Marilyn Mosby, Baltimore State Attorney, indicted for perjury

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Anonymous wrote:They indicted her for taking hardship withdrawals from her own retirement account and for renting out a house that has a secondary home mortgage on it? Geez, even if that technically qualifies as a crime, that seems like weak tea.

Feds go harder after African-American elected officials (it's true). I can guarantee that others more prominent and powerful than her have done the same exact thing, but there's no probable cause to trigger a review of their finances. Feds definitely went on a fishing expedition for Mosby's finances. What triggered the probable cause?

I don't think anyone could survive this level of scrutiny. One of the charges is that the mortgage agreement she signed had a provision in it that she would use it as a residence and wouldn't rent it out, but she in fact rented it out. As anyone who has signed a mortgage knows, these agreements are dozens of pages long with dense text. How many people actually read all of this, know what it says, and then comply with every clause in there?

Lots of UMC people invested in real estate buy a home, say its a primary residence, get the low 30 year rate, then rent it out within the first year. I mean, this is a pretty common practice, despite being illegal. I know LOTS of people who have done this.

I don't know how common it is as I've never heard people doing this.

But even so, if you are an elected official, you must know the standards are much stricter for you and there is less forgiveness. Sooner or later someone will spot any discrepancy.

And especially so if you court controversy and are known for being abrasive and divisive.

Well it seems the standards are only stricter for some elected officials. We know, for example, that Donald Trump's loan applications have loads of false statements in them. As do many of his business's tax returns. But he's never been indicted for any of that.

That's neither here nor there. What matters is Marilyn Mosby. I'm not sure why some people are rushing to her defense. She's been a terrible DA. She bought these properties in Florida (two!) and then immediately rented them out. I bought a house last year too and I was very well aware of the terms and conditions of my mortgage and that it was for a primary residence. If I could figure it out, surely she, an actual lawyer, would also know better....

She got arrogant. Just like Catherine Pugh before her.

Not really defending her. Just wondering why these laws are applied to some people and not others.

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Come on people, she is the DA of one of the largest cities in the country. And you are defending her saying she is financially illiterate and doesn't understand contract terms or what "perjury" means?

Please!

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Anonymous wrote:They indicted her for taking hardship withdrawals from her own retirement account and for renting out a house that has a secondary home mortgage on it? Geez, even if that technically qualifies as a crime, that seems like weak tea.

Feds go harder after African-American elected officials (it's true). I can guarantee that others more prominent and powerful than her have done the same exact thing, but there's no probable cause to trigger a review of their finances. Feds definitely went on a fishing expedition for Mosby's finances. What triggered the probable cause?

Let me guess: you are one the the uber-leftist, social-justice prosecutors who do not think criminals should be prosecuted for any crime. Because: racism.

Amirite??

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What triggered the review? It says the Feds asked for finances going back to 2014. You need probable cause to look at someone's mortgage documents. Did the bank report her? Further, how did they even identify that she had an agreement with a vacation rental management company?

I guarantee that the Feds are not looking at the mortgage financing documents of Senators, Governors, and other DAs. Many of whom have hinky stuff like this.

Also, I guarantee the retirement loan charge will get thrown out of court. That's a laughable charge. The language in the statute is so widely written you can drive a truck through it. I'm a federal employee who kept their job and my agency was sending all these emails about how we could tap our thrift balance for any impact related to COVID. If Mosby gave money to her family members during the pandemic, that's considered an economic impact. The burden of proof on this charge will be very high for the Feds to prove. It's a laughable charge.

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Anonymous wrote:They indicted her for taking hardship withdrawals from her own retirement account and for renting out a house that has a secondary home mortgage on it? Geez, even if that technically qualifies as a crime, that seems like weak tea.

Feds go harder after African-American elected officials (it's true). I can guarantee that others more prominent and powerful than her have done the same exact thing, but there's no probable cause to trigger a review of their finances. Feds definitely went on a fishing expedition for Mosby's finances. What triggered the probable cause?

I don't think anyone could survive this level of scrutiny. One of the charges is that the mortgage agreement she signed had a provision in it that she would use it as a residence and wouldn't rent it out, but she in fact rented it out. As anyone who has signed a mortgage knows, these agreements are dozens of pages long with dense text. How many people actually read all of this, know what it says, and then comply with every clause in there?

Lots of UMC people invested in real estate buy a home, say its a primary residence, get the low 30 year rate, then rent it out within the first year. I mean, this is a pretty common practice, despite being illegal. I know LOTS of people who have done this.

I don't know how common it is as I've never heard people doing this.

But even so, if you are an elected official, you must know the standards are much stricter for you and there is less forgiveness. Sooner or later someone will spot any discrepancy.

And especially so if you court controversy and are known for being abrasive and divisive.

Well it seems the standards are only stricter for some elected officials. We know, for example, that Donald Trump's loan applications have loads of false statements in them. As do many of his business's tax returns. But he's never been indicted for any of that.

That's neither here nor there. What matters is Marilyn Mosby. I'm not sure why some people are rushing to her defense. She's been a terrible DA. She bought these properties in Florida (two!) and then immediately rented them out. I bought a house last year too and I was very well aware of the terms and conditions of my mortgage and that it was for a primary residence. If I could figure it out, surely she, an actual lawyer, would also know better....

She got arrogant. Just like Catherine Pugh before her.

Wow, I had never heard of Catherine Pugh. Just looked her up. So she went to prison for getting the city and other agencies she had control over to buy children's books that she had written and she got the proceeds from? How is this different from Trump directing federal business to his own hotels, including his attempt to host the G7 at Doral? Seems like Baltimore officials are just as corrupt as Donald Trump, but only the difference is that they are held accountable and he is not.

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Anonymous wrote:They indicted her for taking hardship withdrawals from her own retirement account and for renting out a house that has a secondary home mortgage on it? Geez, even if that technically qualifies as a crime, that seems like weak tea.

Feds go harder after African-American elected officials (it's true). I can guarantee that others more prominent and powerful than her have done the same exact thing, but there's no probable cause to trigger a review of their finances. Feds definitely went on a fishing expedition for Mosby's finances. What triggered the probable cause?

Let me guess: you are one the the uber-leftist, social-justice prosecutors who do not think criminals should be prosecuted for any crime. Because: racism.

Amirite??

Nope, not at all. I think crime should be prosecuted.

But I do think this is a politically-motivated prosecution. The charge related to the retirement loan will clearly get tossed if Mosby has a half-decent lawyer. The entire episode reeks of politics.

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Anonymous wrote:What triggered the review? It says the Feds asked for finances going back to 2014. You need probable cause to look at someone's mortgage documents. Did the bank report her? Further, how did they even identify that she had an agreement with a vacation rental management company?

I guarantee that the Feds are not looking at the mortgage financing documents of Senators, Governors, and other DAs. Many of whom have hinky stuff like this.

Also, I guarantee the retirement loan charge will get thrown out of court. That's a laughable charge. The language in the statute is so widely written you can drive a truck through it. I'm a federal employee who kept their job and my agency was sending all these emails about how we could tap our thrift balance for any impact related to COVID. If Mosby gave money to her family members during the pandemic, that's considered an economic impact. The burden of proof on this charge will be very high for the Feds to prove. It's a laughable charge.

Very true. You didn’t need to actually have a hardship to get this. You only needed to experience one of the conditions outlined, which includes you or your spouse getting COVID.

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Note that the right wingers here are projecting.

Look, no one is defending the crimes or justifying this person's actions. how about the right wingers look in the mirror and hold your own accountable too?

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Anonymous wrote:They indicted her for taking hardship withdrawals from her own retirement account and for renting out a house that has a secondary home mortgage on it? Geez, even if that technically qualifies as a crime, that seems like weak tea.

Feds go harder after African-American elected officials (it's true). I can guarantee that others more prominent and powerful than her have done the same exact thing, but there's no probable cause to trigger a review of their finances. Feds definitely went on a fishing expedition for Mosby's finances. What triggered the probable cause?

Let me guess: you are one the the uber-leftist, social-justice prosecutors who do not think criminals should be prosecuted for any crime. Because: racism.

Amirite??

Nope, not at all. I think crime should be prosecuted.

But I do think this is a politically-motivated prosecution. The charge related to the retirement loan will clearly get tossed if Mosby has a half-decent lawyer. The entire episode reeks of politics.

Wait - you seriously believe the Biden-appointed United States attorney, working for Biden-appointee Merric Garland, is on a racist vendetta to imprison a Black prosecutor simply because she’s Black??

OMG.

Here is a simpler and more plausible rationale: Mosby knowingly committed fraud using Covid relief funds.

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Anonymous wrote:They indicted her for taking hardship withdrawals from her own retirement account and for renting out a house that has a secondary home mortgage on it? Geez, even if that technically qualifies as a crime, that seems like weak tea.

Feds go harder after African-American elected officials (it's true). I can guarantee that others more prominent and powerful than her have done the same exact thing, but there's no probable cause to trigger a review of their finances. Feds definitely went on a fishing expedition for Mosby's finances. What triggered the probable cause?

I don't think anyone could survive this level of scrutiny. One of the charges is that the mortgage agreement she signed had a provision in it that she would use it as a residence and wouldn't rent it out, but she in fact rented it out. As anyone who has signed a mortgage knows, these agreements are dozens of pages long with dense text. How many people actually read all of this, know what it says, and then comply with every clause in there?

Lots of UMC people invested in real estate buy a home, say its a primary residence, get the low 30 year rate, then rent it out within the first year. I mean, this is a pretty common practice, despite being illegal. I know LOTS of people who have done this.

I don't know how common it is as I've never heard people doing this.

But even so, if you are an elected official, you must know the standards are much stricter for you and there is less forgiveness. Sooner or later someone will spot any discrepancy.

And especially so if you court controversy and are known for being abrasive and divisive.

Well it seems the standards are only stricter for some elected officials. We know, for example, that Donald Trump's loan applications have loads of false statements in them. As do many of his business's tax returns. But he's never been indicted for any of that.

That's neither here nor there. What matters is Marilyn Mosby. I'm not sure why some people are rushing to her defense. She's been a terrible DA. She bought these properties in Florida (two!) and then immediately rented them out. I bought a house last year too and I was very well aware of the terms and conditions of my mortgage and that it was for a primary residence. If I could figure it out, surely she, an actual lawyer, would also know better....

She got arrogant. Just like Catherine Pugh before her.

Wow, I had never heard of Catherine Pugh. Just looked her up. So she went to prison for getting the city and other agencies she had control over to buy children's books that she had written and she got the proceeds from? How is this different from Trump directing federal business to his own hotels, including his attempt to host the G7 at Doral? Seems like Baltimore officials are just as corrupt as Donald Trump, but only the difference is that they are held accountable and he is not.

It's more complex than that. If it'd just been non profits and agencies buying her book nothing would have happened even if it was still blatant cronyism. What happened was that Pugh didn't report the sales from her books. She hid the money and didn't report it as income or pay taxes on it. That was where the criminality stepped in. She also had some dummy businesses used to launder her money to hide it from the tax man. And to make it all worse, while she "sold" books to the city agencies and nonprofits, she never delivered the number of promised books and accounting showed that she effectively sold the same sets of ghost books to different parties. Her actual crime that she was prosecuted was: commit wire fraud and conspiracy to defraud the government and two counts of tax evasion.

Trump was smart enough to stay just clear of the right side of the law, which is why despite all the strenuous attempts no one has actually been able to prosecute him.

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Anonymous wrote:They indicted her for taking hardship withdrawals from her own retirement account and for renting out a house that has a secondary home mortgage on it? Geez, even if that technically qualifies as a crime, that seems like weak tea.

Feds go harder after African-American elected officials (it's true). I can guarantee that others more prominent and powerful than her have done the same exact thing, but there's no probable cause to trigger a review of their finances. Feds definitely went on a fishing expedition for Mosby's finances. What triggered the probable cause?

Let me guess: you are one the the uber-leftist, social-justice prosecutors who do not think criminals should be prosecuted for any crime. Because: racism.

Amirite??

Nope, not at all. I think crime should be prosecuted.

But I do think this is a politically-motivated prosecution. The charge related to the retirement loan will clearly get tossed if Mosby has a half-decent lawyer. The entire episode reeks of politics.

Wait - you seriously believe the Biden-appointed United States attorney, working for Biden-appointee Merric Garland, is on a racist vendetta to imprison a Black prosecutor simply because she’s Black??

OMG.

Here is a simpler and more plausible rationale: Mosby knowingly committed fraud using Covid relief funds.

Not PP but Biden’s appointee has only been in office for a few months. This investigation was obviously under way before he arrived.

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Anonymous wrote:What triggered the review? It says the Feds asked for finances going back to 2014. You need probable cause to look at someone's mortgage documents. Did the bank report her? Further, how did they even identify that she had an agreement with a vacation rental management company?

I guarantee that the Feds are not looking at the mortgage financing documents of Senators, Governors, and other DAs. Many of whom have hinky stuff like this.

Also, I guarantee the retirement loan charge will get thrown out of court. That's a laughable charge. The language in the statute is so widely written you can drive a truck through it. I'm a federal employee who kept their job and my agency was sending all these emails about how we could tap our thrift balance for any impact related to COVID. If Mosby gave money to her family members during the pandemic, that's considered an economic impact. The burden of proof on this charge will be very high for the Feds to prove. It's a laughable charge.

She broke several laws.....And, she met NONE of the requirements for the withdrawal of money.

A question I have..... she reportedly made $150,000 on the sale of the first FL property. Why did she not pay of her taxes at that point?

According to charging documents, Mosby in May 2020 requested a one-time withdrawal of $40,000 from her city retirement account, falsely certifying under penalty of perjury that she had experienced financial hardship as a result of “being quarantined, furloughed or laid off,” “having reduced work hours,” “being unable to work due to lack of child care” or “the closing of reduction of hours of a business I own or operate.”

In fact, her 2020 salary was nearly $248,000 and was unaffected by the pandemic. “Rather than experiencing a reduction in income in 2020, Mosby’s gross salary in 2020 increased over her gross salary in 2019, which was $238,772.04,” charging documents say.

Mosby received $36,000 in withdrawal money and put it toward a down payment for a vacation home in Kissimmee, Fla. The indictment alleges that she lied in order to lower the mortgage’s interest rate: she purportedly told lenders it would serve as a second home, but a week earlier had signed an agreement with a vacation home management company to list the property for short-term rentals.

Mosby also allegedly lied to mortgage lenders about tax liabilities. The IRS filed a $45,022 lien against her in March 2020 for unpaid back taxes, but she did not disclose in the September 2020 application that she owed significant amounts of federal taxes nor that she was delinquent.

She purchased the Kissimmee home for a total of $545,000 in September 2020. It served as a rental property until she sold it in November 2021 for a $150,000 profit.

Here is what started the probe:

She and her husband, City Council President Nick Mosby, have been under federal investigation since at least February 2021, when the FBI issued subpoenas tied to their financial records.

The probe began after a city investigation into her travel by Inspector General Isabel Mercedes Cumming. Mosby requested the investigation herself, after she was criticized for failing to clear travel paid for by third parties, such as nonprofits, with Baltimore’s spending board. Cumming’s OIG report faulted her, but City Solicitor Jim Shea said in a legal opinion that the city’s policy on third party travel funding was unclear.

https://www.wypr.org/wypr-news/2022-01-13/marilyn-mosby-indicted-for-perjury-false-mortgage-applications

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They indicted her for taking hardship withdrawals from her own retirement account and for renting out a house that has a secondary home mortgage on it? Geez, even if that technically qualifies as a crime, that seems like weak tea.

Feds go harder after African-American elected officials (it's true). I can guarantee that others more prominent and powerful than her have done the same exact thing, but there's no probable cause to trigger a review of their finances. Feds definitely went on a fishing expedition for Mosby's finances. What triggered the probable cause?

Let me guess: you are one the the uber-leftist, social-justice prosecutors who do not think criminals should be prosecuted for any crime. Because: racism.

Amirite??

Nope, not at all. I think crime should be prosecuted.

But I do think this is a politically-motivated prosecution. The charge related to the retirement loan will clearly get tossed if Mosby has a half-decent lawyer. The entire episode reeks of politics.

Wait - you seriously believe the Biden-appointed United States attorney, working for Biden-appointee Merric Garland, is on a racist vendetta to imprison a Black prosecutor simply because she’s Black??

OMG.

Here is a simpler and more plausible rationale: Mosby knowingly committed fraud using Covid relief funds.

This is not true. She borrowed money from her own retirement accounts. This has nothing to do with relief funds or fraudulent PPP - that would be way worse than the current crimes she's accused of.

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Anonymous wrote:What triggered the review? It says the Feds asked for finances going back to 2014. You need probable cause to look at someone's mortgage documents. Did the bank report her? Further, how did they even identify that she had an agreement with a vacation rental management company?

I guarantee that the Feds are not looking at the mortgage financing documents of Senators, Governors, and other DAs. Many of whom have hinky stuff like this.

Also, I guarantee the retirement loan charge will get thrown out of court. That's a laughable charge. The language in the statute is so widely written you can drive a truck through it. I'm a federal employee who kept their job and my agency was sending all these emails about how we could tap our thrift balance for any impact related to COVID. If Mosby gave money to her family members during the pandemic, that's considered an economic impact. The burden of proof on this charge will be very high for the Feds to prove. It's a laughable charge.

She broke several laws.....And, she met NONE of the requirements for the withdrawal of money.

A question I have..... she reportedly made $150,000 on the sale of the first FL property. Why did she not pay of her taxes at that point?

According to charging documents, Mosby in May 2020 requested a one-time withdrawal of $40,000 from her city retirement account, falsely certifying under penalty of perjury that she had experienced financial hardship as a result of “being quarantined, furloughed or laid off,” “having reduced work hours,” “being unable to work due to lack of child care” or “the closing of reduction of hours of a business I own or operate.”

In fact, her 2020 salary was nearly $248,000 and was unaffected by the pandemic. “Rather than experiencing a reduction in income in 2020, Mosby’s gross salary in 2020 increased over her gross salary in 2019, which was $238,772.04,” charging documents say.

Mosby received $36,000 in withdrawal money and put it toward a down payment for a vacation home in Kissimmee, Fla. The indictment alleges that she lied in order to lower the mortgage’s interest rate: she purportedly told lenders it would serve as a second home, but a week earlier had signed an agreement with a vacation home management company to list the property for short-term rentals.

Mosby also allegedly lied to mortgage lenders about tax liabilities. The IRS filed a $45,022 lien against her in March 2020 for unpaid back taxes, but she did not disclose in the September 2020 application that she owed significant amounts of federal taxes nor that she was delinquent.

She purchased the Kissimmee home for a total of $545,000 in September 2020. It served as a rental property until she sold it in November 2021 for a $150,000 profit.

Here is what started the probe:

She and her husband, City Council President Nick Mosby, have been under federal investigation since at least February 2021, when the FBI issued subpoenas tied to their financial records.

The probe began after a city investigation into her travel by Inspector General Isabel Mercedes Cumming. Mosby requested the investigation herself, after she was criticized for failing to clear travel paid for by third parties, such as nonprofits, with Baltimore’s spending board. Cumming’s OIG report faulted her, but City Solicitor Jim Shea said in a legal opinion that the city’s policy on third party travel funding was unclear.

https://www.wypr.org/wypr-news/2022-01-13/marilyn-mosby-indicted-for-perjury-false-mortgage-applications

How do you know whether she or her husband never got COVID?

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Anonymous wrote:Note that the right wingers here are projecting.

Look, no one is defending the crimes or justifying this person's actions. how about the right wingers look in the mirror and hold your own accountable too?

Who? *looking around* what right-wingers?

The only thing I see on this thread are people projecting in defending Mosby. Claims that "senators do this all the time but no one looks at their books" is projecting.

Congressmen (both Dem and Rep) have definitely been brought down by federal investigations into their finances.