The Karen meme silences White women

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I think this is the problem with the stereotype - even complaining are turned into women. And, I think that’s a problem for all women.

ITA. Any woman who dares complain is a problem; many people, like pp, argue that a complaining woman is as bad as a racist.

Thank you!! And I meant to say the problem with the stereotype is that even complaining MEN are turned into women.

That meme is funny. Trump is extra. Like an entitled Karen.

Ohhh, now I get it. Conservative pp who loves "Karen" labels doesn't want to call her conservative president a racist or a jerk. To her, Trump is just a little "extra"; Trump is a "Karen."

Which proves the point that "Karen" is being used very broadly, from simply complainers ... to those who are "extra" ... to those who are straight-up racists or jerks.

Conservative pp is calling people idiots for not accepting her broad definition. Which makes her a Karen, I guess.

So, Conservative Karen, how do you like being lumped in with the racist Karens? Judging by how you're desperately denying you're a Karen, I'd guess you don't like it very much.

I posted about the meme being funny. I’m not reading all these pages of clucking to make a point. But consensus is that Karen is literally non-race specific, non-gender specific. Just a label for when you’re doing too much. By the way, I’m black, independent, and I don’t think OP was doing to much. I probably would have done the same thing she did, but not because I was afraid of being labeled as an angry black woman, but rather because I understand all of us are doing the best we can during the complicated and uncertain era.

Please don’t assume that you are talking to one poster. I’ve posted only one other time, and it was to provide links of #Karen amongst the majority of the community that is trending the term (Gen Z, Y). White women were calling other women Karens, because it’s about being extra.

We just call a racist a racist. I’m not giving racists any veiled cloaks to hide under. They have enough of those!

You seem like a nice person, and I like you. But I am going to to have to agree to disagree with you that Karen is not gender specific

Ditto. I agree with a lot of what you're saying. But Karen is definitely gender specific, as the whole picture of Trump with a bad (women's) haircut makes clear.

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I think this is the problem with the stereotype - even complaining are turned into women. And, I think that’s a problem for all women.

ITA. Any woman who dares complain is a problem; many people, like pp, argue that a complaining woman is as bad as a racist.

Thank you!! And I meant to say the problem with the stereotype is that even complaining MEN are turned into women.

That meme is funny. Trump is extra. Like an entitled Karen.

Ohhh, now I get it. Conservative pp who loves "Karen" labels doesn't want to call her conservative president a racist or a jerk. To her, Trump is just a little "extra"; Trump is a "Karen."

Which proves the point that "Karen" is being used very broadly, from simply complainers ... to those who are "extra" ... to those who are straight-up racists or jerks.

Conservative pp is calling people idiots for not accepting her broad definition. Which makes her a Karen, I guess.

So, Conservative Karen, how do you like being lumped in with the racist Karens? Judging by how you're desperately denying you're a Karen, I'd guess you don't like it very much.

I posted about the meme being funny. I’m not reading all these pages of clucking to make a point. But consensus is that Karen is literally non-race specific, non-gender specific. Just a label for when you’re doing too much. By the way, I’m black, independent, and I don’t think OP was doing to much. I probably would have done the same thing she did, but not because I was afraid of being labeled as an angry black woman, but rather because I understand all of us are doing the best we can during the complicated and uncertain era.

Please don’t assume that you are talking to one poster. I’ve posted only one other time, and it was to provide links of #Karen amongst the majority of the community that is trending the term (Gen Z, Y). White women were calling other women Karens, because it’s about being extra.

We just call a racist a racist. I’m not giving racists any veiled cloaks to hide under. They have enough of those!

You seem like a nice person, and I like you. But I am going to to have to agree to disagree with you that Karen is not gender specific

Ditto. I agree with a lot of what you're saying. But Karen is definitely gender specific, as the whole picture of Trump with a bad (women's) haircut makes clear.

Cool. Come join us for the cocktails. If you’re expecting or against drinking I’ll make a mocktail for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain the notion that conservatives love the Karen meme besides them using it to claim reverse racism?

It's conservatives who are posting (a lot) that Karen is a perfectly fine way to diss someone, be it a man, woman, CIS, or other, who is behaving in a way you don't like. No clue if that's widespread on social media or specific to DCUM.

It is consistent with a disregard for misogyny.

Elaborate. What types of behaviors do you not like? Would you too argue for a gluten free bun? I’m fine with shelving the Karen term and just calling that behavior entitled.

And I’m not a conservative.

Entitled is a great term to use. And call a racist like Amy Cooper a racist!

I'm not the one cataloguing undesirable behaviors. That's the conservatives here, who are trying to define a "Karen" by this, that, or another behavior, all of which seem to shift to fit the circumstances. Also, I'd never stomp my feet about a gluten-free bun. I'd love a cocktail though.

The concern I have, and that some others apparently share, is that some people are using "Karen" to shut down any woman being assertive. For a great example of that, go back to the first two pages of this thread. OP is concerned about getting COVID so she wants curbside delivery, and when the smoothie place that promised curbside delivery doesn't provide it, she thinks about talking to the manager. There's no evidence OP was going to yell at anybody, use white women's tears, or anything else. And the kicker is that she didn't even talk to anybody and she was about as unassertive as it gets: she just thought about talking to somebody. Cue... two pages calling OP a Karen and worse.

Plus, Karen is definitely a gendered term.

Off my soapbox now. I did spend some time at the protests.

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I think this is the problem with the stereotype - even complaining are turned into women. And, I think that’s a problem for all women.

ITA. Any woman who dares complain is a problem; many people, like pp, argue that a complaining woman is as bad as a racist.

Thank you!! And I meant to say the problem with the stereotype is that even complaining MEN are turned into women.

That meme is funny. Trump is extra. Like an entitled Karen.

Ohhh, now I get it. Conservative pp who loves "Karen" labels doesn't want to call her conservative president a racist or a jerk. To her, Trump is just a little "extra"; Trump is a "Karen."

Which proves the point that "Karen" is being used very broadly, from simply complainers ... to those who are "extra" ... to those who are straight-up racists or jerks.

Conservative pp is calling people idiots for not accepting her broad definition. Which makes her a Karen, I guess.

So, Conservative Karen, how do you like being lumped in with the racist Karens? Judging by how you're desperately denying you're a Karen, I'd guess you don't like it very much.

I posted about the meme being funny. I’m not reading all these pages of clucking to make a point. But consensus is that Karen is literally non-race specific, non-gender specific. Just a label for when you’re doing too much. By the way, I’m black, independent, and I don’t think OP was doing to much. I probably would have done the same thing she did, but not because I was afraid of being labeled as an angry black woman, but rather because I understand all of us are doing the best we can during the complicated and uncertain era.

Please don’t assume that you are talking to one poster. I’ve posted only one other time, and it was to provide links of #Karen amongst the majority of the community that is trending the term (Gen Z, Y). White women were calling other women Karens, because it’s about being extra.

We just call a racist a racist. I’m not giving racists any veiled cloaks to hide under. They have enough of those!

You seem like a nice person, and I like you. But I am going to to have to agree to disagree with you that Karen is not gender specific

Ditto. I agree with a lot of what you're saying. But Karen is definitely gender specific, as the whole picture of Trump with a bad (women's) haircut makes clear.

Cool. Come join us for the cocktails. If you’re expecting or against drinking I’ll make a mocktail for you.

I'm totally down for cocktails with the alcohol, thanks!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain the notion that conservatives love the Karen meme besides them using it to claim reverse racism?

It's conservatives who are posting (a lot) that Karen is a perfectly fine way to diss someone, be it a man, woman, CIS, or other, who is behaving in a way you don't like. No clue if that's widespread on social media or specific to DCUM.

It is consistent with a disregard for misogyny.

I have been following this thread and you seem to be ignoring a lot progressive voices saying that OP's assertion that the Karen meme has silenced her from speaking out about injustice and her smoothie example are actually consistent with the Karen stereotype.

The dogged insistence by some posters here that misogyny is the real issue shifts the focus from racial injustice. Can we please not get distracted and make it all about our (white) feelings again?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain the notion that conservatives love the Karen meme besides them using it to claim reverse racism?

It's conservatives who are posting (a lot) that Karen is a perfectly fine way to diss someone, be it a man, woman, CIS, or other, who is behaving in a way you don't like. No clue if that's widespread on social media or specific to DCUM.

It is consistent with a disregard for misogyny.

I have been following this thread and you seem to be ignoring a lot progressive voices saying that OP's assertion that the Karen meme has silenced her from speaking out about injustice and her smoothie example are actually consistent with the Karen stereotype.

The dogged insistence by some posters here that misogyny is the real issue shifts the focus from racial injustice. Can we please not get distracted and make it all about our (white) feelings again?

This is hard to follow. It’s not clear whether you’re concerned about misogyny (it would appear not?) or racism.

In any case, lots of us are very concerned about racial issues as well. I can’t speak for anybody else here, but I’ve been reading up on white fragility and defunding the police, and my kids and I went to the protests at Lafayette square. But I am also taking some time out for misogyny.

It’s just that creating a new stereotype to hate on—white women—isn’t helpful to any cause.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For a group of people “being silenced”, 46 pages of thread seems to suggest otherwise.

Drama queens.

NP Silence in public not DCUM.

True story: My dog and I were walking and a man had his dog off leash and ran up to my dog. I told him to get his dog away and he tried to tell me "his dog is friendly" and "I should take my dog to dog parks for socialization" He was in the wrong and yet was lecturing me how to take care of my dog ( rescue btw who sometimes bites when scared) He was a person of color so there is no way in hell I would call anyone for help because I would be called a "Karen".

My dog is a sweet dog but, we avoid all dogs. This dog was a pit bull but, I don't care if it is a lab, or bulldog. We stay away.

It is a wild, wild west out there and I don't think you people get it. And yes, I don't feel safe But, I know you people will come on and say I deserve it.

But what if a white man did that to a black women? Would you be outraged?

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Anonymous wrote:I am a white middle aged woman. Due to the Karen meme I feel like I lost my voice. When there is an injustice, I will hesitate to speak up. Don’t get me wrong, there are certainly a subset of entitled middle aged white women, however, there are other non entitled white women as well who now feel silenced after fighting to find our voice.

iF the Karen meme makes you feel like you've lost your voice, you are most likely a Karen.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a white middle aged woman. Due to the Karen meme I feel like I lost my voice. When there is an injustice, I will hesitate to speak up. Don’t get me wrong, there are certainly a subset of entitled middle aged white women, however, there are other non entitled white women as well who now feel silenced after fighting to find our voice.

iF the Karen meme makes you feel like you've lost your voice, you are most likely a Karen.

Ignore this troll, folks. S/he gets her rocks off by calling people names she thinks they don't like. Karen, in this case.

Trying to re-start this thread is a pretty pathetic trolling effort.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For a group of people “being silenced”, 46 pages of thread seems to suggest otherwise.

Drama queens.

NP Silence in public not DCUM.

True story: My dog and I were walking and a man had his dog off leash and ran up to my dog. I told him to get his dog away and he tried to tell me "his dog is friendly" and "I should take my dog to dog parks for socialization" He was in the wrong and yet was lecturing me how to take care of my dog ( rescue btw who sometimes bites when scared) He was a person of color so there is no way in hell I would call anyone for help because I would be called a "Karen".

My dog is a sweet dog but, we avoid all dogs. This dog was a pit bull but, I don't care if it is a lab, or bulldog. We stay away.

It is a wild, wild west out there and I don't think you people get it. And yes, I don't feel safe But, I know you people will come on and say I deserve it.

But what if a white man did that to a black women? Would you be outraged?

Also best to ignore this poster, who seems to want to talk about race relations (her hypothetical is a transparent twist on the Amy Cooper situation) more than Karenning. Probably a troll too.

[Anonymous]

There are nice ways to say things and nice gestures and "normal complaints" and there are just uncalled for comments about people based on their own judgement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For a group of people “being silenced”, 46 pages of thread seems to suggest otherwise.

Drama queens.

NP Silence in public not DCUM.

True story: My dog and I were walking and a man had his dog off leash and ran up to my dog. I told him to get his dog away and he tried to tell me "his dog is friendly" and "I should take my dog to dog parks for socialization" He was in the wrong and yet was lecturing me how to take care of my dog ( rescue btw who sometimes bites when scared) He was a person of color so there is no way in hell I would call anyone for help because I would be called a "Karen".

My dog is a sweet dog but, we avoid all dogs. This dog was a pit bull but, I don't care if it is a lab, or bulldog. We stay away.

It is a wild, wild west out there and I don't think you people get it. And yes, I don't feel safe But, I know you people will come on and say I deserve it.

But what if a white man did that to a black women? Would you be outraged?

Also best to ignore this poster, who seems to want to talk about race relations (her hypothetical is a transparent twist on the Amy Cooper situation) more than Karenning. Probably a troll too.

I am not a troll. It happened before the pandemic and it happened yesterday. His dog was off leach and ran over to my dog. This happens all the time. Which part dont you believe? That it was a black man who owned this dog? That I am a white woman who was minding their own business with my dog? That he didnt lecture me on how nice his dog is?

Pray tell me. I didnt call the police the first time nor the second time. Police wouldn't protect me anyway. And yes ironically one time I called the police on a white woman whose off leash dogs attacked mine!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For a group of people “being silenced”, 46 pages of thread seems to suggest otherwise.

Drama queens.

NP Silence in public not DCUM.

True story: My dog and I were walking and a man had his dog off leash and ran up to my dog. I told him to get his dog away and he tried to tell me "his dog is friendly" and "I should take my dog to dog parks for socialization" He was in the wrong and yet was lecturing me how to take care of my dog ( rescue btw who sometimes bites when scared) He was a person of color so there is no way in hell I would call anyone for help because I would be called a "Karen".

My dog is a sweet dog but, we avoid all dogs. This dog was a pit bull but, I don't care if it is a lab, or bulldog. We stay away.

It is a wild, wild west out there and I don't think you people get it. And yes, I don't feel safe But, I know you people will come on and say I deserve it.

But what if a white man did that to a black women? Would you be outraged?

Also best to ignore this poster, who seems to want to talk about race relations (her hypothetical is a transparent twist on the Amy Cooper situation) more than Karenning. Probably a troll too.

I am not a troll. It happened before the pandemic and it happened yesterday. His dog was off leach and ran over to my dog. This happens all the time. Which part dont you believe? That it was a black man who owned this dog? That I am a white woman who was minding their own business with my dog? That he didnt lecture me on how nice his dog is?

Pray tell me. I didnt call the police the first time nor the second time. Police wouldn't protect me anyway. And yes ironically one time I called the police on a white woman whose off leash dogs attacked mine!

Forgot to add..thanks OP for proving my point. A perfect example of silencing me!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For a group of people “being silenced”, 46 pages of thread seems to suggest otherwise.

Drama queens.

NP Silence in public not DCUM.

True story: My dog and I were walking and a man had his dog off leash and ran up to my dog. I told him to get his dog away and he tried to tell me "his dog is friendly" and "I should take my dog to dog parks for socialization" He was in the wrong and yet was lecturing me how to take care of my dog ( rescue btw who sometimes bites when scared) He was a person of color so there is no way in hell I would call anyone for help because I would be called a "Karen".

My dog is a sweet dog but, we avoid all dogs. This dog was a pit bull but, I don't care if it is a lab, or bulldog. We stay away.

It is a wild, wild west out there and I don't think you people get it. And yes, I don't feel safe But, I know you people will come on and say I deserve it.

But what if a white man did that to a black women? Would you be outraged?

Also best to ignore this poster, who seems to want to talk about race relations (her hypothetical is a transparent twist on the Amy Cooper situation) more than Karenning. Probably a troll too.

I am not a troll. It happened before the pandemic and it happened yesterday. His dog was off leach and ran over to my dog. This happens all the time. Which part dont you believe? That it was a black man who owned this dog? That I am a white woman who was minding their own business with my dog? That he didnt lecture me on how nice his dog is?

Pray tell me. I didnt call the police the first time nor the second time. Police wouldn't protect me anyway. And yes ironically one time I called the police on a white woman whose off leash dogs attacked mine!

Forgot to add..thanks OP for proving my point. A perfect example of silencing me!

Meant pp of course

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For a group of people “being silenced”, 46 pages of thread seems to suggest otherwise.

Drama queens.

NP Silence in public not DCUM.

True story: My dog and I were walking and a man had his dog off leash and ran up to my dog. I told him to get his dog away and he tried to tell me "his dog is friendly" and "I should take my dog to dog parks for socialization" He was in the wrong and yet was lecturing me how to take care of my dog ( rescue btw who sometimes bites when scared) He was a person of color so there is no way in hell I would call anyone for help because I would be called a "Karen".

My dog is a sweet dog but, we avoid all dogs. This dog was a pit bull but, I don't care if it is a lab, or bulldog. We stay away.

It is a wild, wild west out there and I don't think you people get it. And yes, I don't feel safe But, I know you people will come on and say I deserve it.

But what if a white man did that to a black women? Would you be outraged?

Outraged? I'd be annoyed, maybe. But this is not worthy of a call to the police no matter the color of skin, possibly animal control if you really want to make a point. If his dog isn't aggressive, just state the policy (if you feel strongly about it) and move along. If his dog was attacking you or yours, that is a different story. Call the police, no matter the color.