Kinda disgusted by the postmortem canonization of John McCain

[Anonymous]

What I always knew:

https://theintercept.com/2017/07/27/john-mccain-fake-maverick-horrible-record/

Calling a child ugly?

Being utterly callous toward the deaths of millions of brown people?

Riding his silver spoon every chance he got?

Maverick. Whatever.

[Anonymous]

Agreed. He may have had some honorable things in his past, but he was also a pretty scummy guy in other areas, and kind of a sh!tty career politician.

[Anonymous]

It’s a social tradition when someone dies to focus on the progress. Just respect it, don’t go to cnn.com, and recognize that the scrutiny that all politicians are subject to will happen in due time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s a social tradition when someone dies to focus on the progress. Just respect it, don’t go to cnn.com, and recognize that the scrutiny that all politicians are subject to will happen in due time.

So you think if Trump, for instance, dies, a similarly hushed reaction would be warranted?

[Anonymous]

I agree. I think the treatment/canonization exists in part because of our current commander in chief. All of sudden, Bush, Romney and McCain seem like saints!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a social tradition when someone dies to focus on the progress. Just respect it, don’t go to cnn.com, and recognize that the scrutiny that all politicians are subject to will happen in due time.

So you think if Trump, for instance, dies, a similarly hushed reaction would be warranted?

I don’t think it’s ‘warrented’ for Trump, but, yes, I think many critics would take a few days off out of social norms and a sense of decency. No harm in it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a social tradition when someone dies to focus on the progress. Just respect it, don’t go to cnn.com, and recognize that the scrutiny that all politicians are subject to will happen in due time.

So you think if Trump, for instance, dies, a similarly hushed reaction would be warranted?

Different poster, but yes I do. There is no need to malign someone immediately after death. We are all human and we all have our faults. If you choose not to mourn that is up to you, but it is best to say nothing and allow those who mourn to focus on the good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a social tradition when someone dies to focus on the progress. Just respect it, don’t go to cnn.com, and recognize that the scrutiny that all politicians are subject to will happen in due time.

So you think if Trump, for instance, dies, a similarly hushed reaction would be warranted?

No, we don’t celebrate traitors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a social tradition when someone dies to focus on the progress. Just respect it, don’t go to cnn.com, and recognize that the scrutiny that all politicians are subject to will happen in due time.

So you think if Trump, for instance, dies, a similarly hushed reaction would be warranted?

Different poster, but yes I do. There is no need to malign someone immediately after death. We are all human and we all have our faults. If you choose not to mourn that is up to you, but it is best to say nothing and allow those who mourn to focus on the good.

NP. Agree. And was it really necessary for OP to start a thread less than 48 hours after McCain's death to stsrt crapping on him?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a social tradition when someone dies to focus on the progress. Just respect it, don’t go to cnn.com, and recognize that the scrutiny that all politicians are subject to will happen in due time.

So you think if Trump, for instance, dies, a similarly hushed reaction would be warranted?

I honestly don't know but I think that is the difference between the men. McCain tried to be a respectful person who didn't call names and act like an angry petty jerk most of the time. Even Trump's supporters acknowledge that he can be mean and unpleasant a lot of the time.

If you treat people like crap and make a name for yourself putting people down and calling them names then I don't know that you should expect reverence at your death.

Were people quiet and respectful when Nixon died? Nixon is like the less noxious version of Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a social tradition when someone dies to focus on the progress. Just respect it, don’t go to cnn.com, and recognize that the scrutiny that all politicians are subject to will happen in due time.

So you think if Trump, for instance, dies, a similarly hushed reaction would be warranted?

Different poster, but yes I do. There is no need to malign someone immediately after death. We are all human and we all have our faults. If you choose not to mourn that is up to you, but it is best to say nothing and allow those who mourn to focus on the good.

NP. Agree. And was it really necessary for OP to start a thread less than 48 hours after McCain's death to stsrt crapping on him?

McCain crapped on himself with his actions.

[Anonymous]

I despised Reagan, but when his funeral procession went down the Mall, I declined to rant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a social tradition when someone dies to focus on the progress. Just respect it, don’t go to cnn.com, and recognize that the scrutiny that all politicians are subject to will happen in due time.

So you think if Trump, for instance, dies, a similarly hushed reaction would be warranted?

I honestly don't know but I think that is the difference between the men. McCain tried to be a respectful person who didn't call names and act like an angry petty jerk most of the time. Even Trump's supporters acknowledge that he can be mean and unpleasant a lot of the time.

If you treat people like crap and make a name for yourself putting people down and calling them names then I don't know that you should expect reverence at your death.

Were people quiet and respectful when Nixon died? Nixon is like the less noxious version of Trump.

But the thing is that you can be a lovely, respectful person to the people around you (let's agree, for the sake of the argument, that he was), and STILL push for terrible policies that result in death and harm to untold numbers of people. Should this be ignored just because some people love you as a person?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a social tradition when someone dies to focus on the progress. Just respect it, don’t go to cnn.com, and recognize that the scrutiny that all politicians are subject to will happen in due time.

So you think if Trump, for instance, dies, a similarly hushed reaction would be warranted?

Different poster, but yes I do. There is no need to malign someone immediately after death. We are all human and we all have our faults. If you choose not to mourn that is up to you, but it is best to say nothing and allow those who mourn to focus on the good.

NP. Agree. And was it really necessary for OP to start a thread less than 48 hours after McCain's death to stsrt crapping on him?

Nothing is necessary. I mean, DCUM is not necessary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a social tradition when someone dies to focus on the progress. Just respect it, don’t go to cnn.com, and recognize that the scrutiny that all politicians are subject to will happen in due time.

So you think if Trump, for instance, dies, a similarly hushed reaction would be warranted?

I honestly don't know but I think that is the difference between the men. McCain tried to be a respectful person who didn't call names and act like an angry petty jerk most of the time. Even Trump's supporters acknowledge that he can be mean and unpleasant a lot of the time.

If you treat people like crap and make a name for yourself putting people down and calling them names then I don't know that you should expect reverence at your death.

Were people quiet and respectful when Nixon died? Nixon is like the less noxious version of Trump.

But the thing is that you can be a lovely, respectful person to the people around you (let's agree, for the sake of the argument, that he was), and STILL push for terrible policies that result in death and harm to untold numbers of people. Should this be ignored just because some people love you as a person?

Maybe not ignored but something like that can definitely be pushed to the side for a few days while his family buries him.