Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles

[Anonymous]

I love the Fox News reporter, "What is happening here?"

You don't need a science degree to answer that very dumb question.

Also, to the MAGA above is Spartanville and the church home to a majority of undocumented immigrants? (Answer: *in case your drunk on Koolaid* No.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is insane how anti vaxxers have no understanding of risk and tradeoffs. Guess what’s higher likelihood of negative effects from the vaccine? The negative effects of the actual disease!

Of course they don’t, they’ve been riding on herd immunity. To them the calculus is vaccinate your child, and risk the minute chance of a side effect, or do nothing, and face no risk at all because the diseases are so remote.

Well guess what? Mother Nature isn’t here to play. Herd immunity has dropped, and the diseases are back. They’re going to learn the hard way that a 1 in 50 chance of hospitalization accompanied by a 1 in 1000 chance of death is a lot more serious than a 1 in 100,000 chance of a severe vaccine side effect. Unfortunately, their kids are going to be doing the suffering.

We don't actually know how likely a vaccine is to inflict harm, the closest we can get is to use VAERS data, which vaccine enthusiasts dismissed during COVID. Frankly the industry is just not interested in tracking things once you leave the doctors office.

We do know. There is much more to vaccine safety surveillance than raw VAERS data. It’s an entire scientific discipline that relies on multiple types of reporting and data. Claiming that “the closest we can get is to use VAERS data” is completely misleading.

Can you supply this data then? The MMR package inserts reference the VAERS data.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is insane how anti vaxxers have no understanding of risk and tradeoffs. Guess what’s higher likelihood of negative effects from the vaccine? The negative effects of the actual disease!

Of course they don’t, they’ve been riding on herd immunity. To them the calculus is vaccinate your child, and risk the minute chance of a side effect, or do nothing, and face no risk at all because the diseases are so remote.

Well guess what? Mother Nature isn’t here to play. Herd immunity has dropped, and the diseases are back. They’re going to learn the hard way that a 1 in 50 chance of hospitalization accompanied by a 1 in 1000 chance of death is a lot more serious than a 1 in 100,000 chance of a severe vaccine side effect. Unfortunately, their kids are going to be doing the suffering.

We don't actually know how likely a vaccine is to inflict harm, the closest we can get is to use VAERS data, which vaccine enthusiasts dismissed during COVID. Frankly the industry is just not interested in tracking things once you leave the doctors office.

Ah, so you don't know how a vaccine moves through the levels is clinical trials for testing.

Well, if you don't know, then you don't know.

You'll have to forgive me, but I'm highly dubious of clinical trials, especially in this day and age. Its pretty well known that you design your trials to get the results you want.

I'm especially dubious of relying on clinical trial data for a product that has been in the field for decades. Shouldn't there be real world data to use? You see this with the flu shot too. Why is there no real world data on these things?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why any parent would knowingly put their DC through this horror.

Because it make them feel special to believe they know the “real” truth about vaccines. That feeling is worth more to them than their children’s health.

And lord knows they need to feel special. To a person, they are all longtime riders of the struggle bus. School was hard, jobs are hard, being a SAHM is hard. Everything is hard. They can’t think critically, and everything overwhelms them. They join MLMs to try to take some control and run their families into debt.

And along comes an influencer who convinces these functionally r-worded individuals who are so hopelessly adrift in their own lives that no, they really ARE smart, and they really ARE special, it’s the SYSTEM that is confusing them and lying them. That birthing a child gave them all they needed to know, supplemented by what the influencer is selling them, of course, and they can take CONTROL.

Those doctors? The fact they don’t want to debate your “reasonable” questions about the inserts is just proof they are in the pocket of Big Pharma and can’t be trusted. You can only trust other crunchy moms.

Does any of this sound familiar? It should. It uses the same tactics as the MLMs and cults they are demonstrably helpless against. These parents - mostly moms - are addicted to the feelings of power and control the anti vax influencers are selling. They can’t get that hit anywhere else because - see above - they don’t have the smarts.

You could've said all that without including "functionally r-worded individuals." That kind of bigotry is disgusting, even when rooted in your very sound analysis of anti-vaxxers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is insane how anti vaxxers have no understanding of risk and tradeoffs. Guess what’s higher likelihood of negative effects from the vaccine? The negative effects of the actual disease!

Of course they don’t, they’ve been riding on herd immunity. To them the calculus is vaccinate your child, and risk the minute chance of a side effect, or do nothing, and face no risk at all because the diseases are so remote.

Well guess what? Mother Nature isn’t here to play. Herd immunity has dropped, and the diseases are back. They’re going to learn the hard way that a 1 in 50 chance of hospitalization accompanied by a 1 in 1000 chance of death is a lot more serious than a 1 in 100,000 chance of a severe vaccine side effect. Unfortunately, their kids are going to be doing the suffering.

We don't actually know how likely a vaccine is to inflict harm, the closest we can get is to use VAERS data, which vaccine enthusiasts dismissed during COVID. Frankly the industry is just not interested in tracking things once you leave the doctors office.

Ah, so you don't know how a vaccine moves through the levels is clinical trials for testing.

Well, if you don't know, then you don't know.

You'll have to forgive me, but I'm highly dubious of clinical trials, especially in this day and age. Its pretty well known that you design your trials to get the results you want.

I'm especially dubious of relying on clinical trial data for a product that has been in the field for decades. Shouldn't there be real world data to use? You see this with the flu shot too. Why is there no real world data on these things?

There is real world data. The fact you don’t bother to look for it is your problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why any parent would knowingly put their DC through this horror.

Because it make them feel special to believe they know the “real” truth about vaccines. That feeling is worth more to them than their children’s health.

And lord knows they need to feel special. To a person, they are all longtime riders of the struggle bus. School was hard, jobs are hard, being a SAHM is hard. Everything is hard. They can’t think critically, and everything overwhelms them. They join MLMs to try to take some control and run their families into debt.

And along comes an influencer who convinces these functionally r-worded individuals who are so hopelessly adrift in their own lives that no, they really ARE smart, and they really ARE special, it’s the SYSTEM that is confusing them and lying them. That birthing a child gave them all they needed to know, supplemented by what the influencer is selling them, of course, and they can take CONTROL.

Those doctors? The fact they don’t want to debate your “reasonable” questions about the inserts is just proof they are in the pocket of Big Pharma and can’t be trusted. You can only trust other crunchy moms.

Does any of this sound familiar? It should. It uses the same tactics as the MLMs and cults they are demonstrably helpless against. These parents - mostly moms - are addicted to the feelings of power and control the anti vax influencers are selling. They can’t get that hit anywhere else because - see above - they don’t have the smarts.

You could've said all that without including "functionally r-worded individuals." That kind of bigotry is disgusting, even when rooted in your very sound analysis of anti-vaxxers.

I use shocking language intentionally. There are people trying to “empower” these women, but fundamentally, someone needs to wake them up to their own limitations or they’re going to kill their kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why any parent would knowingly put their DC through this horror.

Because it make them feel special to believe they know the “real” truth about vaccines. That feeling is worth more to them than their children’s health.

And lord knows they need to feel special. To a person, they are all longtime riders of the struggle bus. School was hard, jobs are hard, being a SAHM is hard. Everything is hard. They can’t think critically, and everything overwhelms them. They join MLMs to try to take some control and run their families into debt.

And along comes an influencer who convinces these functionally r-worded individuals who are so hopelessly adrift in their own lives that no, they really ARE smart, and they really ARE special, it’s the SYSTEM that is confusing them and lying them. That birthing a child gave them all they needed to know, supplemented by what the influencer is selling them, of course, and they can take CONTROL.

Those doctors? The fact they don’t want to debate your “reasonable” questions about the inserts is just proof they are in the pocket of Big Pharma and can’t be trusted. You can only trust other crunchy moms.

Does any of this sound familiar? It should. It uses the same tactics as the MLMs and cults they are demonstrably helpless against. These parents - mostly moms - are addicted to the feelings of power and control the anti vax influencers are selling. They can’t get that hit anywhere else because - see above - they don’t have the smarts.

I mean, to be fair, the medical industry (20% of our National GDP) is filled with scammy and dishonest criminals that could care less about your personal wellbeing. That doesn’t mean that science should be discarded but you can’t exactly expect average people to trust predatory capitalists. People can instinctively tell that they are getting screwed even if they are not perfectly accurate in describing the specific mechanics of the scam.

[Anonymous]

If MAGAs want to take themselves to the Stone Age should the rest of us really be concerned?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is insane how anti vaxxers have no understanding of risk and tradeoffs. Guess what’s higher likelihood of negative effects from the vaccine? The negative effects of the actual disease!

Of course they don’t, they’ve been riding on herd immunity. To them the calculus is vaccinate your child, and risk the minute chance of a side effect, or do nothing, and face no risk at all because the diseases are so remote.

Well guess what? Mother Nature isn’t here to play. Herd immunity has dropped, and the diseases are back. They’re going to learn the hard way that a 1 in 50 chance of hospitalization accompanied by a 1 in 1000 chance of death is a lot more serious than a 1 in 100,000 chance of a severe vaccine side effect. Unfortunately, their kids are going to be doing the suffering.

We don't actually know how likely a vaccine is to inflict harm, the closest we can get is to use VAERS data, which vaccine enthusiasts dismissed during COVID. Frankly the industry is just not interested in tracking things once you leave the doctors office.

Ah, so you don't know how a vaccine moves through the levels is clinical trials for testing.

Well, if you don't know, then you don't know.

You'll have to forgive me, but I'm highly dubious of clinical trials, especially in this day and age. Its pretty well known that you design your trials to get the results you want.

I'm especially dubious of relying on clinical trial data for a product that has been in the field for decades. Shouldn't there be real world data to use? You see this with the flu shot too. Why is there no real world data on these things?

Okay, but if you are the same PP, that's not what you said. And if standard level I-III clinical trials are not enough, then nothing is enough.

Just to be clear where you are coming from.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why any parent would knowingly put their DC through this horror.

Because it make them feel special to believe they know the “real” truth about vaccines. That feeling is worth more to them than their children’s health.

And lord knows they need to feel special. To a person, they are all longtime riders of the struggle bus. School was hard, jobs are hard, being a SAHM is hard. Everything is hard. They can’t think critically, and everything overwhelms them. They join MLMs to try to take some control and run their families into debt.

And along comes an influencer who convinces these functionally r-worded individuals who are so hopelessly adrift in their own lives that no, they really ARE smart, and they really ARE special, it’s the SYSTEM that is confusing them and lying them. That birthing a child gave them all they needed to know, supplemented by what the influencer is selling them, of course, and they can take CONTROL.

Those doctors? The fact they don’t want to debate your “reasonable” questions about the inserts is just proof they are in the pocket of Big Pharma and can’t be trusted. You can only trust other crunchy moms.

Does any of this sound familiar? It should. It uses the same tactics as the MLMs and cults they are demonstrably helpless against. These parents - mostly moms - are addicted to the feelings of power and control the anti vax influencers are selling. They can’t get that hit anywhere else because - see above - they don’t have the smarts.

I mean, to be fair, the medical industry (20% of our National GDP) is filled with scammy and dishonest criminals that could care less about your personal wellbeing. That doesn’t mean that science should be discarded but you can’t exactly expect average people to trust predatory capitalists. People can instinctively tell that they are getting screwed even if they are not perfectly accurate in describing the specific mechanics of the scam.

Though people become republicans senators.

[Anonymous]

“You'll have to forgive me, but I'm highly dubious of clinical trials, especially in this day and age. Its pretty well known that you design your trials to get the results you want.

I'm especially dubious of relying on clinical trial data for a product that has been in the field for decades. Shouldn't there be real world data to use? You see this with the flu shot too. Why is there no real world data on these things?”

Have you ever had the flu? Do you get the shots?

[Anonymous]

Natural selection at work.

Carry on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If MAGAs want to take themselves to the Stone Age should the rest of us really be concerned?

Yes, yes, we should. Herd immunity is critical for the very young, the very old, and the immuno-compromised. Your future 10-month old grandchild is at risk because of their choices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why any parent would knowingly put their DC through this horror.

Because it make them feel special to believe they know the “real” truth about vaccines. That feeling is worth more to them than their children’s health.

And lord knows they need to feel special. To a person, they are all longtime riders of the struggle bus. School was hard, jobs are hard, being a SAHM is hard. Everything is hard. They can’t think critically, and everything overwhelms them. They join MLMs to try to take some control and run their families into debt.

And along comes an influencer who convinces these functionally r-worded individuals who are so hopelessly adrift in their own lives that no, they really ARE smart, and they really ARE special, it’s the SYSTEM that is confusing them and lying them. That birthing a child gave them all they needed to know, supplemented by what the influencer is selling them, of course, and they can take CONTROL.

Those doctors? The fact they don’t want to debate your “reasonable” questions about the inserts is just proof they are in the pocket of Big Pharma and can’t be trusted. You can only trust other crunchy moms.

Does any of this sound familiar? It should. It uses the same tactics as the MLMs and cults they are demonstrably helpless against. These parents - mostly moms - are addicted to the feelings of power and control the anti vax influencers are selling. They can’t get that hit anywhere else because - see above - they don’t have the smarts.

I mean, to be fair, the medical industry (20% of our National GDP) is filled with scammy and dishonest criminals that could care less about your personal wellbeing. That doesn’t mean that science should be discarded but you can’t exactly expect average people to trust predatory capitalists. People can instinctively tell that they are getting screwed even if they are not perfectly accurate in describing the specific mechanics of the scam.

You mean like Dr. Oz?
And all the MAGA/MAHA influencers currently having their day?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is insane how anti vaxxers have no understanding of risk and tradeoffs. Guess what’s higher likelihood of negative effects from the vaccine? The negative effects of the actual disease!

Of course they don’t, they’ve been riding on herd immunity. To them the calculus is vaccinate your child, and risk the minute chance of a side effect, or do nothing, and face no risk at all because the diseases are so remote.

Well guess what? Mother Nature isn’t here to play. Herd immunity has dropped, and the diseases are back. They’re going to learn the hard way that a 1 in 50 chance of hospitalization accompanied by a 1 in 1000 chance of death is a lot more serious than a 1 in 100,000 chance of a severe vaccine side effect. Unfortunately, their kids are going to be doing the suffering.

We don't actually know how likely a vaccine is to inflict harm, the closest we can get is to use VAERS data, which vaccine enthusiasts dismissed during COVID. Frankly the industry is just not interested in tracking things once you leave the doctors office.

Ah, so you don't know how a vaccine moves through the levels is clinical trials for testing.

Well, if you don't know, then you don't know.

You'll have to forgive me, but I'm highly dubious of clinical trials, especially in this day and age. Its pretty well known that you design your trials to get the results you want.

I'm especially dubious of relying on clinical trial data for a product that has been in the field for decades. Shouldn't there be real world data to use? You see this with the flu shot too. Why is there no real world data on these things?

But there IS real world data on this. The fact that you don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist; it just means that you don't understand what is happening.

For example: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/74/wr/mm7440a1.htm?s_cid=OS_mm7440a1_w

This is the CDC's motivation and mortality report on pediatric COVID vaccination in the 2024-2025 respiratory illness season. This particular article focused on the fact that vaccination decreased ED and urgent care visits by about 50%, but the data set is tracking safety as well.