Should we just stop having public school board meetings?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't you want accountability from elected officials?

Death threats and harassment isn't "accountability".

That's part and parcel of politics. Politics isn't nice.

Death threats and harassment are not "part and parcel" of politics. In a democracy, politics should be about persuasion, not intimidation.

Can you name any time in American politics where that has been true?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't you want accountability from elected officials?

Death threats and harassment isn't "accountability".

That's part and parcel of politics. Politics isn't nice.

Death threats and harassment are not "part and parcel" of politics. In a democracy, politics should be about persuasion, not intimidation.

Can you name any time in American politics where that has been true?

Are you arguing that intimidation is a legitimate political tactic?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Radicalized school boards are the problem.

Even San Francisco has finally admitted it.

The FFX and Loudoun boards are hopelessly radicalized. It is ridiculous how out of touch they really are.

The only solution is to vote out every last one of them.

"I don't like the FFX and Loudon school boards" would have been just as informative and required you to type fewer words.

There are people I disagree with; some I may dislike. The SB in Loudoun and FFX are next-level crazy (as in: insanely radical).

Far to the left of The Squad. They need to do the honorable thing and resign.

How on earth are they radically left? They've done nothing except make the divide between wealthy and poor school districts as big as ever, which is the usual conservative approach. And conservatives can't deny that, because I'm certain that no conservative is going to be voting for a candidate that supports real blending of poor and wealthy school districts.

It's actually hilarious that people really believe they are radical lefties. They are great at paying lip service and with grand gestures that change nothing (TJ, Lewis, school renaming, using the term equity constantly), but they will never shift boundaries in a way that angers a significant portion of rich home owners.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't you want accountability from elected officials?

Death threats and harassment isn't "accountability".

That's part and parcel of politics. Politics isn't nice.

Death threats and harassment are not "part and parcel" of politics. In a democracy, politics should be about persuasion, not intimidation.

Can you name any time in American politics where that has been true?

Are you arguing that intimidation is a legitimate political tactic?

I'm argument that in this democracy, there has never been this idealized time period where politics was about persuasion not intimidation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why not just hold them in private or something?

Um, because the boards conduct public business subject to public open meetings laws.

yes, they'd have to change the rules about meetings, but I don't blame the thought. Some folks can't seem to control themselves. I wouldn't want to be a BOE member with all the threats and low pay.

While there have been some over the top responses, can you really blame the parents? Some B's of E are making terrible decisions and harming kids. It's only natural for parents to want to protect their kids.

yes.. what the BOE are doing does not threaten lives.

Some of the parents have threatened the BOE, egged their homes, slashed tires, etc.. That's insane. Great role models they are to their kids.

Then we should make the meetings private and the membership anonymous. Not sure how we would vote on rhe members, so I guess they would be appointed by secret committee.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't you want accountability from elected officials?

Death threats and harassment isn't "accountability".

That's part and parcel of politics. Politics isn't nice.

Bullsh1t. That’s illegal POS behavior.

Still happens though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why not just hold them in private or something?

Sure. Let's allow congress and state and local legislatures to do the same. We'll be North Korea in a decade.

Exactly what most Democrats seem to want: Communism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't you want accountability from elected officials?

Death threats and harassment isn't "accountability".

That's part and parcel of politics. Politics isn't nice.

Death threats and harassment are not "part and parcel" of politics. In a democracy, politics should be about persuasion, not intimidation.

Can you name any time in American politics where that has been true?

NP.

Your ignorance of American history is breathtaking - especially your lack of knowledge of the civil rights era and the labor movement before that.

[Anonymous]

No you can't have school board meetings outside of the public eye. Here in Fairfax County our school board actually added religious holidays to the public school calendar which took away 15 days of learning. Who knows what other extreme policies they would implement with zero accountability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No you can't have school board meetings outside of the public eye. Here in Fairfax County our school board actually added religious holidays to the public school calendar which took away 15 days of learning. Who knows what other extreme policies they would implement with zero accountability.

The current school board is radicalized. Their views are extreme, and not in line with most of the community.

They should do the honorable thing and resign.

[Anonymous]

Only a radical could make that statement with a straight face.

The SB here is liberal, sure, but they've implemented few things that would be considered radical (see: any boundary change discussion of the past forever years, or the example of spending tens of millions to expand a school when a school with capacity is available right next door).

The only way you can perceive this SB as radical is if you're so far right that anything remotely left-of-center is considered "radical" to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't you want accountability from elected officials?

Death threats and harassment isn't "accountability".

That's part and parcel of politics. Politics isn't nice.

Death threats and harassment are not "part and parcel" of politics. In a democracy, politics should be about persuasion, not intimidation.

Can you name any time in American politics where that has been true?

Are you arguing that intimidation is a legitimate political tactic?

Organizations with millions of members and lots of cash seem to think so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why not just hold them in private or something?

Um, because the boards conduct public business subject to public open meetings laws.

yes, they'd have to change the rules about meetings, but I don't blame the thought. Some folks can't seem to control themselves. I wouldn't want to be a BOE member with all the threats and low pay.

While there have been some over the top responses, can you really blame the parents? Some B's of E are making terrible decisions and harming kids. It's only natural for parents to want to protect their kids.

Can you give an example? Thanks

DP.

Why should we allow this at SB meetings?

Huh? I don’t agree with the public speaker, but it was entirely inappropriate for the school board to interrupt her while reading the excerpt from the book.

I don't know that it was... it seems like if this topic needs to be addressed and discussed, it should be done in a forum restricted to 18+, e.g. a separate public comment period. If you want to argue 13+ because technically HS kids have access to this book in the library, then you are conflating "some kids have access to these materials if they explicitly seek them out" with "let's read this out loud to everyone".

I'm curious what the library checkout records are on these materials... what percentage of students are _actually_ going and checking out the books in question? Technically they could read without checking out, I'm majorly skeptical that any kids are sneaking around the library just to read a few text passages when they could was more easily obtain illicit imagery or videos elsewhere (if they're so inclined).

I’m on the fence about reading the passages out loud during a holiday board meeting.
I don’t know these books in question. But I read Maya Angelou’s “I know why a Caged Bird Sings” when I was in high school (required reading as part of English class). It describes her sexual abuse as a child. I didn’t think it was inappropriate or wrong, granted I was 16 or so.
If the books are promoting pedophilia, it’s wrong. If they are memoirs, that’s different.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not just hold them in private or something?

Um, because the boards conduct public business subject to public open meetings laws.

yes, they'd have to change the rules about meetings, but I don't blame the thought. Some folks can't seem to control themselves. I wouldn't want to be a BOE member with all the threats and low pay.

While there have been some over the top responses, can you really blame the parents? Some B's of E are making terrible decisions and harming kids. It's only natural for parents to want to protect their kids.

Can you give an example? Thanks

DP.

Why should we allow this at SB meetings?

Huh? I don’t agree with the public speaker, but it was entirely inappropriate for the school board to interrupt her while reading the excerpt from the book.

I don't know that it was... it seems like if this topic needs to be addressed and discussed, it should be done in a forum restricted to 18+, e.g. a separate public comment period. If you want to argue 13+ because technically HS kids have access to this book in the library, then you are conflating "some kids have access to these materials if they explicitly seek them out" with "let's read this out loud to everyone".

I'm curious what the library checkout records are on these materials... what percentage of students are _actually_ going and checking out the books in question? Technically they could read without checking out, I'm majorly skeptical that any kids are sneaking around the library just to read a few text passages when they could was more easily obtain illicit imagery or videos elsewhere (if they're so inclined).

The bolded is a lie.


https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1037570.page

But PP knew it was a lie when she posted her lie.

Moreover, the book is appropriate for children or it’s not.

It was deliberately placed in a library for children.

The idea that the same adults responsible for putting the book there somehow cannot handle hearing a passage read aloud is an obvious indication there may be something extreme or inappropriate.

The school board members have been radicalized.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not just hold them in private or something?

Um, because the boards conduct public business subject to public open meetings laws.

yes, they'd have to change the rules about meetings, but I don't blame the thought. Some folks can't seem to control themselves. I wouldn't want to be a BOE member with all the threats and low pay.

While there have been some over the top responses, can you really blame the parents? Some B's of E are making terrible decisions and harming kids. It's only natural for parents to want to protect their kids.

Can you give an example? Thanks

DP.

Why should we allow this at SB meetings?

Huh? I don’t agree with the public speaker, but it was entirely inappropriate for the school board to interrupt her while reading the excerpt from the book.

I don't know that it was... it seems like if this topic needs to be addressed and discussed, it should be done in a forum restricted to 18+, e.g. a separate public comment period. If you want to argue 13+ because technically HS kids have access to this book in the library, then you are conflating "some kids have access to these materials if they explicitly seek them out" with "let's read this out loud to everyone".

I'm curious what the library checkout records are on these materials... what percentage of students are _actually_ going and checking out the books in question? Technically they could read without checking out, I'm majorly skeptical that any kids are sneaking around the library just to read a few text passages when they could was more easily obtain illicit imagery or videos elsewhere (if they're so inclined).

The bolded is a lie.


https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1037570.page

But PP knew it was a lie when she posted her lie.

Moreover, the book is appropriate for children or it’s not.

It was deliberately placed in a library for children.

The idea that the same adults responsible for putting the book there somehow cannot handle hearing a passage read aloud is an obvious indication there may be something extreme or inappropriate.

The school board members have been radicalized.

Do you think the BoE knows of and approves every single title in the school library? They do not.
Also, the issue wasn’t that the adults couldn’t hear that kind of language; there were young children in the audience. That was the issue.
The books in question are not in an elementary library, or middle school. They are in a high school library, where the vast majority of kids have already been exposed to sex in movies.
I don’t know the books in question, so I’m not going to weigh in on whether they should or shouldn’t be in a high school library.