Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?

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The parents that want to hold back their stupid kids so they can be the biggest on the team are posting with a vengeance.

You know so it's "fair" for their kid.

Other than crazy August guy, can anyone cite a previous post from a poster where they actually advocated for grade based youth soccer? Not relaying information like showcases might be grade based or college coaches might want it, but actual advocating for grade.

Yes college coaches want SY but by grade. These are the people recruiting players to play in college.

Cubs like SY but by grade because it makes grouping players easier.

Leagues like SY but grouped by grade because it insures all players on the field during a game are the same grade. This makes it easier to college recruiters to review players because they dont waste time looking at players that atent graduating the year they're looking for.

A simple nobody else here but August loon wants GY would suffice and as illustrated from the question being ignored.

Its not GY its SY grouped by grade which is a HUGE difference.

SY grouped by grade does not allow holdbacks play down against younger players.

Walks like a duck, it is GY.

Holdbacks are too convoluted to accurately define and police based on 50 states having differing rules, people moving, international kids, homeschooling, lack of true documentation so not policeable, etc. but you already knew that. That is why a 12 month window has and will be used. Enforceable and standardized documentation are huge for clubs and leagues.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading these comments and knowing these folks are the ones molding their kids mentality is scary

Can't get good teammates out of this batch

I agree! The people saying that is ok to play down and that college coaches wont care if your kid is playing on a grade down tean are ridiculious. Its scary thinking about the excuses they must be telling their kids.

Kids are being compared to other kids in their graduating year.
That's how college's recruit.

They're also being compared to transfer portal players. So its not just the players in their grade. There's also competition from players 1-3 maybe even 4 years older that are already playing in college.

That makes grade even less relevant than it already is

Talent, potential and college start date is all that matters

So you're theory is that because players are competing against other players 1-4 (maybe more) years older than they are for a college roster spot that somehow playing down againt younger players in high school will prepare them to play at a higher level.

You really think coaches wont notice that players are playing down a grade.

Colleges don't recruit soccer players from High School
What decade are you living in?

If you're a U16 playing U15, the only person you're fooling is yourself, because no College wants you.

You're calling a fact a theory.
If not talent, potential and graduating year, what are colleges looking at?

Agree 1000%

Unfortunately there's a very persistent troll that monitors this thread 24/7 saying that playing on a grade down team isn't a big deal and that college coaches wont notice.

Now that details about SY are starting to come out from clubs its becoming more and more clear that they will group by grade within the 8/1-7/31 context. (ie younger players will be forced to play with their grade)

Multiple people aren't trolling when they are countering a disinformation campaign where one loud poster is saying that they want August kids playing up an age group so their September born kid can be the oldest in their age group.

It is surprising that the person hasn't gotten another self centered parent of a September kid to join them but I guess even they realize that is a ridiculous fruitless effort to stump for a new rule on a random forum that doesn't make sense to anyone but the most self centered.

You are the disinformation campaign.

You just dont realize it because your kid is likely a little or on a lower B/C team.

You know your wrong, so you're going personal. So typical.

How is pointing out that you're naive because you haven't been in a recruiting situation yet "going personal"?

You dont understand how things work once recruiting and college coaches are involved. You're trying to apply what you've learned attending tournamants and league games but its not the same game.

Instead of being a know it all. Step back, listen, and learn.

No, I'm sharing what I know after talking to college coaches, club coaches and parents and it's far more complicated than how you present things here.

Its only more complicated because you think players should be able to play on a grade down team. If you take away the loser thought processes recruiting becomes much easier. If your kid is playing up recruiting becomes much easier. If your kid is playing on a highly ranked team recruiting becomes much easier.

Reaching the best team in your age group on a top league isn't a loser option. That's your blind spot.

What are you talking about? Planet crazytown.

Keep distracting. The club documentation so far agrees with me. These will be case-by-case decisions.

Ok littles

If they don't play on grade for just for littles, that would make sense because of RAE factors.

Do you rip the bandaid off quickly or pull it off slowly? In the end the result is the same.

Most conpetitive clubs won't want to deal with accommodating edge cases. Which means they'll just group by grade from the beginning because its easiest.

I could see youngers tournament teams rostering grade up but eligible to play down Aug/Sept birthdays for wins. But this ends after 11v11 also at 11v11 is when a grade down player would need to start playing with their grade in school. This is because on the ECNL and other websites players graduating year is listed.

Yes, ECNL do list their grad years and BY teams have multiple years. Jury out on next year with SY. In the meantime, 2 big clubs say it's case-by-case. If it was automatic, they'd say so, so to this point, you're just wrong.

Just to be clear...

Because of BY you do see 2 graduating years on the ECNL website. The 2 that are listed are players playing their grade and players playing on a grade up team.

With SY you might also see 2 graduating years on the ECNL website. The two that will be listed are players playing their grade and players playing on a grade DOWN team.

It's humorous that you think ECNL will stop posting graduating year. If they stop posting it would be obvious that they're trying to hide players playing down from college coaches. If they leave it up college coaches will use it to avoid players playing down a grade. (trojan horses)

Who here naively thinks college coaches are going to a ecnl game blindly with roster printed in hand and looking for a diamond in the rough Disney Movie style among all the players?

Its true that recruiters have lists of players to review. But if you have all players the same grade on the field it makes it so leagues can group games by grade into the same time slots and location at events. Which makes it easier for recruiters because they can see more players in a shorter amount of time.

The college recruiters don't care.
They are there to watch specific players they already know about

If some superstar is there that they don't know about, the odds are that kid already is committed elsewhere

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Anonymous wrote:And there you go...

The parents that want to hold back their stupid kids so they can be the biggest on the team are posting with a vengeance.

You know so it's "fair" for their kid.

Other than crazy August guy, can anyone cite a previous post from a poster where they actually advocated for grade based youth soccer? Not relaying information like showcases might be grade based or college coaches might want it, but actual advocating for grade.

Yes college coaches want SY but by grade. These are the people recruiting players to play in college.

Cubs like SY but by grade because it makes grouping players easier.

Leagues like SY but grouped by grade because it insures all players on the field during a game are the same grade. This makes it easier to college recruiters to review players because they dont waste time looking at players that atent graduating the year they're looking for.

College scouts aren't recruiting grades
They are recruiting individuals and they know the individual's grad year

Because recuiters know which players are playing down is why they'll they'll be ignored.

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Anonymous wrote:BTW, how does any kid who bio-bands get recruited if recruiting by grade is absolute?

They don't, which is what multiple MLSN people have said. Being a biobanded player is the kiss of death for playing professionally or in college.

No it's not

It's why you were biobanded
How you perform while biobanded
How you performed after being biobanded, because no one biobands past U16
Its your new size past puberty and performance

Why dont clubs bioband past u16?

Because by U16 most if not all players have hit puberty
If you're a really late developer, then a top college ain't looking at you anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And there you go...

The parents that want to hold back their stupid kids so they can be the biggest on the team are posting with a vengeance.

You know so it's "fair" for their kid.

Other than crazy August guy, can anyone cite a previous post from a poster where they actually advocated for grade based youth soccer? Not relaying information like showcases might be grade based or college coaches might want it, but actual advocating for grade.

Yes college coaches want SY but by grade. These are the people recruiting players to play in college.

Cubs like SY but by grade because it makes grouping players easier.

Leagues like SY but grouped by grade because it insures all players on the field during a game are the same grade. This makes it easier to college recruiters to review players because they dont waste time looking at players that atent graduating the year they're looking for.

College scouts aren't recruiting grades
They are recruiting individuals and they know the individual's grad year

Because recuiters know which players are playing down is why they'll they'll be ignored.

So a U17 can play U16 in ECNL next year?

What is playing down?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And there you go...

The parents that want to hold back their stupid kids so they can be the biggest on the team are posting with a vengeance.

You know so it's "fair" for their kid.

Other than crazy August guy, can anyone cite a previous post from a poster where they actually advocated for grade based youth soccer? Not relaying information like showcases might be grade based or college coaches might want it, but actual advocating for grade.

Yes college coaches want SY but by grade. These are the people recruiting players to play in college.

Cubs like SY but by grade because it makes grouping players easier.

Leagues like SY but grouped by grade because it insures all players on the field during a game are the same grade. This makes it easier to college recruiters to review players because they dont waste time looking at players that atent graduating the year they're looking for.

College scouts aren't recruiting grades
They are recruiting individuals and they know the individual's grad year

Because recuiters know which players are playing down is why they'll they'll be ignored.

Take your own advice and move on, "I don't care who got an opportunity that my kid didnt." You are pretending to be the great protector of August kids when, you are trying to sandbag them so your DD gets a better opportunity. Nobody believes you.

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Anonymous wrote:And there you go...

The parents that want to hold back their stupid kids so they can be the biggest on the team are posting with a vengeance.

You know so it's "fair" for their kid.

Other than crazy August guy, can anyone cite a previous post from a poster where they actually advocated for grade based youth soccer? Not relaying information like showcases might be grade based or college coaches might want it, but actual advocating for grade.

Yes college coaches want SY but by grade. These are the people recruiting players to play in college.

Cubs like SY but by grade because it makes grouping players easier.

Leagues like SY but grouped by grade because it insures all players on the field during a game are the same grade. This makes it easier to college recruiters to review players because they dont waste time looking at players that atent graduating the year they're looking for.

A simple nobody else here but August loon wants GY would suffice and as illustrated from the question being ignored.

Its not GY its SY grouped by grade which is a HUGE difference.

SY grouped by grade does not allow holdbacks play down against younger players.

Walks like a duck, it is GY.

Holdbacks are too convoluted to accurately define and police based on 50 states having differing rules, people moving, international kids, homeschooling, lack of true documentation so not policeable, etc. but you already knew that. That is why a 12 month window has and will be used. Enforceable and standardized documentation are huge for clubs and leagues.

No its very different SY grouped by grade doesnt allow holdbacks which is where 99% of the issues with GY originate from.

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Anonymous wrote:And there you go...

The parents that want to hold back their stupid kids so they can be the biggest on the team are posting with a vengeance.

You know so it's "fair" for their kid.

Other than crazy August guy, can anyone cite a previous post from a poster where they actually advocated for grade based youth soccer? Not relaying information like showcases might be grade based or college coaches might want it, but actual advocating for grade.

Yes college coaches want SY but by grade. These are the people recruiting players to play in college.

Cubs like SY but by grade because it makes grouping players easier.

Leagues like SY but grouped by grade because it insures all players on the field during a game are the same grade. This makes it easier to college recruiters to review players because they dont waste time looking at players that atent graduating the year they're looking for.

A simple nobody else here but August loon wants GY would suffice and as illustrated from the question being ignored.

Its not GY its SY grouped by grade which is a HUGE difference.

SY grouped by grade does not allow holdbacks play down against younger players.

Walks like a duck, it is GY.

Holdbacks are too convoluted to accurately define and police based on 50 states having differing rules, people moving, international kids, homeschooling, lack of true documentation so not policeable, etc. but you already knew that. That is why a 12 month window has and will be used. Enforceable and standardized documentation are huge for clubs and leagues.

No its very different SY grouped by grade doesnt allow holdbacks which is where 99% of the issues with GY originate from.

There is no such thing as SY grouped by grade

SY is just a way to say Aug 1st to July 31st 12 month period
It's based on the calendar, not school grade.

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Anonymous wrote:And there you go...

The parents that want to hold back their stupid kids so they can be the biggest on the team are posting with a vengeance.

You know so it's "fair" for their kid.

Other than crazy August guy, can anyone cite a previous post from a poster where they actually advocated for grade based youth soccer? Not relaying information like showcases might be grade based or college coaches might want it, but actual advocating for grade.

Yes college coaches want SY but by grade. These are the people recruiting players to play in college.

Cubs like SY but by grade because it makes grouping players easier.

Leagues like SY but grouped by grade because it insures all players on the field during a game are the same grade. This makes it easier to college recruiters to review players because they dont waste time looking at players that atent graduating the year they're looking for.

A simple nobody else here but August loon wants GY would suffice and as illustrated from the question being ignored.

Its not GY its SY grouped by grade which is a HUGE difference.

SY grouped by grade does not allow holdbacks play down against younger players.

Walks like a duck, it is GY.

Holdbacks are too convoluted to accurately define and police based on 50 states having differing rules, people moving, international kids, homeschooling, lack of true documentation so not policeable, etc. but you already knew that. That is why a 12 month window has and will be used. Enforceable and standardized documentation are huge for clubs and leagues.

No its very different SY grouped by grade doesnt allow holdbacks which is where 99% of the issues with GY originate from.

SY grouped by grade would creat multiple cohort groups across a 12 month period. Meaning youth soccer would have about 3 categories for each age group, on grade, up a grade and below a grade with no way to consistently define or document grade. Not realistic. Remember, clubs needed 12 months to code their databases to go from BY to SY.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:BTW, how does any kid who bio-bands get recruited if recruiting by grade is absolute?

They don't, which is what multiple MLSN people have said. Being a biobanded player is the kiss of death for playing professionally or in college.

No it's not

It's why you were biobanded
How you perform while biobanded
How you performed after being biobanded, because no one biobands past U16
Its your new size past puberty and performance

Why dont clubs bioband past u16?

Because by U16 most if not all players have hit puberty
If you're a really late developer, then a top college ain't looking at you anyway.

Appreciate the honest response 👍

Exactly like I said. Pro clubs and College coaches doesnt take players playing down seriously. Which is why MLSN doesnt bioband past u16.

Chalk another one up for reality.

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Anonymous wrote:And there you go...

The parents that want to hold back their stupid kids so they can be the biggest on the team are posting with a vengeance.

You know so it's "fair" for their kid.

Other than crazy August guy, can anyone cite a previous post from a poster where they actually advocated for grade based youth soccer? Not relaying information like showcases might be grade based or college coaches might want it, but actual advocating for grade.

Yes college coaches want SY but by grade. These are the people recruiting players to play in college.

Cubs like SY but by grade because it makes grouping players easier.

Leagues like SY but grouped by grade because it insures all players on the field during a game are the same grade. This makes it easier to college recruiters to review players because they dont waste time looking at players that atent graduating the year they're looking for.

A simple nobody else here but August loon wants GY would suffice and as illustrated from the question being ignored.

Its not GY its SY grouped by grade which is a HUGE difference.

SY grouped by grade does not allow holdbacks play down against younger players.

Walks like a duck, it is GY.

Holdbacks are too convoluted to accurately define and police based on 50 states having differing rules, people moving, international kids, homeschooling, lack of true documentation so not policeable, etc. but you already knew that. That is why a 12 month window has and will be used. Enforceable and standardized documentation are huge for clubs and leagues.

No its very different SY grouped by grade doesnt allow holdbacks which is where 99% of the issues with GY originate from.

SY grouped by grade would creat multiple cohort groups across a 12 month period. Meaning youth soccer would have about 3 categories for each age group, on grade, up a grade and below a grade with no way to consistently define or document grade. Not realistic. Remember, clubs needed 12 months to code their databases to go from BY to SY.

No, SY grouped by grade would have one team per grade. You might want to invest in a calender.

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Anonymous wrote:And there you go...

The parents that want to hold back their stupid kids so they can be the biggest on the team are posting with a vengeance.

You know so it's "fair" for their kid.

Other than crazy August guy, can anyone cite a previous post from a poster where they actually advocated for grade based youth soccer? Not relaying information like showcases might be grade based or college coaches might want it, but actual advocating for grade.

Yes college coaches want SY but by grade. These are the people recruiting players to play in college.

Cubs like SY but by grade because it makes grouping players easier.

Leagues like SY but grouped by grade because it insures all players on the field during a game are the same grade. This makes it easier to college recruiters to review players because they dont waste time looking at players that atent graduating the year they're looking for.

A simple nobody else here but August loon wants GY would suffice and as illustrated from the question being ignored.

Its not GY its SY grouped by grade which is a HUGE difference.

SY grouped by grade does not allow holdbacks play down against younger players.

Walks like a duck, it is GY.

Holdbacks are too convoluted to accurately define and police based on 50 states having differing rules, people moving, international kids, homeschooling, lack of true documentation so not policeable, etc. but you already knew that. That is why a 12 month window has and will be used. Enforceable and standardized documentation are huge for clubs and leagues.

No its very different SY grouped by grade doesnt allow holdbacks which is where 99% of the issues with GY originate from.

SY grouped by grade would creat multiple cohort groups across a 12 month period. Meaning youth soccer would have about 3 categories for each age group, on grade, up a grade and below a grade with no way to consistently define or document grade. Not realistic. Remember, clubs needed 12 months to code their databases to go from BY to SY.

No, SY grouped by grade would have one team per grade. You might want to invest in a calender.

SY is 8/1 - 7/31. Grade differs by state. Leagues don't want different rules for each state. You haven't overcome the logistics at all. Which is why all in the know recognize that a 12 month ago window was is and will be used.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:And there you go...

The parents that want to hold back their stupid kids so they can be the biggest on the team are posting with a vengeance.

You know so it's "fair" for their kid.

Other than crazy August guy, can anyone cite a previous post from a poster where they actually advocated for grade based youth soccer? Not relaying information like showcases might be grade based or college coaches might want it, but actual advocating for grade.

Yes college coaches want SY but by grade. These are the people recruiting players to play in college.

Cubs like SY but by grade because it makes grouping players easier.

Leagues like SY but grouped by grade because it insures all players on the field during a game are the same grade. This makes it easier to college recruiters to review players because they dont waste time looking at players that atent graduating the year they're looking for.

A simple nobody else here but August loon wants GY would suffice and as illustrated from the question being ignored.

Its not GY its SY grouped by grade which is a HUGE difference.

SY grouped by grade does not allow holdbacks play down against younger players.

Walks like a duck, it is GY.

Holdbacks are too convoluted to accurately define and police based on 50 states having differing rules, people moving, international kids, homeschooling, lack of true documentation so not policeable, etc. but you already knew that. That is why a 12 month window has and will be used. Enforceable and standardized documentation are huge for clubs and leagues.

No its very different SY grouped by grade doesnt allow holdbacks which is where 99% of the issues with GY originate from.

SY grouped by grade would creat multiple cohort groups across a 12 month period. Meaning youth soccer would have about 3 categories for each age group, on grade, up a grade and below a grade with no way to consistently define or document grade. Not realistic. Remember, clubs needed 12 months to code their databases to go from BY to SY.

No, SY grouped by grade would have one team per grade. You might want to invest in a calender.

SY is 8/1 - 7/31. Grade differs by state. Leagues don't want different rules for each state. You haven't overcome the logistics at all. Which is why all in the know recognize that a 12 month ago window was is and will be used.

It doesnt work that way once recruiting is involved. To get noticed you need to play with your grade in school. Nobody cares about a 1-2 month variance when you're competing with players 1-4 years older including the transfer portal for a college roster spot.

[Anonymous]

If they don’t care about a few months one way or the other, then they won’t care about grade, especially if they are there to see you play (which is often connected to other contacts and coaching recommendations).

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Anonymous wrote:And there you go...

The parents that want to hold back their stupid kids so they can be the biggest on the team are posting with a vengeance.

You know so it's "fair" for their kid.

Other than crazy August guy, can anyone cite a previous post from a poster where they actually advocated for grade based youth soccer? Not relaying information like showcases might be grade based or college coaches might want it, but actual advocating for grade.

Yes college coaches want SY but by grade. These are the people recruiting players to play in college.

Cubs like SY but by grade because it makes grouping players easier.

Leagues like SY but grouped by grade because it insures all players on the field during a game are the same grade. This makes it easier to college recruiters to review players because they dont waste time looking at players that atent graduating the year they're looking for.

A simple nobody else here but August loon wants GY would suffice and as illustrated from the question being ignored.

Its not GY its SY grouped by grade which is a HUGE difference.

SY grouped by grade does not allow holdbacks play down against younger players.

Walks like a duck, it is GY.

Holdbacks are too convoluted to accurately define and police based on 50 states having differing rules, people moving, international kids, homeschooling, lack of true documentation so not policeable, etc. but you already knew that. That is why a 12 month window has and will be used. Enforceable and standardized documentation are huge for clubs and leagues.

No its very different SY grouped by grade doesnt allow holdbacks which is where 99% of the issues with GY originate from.

The problem emerges as states with different cut offs play each other. It’s a national league.