Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?

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Anonymous wrote:People affected by this who currently are zoned for Wootton will lose a considerable amount of their property value I would assume? So they will just sell, move to much cheaper areas and then send to private (which they will now be able to afford since they are no longer paying for a house in the Wootton district). That’s how I see this playing out if H goes forward.

Selling at a loss, people are going to go bankrupt.

So much hysteria. Why would the value of your house go precipitously down when your high school changes from a crumbling building 1 mile from your house to a new building 3 miles from your house, with all of the same students?

Bigotry

You won’t be able to sell your home to bigots and they are a large share of the market in that part of the county.

The bigger problem is some will want a newer HS and a nice new house, and will not want their old, outdated million dollar homes so values may go down because of that. And, all the problems Wootton has had.

Some of the newest schools in the county are also the lowest performing. I love how some people think somehow a new building increases academic performance. Those things are not related. Nobody cares how “new” a school is.

Finally, a new voice and point raised after numerous pages of the same arguments being rehashed. Wootton has done well DESPITE a facility needing remediation. I wonder if the naysayers on this thread can explain that.

Its not the building that makes the school, its the people. So, if you move the entire school population to a new school you still have the same school in a different location.

that’s not what they are doing though.

They are offering it as Wootton parents are demanding an immediate so,union and this is the best one.

And Wootton families can reject that offer. If MCPS could force Option H, it wouldn’t be optional.

Wootton families (and non-Wooton families) are giving their feedback on the various options. But they are not accepting or rejecting options. The superintendent and the BOE are in charge here, and, like it or not, can "force" their preferred option.

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I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

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Anonymous wrote:People affected by this who currently are zoned for Wootton will lose a considerable amount of their property value I would assume? So they will just sell, move to much cheaper areas and then send to private (which they will now be able to afford since they are no longer paying for a house in the Wootton district). That’s how I see this playing out if H goes forward.

Selling at a loss, people are going to go bankrupt.

So much hysteria. Why would the value of your house go precipitously down when your high school changes from a crumbling building 1 mile from your house to a new building 3 miles from your house, with all of the same students?

Bigotry

You won’t be able to sell your home to bigots and they are a large share of the market in that part of the county.

The bigger problem is some will want a newer HS and a nice new house, and will not want their old, outdated million dollar homes so values may go down because of that. And, all the problems Wootton has had.

Some of the newest schools in the county are also the lowest performing. I love how some people think somehow a new building increases academic performance. Those things are not related. Nobody cares how “new” a school is.

Finally, a new voice and point raised after numerous pages of the same arguments being rehashed. Wootton has done well DESPITE a facility needing remediation. I wonder if the naysayers on this thread can explain that.

Its not the building that makes the school, its the people. So, if you move the entire school population to a new school you still have the same school in a different location.

Not if you add another 30% of kids from other schools to that school population. If this weren't the case, then Wootton families would be less opposed to it. But it's not. Rather, this is an effort to realize the boundary changes that were unsuccessful in years past. This fact must be combined with the other problems with such a move, including walkability, traffic problems, etc...

So there it is. You (and I won't ascribe this to all "Wootton families") want your kid segregated into a population that you feel is "better" than others, and couldn't tolerate even a minority portion being added in with your kid.

A PP (maybe even you) argued that Crown would be the same as Wootton. It won’t be the same student body made up from the same neighborhoods. Hence, it won’t be Wootton no matter what you call Crown. You have finally realized this, so you changed tactics.

It’s not self-segregation when MCPS drew the boundaries in the first place, which it is now trying to change by moving the school itself (after failing to move the boundaries). Market forces resulted in Wootton becoming the success that it is today. You don’t like that, so you want to redistribute the intellectual concentration at Wootton in the interest of promoting equity.

It wasn't me who said there would be no change.

You don't want a new population of students added to the existing population of students. And it comes from a place of believing the existing population is "better." It absolutely is a desire to be segregated. Makes no difference if there is existing segregation you want to maintain, or you want new segregation. (And I said nothing at all like the bolded.)

No, it doesn’t. Preserving what exists does not flow from a sense of superiority. It comes from a desire to maintain a community identity that has existed for 55 years. You don’t like that identity.

Can you elaborate on this "community identity"? And at this point you are just objecting to my assertion for the motivation behind your desire to segregate, not denying that you are a segregationist?

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Anonymous wrote:People affected by this who currently are zoned for Wootton will lose a considerable amount of their property value I would assume? So they will just sell, move to much cheaper areas and then send to private (which they will now be able to afford since they are no longer paying for a house in the Wootton district). That’s how I see this playing out if H goes forward.

Selling at a loss, people are going to go bankrupt.

So much hysteria. Why would the value of your house go precipitously down when your high school changes from a crumbling building 1 mile from your house to a new building 3 miles from your house, with all of the same students?

Bigotry

You won’t be able to sell your home to bigots and they are a large share of the market in that part of the county.

The bigger problem is some will want a newer HS and a nice new house, and will not want their old, outdated million dollar homes so values may go down because of that. And, all the problems Wootton has had.

Some of the newest schools in the county are also the lowest performing. I love how some people think somehow a new building increases academic performance. Those things are not related. Nobody cares how “new” a school is.

Finally, a new voice and point raised after numerous pages of the same arguments being rehashed. Wootton has done well DESPITE a facility needing remediation. I wonder if the naysayers on this thread can explain that.

Its not the building that makes the school, its the people. So, if you move the entire school population to a new school you still have the same school in a different location.

that’s not what they are doing though.

They are offering it as Wootton parents are demanding an immediate so,union and this is the best one.

And Wootton families can reject that offer. If MCPS could force Option H, it wouldn’t be optional.

They absolutely can "force" it through their authority/obligation to make a decision. The "option" was always theirs. To try to construe it as "optional" for everybody is just silliness.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

Actual Option H has Crown with 1999 resident students. That doesn't include students from elsewhere in the region attending programs at Crown.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1puaEmpTqC8q5LpGzPTs2a0dKYQSrvnaR/view

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

Initially, yes. But the long term goal is to fill the school to capacity by moving more kids. But yes they are trying to make it sound totally harmless to make people accept it and then they will do whatever they want.

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Just another thought that I don't think many people are considering..

This is a long term decision. The "community identity" or both Wootton and any other HS are going to change, likely significantly, regardless of what happens here. As many have noted, there is a ton of new development around Crown, and as families move into those homes and children grow, the demographics/SES/"parent involvement" will change. Similarly, there is a lot of development around Wootton, and a lot of feds fleeing the area. THAT community will change.

So any argument based on preserving the status quo of "the community" or (even worse) negative influence of the GHS students....really doesn't hold much sway.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

Initially, yes. But the long term goal is to fill the school to capacity by moving more kids. But yes they are trying to make it sound totally harmless to make people accept it and then they will do whatever they want.

Except that "long term goal" is pure speculation.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

Initially, yes. But the long term goal is to fill the school to capacity by moving more kids. But yes they are trying to make it sound totally harmless to make people accept it and then they will do whatever they want.

Except that "long term goal" is pure speculation.

haha ok.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

Initially, yes. But the long term goal is to fill the school to capacity by moving more kids. But yes they are trying to make it sound totally harmless to make people accept it and then they will do whatever they want.

Isn't the capacity of the school 2200?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

Actual Option H has Crown with 1999 resident students. That doesn't include students from elsewhere in the region attending programs at Crown.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1puaEmpTqC8q5LpGzPTs2a0dKYQSrvnaR/view

Wow, so as proposed about 90% of students in Crown would come from Wootton in Option H, not 80% as I thought?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

Initially, yes. But the long term goal is to fill the school to capacity by moving more kids. But yes they are trying to make it sound totally harmless to make people accept it and then they will do whatever they want.

Isn't the capacity of the school 2200?

They are already planning to expand it. And I thought the initial capacity was more than 2200? Regardless, How will they rationalize not redistricting Fallsgrove to Crown when it’s so close? To have those students go to RM would be crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

Initially, yes. But the long term goal is to fill the school to capacity by moving more kids. But yes they are trying to make it sound totally harmless to make people accept it and then they will do whatever they want.

Except that "long term goal" is pure speculation.

And it "initially, yes" isn't even true, as the poster with the direct reference, above, pointed out -- the projection is 1999 total resident students in 2031-32 for option H, not 2200 (which would be capacity). As noted, that doesn't include those who might attend a regional magnet there from outside the catchment. It also doesn't account for those from inside the catchment going to one of the other regional magnets. It is unclear how many from the catchments (for any of the schools, and for which, if not drawing from all) were deducted to meet the assumptions of 600 outside students at Poolesville and 500 at Seneca Valley.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

No, 1900 Wootton students +500ish in crown/fields road per option table

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

Actual Option H has Crown with 1999 resident students. That doesn't include students from elsewhere in the region attending programs at Crown.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1puaEmpTqC8q5LpGzPTs2a0dKYQSrvnaR/view

Wow, so as proposed about 90% of students in Crown would come from Wootton in Option H, not 80% as I thought?

No. As yet another poster in this thread (or another one) pointed out, the Wootton-only projection is exemplified by option G, which shows 1897 resident-area students. With option H having 1999, and with the only difference being the area immediately around Crown (currently the portion of the Rosemont elementary catchment on the west side iof I-270), those not "coming from Wootton" are projected to be 102, or a bit more than 5%.

The thing is that these options are not final, acting to illustrate various possibilities to facilitate discussion. They may use H as it exists or as a starting point. Some have suggested adding Fields Road to Wootton at Crown, with its proximity and the stated intent for Crown to serve Gaithersburg populations. If that is done without additional shifts, whether from whole elementaries or from changes coming with the elementary boundary study, or without a further build-out of Crown, itself, Wootton at Crown would be projected to exceed the 2219 capacity.