Summer swim if work in office

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

I wanted to ask the same thing. Coaches would be working 4-5 hours in the morning before the pool opens and then come back and work 5 to 8 pm? We have two head coaches and six lane coaches in the morning. I can't imagine being able to afford an evening cadre as well without doubling our fees. Even as it stands now we have to do a LOT of fundraising to pay our coaches.

Well, the SAH parents will just have have their fees doubled, I guess. After all "working families" have spoken. It's all about them.

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

I wanted to ask the same thing. Coaches would be working 4-5 hours in the morning before the pool opens and then come back and work 5 to 8 pm? We have two head coaches and six lane coaches in the morning. I can't imagine being able to afford an evening cadre as well without doubling our fees. Even as it stands now we have to do a LOT of fundraising to pay our coaches.

Well, the SAH parents will just have have their fees doubled, I guess. After all "working families" have spoken. It's all about them.

DP and no one is arguing the bolded. We're saying that summer swim teams, at least if they want to have swimmers, need to take into account the families they aim to serve. These families are also pool members, and what's to stop them from switching to a pool that doesn't pretend to live in the 1950s if people ignore them?

As for the coaching hours: our team has one head coach, several older associate coaches, and a bunch of junior coaches. Between them, they cover the practices.

Seriously, where in the DC area do most community pools serve solely families with a stay at home parent? Why on earth would they NOT consider offering multiple practice times to accommodate families with two working parents or a single parent?

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I feel like this thread has devolved into a weird superiority complex on the part of SAHMs. Posters seem to be getting pleasure out of saying well this is an activity that only kids with SAHMs can participate in. It’s really strange. This doesn’t have to be either/or, have evening practices a few days a week and morning practices a few days a week.

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

I wanted to ask the same thing. Coaches would be working 4-5 hours in the morning before the pool opens and then come back and work 5 to 8 pm? We have two head coaches and six lane coaches in the morning. I can't imagine being able to afford an evening cadre as well without doubling our fees. Even as it stands now we have to do a LOT of fundraising to pay our coaches.

Well, the SAH parents will just have have their fees doubled, I guess. After all "working families" have spoken. It's all about them.

DP and no one is arguing the bolded. We're saying that summer swim teams, at least if they want to have swimmers, need to take into account the families they aim to serve. These families are also pool members, and what's to stop them from switching to a pool that doesn't pretend to live in the 1950s if people ignore them?

As for the coaching hours: our team has one head coach, several older associate coaches, and a bunch of junior coaches. Between them, they cover the practices.

Seriously, where in the DC area do most community pools serve solely families with a stay at home parent? Why on earth would they NOT consider offering multiple practice times to accommodate families with two working parents or a single parent?

Given that many swim teams have waiting lists/try outs, and I don't know of ANY that have "not enough" swimmers, I don't think the bolded is an issue for them. They have swimmers. Many families, even ones without a stay at home parent, have found ways to make it work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this thread has devolved into a weird superiority complex on the part of SAHMs. Posters seem to be getting pleasure out of saying well this is an activity that only kids with SAHMs can participate in. It’s really strange. This doesn’t have to be either/or, have evening practices a few days a week and morning practices a few days a week.

On the contrary, it's a weird superiority complex on the part of "working families" who demand everything change to accomodate them, with no respect for the coaches' time.

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Anonymous wrote:it has worked well for us to hire a summer sitter for the first 5 or so weeks of the summer- it means the kids can be relaxed when school gets out- they get up, go to swim team, and then play at the pool all day with the sitter. At the end of swim team, we go to camp. Our pool has tried camper practice early in the morning, and has also tried the evening practice. The early morning camper practice is hard on kids b/c they are not with their normal age group and it is just not as fun. The evening practice was a lot of effort for the board and coaches, and poorly attended. After being at camp all day, most kids don't want to go to swim team practice.

Didn’t see this post before I posted above, but this is something we would be super interested in, how much does it cost and how do you go about finding a sitter for that type of set up?

It sounds like your ideal sitter is already a member of your pool or even the summer swim team and is someone who wants to spend the day there. Figure out how your pool communicates with members over the winter (by email, through social media, on a pool website). Ask your pool President, board, or webmaster if you can put an announcement out to members. If so, write your help-wanted ad and share it with members. You could also put up a paper posting at the pool after it opens, but you probably want this set up before then.

Another poster mentioned $15/hour. That seems reasonable to me, too.

You could also find a sitter on y

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Anonymous wrote:it has worked well for us to hire a summer sitter for the first 5 or so weeks of the summer- it means the kids can be relaxed when school gets out- they get up, go to swim team, and then play at the pool all day with the sitter. At the end of swim team, we go to camp. Our pool has tried camper practice early in the morning, and has also tried the evening practice. The early morning camper practice is hard on kids b/c they are not with their normal age group and it is just not as fun. The evening practice was a lot of effort for the board and coaches, and poorly attended. After being at camp all day, most kids don't want to go to swim team practice.

Didn’t see this post before I posted above, but this is something we would be super interested in, how much does it cost and how do you go about finding a sitter for that type of set up?

It sounds like your ideal sitter is already a member of your pool or even the summer swim team and is someone who wants to spend the day there. Figure out how your pool communicates with members over the winter (by email, through social media, on a pool website). Ask your pool President, board, or webmaster if you can put an announcement out to members. If so, write your help-wanted ad and share it with members. You could also put up a paper posting at the pool after it opens, but you probably want this set up before then.

Another poster mentioned $15/hour. That seems reasonable to me, too.

You could also find a sitter on y

That was me.

You could also find a sitter on your own, but working with another pool member seems easier.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this thread has devolved into a weird superiority complex on the part of SAHMs. Posters seem to be getting pleasure out of saying well this is an activity that only kids with SAHMs can participate in. It’s really strange. This doesn’t have to be either/or, have evening practices a few days a week and morning practices a few days a week.

On the contrary, it's a weird superiority complex on the part of "working families" who demand everything change to accomodate them, with no respect for the coaches' time.

Again. No one said the bolded. If you read adding one practice as "changing everything," you either have reading comprehension problems or an agenda. Or both.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

Also, teams really love it when a parent they've never met before comes in and demands that everything change to accommodate them. LOVE it!

We’ve picked up a lot of A meet swimmers from ones who went their toes in my evening program to start. You don’t know what you’re missing. Make the interested parents do the work.

That has nothing to do with the posts you quoted.

I'm responding to the fact that it might behoove pools to consider accomodating parents that are interested in an evening program.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

Yes - but they don't coach every evening shift. Usually they agree to each work one evening shift a week. The cost is not an issue because we are getting pool membership fees and swim team revenues that cover it.

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

I wanted to ask the same thing. Coaches would be working 4-5 hours in the morning before the pool opens and then come back and work 5 to 8 pm? We have two head coaches and six lane coaches in the morning. I can't imagine being able to afford an evening cadre as well without doubling our fees. Even as it stands now we have to do a LOT of fundraising to pay our coaches.

It's not 5-8pm. It's one hour in the evenings - typically 3 nights a week - so yes, it is fewer days for the evening only group once school is out.

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

Yeah. I can’t imagine a coach wanting to take this on. Morning and evening practice every weekday? Then weekend meets? It sounds like they would need to hire extra people and it wouldn’t be cost effective except for the largest of teams.

I think working parents need to let some stuff go. There’s so much FOMO that you’re trying to make something intended to fill unused morning pool time into an evening activity. Accept that you can’t participate in every activity that SAH can facilitate and move on. Find a camp with daily swimming. It’s the same thing.

Nope - for those who are interested - just think outside the box. I found a few local pools who already had evening programs - and I called them to find out how they got it to work. Their pools reps were so helpful to me. I had a CAN DO attitude and I showed our pool how if these other pools can do it - we can do it too. And like I said - I do a lot of the volunteer work, and I enlist other parents who want their kids in the program to help as well.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

I wanted to ask the same thing. Coaches would be working 4-5 hours in the morning before the pool opens and then come back and work 5 to 8 pm? We have two head coaches and six lane coaches in the morning. I can't imagine being able to afford an evening cadre as well without doubling our fees. Even as it stands now we have to do a LOT of fundraising to pay our coaches.

That's interesting - we do not have to do fundraising to pay our coaches, ever.

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Anonymous wrote:If they don’t offer it, you need to push your team to have later afternoon practices for pre-team/full team as an option. Carpooling, too, and you do pick up if that’s still too early. There are ways to do it, and summer swim was great fun for our kids.

This would be a nonstarter at many/most pools. They aren’t going to shut down the pool to general membership at the busiest time of day.

It’s a smaller group that needs the evening session and you can get by with using a few lanes. Our pool is big so using a few lanes a few nights a week is NBD. But it would depend on the pool size.

Question. Are your coaches now coaching both morning and evening? That is a lot of hours. Or do your head coaches only do morning. That would be a tremendous cost to do both.

I wanted to ask the same thing. Coaches would be working 4-5 hours in the morning before the pool opens and then come back and work 5 to 8 pm? We have two head coaches and six lane coaches in the morning. I can't imagine being able to afford an evening cadre as well without doubling our fees. Even as it stands now we have to do a LOT of fundraising to pay our coaches.

Well, the SAH parents will just have have their fees doubled, I guess. After all "working families" have spoken. It's all about them.

No - swim team costs the same. You have 150 kids on your team paying. I have 175 paying because I have 25 doing the evening that you lost by not offering evening. And the fees from the extra 20 cover the extra money for evening coaching.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this thread has devolved into a weird superiority complex on the part of SAHMs. Posters seem to be getting pleasure out of saying well this is an activity that only kids with SAHMs can participate in. It’s really strange. This doesn’t have to be either/or, have evening practices a few days a week and morning practices a few days a week.

On the contrary, it's a weird superiority complex on the part of "working families" who demand everything change to accomodate them, with no respect for the coaches' time.

Find yourself some coaches who support families with dual working parents! I find them not in short supply!