanted to ask the same thing. Coaches would be working 4-5 hours in the morning before the pool opens and then come back and work 5 to 8 pm? We have two head coaches and six lane coaches in the morning. I can't imagine being able to afford an evening cadre as well without doubling our fees. Even as it stands now we have to do a LOT of fundraising to pay our coaches.

Well, the SAH parents will just have have their fees doubled, I guess. After all "working families" have spoken. It's all about them.

You’re assuming all parents work 9-5. This is why pools vary and reps determine the needs based on availability of the pool, costs and how many people would benefit from adjusting the schedule.

If my kid misses a soccer practice because my daughter has ballet at the same time, I don’t deduct a percentage of what’s due.

So if your daughter's ballet constantly conflicts with soccer practice, do you "push" the soccer club to have a different practice time (even though the current time works for all the other parents on the team?) Or do you drop soccer (or ballet?)

We often do what we are doing for swim. I am helping with evening swim. My spouse coaches other sports and in that way is able to plan that practice time at a time that works for us too.