Kinda disgusted by the postmortem canonization of John McCain

[Anonymous]

I agree with your general sentiment OP, but I very much dislike the tone of that article.

Why would there be mention of McCain's nickname in highschool? The guy was 80 for goodness sake! When you have to go that far to dig up "dirt", ...

And then the same article would like his "undoubted bravery in Vietnam from five decades ago" to take a back seat. The author of that article is a petty bastard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a social tradition when someone dies to focus on the progress. Just respect it, don’t go to cnn.com, and recognize that the scrutiny that all politicians are subject to will happen in due time.

So you think if Trump, for instance, dies, a similarly hushed reaction would be warranted?

Nothing is warranted for the conman! He gets what he dishes out!

Pretty sure McCain's (as well as HRC's, GWB's, etc.) body count dwarfs Trump's and will for quite a while. Personally, I care more about actual famage, including death, inflicted on actual people than I do about Trump's imagined slights of vague concepts like 'norms' cherished by those who have a long history of looking the other way when their fellow humans suffer.

Nothing pro-Trump about that, just trying to re-inject some reality into the discussion.

+1. Although the norm shredding and corruption and breaking the law will harm us in a much more concrete way then the warmongering, but perhaps we deserve it. Perhaps it’s time that we starting paying for our decisions.

Something tells me this is what you want to happen. You seem to think Trump is some aberration and that corruption is unheard of in the halls of power. Corruption is American as apple pie. Do you not get that the DOD is all about corruption? Do you not get that both the cause and the 'remedy' for the GFC were all about corruption? Trump may be awful, but you're fooling yourself if you think he's some uniquely malign force in American politics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is striking and sad that people here are making scummy, small minded attacks on this man.

I agree. A thread set up 36 hours after his death for the sole purpose of crapping all over him. And DCUM posters only to happen to jump in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I always knew:

https://theintercept.com/2017/07/27/john-mccain-fake-maverick-horrible-record/

Calling a child ugly?

Being utterly callous toward the deaths of millions of brown people?

Riding his silver spoon every chance he got?

Maverick. Whatever.

just emailed to schumer's entire legislative team in dc. what a fraud

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is striking and sad that people here are making scummy, small minded attacks on this man.

I agree. A thread set up 36 hours after his death for the sole purpose of crapping all over him. And DCUM posters only to happen to jump in.

Hey folks, Trump isn't the only public figure that is massively over-exposed by a lazy media or the only public figure to hint at racism or the only public figure to have been callous and cavalier with others' lives. All those things apply to McCain, too, and some of us for that very reason find the hagiography offensive.

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Anonymous wrote:McCain lost all respect in my book when he torpedoed the Obamacare repeal not because he believed it was the right thing to do, but because he wanted to stick it to Trump. He was a sore and vindictive loser who, much like Romney, deeply resented the fact that Trump won the presidency when he himself has lost. Now he is suddenly the darling of the liberal media. He should have resigned his seat long ago. He has not been in Washington since December, yet held on to his seat again to thwart Trump and stroke his own ego even though it was not in the interest of the American people or the State of Arizona. It is absurd that he will lie in state, and that he continues to make political statements through his funeral. Not much honor in that.

Stopped "skinny" repeal because it was cheap insincere legislative trick by McConnel. He is NOT the darling of the far left, which has attacked him, but of all those who are proud of America and its greatness - which includes, yes, both liberal and neoconservatives.


And making statements to help our republic is the peak of honor.

you mean neoliberal.

[Anonymous]

Whether McCain knew it or not, he had a big part to play in the rise of Trump. It was ushered by the rise of Sarah Palin.

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Anonymous wrote:Whether McCain knew it or not, he had a big part to play in the rise of Trump. It was ushered by the rise of Sarah Palin.

No. The Dems gave us Donald Trump. Some pundit commented on twitter today that McCain was smeared by the media (who had liked him, but fell in love with Obama) and he took the high road. Then, Romney was smeared by the media and didn't fight back (remember the expose in WAPO about how he was a "bully" in high school? Front page column) and, yet, he didn't fight back. Obama's joke about the '80's calling for their foreign policy was soooo funny to the media--and, they, too, mocked Romney. And, no matter what anyone says, it was odd when Romney challenged Obama's comments about Benghazi that Candy Crowley had a paper in hand to "prove" him wrong.

So, the media smears the GOP candidates no matter what. And, so, the GOP figured they wanted someone who would fight back.

Also, on another note, John Lewis tweeted out a glowing comment on John McCain. Funny, since he compared him to George Wallace during the 2008 campaign.

[Anonymous]

Who the hell ever called McCain a liberal? He was less loony than trump and every other 2016 republicanprimary candidate except kasich, less harmful than Mitch, about as useful as Lindsay, less idiotic than anyone from OK or Texas, or Jesse Helms or Strom if go back far enough. And for the parliament of whores overall, he was a relatively classy guy.
The Republican Party has let the loonies in, and McCain could not or would not change. The party moved, not McCain.

[Anonymous]

The Dems gave us Donald Trump.

No, unpatriotic and stupid Republican voters gave us Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a social tradition when someone dies to focus on the progress. Just respect it, don’t go to cnn.com, and recognize that the scrutiny that all politicians are subject to will happen in due time.

So you think if Trump, for instance, dies, a similarly hushed reaction would be warranted?

Nothing is warranted for the conman! He gets what he dishes out!

Pretty sure McCain's (as well as HRC's, GWB's, etc.) body count dwarfs Trump's and will for quite a while. Personally, I care more about actual famage, including death, inflicted on actual people than I do about Trump's imagined slights of vague concepts like 'norms' cherished by those who have a long history of looking the other way when their fellow humans suffer.

Nothing pro-Trump about that, just trying to re-inject some reality into the discussion.

+1. Although the norm shredding and corruption and breaking the law will harm us in a much more concrete way then the warmongering, but perhaps we deserve it. Perhaps it’s time that we starting paying for our decisions.

Something tells me this is what you want to happen. You seem to think Trump is some aberration and that corruption is unheard of in the halls of power. Corruption is American as apple pie. Do you not get that the DOD is all about corruption? Do you not get that both the cause and the 'remedy' for the GFC were all about corruption? Trump may be awful, but you're fooling yourself if you think he's some uniquely malign force in American politics.

How many times do you try to push the same dumbass false equivalency? Unfortunately, Trump is a uniquely malevolent force in American politics. I know you want to bury your head in the sand and say “they’re all bad” but we can see from President Obama’s that a President can be imperfect and make mistakes but still be relatively decent, both as a human being and in the ethics Of his service. I’m sorry that makes you feel bad, but you should feel bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is striking and sad that people here are making scummy, small minded attacks on this man.

This.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Whether McCain knew it or not, he had a big part to play in the rise of Trump. It was ushered by the rise of Sarah Palin.

No. The Dems gave us Donald Trump. Some pundit commented on twitter today that McCain was smeared by the media (who had liked him, but fell in love with Obama) and he took the high road. Then, Romney was smeared by the media and didn't fight back (remember the expose in WAPO about how he was a "bully" in high school? Front page column) and, yet, he didn't fight back. Obama's joke about the '80's calling for their foreign policy was soooo funny to the media--and, they, too, mocked Romney. And, no matter what anyone says, it was odd when Romney challenged Obama's comments about Benghazi that Candy Crowley had a paper in hand to "prove" him wrong.

So, the media smears the GOP candidates no matter what. And, so, the GOP figured they wanted someone who would fight back.

Also, on another note, John Lewis tweeted out a glowing comment on John McCain. Funny, since he compared him to George Wallace during the 2008 campaign.

You are ridiculous. Sarah Palin is a direct reason we have Trump. As a progressive black liberal, I have mixed feelings about McCain. I tell you, when he told the woman that Obama was not an Arab, I kinda started to respect him again. I do believe he made mistakes, but I fundamentally thought he was a decent person.

[Anonymous]

I don’t get you OP. I may not agree with many of the policies of people like John McCain or Bob Dole but I admire and honor their patriotism and the way they devoted their lives to public service. I am sure many traditional conservatives feel the same way about the late Daniel inouye. They are American heroes. I would add that while McCain was a traditional Republican with a fairly predictable voting record he had many close friendships with Democrats. He may have fought Ted Kennedy on many issues but they were dear friends. Same with joe Lieberman, Amy klobuchar, Tammy Duckworth, Chris coons, angus king. He worked on campaign finance reform with Russ feingold.
He did have a conservative voting record but he also supported letting gays serve in the military and argued passionately for an end to gerrymandering

Yes he was hawkish on defense and was the senator most responsible for the surge in Afghanistan but he didn’t advocate to send our service members abroad lightly. He knew the risks better than most having spent over five years being tortured in a north Vietnamese prison and having sons in active service. He did so much with funding and legislation to support active duty service members and our veterans. He would frequently visit the wounded in walter reed. He worked with former anti Vietnam activist democratic senator John Kerry who he was initially very suspicious of to forge a reconciliation between the US and Vietnam in 1993
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna904006

Lots of examples of Democrats who respect, admire and who worked with John McCain for decades

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get you OP. I may not agree with many of the policies of people like John McCain or Bob Dole but I admire and honor their patriotism and the way they devoted their lives to public service. I am sure many traditional conservatives feel the same way about the late Daniel inouye. They are American heroes. I would add that while McCain was a traditional Republican with a fairly predictable voting record he had many close friendships with Democrats. He may have fought Ted Kennedy on many issues but they were dear friends. Same with joe Lieberman, Amy klobuchar, Tammy Duckworth, Chris coons, angus king. He worked on campaign finance reform with Russ feingold.
He did have a conservative voting record but he also supported letting gays serve in the military and argued passionately for an end to gerrymandering

Yes he was hawkish on defense and was the senator most responsible for the surge in Afghanistan but he didn’t advocate to send our service members abroad lightly. He knew the risks better than most having spent over five years being tortured in a north Vietnamese prison and having sons in active service. He did so much with funding and legislation to support active duty service members and our veterans. He would frequently visit the wounded in walter reed. He worked with former anti Vietnam activist democratic senator John Kerry who he was initially very suspicious of to forge a reconciliation between the US and Vietnam in 1993
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna904006

Lots of examples of Democrats who respect, admire and who worked with John McCain for decades

A look at the friends and well wishers who will speak at his memorial service and act as pall bearers reinforces the point that McCain was admired and liked/loved by people from both sides of the aisle
https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/senate/403893-pallbearers-speakers-announced-for-mccains-dc-memorial-service-and-capitol%3famp