Marilyn Mosby, Baltimore State Attorney, indicted for perjury

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Anonymous wrote:Not clear What CARES fund she used - for PPP?

She didn't use CARES funds.

The CARES Act allowed you to take a penalty free withdrawal from your retirement accounts if you or a member of your household got COVID or if you suffered any "adverse" financial situation due to COVID. Mosby took out that money from her own retirement funds and used the money as a downpayment on two homes in Florida.

The DOJ is saying she (1) lied and inappropriately took a withdrawal from her retirement account and (2) lied on her mortgage documents when she bought a vacation home (she did not disclose to the lender that she owed money to the IRS).

(1) is a laughable charge, it going to get tossed.
(2) has merit, but feels flimsy. She apparently told the lender it was a 2nd home, so she didn't get the primary household mortgage rate. As a 2nd home owner, you can hire a management company to maintain and rent the house while you're not using it. The thing about the IRS is legit.

Then what's the problem? I also don't see closing companies doing a lot of DD before disbursing funds. She must have reported that income to IRS or she would do with 2021 taxes?

Right, the CARES distribution from her 457 retirement fund would've been taxable income and taxes would've been withheld by the employer. The DOJ is claiming she didn't have a good excuse to take out the funds, but the law itself is written in such a way that anyone can have a financial hardship related to COVID (even if they didn't lose their job or income). We worked the entire time and definitely had COVID-related hardships for childcare, buying masks and tests, etc. If Mosby or her husband got sick with COVID, that would qualify.

The stuff about the mortgage fraud feels flimsy. The DOJ is basically saying she bought it as an investment property, whereas she told the lender it was a 2nd home. Essentially, DOJ is saying that anyone who is renting their 2nd home on VRBO while owing a mortgage is committing fraud. It's bunk.

The final piece is the disclosure about owing the IRS money. She did not disclose it to the lender. But it's unclear to me if this is a long-standing debt, if it was in her husband's name, or if she even had proper notification from the IRS. This is the only charge with actual legs.

Anyways, the whole thing smells politically motivated. If she's guilty, then pretty much everyone who owns a 2nd home with a mortgage is guilty.

How did it all started and how far back they went to look at her records? Was it before her service as a DA?

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Now this is ironic. Apparently there were memorable scenes in the Baltimore based The Wire” series talking about how mortgage fraud is a “head shot” crime.

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“Federal prosecutors in Baltimore used to call this statute — and its overwhelming and intimidating penalty — the Head Shot. If the rest of your case was insubstantial, if you couldn’t make the case you wanted to make, but you were on the spot for investigating a high profile target, then check the loan documents on that sucker’s house first. See if he made a false claim. Even if he was paying off the bank loan, or had paid the loan, even if there was no actual monetary loss, check the loan documents. It’s amazing how many Americans put more than their best foot forward when they are trying to convince a bank to back their mortgage.”

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David Simon on the abuse by federal prosecutors of mortgage fraud convictions. They really like to go after black politicians with these charges:

http://davidsimon.com/kwame-brown-another-federal-case-another-head-shot/

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Anonymous wrote:David Simon on the abuse by federal prosecutors of mortgage fraud convictions. They really like to go after black politicians with these charges:

http://davidsimon.com/kwame-brown-another-federal-case-another-head-shot/

Good thread. Basically Simon says Mosby is bad at prosecuting crime, but the Feds are desperate and are abusing their office.

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Anonymous wrote:David Simon on the abuse by federal prosecutors of mortgage fraud convictions. They really like to go after black politicians with these charges:

http://davidsimon.com/kwame-brown-another-federal-case-another-head-shot/

Mosby broke the law.

She lied on documents to get her mortgage.

End of.

How hard is this for people to accept? She *broke* the law. Despite being an elected official and prosecuting DA. She *broke* the law.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:David Simon on the abuse by federal prosecutors of mortgage fraud convictions. They really like to go after black politicians with these charges:

http://davidsimon.com/kwame-brown-another-federal-case-another-head-shot/

Mosby broke the law.

She lied on documents to get her mortgage.

End of.

How hard is this for people to accept? She *broke* the law. Despite being an elected official and prosecuting DA. She *broke* the law.

Glad to see our resident right wingers are back to their usual position that indictment=conviction. Must have been very confusing to be arguing that an indictment is only an allegation that has to be proven at trial when it was right wingers being charged.

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Lawyers should know better. They shouldn’t lie. They shouldn’t break the law.

Don’t play the race card here just because several black elected officials in Baltimore and elsewhere have broken the law in similar fashion. Nobody forced them to scam the system for their own personal gain.

She should be ashamed. She and her husband.

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Anonymous wrote:David Simon on the abuse by federal prosecutors of mortgage fraud convictions. They really like to go after black politicians with these charges:

http://davidsimon.com/kwame-brown-another-federal-case-another-head-shot/

You know why? Cause they do it all the time. It is a standing joke in prosecutorial circles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:David Simon on the abuse by federal prosecutors of mortgage fraud convictions. They really like to go after black politicians with these charges:

http://davidsimon.com/kwame-brown-another-federal-case-another-head-shot/

Mosby broke the law.

She lied on documents to get her mortgage.

End of.

How hard is this for people to accept? She *broke* the law. Despite being an elected official and prosecuting DA. She *broke* the law.

Glad to see our resident right wingers are back to their usual position that indictment=conviction. Must have been very confusing to be arguing that an indictment is only an allegation that has to be proven at trial when it was right wingers being charged.

What is this? A competition to outdo each other in paranoid support of Mosby and alleging right wingers everywhere? There is no federal right wing conspiracy against Mosby. Hint: the DOJ is firmly under the thumbs of a Democratic administration.

The Feds would not indict Mosby if they didn't believe she broke the law. And the documents make clear she lied about her intentions when she got her mortgage. I'm not sure why this is so difficult to accept, unless you do genuinely agree to one standards for people like Mosby and another standard for the hoi polloi?

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Baltimore Brew shines more light on the Mosby case:

https://www.baltimorebrew.com/2022/01/16/at-the-heart-of-marilyn-mosbys-perjury-charges-the-web-of-words-she-wove-about-her-travel-company/

Seems like she set up a travel company in 2019 and used it as the excuse for COVID hardship used to withdraw funds, despite that the travel company had never actually been in operation, had no clients and no programs in the work, in other words, it was just a shell company. The Baltimore Investigator General first reported on it as part of an ethical review and Mosby's lack of reporting her private companies on her documents in 2019.

I suppose this is what kicked off the whole thing.

I do wonder why a DA with a comfortable salary and ostensibly enormous workload would feel the need to start a travel company. Perhaps it's the same school of thinking behind Catherine Pugh and her ghost consignment shops that was used for tax write-offs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Baltimore Brew shines more light on the Mosby case:

https://www.baltimorebrew.com/2022/01/16/at-the-heart-of-marilyn-mosbys-perjury-charges-the-web-of-words-she-wove-about-her-travel-company/

Seems like she set up a travel company in 2019 and used it as the excuse for COVID hardship used to withdraw funds, despite that the travel company had never actually been in operation, had no clients and no programs in the work, in other words, it was just a shell company. The Baltimore Investigator General first reported on it as part of an ethical review and Mosby's lack of reporting her private companies on her documents in 2019.

I suppose this is what kicked off the whole thing.

I do wonder why a DA with a comfortable salary and ostensibly enormous workload would feel the need to start a travel company. Perhaps it's the same school of thinking behind Catherine Pugh and her ghost consignment shops that was used for tax write-offs.

Darn, I guess this is SOP in Baltimore... trying to ride the line of legality in personal dealings. It's like a reward for achieving higher office there.

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Spin it however you want to spin it but this is a licensed attorney and a public servant who took an oath of office -- you don't commit financial scams and lie when you're either, let alone both. In addition, it begs the question, what else would you lie about and what other crimes does the entrusted bureaucrat think are no big deal. If the allegations are proven, this is low life trash who should lose the $250k gig and be disbarred.

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Anonymous wrote:Lawyers should know better. They shouldn’t lie. They shouldn’t break the law.

Don’t play the race card here just because several black elected officials in Baltimore and elsewhere have broken the law in similar fashion. Nobody forced them to scam the system for their own personal gain.

She should be ashamed. She and her husband.

Today in metro Detroit, a white guy county prosecutor in is headed to trial for 10 felony counts. He at least had the dignity to resign.

https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/macomb-county/judge-binds-over-former-macomb-county-prosecutor-eric-smith-on-all-10-counts