The Karen meme silences White women

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that some white women don't see to understand when they are actually "unsafe." If a random dog is attacking you, call the police - you are unsafe. If you see someone you believe is not following a rule that has no effect on you, don't call the police - you are not unsafe.

I understand the difference. But right now not going to call police when I feel unsafe. I've decided to just walk my dog when I think he isnt going to be there.

Calling the police for a valid reason is NOT an option for this white woman.

Then you don’t understand the difference. And at this point, you are beginning to sound like you are trolling.

+1. I'm the pp who said this was a troll on the previous page.

I spent some time yesterday criticizing the use of "Karen" as being misogynisgtic and I can even see that some people like OP might feel like they can't be assertive (appropriately assertive) because of it. BUT, this person seems like she's being deliberately obtuse and trying to stir the pot.

I am this person who is telling you what happened and how I feel right now. It doesn't fit your narrative so you call me troll and tell me I am trying to "stir the pot"

Here is the definition: A lot of ingredients have settled to the bottom, out of sight, until stirred. Metaphorically, a lot of issues/resentments/obligations can drop out of sight when nobody mentions them. One can "stir the pot" to bring issues to the surface, sometimes with malice, but sometimes merely to create awareness and effect change.

I admit I am trying to do the bolded which is bring awareness to what some white women are feeling. I think this is the last I will post on this thread regarding my issue because right now no matter what I say I will be called a troll or a Karen. I can only change my behavior in order for me to feel safe and i don't need DCUM collective to gaslight me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that some white women don't see to understand when they are actually "unsafe." If a random dog is attacking you, call the police - you are unsafe. If you see someone you believe is not following a rule that has no effect on you, don't call the police - you are not unsafe.

I understand the difference. But right now not going to call police when I feel unsafe. I've decided to just walk my dog when I think he isnt going to be there.

Calling the police for a valid reason is NOT an option for this white woman.

You're GROSSLY over-reacting.
-signed, a white woman

How so "white woman?" my dog and I were attacked and I didn't call the police. I felt unsafe and yet I am the one who is "grossly" overreacting?? I told the guy to get his dog away from me and tried to run away which at that point he started lecturing meon how I should train my dog rather than just apologize for not letting his dog near mine

You must be really "woke"

congratulations

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a vox article and another article on The Guardian that traces the misogynistic origins of the meme "Karen." Of course it's misogynistic. There are male iterations (Chad, Kyle) but you barely see them.

If a black man or woman uses the phrase Karen, I am going to just move along - really, i am not here to police the way they're feeling or what they say. If my kids asked about it, i would say that our family does not use that phrase, just like we don't use other phrases that are designed to group all people together, or are name-calling, or otherwise.

I am late to this thread but skimmed and saw pages of people saying that men are not using this phrase. Literally just five minutes ago i saw a bunch of white men posting Karen. BTW, they were all Bernie bros. what a shock - misogyny under the guise of support for black people?

When i hear a white woman using the word Karen, i think she's insecure, and is seeking validation from other white women who want to out-"woke" one another. I also think realistically that being an ally is a journey and that some women are not all the way down the path, and are probably turned away when they're trying to do better and improve and see all the Karen stuff. I don't think it's black people's jobs to make white women better allies, but i do think this is counter productive.

When i hear a black man say "Karen" i raise my eyebrows - there are plenty of black misogynists - but generally move along. When i hear a black woman saying Karen, i figure it's frustration. A few of my black friends say it, and i don't love it but i value them and am not going to police the way they talk.

I view it a bit like the word retarded. Can you say it? Yeah, sure. Should you? Probably not. It's not nice, not productive and not going to save the world. If a POC needs to say it to vent, or to one another, fine, but let's not ratify a bunch of white fools using the term to signal someone less evolved than them.

I agree with much of what you have said and it certainly demonstrates thoughtful consideration of the issue. Where I part with you is in the last paragraph, where you essentially give minorities a pass to use racially derogatory language. No one should be using racially derogatory language, to include the "n" word with a hard "r", the "n" word with an "a" at the end, or any other language that clearly relates solely to one race or gender.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that some white women don't see to understand when they are actually "unsafe." If a random dog is attacking you, call the police - you are unsafe. If you see someone you believe is not following a rule that has no effect on you, don't call the police - you are not unsafe.

I understand the difference. But right now not going to call police when I feel unsafe. I've decided to just walk my dog when I think he isnt going to be there.

Calling the police for a valid reason is NOT an option for this white woman.

You're GROSSLY over-reacting.
-signed, a white woman

How so "white woman?" my dog and I were attacked and I didn't call the police. I felt unsafe and yet I am the one who is "grossly" overreacting?? I told the guy to get his dog away from me and tried to run away which at that point he started lecturing meon how I should train my dog rather than just apologize for not letting his dog near mine

You must be really "woke"

congratulations

So now you were attacked?! Did the man put his hands on you? Were you harmed? Did you scream for your life and run away?

If you didn’t call the police on this obvious criminal then you let a criminal stay on the street. He could be out there attacking other white women. Won’t some one please think of the white women?! Please call the police this second and report this criminal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that some white women don't see to understand when they are actually "unsafe." If a random dog is attacking you, call the police - you are unsafe. If you see someone you believe is not following a rule that has no effect on you, don't call the police - you are not unsafe.

I understand the difference. But right now not going to call police when I feel unsafe. I've decided to just walk my dog when I think he isnt going to be there.

Calling the police for a valid reason is NOT an option for this white woman.

Then you don’t understand the difference. And at this point, you are beginning to sound like you are trolling.

+1. I'm the pp who said this was a troll on the previous page.

I spent some time yesterday criticizing the use of "Karen" as being misogynisgtic and I can even see that some people like OP might feel like they can't be assertive (appropriately assertive) because of it. BUT, this person seems like she's being deliberately obtuse and trying to stir the pot.

I am this person who is telling you what happened and how I feel right now. It doesn't fit your narrative so you call me troll and tell me I am trying to "stir the pot"

Here is the definition: A lot of ingredients have settled to the bottom, out of sight, until stirred. Metaphorically, a lot of issues/resentments/obligations can drop out of sight when nobody mentions them. One can "stir the pot" to bring issues to the surface, sometimes with malice, but sometimes merely to create awareness and effect change.

I admit I am trying to do the bolded which is bring awareness to what some white women are feeling. I think this is the last I will post on this thread regarding my issue because right now no matter what I say I will be called a troll or a Karen. I can only change my behavior in order for me to feel safe and i don't need DCUM collective to gaslight me.

No called you a Karen, but you are definitely a troll. Good riddance.

[Anonymous]

Dear white woman who is afraid to call the police for legitimate reasons. Welcome to life as a black man.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that some white women don't see to understand when they are actually "unsafe." If a random dog is attacking you, call the police - you are unsafe. If you see someone you believe is not following a rule that has no effect on you, don't call the police - you are not unsafe.

The police aren’t going to come unless you are being mauled.

[Anonymous]

After having my dog severely injured by an off-leash dog, I carry pepper spray. We have to stop relying on police to handle these situations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dear white woman who is afraid to call the police for legitimate reasons. Welcome to life as a black man.

She’s not afraid they are going to hurt her physically.

[Anonymous]

The key Karen trait is having victim complex.

It’s possible to be an assertive white woman without being a Karen. It’s the tendency to act helpless and innocent after passive aggressively stirring things up with people and then turning it around and acting like you are being victimized.

The white woman who got slapped in that viral video was just a garden variety racist b—— until she got slapped and she suddenly acted shocked and traumatized, as if she didn’t instigate the whole situation. I know it’s generalization, but white woman are *notorious* for doing this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that some white women don't see to understand when they are actually "unsafe." If a random dog is attacking you, call the police - you are unsafe. If you see someone you believe is not following a rule that has no effect on you, don't call the police - you are not unsafe.

I understand the difference. But right now not going to call police when I feel unsafe. I've decided to just walk my dog when I think he isnt going to be there.

Calling the police for a valid reason is NOT an option for this white woman.

You're GROSSLY over-reacting.
-signed, a white woman

How so "white woman?" my dog and I were attacked and I didn't call the police. I felt unsafe and yet I am the one who is "grossly" overreacting?? I told the guy to get his dog away from me and tried to run away which at that point he started lecturing meon how I should train my dog rather than just apologize for not letting his dog near mine

You must be really "woke"

congratulations

So now you were attacked?! Did the man put his hands on you? Were you harmed? Did you scream for your life and run away?

If you didn’t call the police on this obvious criminal then you let a criminal stay on the street. He could be out there attacking other white women. Won’t some one please think of the white women?! Please call the police this second and report this criminal.

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b]I didn't say the man was a criminal nor did I say he put his hands on me but, I view it as an attack because I did not want a dog running up to my dog while we were minding our own business!

If anyone knows dog behavior this is an unfair advantage to his dog. He could have just apologized and got his dog but, instead he lectured me on how I should "socialize" my dog. I had run ins with him before this pandemic and I admit I freaked out and screamed and tried to run away from him. Not worth calling the police and so I never would have but in this environment of "Karen" it makes me even less want to call the police-ever.

Look, you don't get it so no matter how much I explain you are determined to see me as a Karen.

I give up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dear white woman who is afraid to call the police for legitimate reasons. Welcome to life as a black man.

She’s not afraid they are going to hurt her physically.

Great! Is this what you want?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that some white women don't see to understand when they are actually "unsafe." If a random dog is attacking you, call the police - you are unsafe. If you see someone you believe is not following a rule that has no effect on you, don't call the police - you are not unsafe.

The police aren’t going to come unless you are being mauled.

Not true. I called the police on a white women whose group of dogs attacked and they came! So there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that some white women don't see to understand when they are actually "unsafe." If a random dog is attacking you, call the police - you are unsafe. If you see someone you believe is not following a rule that has no effect on you, don't call the police - you are not unsafe.

The police aren’t going to come unless you are being mauled.

Not true. I called the police on a white women whose group of dogs attacked and they came! So there.

Depends where you live. Budget cuts mean the police have to prioritize their calls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The key Karen trait is having victim complex.

It’s possible to be an assertive white woman without being a Karen. It’s the tendency to act helpless and innocent after passive aggressively stirring things up with people and then turning it around and acting like you are being victimized.

The white woman who got slapped in that viral video was just a garden variety racist b—— until she got slapped and she suddenly acted shocked and traumatized, as if she didn’t instigate the whole situation. I know it’s generalization, but white woman are *notorious* for doing this.

This. White woman victimhood. And that's exactly why so many people found this thread to be precisely the Karen-esque behavior that people find irritating, and they doubled down for 50 pages whining about how silenced they are. For silenced victims, y'all talk an awful lot.

- signed black woman who just got a hostile email from her Karen coworker calling her rude for the 3rd time this month for disagreeing with her misinformed "idea" for how I should do MY job. (I'm anticipating having to field a teary phone call where she demands an apology for my "rudeness")