What’s going on with the two bills?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's amazing to see Democrats President and congress members actually willing to compromise to make things work. Seems like we are heading towards normal governance.

When will GOP learn to be adultlike?

Your takeaway from this is that the GOP is the problem? Get real. The Democrats are basically tearing themselves apart largely due to the idiocy of progressives like Jayapal, who wasn’t even a citizen until 2020.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like neither bill will survive.

Infrastructure would if they would unshackle it from that bloated Build Back Better bill.

Its already done the hard part of passing the Senate. The House is a rubber-stamp and they already have GOP support anyway.

What is bloated about it? It is $3.5T over 10 Years that is generally revenue neutral, so it is drop in the bucket compared to the unfunded 2017 tax cuts, which have ballooned our debt by $8T.

Too much shackled to actual Infrastructure that no one wants. Including $1.8 Trillion that they haven't even explained what they want to do with. They've had 8 months, stop hanging us up.

You cut these three things, its $2.6 trillion in expenditures gone, and a lean $900 billion 'Build Back Better' proposal which still tackles environmental concerns and clean energy. Which is INFRASTRUCTURE.

$1.8 trillion for the Finance Committee. This part of the bill is for investments in working families, the elderly, and the environment. It includes a tax cut for Americans making less than $400,000 a year, lowering the price of prescription drugs, and ensuring the wealthy and large corporations pay their fair share of taxes.

$726 billion for the Health, Labor, Education, and Pensions Committee. This addresses universal pre-K for 3- and 4-year-olds, childcare for working families, tuition-free community college, funding for historically black colleges and universities, and an expansion of the Pell Grant for higher education.

$107 billion for the Judiciary Committee. These funds address establishing "lawful permanent status for qualified immigrants."

People do want this stuff.

https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/new-initiative-explores-deep-persistent-divides-between-biden-and-trump-voters/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like neither bill will survive.

Infrastructure would if they would unshackle it from that bloated Build Back Better bill.

Its already done the hard part of passing the Senate. The House is a rubber-stamp and they already have GOP support anyway.

What is bloated about it? It is $3.5T over 10 Years that is generally revenue neutral, so it is drop in the bucket compared to the unfunded 2017 tax cuts, which have ballooned our debt by $8T.

Too much shackled to actual Infrastructure that no one wants. Including $1.8 Trillion that they haven't even explained what they want to do with. They've had 8 months, stop hanging us up.

You cut these three things, its $2.6 trillion in expenditures gone, and a lean $900 billion 'Build Back Better' proposal which still tackles environmental concerns and clean energy. Which is INFRASTRUCTURE.

$1.8 trillion for the Finance Committee. This part of the bill is for investments in working families, the elderly, and the environment. It includes a tax cut for Americans making less than $400,000 a year, lowering the price of prescription drugs, and ensuring the wealthy and large corporations pay their fair share of taxes.

$726 billion for the Health, Labor, Education, and Pensions Committee. This addresses universal pre-K for 3- and 4-year-olds, childcare for working families, tuition-free community college, funding for historically black colleges and universities, and an expansion of the Pell Grant for higher education.

$107 billion for the Judiciary Committee. These funds address establishing "lawful permanent status for qualified immigrants."

People do want this stuff.

https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/new-initiative-explores-deep-persistent-divides-between-biden-and-trump-voters/

Did you even notice that the top four responses for Agree/Strongly Agree all had to do with physical infrastructure and climate change as BRF/energy? The social welfare policies dropped 5-20% in approval rankings.

[Anonymous]

And I’m specifically talking about Biden voters, not Trump.

[Anonymous]

Can someone enlighten me - even if the Democrats come to agreement on a number for the BBB bill and pass it in the House, what’s to stop the GOP from filibustering it? They’ll never get 60 votes to get it to a vote, someone of the 50 will always debate it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone enlighten me - even if the Democrats come to agreement on a number for the BBB bill and pass it in the House, what’s to stop the GOP from filibustering it? They’ll never get 60 votes to get it to a vote, someone of the 50 will always debate it.

They can pass the BBB bill in reconciliation with only 50 votes + Harris.

[Anonymous]

Oh, well......Infrastructure must not be that important to Democrats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone enlighten me - even if the Democrats come to agreement on a number for the BBB bill and pass it in the House, what’s to stop the GOP from filibustering it? They’ll never get 60 votes to get it to a vote, someone of the 50 will always debate it.

They can pass the BBB bill in reconciliation with only 50 votes + Harris.

Ahh okay thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like neither bill will survive.

Infrastructure would if they would unshackle it from that bloated Build Back Better bill.

Its already done the hard part of passing the Senate. The House is a rubber-stamp and they already have GOP support anyway.

What is bloated about it? It is $3.5T over 10 Years that is generally revenue neutral, so it is drop in the bucket compared to the unfunded 2017 tax cuts, which have ballooned our debt by $8T.

Too much shackled to actual Infrastructure that no one wants. Including $1.8 Trillion that they haven't even explained what they want to do with. They've had 8 months, stop hanging us up.

You cut these three things, its $2.6 trillion in expenditures gone, and a lean $900 billion 'Build Back Better' proposal which still tackles environmental concerns and clean energy. Which is INFRASTRUCTURE.

$1.8 trillion for the Finance Committee. This part of the bill is for investments in working families, the elderly, and the environment. It includes a tax cut for Americans making less than $400,000 a year, lowering the price of prescription drugs, and ensuring the wealthy and large corporations pay their fair share of taxes.

$726 billion for the Health, Labor, Education, and Pensions Committee. This addresses universal pre-K for 3- and 4-year-olds, childcare for working families, tuition-free community college, funding for historically black colleges and universities, and an expansion of the Pell Grant for higher education.

$107 billion for the Judiciary Committee. These funds address establishing "lawful permanent status for qualified immigrants."

People do want this stuff.

https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/new-initiative-explores-deep-persistent-divides-between-biden-and-trump-voters/

Poll was conducted July 22 to August 4. Wonder what the results would be if conducted today.

[Anonymous]

When the progressive caucus is working to pass the president's agenda and is getting resistance from others in their own party, that tells you that this president is no moderate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like neither bill will survive.

Infrastructure would if they would unshackle it from that bloated Build Back Better bill.

Its already done the hard part of passing the Senate. The House is a rubber-stamp and they already have GOP support anyway.

What is bloated about it? It is $3.5T over 10 Years that is generally revenue neutral, so it is drop in the bucket compared to the unfunded 2017 tax cuts, which have ballooned our debt by $8T.

Too much shackled to actual Infrastructure that no one wants. Including $1.8 Trillion that they haven't even explained what they want to do with. They've had 8 months, stop hanging us up.

You cut these three things, its $2.6 trillion in expenditures gone, and a lean $900 billion 'Build Back Better' proposal which still tackles environmental concerns and clean energy. Which is INFRASTRUCTURE.

$1.8 trillion for the Finance Committee. This part of the bill is for investments in working families, the elderly, and the environment. It includes a tax cut for Americans making less than $400,000 a year, lowering the price of prescription drugs, and ensuring the wealthy and large corporations pay their fair share of taxes.

$726 billion for the Health, Labor, Education, and Pensions Committee. This addresses universal pre-K for 3- and 4-year-olds, childcare for working families, tuition-free community college, funding for historically black colleges and universities, and an expansion of the Pell Grant for higher education.

$107 billion for the Judiciary Committee. These funds address establishing "lawful permanent status for qualified immigrants."

People do want this stuff.

https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/new-initiative-explores-deep-persistent-divides-between-biden-and-trump-voters/

Poll was conducted July 22 to August 4. Wonder what the results would be if conducted today.

There’s tons of polling on the components of these bills. Go find some.

[Anonymous]

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Did you even notice that the top four responses for Agree/Strongly Agree all had to do with physical infrastructure and climate change as BRF/energy? The social welfare policies dropped 5-20% in approval rankings.

But the GOP didn't agree to have those in teh bi-partisan bill so they need to be in the reconciliation bill.

Did you notice that everything on this list is popular even with Trump voters?

[Anonymous]

What a mess.....

[Anonymous]

Why is it a mess on the Dems plate when the GOP could have, with the Dems who voted for it, passed the bill? GOP didn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is it a mess on the Dems plate when the GOP could have, with the Dems who voted for it, passed the bill? GOP didn't.

The GOP WOULD HAVE voted for the infrastructure bill, but Nancy never brought it up for a vote.
The progressives (and Nancy) are holding it hostage.