Question for VA Republicans re: public schools

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Anonymous wrote:He supports Trump, and the big lie, but distanced himself from it. He made up some CRT bullshit that isn’t real to scare white women. That it worked makes the lies successful, but he still clawed his way into office without a primary, without any real policy issues, and by telling lies. Hard to feel good about that.

Im ok with switching parties in leadership from time to time, but id rather it not be a Trump Republican. I just can’t trust people willing to tear down faith in democracy and politicizing a pandemic. Their just isn’t anything beneath people like that.

The fight against CRT in K-12 has been going on for about a two years. Only recently did it rear it's head in VA so Youngkin didn't make it up.

Forget about labels. Please articulate what specifically was being taught in VA classrooms that you think should stop.

Or is it the possibility that CRT may be taught in the future, as other posters have said?

The most common way CRT is showing up in K-12 is the teaching of anti-racism which is more often than not, racism. And the most common way anti-racism it taught it with books like Stamped by Kendi. Kendi advocates for discrimination against whites and attempts to indoctrinate kids with this belief in his book. His coauthor admitted this in an interview with Trevor Noah last year.

So now we are calling anti-racism “CRT”? Along with anti-bias training (from another post)? These have been around for a while now - why the new label?

Can you provide examples of how Kendi advocates for “discrimination against whites”? Because that’s different than “antiracist discrimination”.

How should we talk about racism and biases? What are the acceptable ways?

There are a lot and I don't have the time right now to look them up. Will later. But one was that white parents should not be adopting black children and are racist to do so. My cousin has two adopted black children that he loves and takes care of way better than their birth parents would have and I was quite taken aback by this comment. Basically Kendi doesn't like being a minority in the US and wants to tell everyone in the US who is in a majority (wouldn't be surprised if he went after Hispanics soon too) that they are subjugating black people regardless of what they do. Not every interaction between whites and blacks is racist, but Kendi doesn't see life this way.

Citation for the adoption reference?

That’s not what he’s saying here.
I’m challenging the idea that White parents of kids of color are inherently “not racist” and the bots completely change what I’m saying to “White parents of kids of color are inherently racist.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/DrIbram/status/1309926239407398913

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't like how your public school is run, why can't you just send your kids to private schools? Are you poor?

To date, I'm still OK with APS public schools, but I live in a nice area and our schools are close and pretty well rated. But we know we will never get financial aid for our kids, so we are super-funding our VA529 accounts to give each kid about $400K for college and graduate school. I teach them my morals and they let me know when their teachers are indoctrinating them with politics, they recognize it, keep quiet, and appreciate hearing a different point of view (but usually not well thought out). For example when a former Swanson teacher (now elsewhere but with APS) was very pro-Obama and played his political ads in the classroom or had the kids debate why the electoral college was racist. The teacher never once mentioned that it was an agreement between the states to protect small states' rights - my kid realized that was pretty bad. That is the main reason for the electoral college, and the teacher never brought it up as an explanation. We supplement with tutors as needed. We like most parents, just not the overly progressive ones (people don't know our politics,) who wear theirs on their sleeve or their very active virtue-signaling yard sign.

Yeah, there is an insane amount of political bias in our schools. I’m fine with it if they teach opposing viewpoints, but it is very heavily skewed in one direction.

Last year, our school didn’t have enough time to cover the entire Algebra curriculum due to virtual learning. I think they did about 70% of the material. Yet, somehow, they managed to fit in lessons that discussed the ‘Guiding Principles of BLM’ and they read Stamped by Kendi.

Algebra and (I presume) English are two different classes, so how does this equivocate? Unless you wanted your child's English teacher to somehow cede class time to the Math teacher?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this only for VA Republicans? Or can anyone answer?

I’ll bite though. Private schools would be a struggle for us. DH and so are solidly middle class and this is an expensive area. We’d rather save the money for college or use it for tutoring if we need to supplement our abysmal public school system.

But, I don’t understand the Democrats. Their attitude is that they (wealthy Dems) get school choice (private school) but everyone else is stuck in our dysfunctional public school system.

That's absolutely a joke. All democrats are wealthy and send their kids to private schools?

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Anonymous wrote:He supports Trump, and the big lie, but distanced himself from it. He made up some CRT bullshit that isn’t real to scare white women. That it worked makes the lies successful, but he still clawed his way into office without a primary, without any real policy issues, and by telling lies. Hard to feel good about that.

Im ok with switching parties in leadership from time to time, but id rather it not be a Trump Republican. I just can’t trust people willing to tear down faith in democracy and politicizing a pandemic. Their just isn’t anything beneath people like that.

The fight against CRT in K-12 has been going on for about a two years. Only recently did it rear it's head in VA so Youngkin didn't make it up.

Forget about labels. Please articulate what specifically was being taught in VA classrooms that you think should stop.

Or is it the possibility that CRT may be taught in the future, as other posters have said?

The most common way CRT is showing up in K-12 is the teaching of anti-racism which is more often than not, racism. And the most common way anti-racism it taught it with books like Stamped by Kendi. Kendi advocates for discrimination against whites and attempts to indoctrinate kids with this belief in his book. His coauthor admitted this in an interview with Trevor Noah last year.

So now we are calling anti-racism “CRT”? Along with anti-bias training (from another post)? These have been around for a while now - why the new label?

Can you provide examples of how Kendi advocates for “discrimination against whites”? Because that’s different than “antiracist discrimination”.

How should we talk about racism and biases? What are the acceptable ways?

There are a lot and I don't have the time right now to look them up. Will later. But one was that white parents should not be adopting black children and are racist to do so. My cousin has two adopted black children that he loves and takes care of way better than their birth parents would have and I was quite taken aback by this comment. Basically Kendi doesn't like being a minority in the US and wants to tell everyone in the US who is in a majority (wouldn't be surprised if he went after Hispanics soon too) that they are subjugating black people regardless of what they do. Not every interaction between whites and blacks is racist, but Kendi doesn't see life this way.

Citation for the adoption reference?

That’s not what he’s saying here.
I’m challenging the idea that White parents of kids of color are inherently “not racist” and the bots completely change what I’m saying to “White parents of kids of color are inherently racist.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/DrIbram/status/1309926239407398913

He sees racism in too many things. He wants society to focus on racism to the detriment of everything else. Excuse bad black behavior and blame every ill that befalls a black person on someone other than themselves. I get that he's saying that people can adopt a black person and still be racist, but he's as racist as they come so you can be black and racist too. So what? He was basically saying that white people shouldn't think they are helping the black community by adopting. What is really behind that is that he's afraid blacks will integrate too much with whites. It has nothing to do with their behavior and everything to do with his anti integration agenda. And in my world, if you adopt a poor black child and love them and care for them and don't commit a crime against blacks you are anti-racist enough to exist without my focus on your behavior as a potential racist. It's like he thinks he can police everyone's thoughts and actions and categorize them into a racist thought or an unracist thought and it's a project of how HIS mind works. For most of us, our thoughts are way more complex.

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Anonymous wrote:He supports Trump, and the big lie, but distanced himself from it. He made up some CRT bullshit that isn’t real to scare white women. That it worked makes the lies successful, but he still clawed his way into office without a primary, without any real policy issues, and by telling lies. Hard to feel good about that.

Im ok with switching parties in leadership from time to time, but id rather it not be a Trump Republican. I just can’t trust people willing to tear down faith in democracy and politicizing a pandemic. Their just isn’t anything beneath people like that.

The fight against CRT in K-12 has been going on for about a two years. Only recently did it rear it's head in VA so Youngkin didn't make it up.

Forget about labels. Please articulate what specifically was being taught in VA classrooms that you think should stop.

Or is it the possibility that CRT may be taught in the future, as other posters have said?

The most common way CRT is showing up in K-12 is the teaching of anti-racism which is more often than not, racism. And the most common way anti-racism it taught it with books like Stamped by Kendi. Kendi advocates for discrimination against whites and attempts to indoctrinate kids with this belief in his book. His coauthor admitted this in an interview with Trevor Noah last year.

For years parents complained teachers taught to the test. Please show me where in the SOLs there is any mention of CRT or “anti-racism.’l

And stop with the nonsense that anti-racism is in fact racism. That’s some Orwellian doublespeak right there. I am fully cognizant of the fascist impulses of right-wingers, but keep that stuff out of our schools. The irony here is palpable.

OMG, stop with this nonsense. You are in the minority with your way of thinking regarding the schools and that is why you lost. AGAIN, for the 1000th time, it does not matter whether CRT is referred to specifically anywhere. People see through what school boards thought was a sly angle to push the agenda regardless of what you call it. Have you not read these boards. These are not right-wingers upset with the school "stuff" being taught.

How should we talk about racism and biases?

What are the acceptable ways?

I would like math class to be about math and same for science, English, reading, spelling etc. I would like for elementary schools to pretty much focus on laying the groundwork for a solid education that the upper level schools can build on and not even lay so much of societies' issues on little kids. There is plenty of time for that. Teach the golden rule - treat others as you would like to be treated. Correct issues if and when they arise and use that as a teachable moment. I just do not think elementary kids need to be delving into societal issues just yet and sticking with straight up three Rs is a better approach to a well-educated child. Let middle school introduce these concepts and high school continue to encourage kids to really debate the issues and not just get a one-sided teachers' union/NEA agenda shoved down their throats.

So you think there should be no discussion about racism or biases in ES. Even for the teachers?

What about MS/HS?

Nope. How about teaching the little kids to just be nice to each other, help others and teach what being a good friend means ? That really sort of takes care of the issue for that age group. I addressed middle and high school. Why can't the base for further discussion be laid in a positive way? IMO, kids will be more likely to recognize and stand up against racism when the groundwork is positive and about being kind to everyone than making people feel bad and pointing out the differences in people from the time they are little. As they get older, then more examples and debate can take place.

I meant should the teachers (adults) get anti-bias training for themselves. Not something they would “teach” to kids. Anti-bias training has been around forever. When did that get controversial?

What does it mean to teach about racism “positively”?

What age would be appropriate for reading Kendi and other modern civil rights advocates?

Looks like a couple of people are answering here, but I will address your ?s regarding my PP.

IDK if teachers need anti-bias training. Do you know of a huge number of racist teachers? I would hope their training in general teaches them to treat all students equally and with respect. Seems like the time and money spent on this could be better directed at helping students lagging behind or needing other types of support from the school.

I don't think you teach racism positively, I think you teach children positively, at least at the elementary level. I mentioned about just teaching them to be good friends, help each other, be kind to each other, be good citizens. Highlight goals accomplished with people of all races working together and achieving a common goal. Reinforce the positives of everyone bringing something different culturally to the table and why that is good. Reinforce the ways we complement each other rather than the divisiveness. I don't think it should be part of the lessen plan, as I am much more about focusing on laying the groundwork that the rest of their schooling will be based on, but positive reinforcement and highlighting achievements when working together should be the underlying theme in the classroom at this age.

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The most common way CRT is showing up in K-12 is the teaching of anti-racism which is more often than not, racism. And the most common way anti-racism it taught it with books like Stamped by Kendi. Kendi advocates for discrimination against whites and attempts to indoctrinate kids with this belief in his book. His coauthor admitted this in an interview with Trevor Noah last year.

I feel like this line of argument confuses a lot of things, and they are worth untangling.

Stamped from the Beginning and the YA version Stamped are not inherently anti-racist books. They are history books, written from the perspective of significant figures in American history who were either BIPOC or whose actions had an impact on the history of racism, civil rights, etc. If you think about historical events, they were going to be experienced differently depending on where you "sit" in society. So encouraging kids to look at historical figures outside Washington, Jefferson, etc. has the potential to make history more interesting and to give a fuller perspective.

But people drag a bunch of other stuff from Dr. Kendi into the discussion that have nothing to do with Stamped, like his autobiography where he talks about his journey from trying to conform to white norms, to embracing Black nationalism as an undergraduate, to moving away from Black nationalism as he realized that it was not productive. It's a book written for adults, about his journey.

THEN, you have random stuff he says on Twitter.

But if you focus on what Virginia schools actually teach from Dr. Kendi, there's nothing there that folks should object to. It's just another way of looking at history but with different historical figures at the center.

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This guy gets it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/james-carville-knows-exactly-why-democrats-lost-on-tuesday/ar-AAQkF8v?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He supports Trump, and the big lie, but distanced himself from it. He made up some CRT bullshit that isn’t real to scare white women. That it worked makes the lies successful, but he still clawed his way into office without a primary, without any real policy issues, and by telling lies. Hard to feel good about that.

Im ok with switching parties in leadership from time to time, but id rather it not be a Trump Republican. I just can’t trust people willing to tear down faith in democracy and politicizing a pandemic. Their just isn’t anything beneath people like that.

The fight against CRT in K-12 has been going on for about a two years. Only recently did it rear it's head in VA so Youngkin didn't make it up.

Forget about labels. Please articulate what specifically was being taught in VA classrooms that you think should stop.

Or is it the possibility that CRT may be taught in the future, as other posters have said?

The most common way CRT is showing up in K-12 is the teaching of anti-racism which is more often than not, racism. And the most common way anti-racism it taught it with books like Stamped by Kendi. Kendi advocates for discrimination against whites and attempts to indoctrinate kids with this belief in his book. His coauthor admitted this in an interview with Trevor Noah last year.

For years parents complained teachers taught to the test. Please show me where in the SOLs there is any mention of CRT or “anti-racism.’l

And stop with the nonsense that anti-racism is in fact racism. That’s some Orwellian doublespeak right there. I am fully cognizant of the fascist impulses of right-wingers, but keep that stuff out of our schools. The irony here is palpable.

OMG, stop with this nonsense. You are in the minority with your way of thinking regarding the schools and that is why you lost. AGAIN, for the 1000th time, it does not matter whether CRT is referred to specifically anywhere. People see through what school boards thought was a sly angle to push the agenda regardless of what you call it. Have you not read these boards. These are not right-wingers upset with the school "stuff" being taught.

How should we talk about racism and biases?

What are the acceptable ways?

I would like math class to be about math and same for science, English, reading, spelling etc. I would like for elementary schools to pretty much focus on laying the groundwork for a solid education that the upper level schools can build on and not even lay so much of societies' issues on little kids. There is plenty of time for that. Teach the golden rule - treat others as you would like to be treated. Correct issues if and when they arise and use that as a teachable moment. I just do not think elementary kids need to be delving into societal issues just yet and sticking with straight up three Rs is a better approach to a well-educated child. Let middle school introduce these concepts and high school continue to encourage kids to really debate the issues and not just get a one-sided teachers' union/NEA agenda shoved down their throats.

So you think there should be no discussion about racism or biases in ES. Even for the teachers?

What about MS/HS?

NP and yes these things can be discussed but not the way bizarre ways that have come up over the past couple of years. Most of them are weird and so out there that I can't imagine any non white student being comfortable while a teacher bungles their way through weird lessons and strange exercises. I remember that video of that poor kid that was suckered into a conversation in I think Loudon co. which a teacher who was trying to get him to say that one person was white and one person was black. I mean do people really think a classroom exercise like that randomly done once a year is even remotely helpful???

And is a constant barrage of everything is racist, you can't achieve because of racism, you didn't do well because of racism, really the message we want to send to young kids. What happens when they start believing that? and start thinking Oh well, I guess even if I stick with it, or try a different way, or put more effort it won't matter because of racism anyone so....
Maybe that is not the intent of what an adult is trying to convey but children think and perceive differently than an adult. I don't trust woke liberals to be able to discuss racism in a way that doesn't then paint non-whites as left at the mercy of racism no matter their achievements, no matter their effort.

History and social studies texts defiantly should be reviewed and updated. They should incorporate more than just white historical figures.
Books and literature in school libraries and classrooms should be reviewed as well and those with outdated ideas should be replaced and there should be an emphasis on a wider variety of authors. Stick to literature, general fiction, and non-fiction. Or better yet, reduce the holdings of school libraries, and increase the space available for study space. We have so many really great public libraries in this area that we are duplicating efforts with school libraries these days. Couple that with how much is available digitally. Students and librarians can do interlibrary loan for books from the public library if needed.

Stop celebrating African American month and instead make the focus on incorporating them into an everyday part of education so you don't need to just spend 30 days on it but it's woven into learning all year.

Stop saying "the first Black" so and so in news stories. Why do we still do this? Why in 2021 do we not expect people who are Black to achieve positions of importance or have amazing achievements? The same with women. We shouldn't be surprised by these things now, we should expect them.

[Anonymous]

people are rightly angry after schools being closed for so long. you shouldnt be surprised republicans are trying to tap into that. i am eager to vote bowser out of office over what she did to our kids.

[Anonymous]

You know Terry Mc went to private schools, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He supports Trump, and the big lie, but distanced himself from it. He made up some CRT bullshit that isn’t real to scare white women. That it worked makes the lies successful, but he still clawed his way into office without a primary, without any real policy issues, and by telling lies. Hard to feel good about that.

Im ok with switching parties in leadership from time to time, but id rather it not be a Trump Republican. I just can’t trust people willing to tear down faith in democracy and politicizing a pandemic. Their just isn’t anything beneath people like that.

The fight against CRT in K-12 has been going on for about a two years. Only recently did it rear it's head in VA so Youngkin didn't make it up.

Forget about labels. Please articulate what specifically was being taught in VA classrooms that you think should stop.

Or is it the possibility that CRT may be taught in the future, as other posters have said?

The most common way CRT is showing up in K-12 is the teaching of anti-racism which is more often than not, racism. And the most common way anti-racism it taught it with books like Stamped by Kendi. Kendi advocates for discrimination against whites and attempts to indoctrinate kids with this belief in his book. His coauthor admitted this in an interview with Trevor Noah last year.

So now we are calling anti-racism “CRT”? Along with anti-bias training (from another post)? These have been around for a while now - why the new label?

Can you provide examples of how Kendi advocates for “discrimination against whites”? Because that’s different than “antiracist discrimination”.

How should we talk about racism and biases? What are the acceptable ways?

There are a lot and I don't have the time right now to look them up. Will later. But one was that white parents should not be adopting black children and are racist to do so. My cousin has two adopted black children that he loves and takes care of way better than their birth parents would have and I was quite taken aback by this comment. Basically Kendi doesn't like being a minority in the US and wants to tell everyone in the US who is in a majority (wouldn't be surprised if he went after Hispanics soon too) that they are subjugating black people regardless of what they do. Not every interaction between whites and blacks is racist, but Kendi doesn't see life this way.

Citation for the adoption reference?

That’s not what he’s saying here.
I’m challenging the idea that White parents of kids of color are inherently “not racist” and the bots completely change what I’m saying to “White parents of kids of color are inherently racist.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/DrIbram/status/1309926239407398913

He sees racism in too many things. He wants society to focus on racism to the detriment of everything else. Excuse bad black behavior and blame every ill that befalls a black person on someone other than themselves. I get that he's saying that people can adopt a black person and still be racist, but he's as racist as they come so you can be black and racist too. So what? He was basically saying that white people shouldn't think they are helping the black community by adopting. What is really behind that is that he's afraid blacks will integrate too much with whites. It has nothing to do with their behavior and everything to do with his anti integration agenda. And in my world, if you adopt a poor black child and love them and care for them and don't commit a crime against blacks you are anti-racist enough to exist without my focus on your behavior as a potential racist. It's like he thinks he can police everyone's thoughts and actions and categorize them into a racist thought or an unracist thought and it's a project of how HIS mind works. For most of us, our thoughts are way more complex.

That is actually something he has talked about. He thinks it boils down to a bunch of choices we all make. Some of those choices can be racist (as he has made himself) and some can be anti-racist (such as adopting a black child). He’s saying do you best for as many choices as you can. “And, over time, make more and more anti-racist choices.“.

He’s saying that just because someone adopts a black child that doesn’t automatically make all of their other choices anti-racist. Basically, it’s complicated and hard but we should keep trying.

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/23/927100641/racism-is-death-anti-racism-is-life-says-author-ibram-kendi

[Anonymous]

And if you have a different citation about interracial adoptions please share.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You know Terry Mc went to private schools, right?

His kids went to public.

[Anonymous]

you can't achieve because of racism, you didn't do well because of racism

Where are hearing this message?

Examples?

[Anonymous]

You know Terry Mc went to private schools, right?


His kids went to public.

False. Four of McAuliffe's five kids went to private HS.