ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:Different Valor points out college coaches don't care about your age group.

https://www.valorsoccer.com/copy-of-tryouts-faq

"Will this impact college recruiting?
This change will not negatively impact college recruiting. College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential, not the exact age grouping of their club team. "

They will also give kids the option to play up with friends and other play up on case by case.

Again you're mixing two seperate things.

Valor is saying that changing from BY to SY is better for college recruiting. This is because all players on the field during games will be the same grade in school.

Valor is not saying anything about Aug and Sept birthdays playing on a grade down team. If you asked them about this they would probabaly say that its a bad idea if the player wants to get recruited and play in college.

Pretty clear age groups don't matter for recruiting because college coaches evaluate players not what age group they are in.

"Will this impact college recruiting?
This change will not negatively impact college recruiting. College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential, not the exact age grouping of their club team. "

Again they're talking about BY to SY change.

Not Aug/Sept birthdays playing on a geade down team.

Crystal clear, college coaches evaluate players not their age groups. "College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential, not the exact age grouping of their club team"

Freshman/Sophomore/Junior/Senior classes.
Will this hurt my child’s college recruiting process? No. In fact, it is expected to help. College coaches recruit by graduating class (e.g., "Class of 2028"). Aligning club soccer age groups with school grades makes it easier for scouts to evaluate players against their direct academic peers, streamlining the recruiting pathway

Did you seriously say college recruiters are evaluating against academic peers?

You said that out loud

Yes, Colorado Rapids Youth Soccer Club said exactly that

One fool makes many I guess

Ask yourself, what the heck academic peers have to do with what soccer scouts look for in an individual to evaluate their skills and potential?

You're working double time on behalf of all the fools. In case you haven't seen it recently.

Freshman/Sophomore/Junior/Senior classes.
Will this hurt my child’s college recruiting process? No. In fact, it is expected to help. College coaches recruit by graduating class (e.g., "Class of 2028"). Aligning club soccer age groups with school grades makes it easier for scouts to evaluate players against their direct academic peers, streamlining the recruiting pathway

What is easiest for college coaches and what is in the best interests of every individual player will not align. With college coaches evaluating the player and not what age group they are in, there are multiple paths for players to go.

But college coaches are the ones recruiting for their teams. You can choose whatever path you want but if you're not in front of and available for college coaches in the way they want you to be seen what does it matter?

Well, if you're not there it also matters -- which is why the misaligned B team player who can make the A team in their age group will do that.

Correct grade A team players paid for that opportunity and wont let you steal their minutes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Checking back in and it's the exact same thing as hundreds of pages ago - do you ever get tired of arguing the same thing over and over?

So many clubs doing at least something someone agrees with -- we ALL get to be right. It's great!

Its just a matter of time before clubs group Aug birthdays on their grade in school team. Its easier for the club and sets them up for recruiting.

Yep, in those GY showcases that are in the works.

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Anonymous wrote:Different Valor points out college coaches don't care about your age group.

https://www.valorsoccer.com/copy-of-tryouts-faq

"Will this impact college recruiting?
This change will not negatively impact college recruiting. College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential, not the exact age grouping of their club team. "

They will also give kids the option to play up with friends and other play up on case by case.

Again you're mixing two seperate things.

Valor is saying that changing from BY to SY is better for college recruiting. This is because all players on the field during games will be the same grade in school.

Valor is not saying anything about Aug and Sept birthdays playing on a grade down team. If you asked them about this they would probabaly say that its a bad idea if the player wants to get recruited and play in college.

Pretty clear age groups don't matter for recruiting because college coaches evaluate players not what age group they are in.

"Will this impact college recruiting?
This change will not negatively impact college recruiting. College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential, not the exact age grouping of their club team. "

Again they're talking about BY to SY change.

Not Aug/Sept birthdays playing on a geade down team.

Crystal clear, college coaches evaluate players not their age groups. "College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential, not the exact age grouping of their club team"

Freshman/Sophomore/Junior/Senior classes.
Will this hurt my child’s college recruiting process? No. In fact, it is expected to help. College coaches recruit by graduating class (e.g., "Class of 2028"). Aligning club soccer age groups with school grades makes it easier for scouts to evaluate players against their direct academic peers, streamlining the recruiting pathway

Did you seriously say college recruiters are evaluating against academic peers?

You said that out loud

Yes, Colorado Rapids Youth Soccer Club said exactly that

One fool makes many I guess

Ask yourself, what the heck academic peers have to do with what soccer scouts look for in an individual to evaluate their skills and potential?

You're working double time on behalf of all the fools. In case you haven't seen it recently.

Freshman/Sophomore/Junior/Senior classes.
Will this hurt my child’s college recruiting process? No. In fact, it is expected to help. College coaches recruit by graduating class (e.g., "Class of 2028"). Aligning club soccer age groups with school grades makes it easier for scouts to evaluate players against their direct academic peers, streamlining the recruiting pathway

What is easiest for college coaches and what is in the best interests of every individual player will not align. With college coaches evaluating the player and not what age group they are in, there are multiple paths for players to go.

But college coaches are the ones recruiting for their teams. You can choose whatever path you want but if you're not in front of and available for college coaches in the way they want you to be seen what does it matter?

Well, if you're not there it also matters -- which is why the misaligned B team player who can make the A team in their age group will do that.

Correct grade A team players paid for that opportunity and wont let you steal their minutes.

Best players play, period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Checking back in and it's the exact same thing as hundreds of pages ago - do you ever get tired of arguing the same thing over and over?

So many clubs doing at least something someone agrees with -- we ALL get to be right. It's great!

Its just a matter of time before clubs group Aug birthdays on their grade in school team. Its easier for the club and sets them up for recruiting.

Yep, in those GY showcases that are in the works.

SY showcases with Aug birthdays is great. Nobody can play down.

u18/u19 (junior + seniors) is already combined. When clubs switch to SY Junior and Senior events will be GY.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Different Valor points out college coaches don't care about your age group.

https://www.valorsoccer.com/copy-of-tryouts-faq

"Will this impact college recruiting?
This change will not negatively impact college recruiting. College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential, not the exact age grouping of their club team. "

They will also give kids the option to play up with friends and other play up on case by case.

Again you're mixing two seperate things.

Valor is saying that changing from BY to SY is better for college recruiting. This is because all players on the field during games will be the same grade in school.

Valor is not saying anything about Aug and Sept birthdays playing on a grade down team. If you asked them about this they would probabaly say that its a bad idea if the player wants to get recruited and play in college.

Pretty clear age groups don't matter for recruiting because college coaches evaluate players not what age group they are in.

"Will this impact college recruiting?
This change will not negatively impact college recruiting. College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential, not the exact age grouping of their club team. "

Again they're talking about BY to SY change.

Not Aug/Sept birthdays playing on a geade down team.

Crystal clear, college coaches evaluate players not their age groups. "College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential, not the exact age grouping of their club team"

Freshman/Sophomore/Junior/Senior classes.
Will this hurt my child’s college recruiting process? No. In fact, it is expected to help. College coaches recruit by graduating class (e.g., "Class of 2028"). Aligning club soccer age groups with school grades makes it easier for scouts to evaluate players against their direct academic peers, streamlining the recruiting pathway

Did you seriously say college recruiters are evaluating against academic peers?

You said that out loud

Yes, Colorado Rapids Youth Soccer Club said exactly that

One fool makes many I guess

Ask yourself, what the heck academic peers have to do with what soccer scouts look for in an individual to evaluate their skills and potential?

You're working double time on behalf of all the fools. In case you haven't seen it recently.

Freshman/Sophomore/Junior/Senior classes.
Will this hurt my child’s college recruiting process? No. In fact, it is expected to help. College coaches recruit by graduating class (e.g., "Class of 2028"). Aligning club soccer age groups with school grades makes it easier for scouts to evaluate players against their direct academic peers, streamlining the recruiting pathway

What is easiest for college coaches and what is in the best interests of every individual player will not align. With college coaches evaluating the player and not what age group they are in, there are multiple paths for players to go.

But college coaches are the ones recruiting for their teams. You can choose whatever path you want but if you're not in front of and available for college coaches in the way they want you to be seen what does it matter?

Well, if you're not there it also matters -- which is why the misaligned B team player who can make the A team in their age group will do that.

Correct grade A team players paid for that opportunity and wont let you steal their minutes.

Best players play, period.

Correction best players that can PAY play, period.

You seem to live in a utopia where everything is free.

[Anonymous]

Stars Blue parents are saying that Stars is picking some Aug birthdays to play with their grade in school team and forcing others to play grade down.

This will go over well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Checking back in and it's the exact same thing as hundreds of pages ago - do you ever get tired of arguing the same thing over and over?

So many clubs doing at least something someone agrees with -- we ALL get to be right. It's great!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Different Valor points out college coaches don't care about your age group.

https://www.valorsoccer.com/copy-of-tryouts-faq

"Will this impact college recruiting?
This change will not negatively impact college recruiting. College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential, not the exact age grouping of their club team. "

They will also give kids the option to play up with friends and other play up on case by case.

Again you're mixing two seperate things.

Valor is saying that changing from BY to SY is better for college recruiting. This is because all players on the field during games will be the same grade in school.

Valor is not saying anything about Aug and Sept birthdays playing on a grade down team. If you asked them about this they would probabaly say that its a bad idea if the player wants to get recruited and play in college.

Pretty clear age groups don't matter for recruiting because college coaches evaluate players not what age group they are in.

"Will this impact college recruiting?
This change will not negatively impact college recruiting. College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential, not the exact age grouping of their club team. "

Again they're talking about BY to SY change.

Not Aug/Sept birthdays playing on a geade down team.

Crystal clear, college coaches evaluate players not their age groups. "College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential, not the exact age grouping of their club team"

Freshman/Sophomore/Junior/Senior classes.
Will this hurt my child’s college recruiting process? No. In fact, it is expected to help. College coaches recruit by graduating class (e.g., "Class of 2028"). Aligning club soccer age groups with school grades makes it easier for scouts to evaluate players against their direct academic peers, streamlining the recruiting pathway

Did you seriously say college recruiters are evaluating against academic peers?

You said that out loud

Yes, Colorado Rapids Youth Soccer Club said exactly that

One fool makes many I guess

Ask yourself, what the heck academic peers have to do with what soccer scouts look for in an individual to evaluate their skills and potential?

You're working double time on behalf of all the fools. In case you haven't seen it recently.

Freshman/Sophomore/Junior/Senior classes.
Will this hurt my child’s college recruiting process? No. In fact, it is expected to help. College coaches recruit by graduating class (e.g., "Class of 2028"). Aligning club soccer age groups with school grades makes it easier for scouts to evaluate players against their direct academic peers, streamlining the recruiting pathway

What is easiest for college coaches and what is in the best interests of every individual player will not align. With college coaches evaluating the player and not what age group they are in, there are multiple paths for players to go.

But college coaches are the ones recruiting for their teams. You can choose whatever path you want but if you're not in front of and available for college coaches in the way they want you to be seen what does it matter?

Well, if you're not there it also matters -- which is why the misaligned B team player who can make the A team in their age group will do that.

Correct grade A team players paid for that opportunity and wont let you steal their minutes.

Best players play, period.

Correction best players that can PAY play, period.

You seem to live in a utopia where everything is free.

Someone pays -- at least at the academy level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stars Blue parents are saying that Stars is picking some Aug birthdays to play with their grade in school team and forcing others to play grade down.

This will go over well.

Seems fine if it's about soccer ability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stars Blue parents are saying that Stars is picking some Aug birthdays to play with their grade in school team and forcing others to play grade down.

This will go over well.

Seems fine if it's about soccer ability.

Forcing players to play down a grade makes them easy recruitment targets by other clubs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Different Valor points out college coaches don't care about your age group.

https://www.valorsoccer.com/copy-of-tryouts-faq

"Will this impact college recruiting?
This change will not negatively impact college recruiting. College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential, not the exact age grouping of their club team. "

They will also give kids the option to play up with friends and other play up on case by case.

Again you're mixing two seperate things.

Valor is saying that changing from BY to SY is better for college recruiting. This is because all players on the field during games will be the same grade in school.

Valor is not saying anything about Aug and Sept birthdays playing on a grade down team. If you asked them about this they would probabaly say that its a bad idea if the player wants to get recruited and play in college.

Pretty clear age groups don't matter for recruiting because college coaches evaluate players not what age group they are in.

"Will this impact college recruiting?
This change will not negatively impact college recruiting. College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential, not the exact age grouping of their club team. "

Again they're talking about BY to SY change.

Not Aug/Sept birthdays playing on a geade down team.

Crystal clear, college coaches evaluate players not their age groups. "College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential, not the exact age grouping of their club team"

Freshman/Sophomore/Junior/Senior classes.
Will this hurt my child’s college recruiting process? No. In fact, it is expected to help. College coaches recruit by graduating class (e.g., "Class of 2028"). Aligning club soccer age groups with school grades makes it easier for scouts to evaluate players against their direct academic peers, streamlining the recruiting pathway

Did you seriously say college recruiters are evaluating against academic peers?

You said that out loud

Yes, Colorado Rapids Youth Soccer Club said exactly that

One fool makes many I guess

Ask yourself, what the heck academic peers have to do with what soccer scouts look for in an individual to evaluate their skills and potential?

You're working double time on behalf of all the fools. In case you haven't seen it recently.

Freshman/Sophomore/Junior/Senior classes.
Will this hurt my child’s college recruiting process? No. In fact, it is expected to help. College coaches recruit by graduating class (e.g., "Class of 2028"). Aligning club soccer age groups with school grades makes it easier for scouts to evaluate players against their direct academic peers, streamlining the recruiting pathway

What is easiest for college coaches and what is in the best interests of every individual player will not align. With college coaches evaluating the player and not what age group they are in, there are multiple paths for players to go.

But college coaches are the ones recruiting for their teams. You can choose whatever path you want but if you're not in front of and available for college coaches in the way they want you to be seen what does it matter?

College recruiting is almost all push not pull. Virtually no college coach can just pick and choose who the want (some kids want to stay close to home, some want to move far away, etc.), that's why you have to let them know you are interested.

Its push for you because your making it harder on Aug birthdays by encouraging them to play down a grade. Which makes college coaches instantly pass on the player.

For everyone else on a correct grade team, on a top team, at a top club its a matter of choosing which offer to accept.

Don't fool yourself, it's a push for everyone. College coaches see around maybe 30 players in any one game, they have no idea who is spoken for or even wants to play in college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stars Blue parents are saying that Stars is picking some Aug birthdays to play with their grade in school team and forcing others to play grade down.

This will go over well.

Seems fine if it's about soccer ability.

Forcing players to play down a grade makes them easy recruitment targets by other clubs.

Like almost all of youth soccer is age group based on 8/1 with many allowing playing up if you have the skill. Need the skill no matter current or other club to get to play up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stars Blue parents are saying that Stars is picking some Aug birthdays to play with their grade in school team and forcing others to play grade down.

This will go over well.

Seems fine if it's about soccer ability.

And probably have some Sept and Oct and Nov births play up an age group regardless of grade. Almost like grade doesn't matter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Different Valor points out college coaches don't care about your age group.

https://www.valorsoccer.com/copy-of-tryouts-faq

"Will this impact college recruiting?
This change will not negatively impact college recruiting. College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential, not the exact age grouping of their club team. "

They will also give kids the option to play up with friends and other play up on case by case.

Again you're mixing two seperate things.

Valor is saying that changing from BY to SY is better for college recruiting. This is because all players on the field during games will be the same grade in school.

Valor is not saying anything about Aug and Sept birthdays playing on a grade down team. If you asked them about this they would probabaly say that its a bad idea if the player wants to get recruited and play in college.

Pretty clear age groups don't matter for recruiting because college coaches evaluate players not what age group they are in.

"Will this impact college recruiting?
This change will not negatively impact college recruiting. College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential, not the exact age grouping of their club team. "

Again they're talking about BY to SY change.

Not Aug/Sept birthdays playing on a geade down team.

Crystal clear, college coaches evaluate players not their age groups. "College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential, not the exact age grouping of their club team"

Freshman/Sophomore/Junior/Senior classes.
Will this hurt my child’s college recruiting process? No. In fact, it is expected to help. College coaches recruit by graduating class (e.g., "Class of 2028"). Aligning club soccer age groups with school grades makes it easier for scouts to evaluate players against their direct academic peers, streamlining the recruiting pathway

Did you seriously say college recruiters are evaluating against academic peers?

You said that out loud

Yes, Colorado Rapids Youth Soccer Club said exactly that

One fool makes many I guess

Ask yourself, what the heck academic peers have to do with what soccer scouts look for in an individual to evaluate their skills and potential?

You're working double time on behalf of all the fools. In case you haven't seen it recently.

Freshman/Sophomore/Junior/Senior classes.
Will this hurt my child’s college recruiting process? No. In fact, it is expected to help. College coaches recruit by graduating class (e.g., "Class of 2028"). Aligning club soccer age groups with school grades makes it easier for scouts to evaluate players against their direct academic peers, streamlining the recruiting pathway

What is easiest for college coaches and what is in the best interests of every individual player will not align. With college coaches evaluating the player and not what age group they are in, there are multiple paths for players to go.

But college coaches are the ones recruiting for their teams. You can choose whatever path you want but if you're not in front of and available for college coaches in the way they want you to be seen what does it matter?

College recruiting is almost all push not pull. Virtually no college coach can just pick and choose who the want (some kids want to stay close to home, some want to move far away, etc.), that's why you have to let them know you are interested.

Its push for you because your making it harder on Aug birthdays by encouraging them to play down a grade. Which makes college coaches instantly pass on the player.

For everyone else on a correct grade team, on a top team, at a top club its a matter of choosing which offer to accept.

Don't fool yourself, it's a push for everyone. College coaches see around maybe 30 players in any one game, they have no idea who is spoken for or even wants to play in college.

And even with all the streamlining, there's still be misaligned players, even IF Aug/Sept played up on grade

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stars Blue parents are saying that Stars is picking some Aug birthdays to play with their grade in school team and forcing others to play grade down.

This will go over well.

Seems fine if it's about soccer ability.

Forcing players to play down a grade makes them easy recruitment targets by other clubs.

If they care about grade. Not all do.