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Anonymous wrote:Coming in late: death certificate says “homocide”, wth is the debate about???

Homicide, as they said earlier in the trial, isn't a legal designation or something that results in an automatic conviction. There are only a few options; "natural", "suicide", "homicide", "other" (am I missing one?). So the ME said homicide, but the defense is arguing that that's a medical opinion.

Homicide from a medical viewpoint doesn't imply intent or malice.

I thought the defense attorney did a great job explaining that and with his closing argument. I was a full guilty and now I could not convict. I am concentrating on the entire incident, not just the 9 minutes.

Same. His earnestness is a plus.

Agreed. Can be more effective than a polished performance

Same. I am an attorney and was very much in the guilty camp for at least the second and third offenses (I was always doubtful on the top charge). After hearing the defense’s closing arguments, i could not convict on any of the charges. I am flabbergasted at my change in view.

I am as well. I was a total guilty until today. I took out the emotion and studied the video from the officer’s camera, and didn’t just focus on the 9 minutes. It was eye opening, and I would not convict. I predict a hung jury and no retrial.

How about we kneel lightly on Chauvin's neck for 9 minutes and then let him go free.

It's protocol, right?

How about he get in the car and he would be alive?

He was having an anxiety attack. That’s not an excuse to kill him.

This. Black men can have them too, not just upstanding white people. He new this police interaction would kill him, and it did. He said it over and over again. He knew.

I’m not saying what Chauvin did was right. But, had Floyd just cooperated he wouldn’t be dead! He fought them because he was jacked up on drugs. He should have just gotten in the car. Not to say that what happened is right, it’s not. But just don’t fight the cops.

This should never have been a matter of life and death. Period. People cooperating with the cops get killed too. There is no excuse for what Chauvin did. So sick of seeing people defend this murderous coward.

Not more than 10 miles from where George Floyd was killed is where Philando Castile was murdered. He was fully cooperating and telling the cop that he was a registered gun owner. It didn't matter. He got shot to death.

You aren’t looking at the legal standard though. I think Chauvin deserves a conviction for something and should be responsible for his death. But under the elements of the legal standard that must be met, there is reasonable doubt. I wouldn’t be able to convict because there is reasonable doubt on the elements required for conviction.

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Anonymous wrote:Coming in late: death certificate says “homocide”, wth is the debate about???

Homicide, as they said earlier in the trial, isn't a legal designation or something that results in an automatic conviction. There are only a few options; "natural", "suicide", "homicide", "other" (am I missing one?). So the ME said homicide, but the defense is arguing that that's a medical opinion.

Homicide from a medical viewpoint doesn't imply intent or malice.

I thought the defense attorney did a great job explaining that and with his closing argument. I was a full guilty and now I could not convict. I am concentrating on the entire incident, not just the 9 minutes.

Same. His earnestness is a plus.

Agreed. Can be more effective than a polished performance

Same. I am an attorney and was very much in the guilty camp for at least the second and third offenses (I was always doubtful on the top charge). After hearing the defense’s closing arguments, i could not convict on any of the charges. I am flabbergasted at my change in view.

I am as well. I was a total guilty until today. I took out the emotion and studied the video from the officer’s camera, and didn’t just focus on the 9 minutes. It was eye opening, and I would not convict. I predict a hung jury and no retrial.

How about we kneel lightly on Chauvin's neck for 9 minutes and then let him go free.

It's protocol, right?

How about he get in the car and he would be alive?

They tried to calmly put him in the car multiple times, even offered to keep the windows open for him. And he resisted and struggled back preventing them from putting him in there because he was a harm to himself demonstrating by his injury and guess what he was screaming while they were trying to put him in the car? “I can’t get in there. I’m going to die, I’m going to die, man. It’s going to kill me. I’m going to die. I just had covid. I’m going to die.” This is when he was standing by the cop car and the cops were trying to put him in there. That reasonably alters the perception those cops would have when he is later yelling the same words for something that also doesn’t typically lead to dying

They offered to sit with him, roll the windows down, turn on the AC, but he refused. I believe because he knew he had drugs on and in him. He fought very hard to just not sit in a car.....when he just got out of a car.

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Anonymous wrote:Coming in late: death certificate says “homocide”, wth is the debate about???

Homicide, as they said earlier in the trial, isn't a legal designation or something that results in an automatic conviction. There are only a few options; "natural", "suicide", "homicide", "other" (am I missing one?). So the ME said homicide, but the defense is arguing that that's a medical opinion.

Homicide from a medical viewpoint doesn't imply intent or malice.

I thought the defense attorney did a great job explaining that and with his closing argument. I was a full guilty and now I could not convict. I am concentrating on the entire incident, not just the 9 minutes.

Same. His earnestness is a plus.

Agreed. Can be more effective than a polished performance

Same. I am an attorney and was very much in the guilty camp for at least the second and third offenses (I was always doubtful on the top charge). After hearing the defense’s closing arguments, i could not convict on any of the charges. I am flabbergasted at my change in view.

I am as well. I was a total guilty until today. I took out the emotion and studied the video from the officer’s camera, and didn’t just focus on the 9 minutes. It was eye opening, and I would not convict. I predict a hung jury and no retrial.

How about we kneel lightly on Chauvin's neck for 9 minutes and then let him go free.

It's protocol, right?

How about he get in the car and he would be alive?

He was having an anxiety attack. That’s not an excuse to kill him.

This. Black men can have them too, not just upstanding white people. He new this police interaction would kill him, and it did. He said it over and over again. He knew.

I’m not saying what Chauvin did was right. But, had Floyd just cooperated he wouldn’t be dead! He fought them because he was jacked up on drugs. He should have just gotten in the car. Not to say that what happened is right, it’s not. But just don’t fight the cops.

This should never have been a matter of life and death. Period. People cooperating with the cops get killed too. There is no excuse for what Chauvin did. So sick of seeing people defend this murderous coward.

Not more than 10 miles from where George Floyd was killed is where Philando Castile was murdered. He was fully cooperating and telling the cop that he was a registered gun owner. It didn't matter. He got shot to death.

You aren’t looking at the legal standard though. I think Chauvin deserves a conviction for something and should be responsible for his death. But under the elements of the legal standard that must be met, there is reasonable doubt. I wouldn’t be able to convict because there is reasonable doubt on the elements required for conviction.

Sorry and I replied to your comment because i wanted to add that a shooting death is a whole different ballpark. The intent and reasonable consequence for shooting is totally different. And that is an unquestionable use of deadly force. Per the Minneapolis police handbook, what Chauvin did was not deadly force. And the intent and reasonableness of death as a consequence just has all sorts of reasonable doubt.

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Anonymous wrote:Coming in late: death certificate says “homocide”, wth is the debate about???

Homicide, as they said earlier in the trial, isn't a legal designation or something that results in an automatic conviction. There are only a few options; "natural", "suicide", "homicide", "other" (am I missing one?). So the ME said homicide, but the defense is arguing that that's a medical opinion.

Homicide from a medical viewpoint doesn't imply intent or malice.

I thought the defense attorney did a great job explaining that and with his closing argument. I was a full guilty and now I could not convict. I am concentrating on the entire incident, not just the 9 minutes.

Same. His earnestness is a plus.

Agreed. Can be more effective than a polished performance

Same. I am an attorney and was very much in the guilty camp for at least the second and third offenses (I was always doubtful on the top charge). After hearing the defense’s closing arguments, i could not convict on any of the charges. I am flabbergasted at my change in view.

I am as well. I was a total guilty until today. I took out the emotion and studied the video from the officer’s camera, and didn’t just focus on the 9 minutes. It was eye opening, and I would not convict. I predict a hung jury and no retrial.

How about we kneel lightly on Chauvin's neck for 9 minutes and then let him go free.

It's protocol, right?

How about he get in the car and he would be alive?

He was having an anxiety attack. That’s not an excuse to kill him.

This. Black men can have them too, not just upstanding white people. He new this police interaction would kill him, and it did. He said it over and over again. He knew.

I’m not saying what Chauvin did was right. But, had Floyd just cooperated he wouldn’t be dead! He fought them because he was jacked up on drugs. He should have just gotten in the car. Not to say that what happened is right, it’s not. But just don’t fight the cops.

This should never have been a matter of life and death. Period. People cooperating with the cops get killed too. There is no excuse for what Chauvin did. So sick of seeing people defend this murderous coward.

Not more than 10 miles from where George Floyd was killed is where Philando Castile was murdered. He was fully cooperating and telling the cop that he was a registered gun owner. It didn't matter. He got shot to death.

You aren’t looking at the legal standard though. I think Chauvin deserves a conviction for something and should be responsible for his death. But under the elements of the legal standard that must be met, there is reasonable doubt. I wouldn’t be able to convict because there is reasonable doubt on the elements required for conviction.

If you think so.

The elements are proven to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Coming in late: death certificate says “homocide”, wth is the debate about???

Homicide, as they said earlier in the trial, isn't a legal designation or something that results in an automatic conviction. There are only a few options; "natural", "suicide", "homicide", "other" (am I missing one?). So the ME said homicide, but the defense is arguing that that's a medical opinion.

Homicide from a medical viewpoint doesn't imply intent or malice.

I thought the defense attorney did a great job explaining that and with his closing argument. I was a full guilty and now I could not convict. I am concentrating on the entire incident, not just the 9 minutes.

Same. His earnestness is a plus.

Agreed. Can be more effective than a polished performance

Same. I am an attorney and was very much in the guilty camp for at least the second and third offenses (I was always doubtful on the top charge). After hearing the defense’s closing arguments, i could not convict on any of the charges. I am flabbergasted at my change in view.

I am as well. I was a total guilty until today. I took out the emotion and studied the video from the officer’s camera, and didn’t just focus on the 9 minutes. It was eye opening, and I would not convict. I predict a hung jury and no retrial.

How about we kneel lightly on Chauvin's neck for 9 minutes and then let him go free.

It's protocol, right?

How about he get in the car and he would be alive?

He was having an anxiety attack. That’s not an excuse to kill him.

This. Black men can have them too, not just upstanding white people. He new this police interaction would kill him, and it did. He said it over and over again. He knew.

I’m not saying what Chauvin did was right. But, had Floyd just cooperated he wouldn’t be dead! He fought them because he was jacked up on drugs. He should have just gotten in the car. Not to say that what happened is right, it’s not. But just don’t fight the cops.

This should never have been a matter of life and death. Period. People cooperating with the cops get killed too. There is no excuse for what Chauvin did. So sick of seeing people defend this murderous coward.

No one's defending what he did. We are trying to apply the specific kind of thinking and standards you're supposed to apply if you're on a jury and certainty beyond reasonable doubt.

I could be convinced of the 3rd charge that has to do with negligence but probably not the other two.

That's not what you're doing. "Why didn't Floyd just get in the police car?". That's not the legal standard for justifiable homicide.

Sorry, I'm a DP. To me it seems Chauvin was following his training and department practices so to me his actions don't meet the standards of the first two charges. I think the policing practices are brutal and should be changed ASAP though. I think there should be federal rules in place for use of force.

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I think he’s going to be convicted and it may be of murder 2. The prosecution was outstanding.

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Anonymous wrote:Coming in late: death certificate says “homocide”, wth is the debate about???

Homicide, as they said earlier in the trial, isn't a legal designation or something that results in an automatic conviction. There are only a few options; "natural", "suicide", "homicide", "other" (am I missing one?). So the ME said homicide, but the defense is arguing that that's a medical opinion.

Homicide from a medical viewpoint doesn't imply intent or malice.

I thought the defense attorney did a great job explaining that and with his closing argument. I was a full guilty and now I could not convict. I am concentrating on the entire incident, not just the 9 minutes.

Same. His earnestness is a plus.

Agreed. Can be more effective than a polished performance

Same. I am an attorney and was very much in the guilty camp for at least the second and third offenses (I was always doubtful on the top charge). After hearing the defense’s closing arguments, i could not convict on any of the charges. I am flabbergasted at my change in view.

I am as well. I was a total guilty until today. I took out the emotion and studied the video from the officer’s camera, and didn’t just focus on the 9 minutes. It was eye opening, and I would not convict. I predict a hung jury and no retrial.

How about we kneel lightly on Chauvin's neck for 9 minutes and then let him go free.

It's protocol, right?

How about he get in the car and he would be alive?

He was having an anxiety attack. That’s not an excuse to kill him.

This. Black men can have them too, not just upstanding white people. He new this police interaction would kill him, and it did. He said it over and over again. He knew.

I’m not saying what Chauvin did was right. But, had Floyd just cooperated he wouldn’t be dead! He fought them because he was jacked up on drugs. He should have just gotten in the car. Not to say that what happened is right, it’s not. But just don’t fight the cops.

This should never have been a matter of life and death. Period. People cooperating with the cops get killed too. There is no excuse for what Chauvin did. So sick of seeing people defend this murderous coward.

Not more than 10 miles from where George Floyd was killed is where Philando Castile was murdered. He was fully cooperating and telling the cop that he was a registered gun owner. It didn't matter. He got shot to death.

You aren’t looking at the legal standard though. I think Chauvin deserves a conviction for something and should be responsible for his death. But under the elements of the legal standard that must be met, there is reasonable doubt. I wouldn’t be able to convict because there is reasonable doubt on the elements required for conviction.

Sorry and I replied to your comment because i wanted to add that a shooting death is a whole different ballpark. The intent and reasonable consequence for shooting is totally different. And that is an unquestionable use of deadly force. Per the Minneapolis police handbook, what Chauvin did was not deadly force. And the intent and reasonableness of death as a consequence just has all sorts of reasonable doubt.

My comment was in response to "just don't fight the cops" That's a myth white people like to perpetuate (white women here).

Also, I live in Minneapolis and watched the whole trial. I think the prosecution did an outstanding job. His resistance earlier did not create reasonable doubt for the 9 minutes he was pinned down and repeatedly pleading for his life, with bystanders doing the same. Chauvin is guilty as hell.

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This is the whole video from one of the cop’s body cams. I couldn’t convict after seeing this

https://youtu.be/tT-dTgEfPA8

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Anonymous wrote:This is the whole video from one of the cop’s body cams. I couldn’t convict after seeing this

https://youtu.be/tT-dTgEfPA8

... Really?

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Anonymous wrote:Coming in late: death certificate says “homocide”, wth is the debate about???

Homicide, as they said earlier in the trial, isn't a legal designation or something that results in an automatic conviction. There are only a few options; "natural", "suicide", "homicide", "other" (am I missing one?). So the ME said homicide, but the defense is arguing that that's a medical opinion.

Homicide from a medical viewpoint doesn't imply intent or malice.

I thought the defense attorney did a great job explaining that and with his closing argument. I was a full guilty and now I could not convict. I am concentrating on the entire incident, not just the 9 minutes.

Same. His earnestness is a plus.

Agreed. Can be more effective than a polished performance

Same. I am an attorney and was very much in the guilty camp for at least the second and third offenses (I was always doubtful on the top charge). After hearing the defense’s closing arguments, i could not convict on any of the charges. I am flabbergasted at my change in view.

I am as well. I was a total guilty until today. I took out the emotion and studied the video from the officer’s camera, and didn’t just focus on the 9 minutes. It was eye opening, and I would not convict. I predict a hung jury and no retrial.

How about we kneel lightly on Chauvin's neck for 9 minutes and then let him go free.

It's protocol, right?

How about he get in the car and he would be alive?

He was having an anxiety attack. That’s not an excuse to kill him.

This. Black men can have them too, not just upstanding white people. He new this police interaction would kill him, and it did. He said it over and over again. He knew.

I’m not saying what Chauvin did was right. But, had Floyd just cooperated he wouldn’t be dead! He fought them because he was jacked up on drugs. He should have just gotten in the car. Not to say that what happened is right, it’s not. But just don’t fight the cops.

This should never have been a matter of life and death. Period. People cooperating with the cops get killed too. There is no excuse for what Chauvin did. So sick of seeing people defend this murderous coward.

Not more than 10 miles from where George Floyd was killed is where Philando Castile was murdered. He was fully cooperating and telling the cop that he was a registered gun owner. It didn't matter. He got shot to death.

You aren’t looking at the legal standard though. I think Chauvin deserves a conviction for something and should be responsible for his death. But under the elements of the legal standard that must be met, there is reasonable doubt. I wouldn’t be able to convict because there is reasonable doubt on the elements required for conviction.

Sorry and I replied to your comment because i wanted to add that a shooting death is a whole different ballpark. The intent and reasonable consequence for shooting is totally different. And that is an unquestionable use of deadly force. Per the Minneapolis police handbook, what Chauvin did was not deadly force. And the intent and reasonableness of death as a consequence just has all sorts of reasonable doubt.

My comment was in response to "just don't fight the cops" That's a myth white people like to perpetuate (white women here).

Also, I live in Minneapolis and watched the whole trial. I think the prosecution did an outstanding job. His resistance earlier did not create reasonable doubt for the 9 minutes he was pinned down and repeatedly pleading for his life, with bystanders doing the same. Chauvin is guilty as hell.

If I fought the cops, I’d expect to be manhandled and face to the ground. There were even two blacks across the street watching, talking amongst themselves about him being stupid by not getting in the car and fighting. Does that mean he should be dead, no. But he may be alive today and he just complied.

Just curious, would you fight the cops?

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Anonymous wrote:This is the whole video from one of the cop’s body cams. I couldn’t convict after seeing this

https://youtu.be/tT-dTgEfPA8

Racists never convict.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the whole video from one of the cop’s body cams. I couldn’t convict after seeing this

https://youtu.be/tT-dTgEfPA8

Racists never convict.

Should have mentioned I’m a POC?

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Anonymous wrote:Coming in late: death certificate says “homocide”, wth is the debate about???

Homicide, as they said earlier in the trial, isn't a legal designation or something that results in an automatic conviction. There are only a few options; "natural", "suicide", "homicide", "other" (am I missing one?). So the ME said homicide, but the defense is arguing that that's a medical opinion.

Homicide from a medical viewpoint doesn't imply intent or malice.

I thought the defense attorney did a great job explaining that and with his closing argument. I was a full guilty and now I could not convict. I am concentrating on the entire incident, not just the 9 minutes.

Same. His earnestness is a plus.

Agreed. Can be more effective than a polished performance

Same. I am an attorney and was very much in the guilty camp for at least the second and third offenses (I was always doubtful on the top charge). After hearing the defense’s closing arguments, i could not convict on any of the charges. I am flabbergasted at my change in view.

I am as well. I was a total guilty until today. I took out the emotion and studied the video from the officer’s camera, and didn’t just focus on the 9 minutes. It was eye opening, and I would not convict. I predict a hung jury and no retrial.

How about we kneel lightly on Chauvin's neck for 9 minutes and then let him go free.

It's protocol, right?

How about he get in the car and he would be alive?

He was having an anxiety attack. That’s not an excuse to kill him.

This. Black men can have them too, not just upstanding white people. He new this police interaction would kill him, and it did. He said it over and over again. He knew.

I’m not saying what Chauvin did was right. But, had Floyd just cooperated he wouldn’t be dead! He fought them because he was jacked up on drugs. He should have just gotten in the car. Not to say that what happened is right, it’s not. But just don’t fight the cops.

This should never have been a matter of life and death. Period. People cooperating with the cops get killed too. There is no excuse for what Chauvin did. So sick of seeing people defend this murderous coward.

Not more than 10 miles from where George Floyd was killed is where Philando Castile was murdered. He was fully cooperating and telling the cop that he was a registered gun owner. It didn't matter. He got shot to death.

You aren’t looking at the legal standard though. I think Chauvin deserves a conviction for something and should be responsible for his death. But under the elements of the legal standard that must be met, there is reasonable doubt. I wouldn’t be able to convict because there is reasonable doubt on the elements required for conviction.

Sorry and I replied to your comment because i wanted to add that a shooting death is a whole different ballpark. The intent and reasonable consequence for shooting is totally different. And that is an unquestionable use of deadly force. Per the Minneapolis police handbook, what Chauvin did was not deadly force. And the intent and reasonableness of death as a consequence just has all sorts of reasonable doubt.

My comment was in response to "just don't fight the cops" That's a myth white people like to perpetuate (white women here).

Also, I live in Minneapolis and watched the whole trial. I think the prosecution did an outstanding job. His resistance earlier did not create reasonable doubt for the 9 minutes he was pinned down and repeatedly pleading for his life, with bystanders doing the same. Chauvin is guilty as hell.

If I fought the cops, I’d expect to be manhandled and face to the ground. There were even two blacks across the street watching, talking amongst themselves about him being stupid by not getting in the car and fighting. Does that mean he should be dead, no. But he may be alive today and he just complied.

Just curious, would you fight the cops?

DP. I would refer you to the 2016 decision by the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court that racial profiling was so prevalent within the Boston police department that it was deemed reasonable for black people to flee from Boston police, and did not give probable cause for Boston police to stop them.

So yeah, there is good reason for Black people to fear, flee from and resist the police.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the whole video from one of the cop’s body cams. I couldn’t convict after seeing this

https://youtu.be/tT-dTgEfPA8

Racists never convict.

Should have mentioned I’m a POC?

That doesn’t mean you can’t be racist.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the whole video from one of the cop’s body cams. I couldn’t convict after seeing this

https://youtu.be/tT-dTgEfPA8

Racists never convict.

Should have mentioned I’m a POC?

POC’s are not some kind of united front.