Pete Hedgseth for Secretary of Defense

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2020 our Secretary of Defense nominee said there would be civil war if Democrats won the Presidency, and that the military would have to chose sides

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/22/trump-defense-secretary-pete-hegseth-book

+1 Jonathan Chait with The Atlantic has read all of his books (three in the last few years) and there’s tons of disqualifying stuff in there. That public education is a communist plot, that vaccines are poison, and that socialists were responsible for the Holocaust, among others.

"The main question I was looking to answer when I started reading Hegseth’s collected works was whether he would follow a Trump command to shoot peaceful protesters. After having read them, I don’t think he would even wait for the order."

Hegseth “considers himself to be at war with basically everybody to Trump’s left, and it is by no means clear that he means war metaphorically.”

He calls for the “categorical defeat of the Left” and says that without its “utter annihilation,” “America cannot, and will not, survive.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/11/pete-hegseth-books-trump/680744/?gift=cAi0XjdW-W3cRUws9AyEUl0t-yYFv3CC0oliageSwyk&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=social

And again, these views and his disgusting behavior in his personal life are second and third to the fact that he’s never run an organization with more than a couple dozen people and to put him in charge of the largest bureaucracy in the world is insane.

This. This is the material point. Even if he was the squeakiest clean choir boy in terms of his personal life, he's still not qualified to be the Secretary of Defense.

I realize the media enjoys the circus and the right wingers desperately want to distract from the fact that Hedgesth isn't qualified but I hope Senate Democrats don't take the bait and go after him on substance.

We can only hope the GOP will leak some stuff about him. Or, Thune gets a backbone and demands to vote on the appointees and strikes him and Gabbard down.

None of that’s happening.

President Trump wants Hegseth head up DoD. So Hegseth will head up DoD. PERIOD.

He may be confirmed or Acting, but he’s going to be the Secretary. Nobody better try to cross the President, be it Thune or anyone else.

President Trump needs to release high-powered guns and ammo to his militias. To crack down on the enemies within you need to leverage overwhelming power. Hegseth will try to order the military to do this, but it would be easier to let the militias carry out the pogrom and just have the military and the LEOs look the other way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I encourage everyone concerned about this to read the entire police report and make your own assessment. The report can be found here: https://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/11-20-24-Mediaite.pdf

There is a lot of misinformation on this thread. For example, is nothing in the police report about it being part of her job to get him to his room.

I find a lot about the allegation to not be credible but the thing that sticks out the most is that witnesses say she was fine the next day. She says she thinks she may have been drugged. Anyone who has actually been roofied knows that you feel like a train rolled over you the next day.

That's not true. I was roofied and other than feeling a little tired I was fine the next day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2020 our Secretary of Defense nominee said there would be civil war if Democrats won the Presidency, and that the military would have to chose sides

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/22/trump-defense-secretary-pete-hegseth-book

+1 Jonathan Chait with The Atlantic has read all of his books (three in the last few years) and there’s tons of disqualifying stuff in there. That public education is a communist plot, that vaccines are poison, and that socialists were responsible for the Holocaust, among others.

"The main question I was looking to answer when I started reading Hegseth’s collected works was whether he would follow a Trump command to shoot peaceful protesters. After having read them, I don’t think he would even wait for the order."

Hegseth “considers himself to be at war with basically everybody to Trump’s left, and it is by no means clear that he means war metaphorically.”

He calls for the “categorical defeat of the Left” and says that without its “utter annihilation,” “America cannot, and will not, survive.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/11/pete-hegseth-books-trump/680744/?gift=cAi0XjdW-W3cRUws9AyEUl0t-yYFv3CC0oliageSwyk&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=social

And again, these views and his disgusting behavior in his personal life are second and third to the fact that he’s never run an organization with more than a couple dozen people and to put him in charge of the largest bureaucracy in the world is insane.

This. This is the material point. Even if he was the squeakiest clean choir boy in terms of his personal life, he's still not qualified to be the Secretary of Defense.

I realize the media enjoys the circus and the right wingers desperately want to distract from the fact that Hedgesth isn't qualified but I hope Senate Democrats don't take the bait and go after him on substance.

We can only hope the GOP will leak some stuff about him. Or, Thune gets a backbone and demands to vote on the appointees and strikes him and Gabbard down.

None of that’s happening.

President Trump wants Hegseth head up DoD. So Hegseth will head up DoD. PERIOD.

He may be confirmed or Acting, but he’s going to be the Secretary. Nobody better try to cross the President, be it Thune or anyone else.

President Trump needs to release high-powered guns and ammo to his militias. To crack down on the enemies within you need to leverage overwhelming power. Hegseth will try to order the military to do this, but it would be easier to let the militias carry out the pogrom and just have the military and the LEOs look the other way.

Is that what you said on the Gaetz thread too? Do you think if you just say something enough times, it will become true?

SMH

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I encourage everyone concerned about this to read the entire police report and make your own assessment. The report can be found here: https://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/11-20-24-Mediaite.pdf

There is a lot of misinformation on this thread. For example, is nothing in the police report about it being part of her job to get him to his room.

I find a lot about the allegation to not be credible but the thing that sticks out the most is that witnesses say she was fine the next day. She says she thinks she may have been drugged. Anyone who has actually been roofied knows that you feel like a train rolled over you the next day.

That's not true. I was roofied and other than feeling a little tired I was fine the next day.

Anyone can claim they were roofied. There was no factual evidence that she was in this case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2020 our Secretary of Defense nominee said there would be civil war if Democrats won the Presidency, and that the military would have to chose sides

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/22/trump-defense-secretary-pete-hegseth-book

+1 Jonathan Chait with The Atlantic has read all of his books (three in the last few years) and there’s tons of disqualifying stuff in there. That public education is a communist plot, that vaccines are poison, and that socialists were responsible for the Holocaust, among others.

"The main question I was looking to answer when I started reading Hegseth’s collected works was whether he would follow a Trump command to shoot peaceful protesters. After having read them, I don’t think he would even wait for the order."

Hegseth “considers himself to be at war with basically everybody to Trump’s left, and it is by no means clear that he means war metaphorically.”

He calls for the “categorical defeat of the Left” and says that without its “utter annihilation,” “America cannot, and will not, survive.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/11/pete-hegseth-books-trump/680744/?gift=cAi0XjdW-W3cRUws9AyEUl0t-yYFv3CC0oliageSwyk&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=social

And again, these views and his disgusting behavior in his personal life are second and third to the fact that he’s never run an organization with more than a couple dozen people and to put him in charge of the largest bureaucracy in the world is insane.

This. This is the material point. Even if he was the squeakiest clean choir boy in terms of his personal life, he's still not qualified to be the Secretary of Defense.

I realize the media enjoys the circus and the right wingers desperately want to distract from the fact that Hedgesth isn't qualified but I hope Senate Democrats don't take the bait and go after him on substance.

We can only hope the GOP will leak some stuff about him. Or, Thune gets a backbone and demands to vote on the appointees and strikes him and Gabbard down.

None of that’s happening.

President Trump wants Hegseth head up DoD. So Hegseth will head up DoD. PERIOD.

He may be confirmed or Acting, but he’s going to be the Secretary. Nobody better try to cross the President, be it Thune or anyone else.

President Trump needs to release high-powered guns and ammo to his militias. To crack down on the enemies within you need to leverage overwhelming power. Hegseth will try to order the military to do this, but it would be easier to let the militias carry out the pogrom and just have the military and the LEOs look the other way.

Is that what you said on the Gaetz thread too? Do you think if you just say something enough times, it will become true?

SMH

Just make sure you’re not on record opposing Trump and Hegseth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Right wing apparatus is digging in.

That's Matt Walsh -- not exactly someone who reflects the attitudes of the average Republican Senator. And ultimately it doesn't even matter what they think if public sentiment turns on Hegseth. One think no one even talks about yet is what Hegseth would be like in confirmation hearings. This dude is smarmy and not that bright and it shows. He struggles with whatever passes for witty banter on Fox & Friends, he's not going to handle being questioned by dozens of senators over multiple hours on national television well. Even if they can get to hearings without public sentiment going way south, that footage is going to be brutal.

Matt Walsh is the top personality at Daily Wire, which is quite literally the #1 right wing website on the internet. Matt ain’t tweeting that unless there is a choreographed defense of Pete.

Some of you people have lost your minds. Republicans in the Senate don't care what Matt Walsh or his wife beater brigade think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2020 our Secretary of Defense nominee said there would be civil war if Democrats won the Presidency, and that the military would have to chose sides

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/22/trump-defense-secretary-pete-hegseth-book

+1 Jonathan Chait with The Atlantic has read all of his books (three in the last few years) and there’s tons of disqualifying stuff in there. That public education is a communist plot, that vaccines are poison, and that socialists were responsible for the Holocaust, among others.

"The main question I was looking to answer when I started reading Hegseth’s collected works was whether he would follow a Trump command to shoot peaceful protesters. After having read them, I don’t think he would even wait for the order."

Hegseth “considers himself to be at war with basically everybody to Trump’s left, and it is by no means clear that he means war metaphorically.”

He calls for the “categorical defeat of the Left” and says that without its “utter annihilation,” “America cannot, and will not, survive.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/11/pete-hegseth-books-trump/680744/?gift=cAi0XjdW-W3cRUws9AyEUl0t-yYFv3CC0oliageSwyk&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=social

And again, these views and his disgusting behavior in his personal life are second and third to the fact that he’s never run an organization with more than a couple dozen people and to put him in charge of the largest bureaucracy in the world is insane.

This. This is the material point. Even if he was the squeakiest clean choir boy in terms of his personal life, he's still not qualified to be the Secretary of Defense.

I realize the media enjoys the circus and the right wingers desperately want to distract from the fact that Hedgesth isn't qualified but I hope Senate Democrats don't take the bait and go after him on substance.

We can only hope the GOP will leak some stuff about him. Or, Thune gets a backbone and demands to vote on the appointees and strikes him and Gabbard down.

I'm the PP - I think at least one of the three wackjob nominees will make it through. Gaetz already withdrew, so either Hegseth or Gabbard is getting through. Maybe both. I don't see Republican Senators standing up to Trump publicly and refusing to confirm, but only three have to vote no. Who has nothing to lose? If they do I think it would be against Hegseth. I don't think Gabbard is astute enough to figure out how to exercise any levers of power as DNI and we've had bozos in that role before so it wouldn't be a new thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I encourage everyone concerned about this to read the entire police report and make your own assessment. The report can be found here: https://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/11-20-24-Mediaite.pdf

There is a lot of misinformation on this thread. For example, is nothing in the police report about it being part of her job to get him to his room.

I find a lot about the allegation to not be credible but the thing that sticks out the most is that witnesses say she was fine the next day. She says she thinks she may have been drugged. Anyone who has actually been roofied knows that you feel like a train rolled over you the next day.

That's not true. I was roofied and other than feeling a little tired I was fine the next day.

I prosecuted sexual assault cases - the woman's behavior in this case fits the pattern of someone who was roofied. And Hegseth's interview (claiming to not remember the argument at the pool and acting like he had no idea why she was in his room) was really weak.

We do not want this man as Secretary of Defense - he'd be compromised SO fast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I encourage everyone concerned about this to read the entire police report and make your own assessment. The report can be found here: https://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/11-20-24-Mediaite.pdf

There is a lot of misinformation on this thread. For example, is nothing in the police report about it being part of her job to get him to his room.

I find a lot about the allegation to not be credible but the thing that sticks out the most is that witnesses say she was fine the next day. She says she thinks she may have been drugged. Anyone who has actually been roofied knows that you feel like a train rolled over you the next day.

That's not true. I was roofied and other than feeling a little tired I was fine the next day.

I prosecuted sexual assault cases - the woman's behavior in this case fits the pattern of someone who was roofied. And Hegseth's interview (claiming to not remember the argument at the pool and acting like he had no idea why she was in his room) was really weak.

We do not want this man as Secretary of Defense - he'd be compromised SO fast.

You don’t think that he’s already compromised?

I thought that was the only prerequisite to join the administration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2020 our Secretary of Defense nominee said there would be civil war if Democrats won the Presidency, and that the military would have to chose sides

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/22/trump-defense-secretary-pete-hegseth-book

+1 Jonathan Chait with The Atlantic has read all of his books (three in the last few years) and there’s tons of disqualifying stuff in there. That public education is a communist plot, that vaccines are poison, and that socialists were responsible for the Holocaust, among others.

"The main question I was looking to answer when I started reading Hegseth’s collected works was whether he would follow a Trump command to shoot peaceful protesters. After having read them, I don’t think he would even wait for the order."

Hegseth “considers himself to be at war with basically everybody to Trump’s left, and it is by no means clear that he means war metaphorically.”

He calls for the “categorical defeat of the Left” and says that without its “utter annihilation,” “America cannot, and will not, survive.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/11/pete-hegseth-books-trump/680744/?gift=cAi0XjdW-W3cRUws9AyEUl0t-yYFv3CC0oliageSwyk&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=social

And again, these views and his disgusting behavior in his personal life are second and third to the fact that he’s never run an organization with more than a couple dozen people and to put him in charge of the largest bureaucracy in the world is insane.

This. This is the material point. Even if he was the squeakiest clean choir boy in terms of his personal life, he's still not qualified to be the Secretary of Defense.

I realize the media enjoys the circus and the right wingers desperately want to distract from the fact that Hedgesth isn't qualified but I hope Senate Democrats don't take the bait and go after him on substance.

We can only hope the GOP will leak some stuff about him. Or, Thune gets a backbone and demands to vote on the appointees and strikes him and Gabbard down.

I'm the PP - I think at least one of the three wackjob nominees will make it through. Gaetz already withdrew, so either Hegseth or Gabbard is getting through. Maybe both. I don't see Republican Senators standing up to Trump publicly and refusing to confirm, but only three have to vote no. Who has nothing to lose? If they do I think it would be against Hegseth. I don't think Gabbard is astute enough to figure out how to exercise any levers of power as DNI and we've had bozos in that role before so it wouldn't be a new thing.

I feel ancient saying this - but I thought Republicans used to be proud of the military. How can you support the military, think it's important, think the people who make up the military is important, and think this guy is remotely qualified to be Sec of Defense? Aren't you basically saying that the military is nothing other than five year olds playing Army, if you confirm this joke of a nominee?

Anyway. It is what it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2020 our Secretary of Defense nominee said there would be civil war if Democrats won the Presidency, and that the military would have to chose sides

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/22/trump-defense-secretary-pete-hegseth-book

+1 Jonathan Chait with The Atlantic has read all of his books (three in the last few years) and there’s tons of disqualifying stuff in there. That public education is a communist plot, that vaccines are poison, and that socialists were responsible for the Holocaust, among others.

"The main question I was looking to answer when I started reading Hegseth’s collected works was whether he would follow a Trump command to shoot peaceful protesters. After having read them, I don’t think he would even wait for the order."

Hegseth “considers himself to be at war with basically everybody to Trump’s left, and it is by no means clear that he means war metaphorically.”

He calls for the “categorical defeat of the Left” and says that without its “utter annihilation,” “America cannot, and will not, survive.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/11/pete-hegseth-books-trump/680744/?gift=cAi0XjdW-W3cRUws9AyEUl0t-yYFv3CC0oliageSwyk&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=social

And again, these views and his disgusting behavior in his personal life are second and third to the fact that he’s never run an organization with more than a couple dozen people and to put him in charge of the largest bureaucracy in the world is insane.

This. This is the material point. Even if he was the squeakiest clean choir boy in terms of his personal life, he's still not qualified to be the Secretary of Defense.

I realize the media enjoys the circus and the right wingers desperately want to distract from the fact that Hedgesth isn't qualified but I hope Senate Democrats don't take the bait and go after him on substance.

We can only hope the GOP will leak some stuff about him. Or, Thune gets a backbone and demands to vote on the appointees and strikes him and Gabbard down.

None of that’s happening.

President Trump wants Hegseth head up DoD. So Hegseth will head up DoD. PERIOD.

He may be confirmed or Acting, but he’s going to be the Secretary. Nobody better try to cross the President, be it Thune or anyone else.

President Trump needs to release high-powered guns and ammo to his militias. To crack down on the enemies within you need to leverage overwhelming power. Hegseth will try to order the military to do this, but it would be easier to let the militias carry out the pogrom and just have the military and the LEOs look the other way.

Uh, the GOP just crossed the felon by releasing part of the Gaetz report so they didn’t have to say they were releasing it or vote against him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I encourage everyone concerned about this to read the entire police report and make your own assessment. The report can be found here: https://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/11-20-24-Mediaite.pdf

There is a lot of misinformation on this thread. For example, is nothing in the police report about it being part of her job to get him to his room.

I find a lot about the allegation to not be credible but the thing that sticks out the most is that witnesses say she was fine the next day. She says she thinks she may have been drugged. Anyone who has actually been roofied knows that you feel like a train rolled over you the next day.

That's not true. I was roofied and other than feeling a little tired I was fine the next day.

I prosecuted sexual assault cases - the woman's behavior in this case fits the pattern of someone who was roofied. And Hegseth's interview (claiming to not remember the argument at the pool and acting like he had no idea why she was in his room) was really weak.

We do not want this man as Secretary of Defense - he'd be compromised SO fast.

Ok, internet detective. But real detectives and police investigated this and disagreed with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I encourage everyone concerned about this to read the entire police report and make your own assessment. The report can be found here: https://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/11-20-24-Mediaite.pdf

There is a lot of misinformation on this thread. For example, is nothing in the police report about it being part of her job to get him to his room.

I find a lot about the allegation to not be credible but the thing that sticks out the most is that witnesses say she was fine the next day. She says she thinks she may have been drugged. Anyone who has actually been roofied knows that you feel like a train rolled over you the next day.

That's not true. I was roofied and other than feeling a little tired I was fine the next day.

I prosecuted sexual assault cases - the woman's behavior in this case fits the pattern of someone who was roofied. And Hegseth's interview (claiming to not remember the argument at the pool and acting like he had no idea why she was in his room) was really weak.

We do not want this man as Secretary of Defense - he'd be compromised SO fast.

+1 but I think it was a tiny bit of GHB. She would be fine before and after. Some people use it recreationally.

[Anonymous]

I have never experienced so many nominees with so much contempt and malice toward federal government and toward anyone who disagrees with their views and ideology.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have never experienced so many nominees with so much contempt and malice toward federal government and toward anyone who disagrees with their views and ideology.

Yep. They were hired to “dismantle the state”.