The Karen meme silences White women

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For a group of people “being silenced”, 46 pages of thread seems to suggest otherwise.

Drama queens.

NP Silence in public not DCUM.

True story: My dog and I were walking and a man had his dog off leash and ran up to my dog. I told him to get his dog away and he tried to tell me "his dog is friendly" and "I should take my dog to dog parks for socialization" He was in the wrong and yet was lecturing me how to take care of my dog ( rescue btw who sometimes bites when scared) He was a person of color so there is no way in hell I would call anyone for help because I would be called a "Karen".

My dog is a sweet dog but, we avoid all dogs. This dog was a pit bull but, I don't care if it is a lab, or bulldog. We stay away.

It is a wild, wild west out there and I don't think you people get it. And yes, I don't feel safe But, I know you people will come on and say I deserve it.

But what if a white man did that to a black women? Would you be outraged?

Outraged? I'd be annoyed, maybe. But this is not worthy of a call to the police no matter the color of skin, possibly animal control if you really want to make a point. If his dog isn't aggressive, just state the policy (if you feel strongly about it) and move along. If his dog was attacking you or yours, that is a different story. Call the police, no matter the color.

Point is the rule is your dog must be on leash. You say call the police no matter the color but no way would I call the police! I will be vilified for not "moving along" who cares if it was upsetting to be attacked? I just have to "deal with it as the price of my privlege"

[Anonymous]

The problem is that some white women don't see to understand when they are actually "unsafe." If a random dog is attacking you, call the police - you are unsafe. If you see someone you believe is not following a rule that has no effect on you, don't call the police - you are not unsafe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that some white women don't see to understand when they are actually "unsafe." If a random dog is attacking you, call the police - you are unsafe. If you see someone you believe is not following a rule that has no effect on you, don't call the police - you are not unsafe.

I understand the difference. But right now not going to call police when I feel unsafe. I've decided to just walk my dog when I think he isnt going to be there.

Calling the police for a valid reason is NOT an option for this white woman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For a group of people “being silenced”, 46 pages of thread seems to suggest otherwise.

Drama queens.

NP Silence in public not DCUM.

True story: My dog and I were walking and a man had his dog off leash and ran up to my dog. I told him to get his dog away and he tried to tell me "his dog is friendly" and "I should take my dog to dog parks for socialization" He was in the wrong and yet was lecturing me how to take care of my dog ( rescue btw who sometimes bites when scared) He was a person of color so there is no way in hell I would call anyone for help because I would be called a "Karen".

My dog is a sweet dog but, we avoid all dogs. This dog was a pit bull but, I don't care if it is a lab, or bulldog. We stay away.

It is a wild, wild west out there and I don't think you people get it. And yes, I don't feel safe But, I know you people will come on and say I deserve it.

But what if a white man did that to a black women? Would you be outraged?

Outraged? I'd be annoyed, maybe. But this is not worthy of a call to the police no matter the color of skin, possibly animal control if you really want to make a point. If his dog isn't aggressive, just state the policy (if you feel strongly about it) and move along. If his dog was attacking you or yours, that is a different story. Call the police, no matter the color.

Point is the rule is your dog must be on leash. You say call the police no matter the color but no way would I call the police! I will be vilified for not "moving along" who cares if it was upsetting to be attacked? I just have to "deal with it as the price of my privlege"

Great way to jump to conclusions and put a spin on it. Do you side with Amy Cooper?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that some white women don't see to understand when they are actually "unsafe." If a random dog is attacking you, call the police - you are unsafe. If you see someone you believe is not following a rule that has no effect on you, don't call the police - you are not unsafe.

I understand the difference. But right now not going to call police when I feel unsafe. I've decided to just walk my dog when I think he isnt going to be there.

Calling the police for a valid reason is NOT an option for this white woman.

Then you don’t understand the difference. And at this point, you are beginning to sound like you are trolling.

[Anonymous]

There is a vox article and another article on The Guardian that traces the misogynistic origins of the meme "Karen." Of course it's misogynistic. There are male iterations (Chad, Kyle) but you barely see them.

If a black man or woman uses the phrase Karen, I am going to just move along - really, i am not here to police the way they're feeling or what they say. If my kids asked about it, i would say that our family does not use that phrase, just like we don't use other phrases that are designed to group all people together, or are name-calling, or otherwise.

I am late to this thread but skimmed and saw pages of people saying that men are not using this phrase. Literally just five minutes ago i saw a bunch of white men posting Karen. BTW, they were all Bernie bros. what a shock - misogyny under the guise of support for black people?

When i hear a white woman using the word Karen, i think she's insecure, and is seeking validation from other white women who want to out-"woke" one another. I also think realistically that being an ally is a journey and that some women are not all the way down the path, and are probably turned away when they're trying to do better and improve and see all the Karen stuff. I don't think it's black people's jobs to make white women better allies, but i do think this is counter productive.

When i hear a black man say "Karen" i raise my eyebrows - there are plenty of black misogynists - but generally move along. When i hear a black woman saying Karen, i figure it's frustration. A few of my black friends say it, and i don't love it but i value them and am not going to police the way they talk.

I view it a bit like the word retarded. Can you say it? Yeah, sure. Should you? Probably not. It's not nice, not productive and not going to save the world. If a POC needs to say it to vent, or to one another, fine, but let's not ratify a bunch of white fools using the term to signal someone less evolved than them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that some white women don't see to understand when they are actually "unsafe." If a random dog is attacking you, call the police - you are unsafe. If you see someone you believe is not following a rule that has no effect on you, don't call the police - you are not unsafe.

I understand the difference. But right now not going to call police when I feel unsafe. I've decided to just walk my dog when I think he isnt going to be there.

Calling the police for a valid reason is NOT an option for this white woman.

Then you don’t understand the difference. And at this point, you are beginning to sound like you are trolling.

Just telling you how I feel. Right now I am telling you, not trolling that i wouldnt call the police for almost anything. Maybe extreme harm like rape I would. Otherwise. No way. No how.

Btw I saw two cars in a row blow through the same stop sign within minutes of each other. We are approaching lawlessness....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that some white women don't see to understand when they are actually "unsafe." If a random dog is attacking you, call the police - you are unsafe. If you see someone you believe is not following a rule that has no effect on you, don't call the police - you are not unsafe.

I understand the difference. But right now not going to call police when I feel unsafe. I've decided to just walk my dog when I think he isnt going to be there.

Calling the police for a valid reason is NOT an option for this white woman.

Then you don’t understand the difference. And at this point, you are beginning to sound like you are trolling.

+1. I'm the pp who said this was a troll on the previous page.

I spent some time yesterday criticizing the use of "Karen" as being misogynisgtic and I can even see that some people like OP might feel like they can't be assertive (appropriately assertive) because of it. BUT, this person seems like she's being deliberately obtuse and trying to stir the pot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a vox article and another article on The Guardian that traces the misogynistic origins of the meme "Karen." Of course it's misogynistic. There are male iterations (Chad, Kyle) but you barely see them.

If a black man or woman uses the phrase Karen, I am going to just move along - really, i am not here to police the way they're feeling or what they say. If my kids asked about it, i would say that our family does not use that phrase, just like we don't use other phrases that are designed to group all people together, or are name-calling, or otherwise.

I am late to this thread but skimmed and saw pages of people saying that men are not using this phrase. Literally just five minutes ago i saw a bunch of white men posting Karen. BTW, they were all Bernie bros. what a shock - misogyny under the guise of support for black people?

When i hear a white woman using the word Karen, i think she's insecure, and is seeking validation from other white women who want to out-"woke" one another. I also think realistically that being an ally is a journey and that some women are not all the way down the path, and are probably turned away when they're trying to do better and improve and see all the Karen stuff. I don't think it's black people's jobs to make white women better allies, but i do think this is counter productive.

When i hear a black man say "Karen" i raise my eyebrows - there are plenty of black misogynists - but generally move along. When i hear a black woman saying Karen, i figure it's frustration. A few of my black friends say it, and i don't love it but i value them and am not going to police the way they talk.

I view it a bit like the word retarded. Can you say it? Yeah, sure. Should you? Probably not. It's not nice, not productive and not going to save the world. If a POC needs to say it to vent, or to one another, fine, but let's not ratify a bunch of white fools using the term to signal someone less evolved than them.

I agree on almost all of this. It's misogynistic. There's no male equivalent: Chad, Brad and Thad are used by college students dealing with frat boys, but that's about it. Even then, Chad isn't being dissed for being assertive, he's being dissed for being dumb or a douche.

The one place I disagree is that it's used only for white women who wield their whiteness over minorities. I'm not denying that happens, especially since POC are often in service jobs.

But I also see it used a lot by white women to mock other white women for being assertive. Like the white, conservative pp's on this thread who are mocking OP for being a Karen. Of course some white women are assertive in the wrong, abusive ways, but OP didn't actually do anything. And men are also abusively assertive, but we rarely call them out, and we don't have a word for that.

Hey, how about "Donald" for white men who are abusively assertive?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a vox article and another article on The Guardian that traces the misogynistic origins of the meme "Karen." Of course it's misogynistic. There are male iterations (Chad, Kyle) but you barely see them.

If a black man or woman uses the phrase Karen, I am going to just move along - really, i am not here to police the way they're feeling or what they say. If my kids asked about it, i would say that our family does not use that phrase, just like we don't use other phrases that are designed to group all people together, or are name-calling, or otherwise.

I am late to this thread but skimmed and saw pages of people saying that men are not using this phrase. Literally just five minutes ago i saw a bunch of white men posting Karen. BTW, they were all Bernie bros. what a shock - misogyny under the guise of support for black people?

When i hear a white woman using the word Karen, i think she's insecure, and is seeking validation from other white women who want to out-"woke" one another. I also think realistically that being an ally is a journey and that some women are not all the way down the path, and are probably turned away when they're trying to do better and improve and see all the Karen stuff. I don't think it's black people's jobs to make white women better allies, but i do think this is counter productive.

When i hear a black man say "Karen" i raise my eyebrows - there are plenty of black misogynists - but generally move along. When i hear a black woman saying Karen, i figure it's frustration. A few of my black friends say it, and i don't love it but i value them and am not going to police the way they talk.

I view it a bit like the word retarded. Can you say it? Yeah, sure. Should you? Probably not. It's not nice, not productive and not going to save the world. If a POC needs to say it to vent, or to one another, fine, but let's not ratify a bunch of white fools using the term to signal someone less evolved than them.

I agree on almost all of this. It's misogynistic. There's no male equivalent: Chad, Brad and Thad are used by college students dealing with frat boys, but that's about it. Even then, Chad isn't being dissed for being assertive, he's being dissed for being dumb or a douche.

The one place I disagree is that it's used only for white women who wield their whiteness over minorities. I'm not denying that happens, especially since POC are often in service jobs.

But I also see it used a lot by white women to mock other white women for being assertive. Like the white, conservative pp's on this thread who are mocking OP for being a Karen. Of course some white women are assertive in the wrong, abusive ways, but OP didn't actually do anything. And men are also abusively assertive, but we rarely call them out, and we don't have a word for that.

Hey, how about "Donald" for white men who are abusively assertive?

Or maybe just call it like it is. I don’t agree with doxxing but one reason against these slurs is that it is allowing the actual perpetrators to hide behind a nickname. For example, I actually thought BBQ Becky’s real name was Becky. I was surprised to learn it was Jennifer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a vox article and another article on The Guardian that traces the misogynistic origins of the meme "Karen." Of course it's misogynistic. There are male iterations (Chad, Kyle) but you barely see them.

If a black man or woman uses the phrase Karen, I am going to just move along - really, i am not here to police the way they're feeling or what they say. If my kids asked about it, i would say that our family does not use that phrase, just like we don't use other phrases that are designed to group all people together, or are name-calling, or otherwise.

I am late to this thread but skimmed and saw pages of people saying that men are not using this phrase. Literally just five minutes ago i saw a bunch of white men posting Karen. BTW, they were all Bernie bros. what a shock - misogyny under the guise of support for black people?

When i hear a white woman using the word Karen, i think she's insecure, and is seeking validation from other white women who want to out-"woke" one another. I also think realistically that being an ally is a journey and that some women are not all the way down the path, and are probably turned away when they're trying to do better and improve and see all the Karen stuff. I don't think it's black people's jobs to make white women better allies, but i do think this is counter productive.

When i hear a black man say "Karen" i raise my eyebrows - there are plenty of black misogynists - but generally move along. When i hear a black woman saying Karen, i figure it's frustration. A few of my black friends say it, and i don't love it but i value them and am not going to police the way they talk.

I view it a bit like the word retarded. Can you say it? Yeah, sure. Should you? Probably not. It's not nice, not productive and not going to save the world. If a POC needs to say it to vent, or to one another, fine, but let's not ratify a bunch of white fools using the term to signal someone less evolved than them.

I agree on almost all of this. It's misogynistic. There's no male equivalent: Chad, Brad and Thad are used by college students dealing with frat boys, but that's about it. Even then, Chad isn't being dissed for being assertive, he's being dissed for being dumb or a douche.

The one place I disagree is that it's used only for white women who wield their whiteness over minorities. I'm not denying that happens, especially since POC are often in service jobs.

But I also see it used a lot by white women to mock other white women for being assertive. Like the white, conservative pp's on this thread who are mocking OP for being a Karen. Of course some white women are assertive in the wrong, abusive ways, but OP didn't actually do anything. And men are also abusively assertive, but we rarely call them out, and we don't have a word for that.

Hey, how about "Donald" for white men who are abusively assertive?

Or maybe just call it like it is. I don’t agree with doxxing but one reason against these slurs is that it is allowing the actual perpetrators to hide behind a nickname. For example, I actually thought BBQ Becky’s real name was Becky. I was surprised to learn it was Jennifer.

It was used for alliteration

[Anonymous]

So posters on here are really out there having Karen screamed at them to describe their behavior at Target or Trader Joe’s? Like some random person has actually come up to and said, “You’re a Karen”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a vox article and another article on The Guardian that traces the misogynistic origins of the meme "Karen." Of course it's misogynistic. There are male iterations (Chad, Kyle) but you barely see them.

If a black man or woman uses the phrase Karen, I am going to just move along - really, i am not here to police the way they're feeling or what they say. If my kids asked about it, i would say that our family does not use that phrase, just like we don't use other phrases that are designed to group all people together, or are name-calling, or otherwise.

I am late to this thread but skimmed and saw pages of people saying that men are not using this phrase. Literally just five minutes ago i saw a bunch of white men posting Karen. BTW, they were all Bernie bros. what a shock - misogyny under the guise of support for black people?

When i hear a white woman using the word Karen, i think she's insecure, and is seeking validation from other white women who want to out-"woke" one another. I also think realistically that being an ally is a journey and that some women are not all the way down the path, and are probably turned away when they're trying to do better and improve and see all the Karen stuff. I don't think it's black people's jobs to make white women better allies, but i do think this is counter productive.

When i hear a black man say "Karen" i raise my eyebrows - there are plenty of black misogynists - but generally move along. When i hear a black woman saying Karen, i figure it's frustration. A few of my black friends say it, and i don't love it but i value them and am not going to police the way they talk.

I view it a bit like the word retarded. Can you say it? Yeah, sure. Should you? Probably not. It's not nice, not productive and not going to save the world. If a POC needs to say it to vent, or to one another, fine, but let's not ratify a bunch of white fools using the term to signal someone less evolved than them.

I agree on almost all of this. It's misogynistic. There's no male equivalent: Chad, Brad and Thad are used by college students dealing with frat boys, but that's about it. Even then, Chad isn't being dissed for being assertive, he's being dissed for being dumb or a douche.

The one place I disagree is that it's used only for white women who wield their whiteness over minorities. I'm not denying that happens, especially since POC are often in service jobs.

But I also see it used a lot by white women to mock other white women for being assertive. Like the white, conservative pp's on this thread who are mocking OP for being a Karen. Of course some white women are assertive in the wrong, abusive ways, but OP didn't actually do anything. And men are also abusively assertive, but we rarely call them out, and we don't have a word for that.

Hey, how about "Donald" for white men who are abusively assertive?

Or maybe just call it like it is. I don’t agree with doxxing but one reason against these slurs is that it is allowing the actual perpetrators to hide behind a nickname. For example, I actually thought BBQ Becky’s real name was Becky. I was surprised to learn it was Jennifer.

PP here. Yes, you're right. Just call it like it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that some white women don't see to understand when they are actually "unsafe." If a random dog is attacking you, call the police - you are unsafe. If you see someone you believe is not following a rule that has no effect on you, don't call the police - you are not unsafe.

I understand the difference. But right now not going to call police when I feel unsafe. I've decided to just walk my dog when I think he isnt going to be there.

Calling the police for a valid reason is NOT an option for this white woman.

You're GROSSLY over-reacting.
-signed, a white woman

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that some white women don't see to understand when they are actually "unsafe." If a random dog is attacking you, call the police - you are unsafe. If you see someone you believe is not following a rule that has no effect on you, don't call the police - you are not unsafe.

I understand the difference. But right now not going to call police when I feel unsafe. I've decided to just walk my dog when I think he isnt going to be there.

Calling the police for a valid reason is NOT an option for this white woman.

You're GROSSLY over-reacting.
-signed, a white woman

I think she's trying to make a racial point by pretending it's a Karen point. She seems like a troll.