Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)

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Anonymous wrote:Clancy has my sympathy. She is a Labor & Delivery RN now midwife in 5 days a week outpatient treatment for postpartum depression—she was trying mightily to help herself as was her husband. Sounds like crossover to postpartum psychosis—she will be heartbroken at what she did under SEVERE mental illness. My sympathies to her children deceased, her infant, her husband and yes to her. A nightmare.

I have sympathy and she tried to off herself as well. I think Yates killed her kids and didn’t do anything to herself. But..I believe this post partum psychosis is real. She is going to have to live with this forever. The sad thing is I think a lot of this is tied to lack of sleep and so many people judge if a new mom wants help. I remember I got a lot of judgement for having a night nanny. Luckily I have a great husband who basically told me to put myself first and I did. Without sleep and without an opportunity to exercise or meet with a friend then a severe depression and can develop. It seems like her husband tried and maybe things went sideways with all the meds. Seraqual is a really powerful drug and cannot believe she was on that with others. Maybe the best thing in retrospect would have been inpatient treatment. Anyway new parents should really prioritize sleep and well being. The best thing you can do for a new mom is offer to watch the baby’s so they can nap or offer to take their other kids (if they have them) out so less chaos in the house.

And maybe don’t have three kids in less than five years. Even though posters will jump on here to claim that their mom had 8 kids and didn’t kill any of them! Still, 3 kids under five in this day and age is bananas. And she wasn’t even old or facing a biological clock. What is the rush? The third clearly out her over the edge because she was seemingly ok with the first two.

So, forced abortions like in China?

You are intentionally being obtuse to PP's point, which I admit wasn't artfully made. But no, PP likely wasn't advocating for forced abortions. For a woman like Clancy--who is among the luckiest of us by having access to more knowledge, money, family/friends, and institutional support than the majority of new mothers--I think it isn't unfair to wonder why she would have so many children so closely given the difficulties she had adjusting to motherhood.

She had the kids because she wanted to them show off and brag about her easy pregnancies and brag about how fertile she is, this is an actual thing. It’s sick. She didn’t think it through, like this is a lifelong commitment, it’s quite messy and not at all glamorous. The babies were all for show, many people are doing this now, having prop babies and pets.

[Anonymous]

I love the new fad of moms with an infant strapped to their chest and pushing a toddler or two in a stroller, walking multiple rowdy dogs. there are a few of these crazy lunatics in my neighborhood. Like, why girl? Why? Just why? Is there a FB group for this or something? Moms of multiple babies under three with multiple dogs? And all walking at the same time, like look at me, look at me, please look at me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love the new fad of moms with an infant strapped to their chest and pushing a toddler or two in a stroller, walking multiple rowdy dogs. there are a few of these crazy lunatics in my neighborhood. Like, why girl? Why? Just why? Is there a FB group for this or something? Moms of multiple babies under three with multiple dogs? And all walking at the same time, like look at me, look at me, please look at me.

Haha this is pathetic and funny at the same time. Do you or anyone else other than bored boomers actually look at them though? I doubt it bc no one gives a sh$t about attention seeking morons bc everyone is too crazy busy with their own lives.

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Anonymous wrote:So, if they’d had a firearm in the house and she had successfully killed herself, would all the hateful posters here believe she was seriously mentally ill?

She was in treatment for severe post partum depression. She was on over a dozen psych meds. I cannot fathom the comments here questioning her diagnosis. Do you think it was all an elaborate six month long ruse to set up a defense for intentionally murdering her children and destroying her life?


I believe the nasty posts here are just reflecting fear. You folks are terrified by the reality of mental illness. You are terrified by the truth that brains can break just like bones and sometimes the breaking results in horror. You’re worried you’ll end up in a Dateline episode when something horrifying happens to you. Hope your kids don’t join the millions of American children struggling with mental illness. But maybe then you’d develop compassion.

The majority of people with mental illness don’t murder their own kids. Stop trying to make this about mental illness. She’s an evil murdered. She’s not any more or less mentally ill than other murderers.

Nobody is “evil.“

Wrong. Plenty of people are evil

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I love the new fad of moms with an infant strapped to their chest and pushing a toddler or two in a stroller, walking multiple rowdy dogs. there are a few of these crazy lunatics in my neighborhood. Like, why girl? Why? Just why? Is there a FB group for this or something? Moms of multiple babies under three with multiple dogs? And all walking at the same time, like look at me, look at me, please look at me.

Haha this is pathetic and funny at the same time. Do you or anyone else other than bored boomers actually look at them though? I doubt it bc no one gives a sh$t about attention seeking morons bc everyone is too crazy busy with their own lives.

I’m not a boomer, only a few years older than these millennials, and I just wfh and see these young moms who are probably being treated for anxiety and depression, hey, you made your bed. I have no sympathy for people who bite off more than they can chew. Use some freaking common sense, idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:I had 3 kids in 3 years and severe PPD. Sometimes people conceive on birth control.

If people aren’t smart enough to figure out that birth control isn’t 100%, and they have a history of PPD and don’t want another pregnancy, then maybe stop having intercourse. It’s simple really.

Right, because telling people not to have sex because you don't approve of it has worked out so well in the past

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Anonymous wrote:I had 3 kids in 3 years and severe PPD. Sometimes people conceive on birth control.

If people aren’t smart enough to figure out that birth control isn’t 100%, and they have a history of PPD and don’t want another pregnancy, then maybe stop having intercourse. It’s simple really.

Right, because telling people not to have sex because you don't approve of it has worked out so well in the past

How about using a condom? Do people lack any self control? Oh well, if you’re too dumb to know how to effectively prevent pregnancy, you get what you deserve.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I had 3 kids in 3 years and severe PPD. Sometimes people conceive on birth control.

If people aren’t smart enough to figure out that birth control isn’t 100%, and they have a history of PPD and don’t want another pregnancy, then maybe stop having intercourse. It’s simple really.

Right, because telling people not to have sex because you don't approve of it has worked out so well in the past

How about using a condom? Do people lack any self control? Oh well, if you’re too dumb to know how to effectively prevent pregnancy, you get what you deserve.

You seem like a really nice person. Not.

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Anonymous wrote:I love the new fad of moms with an infant strapped to their chest and pushing a toddler or two in a stroller, walking multiple rowdy dogs. there are a few of these crazy lunatics in my neighborhood. Like, why girl? Why? Just why? Is there a FB group for this or something? Moms of multiple babies under three with multiple dogs? And all walking at the same time, like look at me, look at me, please look at me.

It's not a fad. You're noticing it for the first time. Pre covid, there were mothers

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Clancy has my sympathy. She is a Labor & Delivery RN now midwife in 5 days a week outpatient treatment for postpartum depression—she was trying mightily to help herself as was her husband. Sounds like crossover to postpartum psychosis—she will be heartbroken at what she did under SEVERE mental illness. My sympathies to her children deceased, her infant, her husband and yes to her. A nightmare.

I have sympathy and she tried to off herself as well. I think Yates killed her kids and didn’t do anything to herself. But..I believe this post partum psychosis is real. She is going to have to live with this forever. The sad thing is I think a lot of this is tied to lack of sleep and so many people judge if a new mom wants help. I remember I got a lot of judgement for having a night nanny. Luckily I have a great husband who basically told me to put myself first and I did. Without sleep and without an opportunity to exercise or meet with a friend then a severe depression and can develop. It seems like her husband tried and maybe things went sideways with all the meds. Seraqual is a really powerful drug and cannot believe she was on that with others. Maybe the best thing in retrospect would have been inpatient treatment. Anyway new parents should really prioritize sleep and well being. The best thing you can do for a new mom is offer to watch the baby’s so they can nap or offer to take their other kids (if they have them) out so less chaos in the house.

And maybe don’t have three kids in less than five years. Even though posters will jump on here to claim that their mom had 8 kids and didn’t kill any of them! Still, 3 kids under five in this day and age is bananas. And she wasn’t even old or facing a biological clock. What is the rush? The third clearly out her over the edge because she was seemingly ok with the first two.

So, forced abortions like in China?

You are intentionally being obtuse to PP's point, which I admit wasn't artfully made. But no, PP likely wasn't advocating for forced abortions. For a woman like Clancy--who is among the luckiest of us by having access to more knowledge, money, family/friends, and institutional support than the majority of new mothers--I think it isn't unfair to wonder why she would have so many children so closely given the difficulties she had adjusting to motherhood.

She had the kids because she wanted to them show off and brag about her easy pregnancies and brag about how fertile she is, this is an actual thing. It’s sick. She didn’t think it through, like this is a lifelong commitment, it’s quite messy and not at all glamorous. The babies were all for show, many people are doing this now, having prop babies and pets.

Or maybe she's.... Catholic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clancy has my sympathy. She is a Labor & Delivery RN now midwife in 5 days a week outpatient treatment for postpartum depression—she was trying mightily to help herself as was her husband. Sounds like crossover to postpartum psychosis—she will be heartbroken at what she did under SEVERE mental illness. My sympathies to her children deceased, her infant, her husband and yes to her. A nightmare.

I have sympathy and she tried to off herself as well. I think Yates killed her kids and didn’t do anything to herself. But..I believe this post partum psychosis is real. She is going to have to live with this forever. The sad thing is I think a lot of this is tied to lack of sleep and so many people judge if a new mom wants help. I remember I got a lot of judgement for having a night nanny. Luckily I have a great husband who basically told me to put myself first and I did. Without sleep and without an opportunity to exercise or meet with a friend then a severe depression and can develop. It seems like her husband tried and maybe things went sideways with all the meds. Seraqual is a really powerful drug and cannot believe she was on that with others. Maybe the best thing in retrospect would have been inpatient treatment. Anyway new parents should really prioritize sleep and well being. The best thing you can do for a new mom is offer to watch the baby’s so they can nap or offer to take their other kids (if they have them) out so less chaos in the house.

And maybe don’t have three kids in less than five years. Even though posters will jump on here to claim that their mom had 8 kids and didn’t kill any of them! Still, 3 kids under five in this day and age is bananas. And she wasn’t even old or facing a biological clock. What is the rush? The third clearly out her over the edge because she was seemingly ok with the first two.

So, forced abortions like in China?

You are intentionally being obtuse to PP's point, which I admit wasn't artfully made. But no, PP likely wasn't advocating for forced abortions. For a woman like Clancy--who is among the luckiest of us by having access to more knowledge, money, family/friends, and institutional support than the majority of new mothers--I think it isn't unfair to wonder why she would have so many children so closely given the difficulties she had adjusting to motherhood.

She had the kids because she wanted to them show off and brag about her easy pregnancies and brag about how fertile she is, this is an actual thing. It’s sick. She didn’t think it through, like this is a lifelong commitment, it’s quite messy and not at all glamorous. The babies were all for show, many people are doing this now, having prop babies and pets.

Or maybe she's.... Catholic

There are ways for observant Catholics to prevent pregnancy. Its called the Fertilty Awareness Method. But it does require giving a d@mn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love the new fad of moms with an infant strapped to their chest and pushing a toddler or two in a stroller, walking multiple rowdy dogs. there are a few of these crazy lunatics in my neighborhood. Like, why girl? Why? Just why? Is there a FB group for this or something? Moms of multiple babies under three with multiple dogs? And all walking at the same time, like look at me, look at me, please look at me.

It's not a fad. You're noticing it for the first time. Pre covid, there were mothers

Does a new inexperienced mother need 3 babies under 3 and 3 dogs? And have to walk all of them constantly around the neighborhood? Why do this to yourself? It’s so attention seeking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clancy has my sympathy. She is a Labor & Delivery RN now midwife in 5 days a week outpatient treatment for postpartum depression—she was trying mightily to help herself as was her husband. Sounds like crossover to postpartum psychosis—she will be heartbroken at what she did under SEVERE mental illness. My sympathies to her children deceased, her infant, her husband and yes to her. A nightmare.

I have sympathy and she tried to off herself as well. I think Yates killed her kids and didn’t do anything to herself. But..I believe this post partum psychosis is real. She is going to have to live with this forever. The sad thing is I think a lot of this is tied to lack of sleep and so many people judge if a new mom wants help. I remember I got a lot of judgement for having a night nanny. Luckily I have a great husband who basically told me to put myself first and I did. Without sleep and without an opportunity to exercise or meet with a friend then a severe depression and can develop. It seems like her husband tried and maybe things went sideways with all the meds. Seraqual is a really powerful drug and cannot believe she was on that with others. Maybe the best thing in retrospect would have been inpatient treatment. Anyway new parents should really prioritize sleep and well being. The best thing you can do for a new mom is offer to watch the baby’s so they can nap or offer to take their other kids (if they have them) out so less chaos in the house.

And maybe don’t have three kids in less than five years. Even though posters will jump on here to claim that their mom had 8 kids and didn’t kill any of them! Still, 3 kids under five in this day and age is bananas. And she wasn’t even old or facing a biological clock. What is the rush? The third clearly out her over the edge because she was seemingly ok with the first two.

So, forced abortions like in China?

You are intentionally being obtuse to PP's point, which I admit wasn't artfully made. But no, PP likely wasn't advocating for forced abortions. For a woman like Clancy--who is among the luckiest of us by having access to more knowledge, money, family/friends, and institutional support than the majority of new mothers--I think it isn't unfair to wonder why she would have so many children so closely given the difficulties she had adjusting to motherhood.

She had the kids because she wanted to them show off and brag about her easy pregnancies and brag about how fertile she is, this is an actual thing. It’s sick. She didn’t think it through, like this is a lifelong commitment, it’s quite messy and not at all glamorous. The babies were all for show, many people are doing this now, having prop babies and pets.

Or maybe she's.... Catholic

Isn’t that kind of old school? Like a woman becoming a nun? Who the hell becomes a nun anymore or a priest for that matter. Get w the times, Catholics use birth control now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I love the new fad of moms with an infant strapped to their chest and pushing a toddler or two in a stroller, walking multiple rowdy dogs. there are a few of these crazy lunatics in my neighborhood. Like, why girl? Why? Just why? Is there a FB group for this or something? Moms of multiple babies under three with multiple dogs? And all walking at the same time, like look at me, look at me, please look at me.

It's not a fad. You're noticing it for the first time. Pre covid, there were mothers

Does a new inexperienced mother need 3 babies under 3 and 3 dogs? And have to walk all of them constantly around the neighborhood? Why do this to yourself? It’s so attention seeking.

It’s attention seeking to take care of your dog while minding your children? What drugs are you smoking because I’d love to have some.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love the new fad of moms with an infant strapped to their chest and pushing a toddler or two in a stroller, walking multiple rowdy dogs. there are a few of these crazy lunatics in my neighborhood. Like, why girl? Why? Just why? Is there a FB group for this or something? Moms of multiple babies under three with multiple dogs? And all walking at the same time, like look at me, look at me, please look at me.

It's not a fad. You're noticing it for the first time. Pre covid, there were mothers

Does a new inexperienced mother need 3 babies under 3 and 3 dogs? And have to walk all of them constantly around the neighborhood? Why do this to yourself? It’s so attention seeking.

It’s attention seeking to take care of your dog while minding your children? What drugs are you smoking because I’d love to have some.

Multiple dog and kids, it’s bordering on neglect, no one can effectively handle that. Something has to suffer.