Anonymous wrote:Crime stats are a joke. Nice that murders might be down but quality of life crimes are up. Bragg is not seeking meaningful sentencing so police is demoralized because they put their lives on the line then see the criminal back on the streets the same day despite a long rap sheet.
People should not serve life terms for their first shoplifting offense. But we need more sensible penalties, particularly for repeat offenders - each additional guilty offense should result in an increased sentence. Really not that complicated.
Well if they’re up, it’s been under a cop mayor. I personally think a fair amount of it is based on impression. Have you ever spoken with someone who actually grew up in NYC, in the 80s, as ex? They would laugh if you told them ‘quality of life in NYC has decreased’! I can still remember when Times Square was a disaster zone, so was much of Tribeca, and many borough neighborhoods that were practically uninhabitable are gorgeous now (Williamsburg is the most obvious example). People who cry ‘NYC is going downhill!!’ clearly don’t live in NYC or have a very limited frame of reference. Do I think there can be quality of life improvements? Absolutely.
Thank you for the scripted response - that is what everyone says. I'm not comparing it to then. I'm comparing it to 10-15 years ago. I have lived in NYC for 20+ years and grew up in the 80s nearby so I'm well aware of what you are referring to.
Fair point about Adams. He has not focused as much on this as he should have. He is also somewhat handcuffed (pardon my pun) by a DA who is not prosecuting crimes and laws largely created by the state that also make enforcement harder. So, to your point, one cannot solely credit or blame the mayor for this. But the mayor can use his/her bully pulpit to prioritize it more. Bloomberg tried to do this and admittedly went too far with how stop and frisk was executed. I remain convinced that stop and frisk in theory is a great idea, but it was poorly executed.
And again, I'm not asking for a Trump-led police state. I just want more of a focus on dealing with quality of life crimes in a more serious way. Having meaningful penalties, especially for repeat offenders. Come up with a plan for those who are really, really mentally off and need serious help. I cannot stand those who think that letting them suffer on the streets is protecting their rights. No, it is insulting them, while also putting others in danger.
Uh, do you not recall that we had a global pandemic just a few years ago that hit NYC hardest in the US, at least initially?
As far as homeless/mentally ill. I totally agree this is an issue that needs to be addressed.
But those issues you cite are not Mandan’s to own. If anything, he’s trying to figure out ways to address quality of life issues, and let cops spend more time on crime rather than mental health/drug issues which anyone with eyes can see are a huge part of any current dysfunction in the city. Will it work? Idk. But it’s refreshing to have someone who seems open to trying things, and who isn’t beholden to their own ego and special interests. Sliwa is a joke and Cuomo seems more concerned with kissing Israel’s ass (he said he’d defend Netanyahu) and satisfying his real estate and billionaire donors, all of whom claim there is no money to raise taxes yet easily donated millions to Cuomo.
I’m sad to see that many people who claim they don’t like mandani over these issues seem to be hiding their real objection- he’s Muslim.
Wow. Just wow. I didn't totally agree with you but I respected your perspective. Then you dropped the Muslim bit. Please. That is such a cop out. I'm Jewish. But I honestly care almost zero about the Israel stuff or anything else. Because that is largely beyond his jurisdisction as mayor and I don't think he is truly anti-Semitic. I think he could have been handling it better but that is not my issue.
When you use low class comments like that to basically try to put a stop to a conversation, you are not engaging in adult discourse. So I won't bother with the rest. Because it isn't worth discussing. Grow up.
Apparently I hit a nerve. So it’s ok for everyone to call Mamdani anti semitic- it’s been said over and over and over- but no one can say that they see anti Islamic sentiment? Got it. Rules for there but not for me.
Everyone? Really? Please stop generalizing. There are definitely some who did. And his refusal to condemn an anti-Semitic term somewhat justifies that. But many (if not most people) dislike him for reasons that have nothing to do with this. To prove my point, I will say that I am sure there are anti-Islamic people, which is very unfortunate. But there are not nearly as many as you are portraying. But you can continue obsessing over it and ignorantly generalizing.
My guess is it's a very small percentage. Most of his detractors likely oppose him because he's a democratic socialist, he wants to give everyone free stuff without any plan to pay for it, he's soft on crime, and he has very little experience (both governing and life experience.
Obama was inexperienced. M has plans to pay for things and his ideas are not nearly as ‘radical’ as people are claiming. Not one of them.
It’s Islamaphobia
I am a non-Muslim with several very close friends who are Muslim - they attended my wedding and I would give them the shirt off my back, and vice versa. I don't like Mamdani. He is like Trump in that he plays to people's most base instincts and people suspend logic and critical thinking skills in supporting him. Note that I would take Mamdani any day of the week over Trump - Trump is truly evil. I do not think Mamdani is at all evil. I just don't think he is qualified.
I know people in OMB, law department, etc. They understand what makes the city run. They are scared.
I have "simplistic know-it-all snarky jerk-ophobia." You seem to be one. I don't like you.
Interesting that you went for a personal attack. Like the other poster.
Many Muslim New Yorkers have had to deal- for years- with pretty much every NY politician bowing to Israel, visiting Israel etc. Yet we never went to ask them how they feel about having to vote for a pro Israel politician, etc. We didn’t spend a significant chunk of mayoral debates asking about the candidates views on Palestine and how they plan to support the Muslim community, and attacking them for even the slightest verbal misstep. Why did Mamdani take a few hours to post in celebration of the hostage release?? Why didn’t he disavow the words ‘globalize the intifada’ faster???
Have we ever given the many pro Israel politicians in NY grief for the many many times they have said things and taken actions (visiting Israel? Why??) that the Muslim/ pro Palestine community probably found hurtful?
It is an incredible double standard.
What people in ‘law department’ do you know? What roles? Why are the scared specifically? I know people who don’t like Mamdani - they are all Jewish NY’ers fwiw- but no one has said they’re ‘scared’. Not one.
You are whining about how Muslims are treated in NY yet are trafficking in rude, incorrect generalizations about Jews. Really?
There are a bunch of people posting here but I am one of the more frequent and again, I am a Jew for whom all of the drama about Mamdani's relationship with Jews is overplayed. That is low on my list of issues with him. But in your simplistic world of generalizations, all Jews are evil anti-Muslim people who are only focused on that.
Have you ever read the city's financials? Do you know the byzantine legal system to run this city? It is not for the faint of heart. It is sad that all of these people have fallen in love with him for making promises that he can't keep because either a) he is not empowered to make the changes, and/or b) even if he was, getting them through the system and getting them paid for (oh yeah, money doesn't grow on all of those tress in Brooklyn) is really hard - taxing the rich will not solve all problems. And I am not opposed to slightly increasing taxes on the rich, contrary to your belief that all of us Jews and/or upper middle class/rich people only care about money and refuse to pay our share. I want better social services. I want to help people. I want to improve education for all New Yorkers. I'm willing to help pay for it. But his ways of doing so, at least the very, very few he has enumerated, won't get it done.
Not sure why we are wasting our time here. You live in your little whiny bubble where you blame everything on the rich white folk, particularly the Jews. And I'm not going to change that. I'm so curious where in NYC you even live, but I'm not going to go there as it will just make this thread even worse. Congratulations. Your guy is going to win. As much as I don't like him, it could be worse. I pray for him to show wisdom and reason. I appreciate that he seems to be making an effort to reach out to others. I do not think he deserves the wrath that Trump is going to bring on him. See - everything is not binary.
Wow you get testy when you’re wrong. Your post is far too long and defensive and full of leaps of logic, misleading statements and personal attacks (apparently you assume that I’m anti semitic based on very little, I’m not white and that I’m not wealthy and also that I’m not Jewish) to respond to in full. You also apparently think I’m not allowed to call out my experience ... as ex, that many of my Jewish friends and acquaintance don’t like Mandani? Somehow that’s anti semitic for me to say? But yet no one can say they think there’s Islamophobia anywhere? Got it.
You are also repeating the same talking points from before. Broken record.
The city’s financials? Are you saying Mamdani isn’t smart enough? Really? And yes, I have some knowledge of NYC OMB. A family member was an analyst.
Please note that there are multiple people responding to you.
I never called you anti-semitic. I'm saying you make very broad, ignorant generalizations. Anti-semitic means you hate Jews. I will give you the benefit of the doubt on that. But you seem very defensive about it.
I'm not saying Mamdani is stupid. I am saying that he doesn't know what he is getting into and he doesn't know what he doesn't know. Running NYC, or any large organization, is extremely complicated. He has no experience in anything remotely this complicated, or having really worked in NYC government. So he just throws stuff out there. Again, I am rooting for him to succeed, because I am rooting for NYC. But hopefully some of the members of his fan club are keeping track of all of his promises and when he either fails to fulfill them or he does fulfill them and they create lots of problems, he will be held accountable.
Yeah. You have a family member who worked for OMB. That and $2.90 (soon to be $3) will get you on the subway. Though that might make you more knowledgeable than Mamdani.
I’m aware there’s a possibility of being more than one person.
That doesn’t meant that i can’t identify some of your posts, including this one above. You consistently fail to respond or engage on substantive issues, and revert to tropes, corny phrasing and insults. You dismiss the thousands of grown adults who want to vote for Mamdani as part of his ‘fan club’? How diminishing and coded. Is your alter ego the openly bigoted poster above?
Mamdani appears as qualified and capable as any other younger politician who has leapt above other more experienced candidates because of charisma and good ideas. Obama being an obvious example. This is how our democratic system works. The people elect who they want.
As far as his campaign statements, I’ll take a politician who is working for the people, whether he fails at some of his ideas or not, over ‘experienced’ corrupt politicians like Adams and Cuomo who are beholden to special interests. Mamdani has stood up for his principles on some huge issues- Israel being one of them. I’ll take that any day.
NP: You are an idiot. Not worth saying more. Not sure why the other poster continues to engage with you. I don't 100% agree with them but you are choosing to ignore and insult everything they are saying. You seem to be looking for reasons to be angry. They are doing this too to some extent, but not as much as you.
NP: I’ve been following too and I think you’re not a NP because your style is very similar to the above posters. Nothing substantive just name calling and projection.
I'm the primary poster and this is not me. You need a hobby if you are spending your time dissecting the syntax of posters on a message board. I have also argued that they really should attach "names" to posters so it is easier to tell who is repeating themselves, because I agree that that happens too often here. But it was not me.
I'm out. And by the way, for all of my bashing of Mamdani, I am likely voting for him. And as I have said repeatedly, I wish him well. And I am tired of being accused of being a racist bigot because I oppose this person's preferred candidate. For the 20th time, I agree that there are people who dislike him for those reasons. And I think that is really horrible. I have tried to explain other reasons why many smart, thoughtful, kind, unbigoted people of a wide variety of backgrounds dislike him but I just get insulted in return. And to be fair, I have done my share of insulting - I am not perfect. But I have also acknowledged some of Mamdani's positives. This person just keeps coming at me with very personal, childish insults - I have said nothing that is equivalent to calling someone a racist bigot, which is as low as one can go.
Where were you called a racist bigot? What personal childish insults? Please show me where.
I’ve seen people discussing POC in racist ways, I’ve seen people accusing Mandani supporters of being anti white and anti Jewish, I’ve seen Mandani supporters called ‘idiots’ (and also that he is ‘pro Hamas’ and a jihadist’ by our NY reps) but I personally don’t see where anyone called anyone a racist bigot. Please link
I don't have time to go back, but most recently "Is your alter ego the openly bigoted poster above?" I have been genuine and honest and made it very clear to distance myself from that nutjob. I have agreed that there are unfortunately people like that out there and it is not OK. Yet you aligned me with them. Plus I think you did it earlier.
Again, there are bad people out there who dislike Mamdani for bad reasons, and that is not OK. I 100% agree. I am not denying that they exist. But you repeatedly, over and over again, give the impression that you think that that is the only reason why one does not like Mamdani. I have given numerous other reasons. You might disagree with them, but they are reasonable, and they are far from bigoted. Can you please just admit that not all Mamdani opponents are racist bigots? Is that too hard?
I am trying really hard to find at least a little bit of common ground here but you refuse to reciprocate - you just keep arguing. Throw me a freaking bone.
It was a question. Did you answer it? Seems like that would have been the normal response, instead of crying and whining that people are labeling you.
What common ground have you tried to make with Mamdani supporters other than insulting them and saying they are naive and don't understand how complex the city is?
Here is just one of your various insults, below ... how exactly is that taking the high ground? Genuinely curious. Seems like it's rules for thee, but not for me.
Not sure why we are wasting our time here. You live in your little whiny bubble where you blame everything on the rich white folk, particularly the Jews
Anonymous wrote:Crime stats are a joke. Nice that murders might be down but quality of life crimes are up. Bragg is not seeking meaningful sentencing so police is demoralized because they put their lives on the line then see the criminal back on the streets the same day despite a long rap sheet.
People should not serve life terms for their first shoplifting offense. But we need more sensible penalties, particularly for repeat offenders - each additional guilty offense should result in an increased sentence. Really not that complicated.
Well if they’re up, it’s been under a cop mayor. I personally think a fair amount of it is based on impression. Have you ever spoken with someone who actually grew up in NYC, in the 80s, as ex? They would laugh if you told them ‘quality of life in NYC has decreased’! I can still remember when Times Square was a disaster zone, so was much of Tribeca, and many borough neighborhoods that were practically uninhabitable are gorgeous now (Williamsburg is the most obvious example). People who cry ‘NYC is going downhill!!’ clearly don’t live in NYC or have a very limited frame of reference. Do I think there can be quality of life improvements? Absolutely.
Thank you for the scripted response - that is what everyone says. I'm not comparing it to then. I'm comparing it to 10-15 years ago. I have lived in NYC for 20+ years and grew up in the 80s nearby so I'm well aware of what you are referring to.
Fair point about Adams. He has not focused as much on this as he should have. He is also somewhat handcuffed (pardon my pun) by a DA who is not prosecuting crimes and laws largely created by the state that also make enforcement harder. So, to your point, one cannot solely credit or blame the mayor for this. But the mayor can use his/her bully pulpit to prioritize it more. Bloomberg tried to do this and admittedly went too far with how stop and frisk was executed. I remain convinced that stop and frisk in theory is a great idea, but it was poorly executed.
And again, I'm not asking for a Trump-led police state. I just want more of a focus on dealing with quality of life crimes in a more serious way. Having meaningful penalties, especially for repeat offenders. Come up with a plan for those who are really, really mentally off and need serious help. I cannot stand those who think that letting them suffer on the streets is protecting their rights. No, it is insulting them, while also putting others in danger.
Uh, do you not recall that we had a global pandemic just a few years ago that hit NYC hardest in the US, at least initially?
As far as homeless/mentally ill. I totally agree this is an issue that needs to be addressed.
But those issues you cite are not Mandan’s to own. If anything, he’s trying to figure out ways to address quality of life issues, and let cops spend more time on crime rather than mental health/drug issues which anyone with eyes can see are a huge part of any current dysfunction in the city. Will it work? Idk. But it’s refreshing to have someone who seems open to trying things, and who isn’t beholden to their own ego and special interests. Sliwa is a joke and Cuomo seems more concerned with kissing Israel’s ass (he said he’d defend Netanyahu) and satisfying his real estate and billionaire donors, all of whom claim there is no money to raise taxes yet easily donated millions to Cuomo.
I’m sad to see that many people who claim they don’t like mandani over these issues seem to be hiding their real objection- he’s Muslim.
Wow. Just wow. I didn't totally agree with you but I respected your perspective. Then you dropped the Muslim bit. Please. That is such a cop out. I'm Jewish. But I honestly care almost zero about the Israel stuff or anything else. Because that is largely beyond his jurisdisction as mayor and I don't think he is truly anti-Semitic. I think he could have been handling it better but that is not my issue.
When you use low class comments like that to basically try to put a stop to a conversation, you are not engaging in adult discourse. So I won't bother with the rest. Because it isn't worth discussing. Grow up.
Apparently I hit a nerve. So it’s ok for everyone to call Mamdani anti semitic- it’s been said over and over and over- but no one can say that they see anti Islamic sentiment? Got it. Rules for there but not for me.
Everyone? Really? Please stop generalizing. There are definitely some who did. And his refusal to condemn an anti-Semitic term somewhat justifies that. But many (if not most people) dislike him for reasons that have nothing to do with this. To prove my point, I will say that I am sure there are anti-Islamic people, which is very unfortunate. But there are not nearly as many as you are portraying. But you can continue obsessing over it and ignorantly generalizing.
My guess is it's a very small percentage. Most of his detractors likely oppose him because he's a democratic socialist, he wants to give everyone free stuff without any plan to pay for it, he's soft on crime, and he has very little experience (both governing and life experience.
Obama was inexperienced. M has plans to pay for things and his ideas are not nearly as ‘radical’ as people are claiming. Not one of them.
It’s Islamaphobia
I am a non-Muslim with several very close friends who are Muslim - they attended my wedding and I would give them the shirt off my back, and vice versa. I don't like Mamdani. He is like Trump in that he plays to people's most base instincts and people suspend logic and critical thinking skills in supporting him. Note that I would take Mamdani any day of the week over Trump - Trump is truly evil. I do not think Mamdani is at all evil. I just don't think he is qualified.
I know people in OMB, law department, etc. They understand what makes the city run. They are scared.
I have "simplistic know-it-all snarky jerk-ophobia." You seem to be one. I don't like you.
Interesting that you went for a personal attack. Like the other poster.
Many Muslim New Yorkers have had to deal- for years- with pretty much every NY politician bowing to Israel, visiting Israel etc. Yet we never went to ask them how they feel about having to vote for a pro Israel politician, etc. We didn’t spend a significant chunk of mayoral debates asking about the candidates views on Palestine and how they plan to support the Muslim community, and attacking them for even the slightest verbal misstep. Why did Mamdani take a few hours to post in celebration of the hostage release?? Why didn’t he disavow the words ‘globalize the intifada’ faster???
Have we ever given the many pro Israel politicians in NY grief for the many many times they have said things and taken actions (visiting Israel? Why??) that the Muslim/ pro Palestine community probably found hurtful?
It is an incredible double standard.
What people in ‘law department’ do you know? What roles? Why are the scared specifically? I know people who don’t like Mamdani - they are all Jewish NY’ers fwiw- but no one has said they’re ‘scared’. Not one.
You are whining about how Muslims are treated in NY yet are trafficking in rude, incorrect generalizations about Jews. Really?
There are a bunch of people posting here but I am one of the more frequent and again, I am a Jew for whom all of the drama about Mamdani's relationship with Jews is overplayed. That is low on my list of issues with him. But in your simplistic world of generalizations, all Jews are evil anti-Muslim people who are only focused on that.
Have you ever read the city's financials? Do you know the byzantine legal system to run this city? It is not for the faint of heart. It is sad that all of these people have fallen in love with him for making promises that he can't keep because either a) he is not empowered to make the changes, and/or b) even if he was, getting them through the system and getting them paid for (oh yeah, money doesn't grow on all of those tress in Brooklyn) is really hard - taxing the rich will not solve all problems. And I am not opposed to slightly increasing taxes on the rich, contrary to your belief that all of us Jews and/or upper middle class/rich people only care about money and refuse to pay our share. I want better social services. I want to help people. I want to improve education for all New Yorkers. I'm willing to help pay for it. But his ways of doing so, at least the very, very few he has enumerated, won't get it done.
Not sure why we are wasting our time here. You live in your little whiny bubble where you blame everything on the rich white folk, particularly the Jews. And I'm not going to change that. I'm so curious where in NYC you even live, but I'm not going to go there as it will just make this thread even worse. Congratulations. Your guy is going to win. As much as I don't like him, it could be worse. I pray for him to show wisdom and reason. I appreciate that he seems to be making an effort to reach out to others. I do not think he deserves the wrath that Trump is going to bring on him. See - everything is not binary.
Wow you get testy when you’re wrong. Your post is far too long and defensive and full of leaps of logic, misleading statements and personal attacks (apparently you assume that I’m anti semitic based on very little, I’m not white and that I’m not wealthy and also that I’m not Jewish) to respond to in full. You also apparently think I’m not allowed to call out my experience ... as ex, that many of my Jewish friends and acquaintance don’t like Mandani? Somehow that’s anti semitic for me to say? But yet no one can say they think there’s Islamophobia anywhere? Got it.
You are also repeating the same talking points from before. Broken record.
The city’s financials? Are you saying Mamdani isn’t smart enough? Really? And yes, I have some knowledge of NYC OMB. A family member was an analyst.
Please note that there are multiple people responding to you.
I never called you anti-semitic. I'm saying you make very broad, ignorant generalizations. Anti-semitic means you hate Jews. I will give you the benefit of the doubt on that. But you seem very defensive about it.
I'm not saying Mamdani is stupid. I am saying that he doesn't know what he is getting into and he doesn't know what he doesn't know. Running NYC, or any large organization, is extremely complicated. He has no experience in anything remotely this complicated, or having really worked in NYC government. So he just throws stuff out there. Again, I am rooting for him to succeed, because I am rooting for NYC. But hopefully some of the members of his fan club are keeping track of all of his promises and when he either fails to fulfill them or he does fulfill them and they create lots of problems, he will be held accountable.
Yeah. You have a family member who worked for OMB. That and $2.90 (soon to be $3) will get you on the subway. Though that might make you more knowledgeable than Mamdani.
I’m aware there’s a possibility of being more than one person.
That doesn’t meant that i can’t identify some of your posts, including this one above. You consistently fail to respond or engage on substantive issues, and revert to tropes, corny phrasing and insults. You dismiss the thousands of grown adults who want to vote for Mamdani as part of his ‘fan club’? How diminishing and coded. Is your alter ego the openly bigoted poster above?
Mamdani appears as qualified and capable as any other younger politician who has leapt above other more experienced candidates because of charisma and good ideas. Obama being an obvious example. This is how our democratic system works. The people elect who they want.
As far as his campaign statements, I’ll take a politician who is working for the people, whether he fails at some of his ideas or not, over ‘experienced’ corrupt politicians like Adams and Cuomo who are beholden to special interests. Mamdani has stood up for his principles on some huge issues- Israel being one of them. I’ll take that any day.
NP: You are an idiot. Not worth saying more. Not sure why the other poster continues to engage with you. I don't 100% agree with them but you are choosing to ignore and insult everything they are saying. You seem to be looking for reasons to be angry. They are doing this too to some extent, but not as much as you.
NP: I’ve been following too and I think you’re not a NP because your style is very similar to the above posters. Nothing substantive just name calling and projection.
I'm the primary poster and this is not me. You need a hobby if you are spending your time dissecting the syntax of posters on a message board. I have also argued that they really should attach "names" to posters so it is easier to tell who is repeating themselves, because I agree that that happens too often here. But it was not me.
I'm out. And by the way, for all of my bashing of Mamdani, I am likely voting for him. And as I have said repeatedly, I wish him well. And I am tired of being accused of being a racist bigot because I oppose this person's preferred candidate. For the 20th time, I agree that there are people who dislike him for those reasons. And I think that is really horrible. I have tried to explain other reasons why many smart, thoughtful, kind, unbigoted people of a wide variety of backgrounds dislike him but I just get insulted in return. And to be fair, I have done my share of insulting - I am not perfect. But I have also acknowledged some of Mamdani's positives. This person just keeps coming at me with very personal, childish insults - I have said nothing that is equivalent to calling someone a racist bigot, which is as low as one can go.
Where were you called a racist bigot? What personal childish insults? Please show me where.
I’ve seen people discussing POC in racist ways, I’ve seen people accusing Mandani supporters of being anti white and anti Jewish, I’ve seen Mandani supporters called ‘idiots’ (and also that he is ‘pro Hamas’ and a jihadist’ by our NY reps) but I personally don’t see where anyone called anyone a racist bigot. Please link
I don't have time to go back, but most recently "Is your alter ego the openly bigoted poster above?" I have been genuine and honest and made it very clear to distance myself from that nutjob. I have agreed that there are unfortunately people like that out there and it is not OK. Yet you aligned me with them. Plus I think you did it earlier.
Again, there are bad people out there who dislike Mamdani for bad reasons, and that is not OK. I 100% agree. I am not denying that they exist. But you repeatedly, over and over again, give the impression that you think that that is the only reason why one does not like Mamdani. I have given numerous other reasons. You might disagree with them, but they are reasonable, and they are far from bigoted. Can you please just admit that not all Mamdani opponents are racist bigots? Is that too hard?
I am trying really hard to find at least a little bit of common ground here but you refuse to reciprocate - you just keep arguing. Throw me a freaking bone.
It was a question. Did you answer it? Seems like that would have been the normal response, instead of crying and whining that people are labeling you.
What common ground have you tried to make with Mamdani supporters other than insulting them and saying they are naive and don't understand how complex the city is?
Here is just one of your various insults, below ... how exactly is that taking the high ground? Genuinely curious. Seems like it's rules for thee, but not for me.
Not sure why we are wasting our time here. You live in your little whiny bubble where you blame everything on the rich white folk, particularly the Jews
Still unable to say one kind, respectful, nice word - always have to be belligerent and combative (and trafficking in broad generalizations). Based on your posts that is a 100% accurate statement. Prove me wrong. I dare you.
I have said repeatedly that I respect and appreciate that Mamdani seems to be increasingly reaching out to others. I have said repeatedly that I am rooting for him to succeed. I have said repeatedly that I would take him over Trump any day (which is admittedly a very low bar). I have said repeatedly that those who are obsessing about his stance towards Jews are going overboard. I have said repeatedly that it is very sad that unfortunately there are bigots who don’t like him due to his race.
Once again, you are all about simplistic generalizations.
Anonymous wrote:Crime stats are a joke. Nice that murders might be down but quality of life crimes are up. Bragg is not seeking meaningful sentencing so police is demoralized because they put their lives on the line then see the criminal back on the streets the same day despite a long rap sheet.
People should not serve life terms for their first shoplifting offense. But we need more sensible penalties, particularly for repeat offenders - each additional guilty offense should result in an increased sentence. Really not that complicated.
Well if they’re up, it’s been under a cop mayor. I personally think a fair amount of it is based on impression. Have you ever spoken with someone who actually grew up in NYC, in the 80s, as ex? They would laugh if you told them ‘quality of life in NYC has decreased’! I can still remember when Times Square was a disaster zone, so was much of Tribeca, and many borough neighborhoods that were practically uninhabitable are gorgeous now (Williamsburg is the most obvious example). People who cry ‘NYC is going downhill!!’ clearly don’t live in NYC or have a very limited frame of reference. Do I think there can be quality of life improvements? Absolutely.
Thank you for the scripted response - that is what everyone says. I'm not comparing it to then. I'm comparing it to 10-15 years ago. I have lived in NYC for 20+ years and grew up in the 80s nearby so I'm well aware of what you are referring to.
Fair point about Adams. He has not focused as much on this as he should have. He is also somewhat handcuffed (pardon my pun) by a DA who is not prosecuting crimes and laws largely created by the state that also make enforcement harder. So, to your point, one cannot solely credit or blame the mayor for this. But the mayor can use his/her bully pulpit to prioritize it more. Bloomberg tried to do this and admittedly went too far with how stop and frisk was executed. I remain convinced that stop and frisk in theory is a great idea, but it was poorly executed.
And again, I'm not asking for a Trump-led police state. I just want more of a focus on dealing with quality of life crimes in a more serious way. Having meaningful penalties, especially for repeat offenders. Come up with a plan for those who are really, really mentally off and need serious help. I cannot stand those who think that letting them suffer on the streets is protecting their rights. No, it is insulting them, while also putting others in danger.
Uh, do you not recall that we had a global pandemic just a few years ago that hit NYC hardest in the US, at least initially?
As far as homeless/mentally ill. I totally agree this is an issue that needs to be addressed.
But those issues you cite are not Mandan’s to own. If anything, he’s trying to figure out ways to address quality of life issues, and let cops spend more time on crime rather than mental health/drug issues which anyone with eyes can see are a huge part of any current dysfunction in the city. Will it work? Idk. But it’s refreshing to have someone who seems open to trying things, and who isn’t beholden to their own ego and special interests. Sliwa is a joke and Cuomo seems more concerned with kissing Israel’s ass (he said he’d defend Netanyahu) and satisfying his real estate and billionaire donors, all of whom claim there is no money to raise taxes yet easily donated millions to Cuomo.
I’m sad to see that many people who claim they don’t like mandani over these issues seem to be hiding their real objection- he’s Muslim.
Wow. Just wow. I didn't totally agree with you but I respected your perspective. Then you dropped the Muslim bit. Please. That is such a cop out. I'm Jewish. But I honestly care almost zero about the Israel stuff or anything else. Because that is largely beyond his jurisdisction as mayor and I don't think he is truly anti-Semitic. I think he could have been handling it better but that is not my issue.
When you use low class comments like that to basically try to put a stop to a conversation, you are not engaging in adult discourse. So I won't bother with the rest. Because it isn't worth discussing. Grow up.
Apparently I hit a nerve. So it’s ok for everyone to call Mamdani anti semitic- it’s been said over and over and over- but no one can say that they see anti Islamic sentiment? Got it. Rules for there but not for me.
Everyone? Really? Please stop generalizing. There are definitely some who did. And his refusal to condemn an anti-Semitic term somewhat justifies that. But many (if not most people) dislike him for reasons that have nothing to do with this. To prove my point, I will say that I am sure there are anti-Islamic people, which is very unfortunate. But there are not nearly as many as you are portraying. But you can continue obsessing over it and ignorantly generalizing.
My guess is it's a very small percentage. Most of his detractors likely oppose him because he's a democratic socialist, he wants to give everyone free stuff without any plan to pay for it, he's soft on crime, and he has very little experience (both governing and life experience.
Obama was inexperienced. M has plans to pay for things and his ideas are not nearly as ‘radical’ as people are claiming. Not one of them.
It’s Islamaphobia
I am a non-Muslim with several very close friends who are Muslim - they attended my wedding and I would give them the shirt off my back, and vice versa. I don't like Mamdani. He is like Trump in that he plays to people's most base instincts and people suspend logic and critical thinking skills in supporting him. Note that I would take Mamdani any day of the week over Trump - Trump is truly evil. I do not think Mamdani is at all evil. I just don't think he is qualified.
I know people in OMB, law department, etc. They understand what makes the city run. They are scared.
I have "simplistic know-it-all snarky jerk-ophobia." You seem to be one. I don't like you.
Interesting that you went for a personal attack. Like the other poster.
Many Muslim New Yorkers have had to deal- for years- with pretty much every NY politician bowing to Israel, visiting Israel etc. Yet we never went to ask them how they feel about having to vote for a pro Israel politician, etc. We didn’t spend a significant chunk of mayoral debates asking about the candidates views on Palestine and how they plan to support the Muslim community, and attacking them for even the slightest verbal misstep. Why did Mamdani take a few hours to post in celebration of the hostage release?? Why didn’t he disavow the words ‘globalize the intifada’ faster???
Have we ever given the many pro Israel politicians in NY grief for the many many times they have said things and taken actions (visiting Israel? Why??) that the Muslim/ pro Palestine community probably found hurtful?
It is an incredible double standard.
What people in ‘law department’ do you know? What roles? Why are the scared specifically? I know people who don’t like Mamdani - they are all Jewish NY’ers fwiw- but no one has said they’re ‘scared’. Not one.
You are whining about how Muslims are treated in NY yet are trafficking in rude, incorrect generalizations about Jews. Really?
There are a bunch of people posting here but I am one of the more frequent and again, I am a Jew for whom all of the drama about Mamdani's relationship with Jews is overplayed. That is low on my list of issues with him. But in your simplistic world of generalizations, all Jews are evil anti-Muslim people who are only focused on that.
Have you ever read the city's financials? Do you know the byzantine legal system to run this city? It is not for the faint of heart. It is sad that all of these people have fallen in love with him for making promises that he can't keep because either a) he is not empowered to make the changes, and/or b) even if he was, getting them through the system and getting them paid for (oh yeah, money doesn't grow on all of those tress in Brooklyn) is really hard - taxing the rich will not solve all problems. And I am not opposed to slightly increasing taxes on the rich, contrary to your belief that all of us Jews and/or upper middle class/rich people only care about money and refuse to pay our share. I want better social services. I want to help people. I want to improve education for all New Yorkers. I'm willing to help pay for it. But his ways of doing so, at least the very, very few he has enumerated, won't get it done.
Not sure why we are wasting our time here. You live in your little whiny bubble where you blame everything on the rich white folk, particularly the Jews. And I'm not going to change that. I'm so curious where in NYC you even live, but I'm not going to go there as it will just make this thread even worse. Congratulations. Your guy is going to win. As much as I don't like him, it could be worse. I pray for him to show wisdom and reason. I appreciate that he seems to be making an effort to reach out to others. I do not think he deserves the wrath that Trump is going to bring on him. See - everything is not binary.
Wow you get testy when you’re wrong. Your post is far too long and defensive and full of leaps of logic, misleading statements and personal attacks (apparently you assume that I’m anti semitic based on very little, I’m not white and that I’m not wealthy and also that I’m not Jewish) to respond to in full. You also apparently think I’m not allowed to call out my experience ... as ex, that many of my Jewish friends and acquaintance don’t like Mandani? Somehow that’s anti semitic for me to say? But yet no one can say they think there’s Islamophobia anywhere? Got it.
You are also repeating the same talking points from before. Broken record.
The city’s financials? Are you saying Mamdani isn’t smart enough? Really? And yes, I have some knowledge of NYC OMB. A family member was an analyst.
Please note that there are multiple people responding to you.
I never called you anti-semitic. I'm saying you make very broad, ignorant generalizations. Anti-semitic means you hate Jews. I will give you the benefit of the doubt on that. But you seem very defensive about it.
I'm not saying Mamdani is stupid. I am saying that he doesn't know what he is getting into and he doesn't know what he doesn't know. Running NYC, or any large organization, is extremely complicated. He has no experience in anything remotely this complicated, or having really worked in NYC government. So he just throws stuff out there. Again, I am rooting for him to succeed, because I am rooting for NYC. But hopefully some of the members of his fan club are keeping track of all of his promises and when he either fails to fulfill them or he does fulfill them and they create lots of problems, he will be held accountable.
Yeah. You have a family member who worked for OMB. That and $2.90 (soon to be $3) will get you on the subway. Though that might make you more knowledgeable than Mamdani.
I’m aware there’s a possibility of being more than one person.
That doesn’t meant that i can’t identify some of your posts, including this one above. You consistently fail to respond or engage on substantive issues, and revert to tropes, corny phrasing and insults. You dismiss the thousands of grown adults who want to vote for Mamdani as part of his ‘fan club’? How diminishing and coded. Is your alter ego the openly bigoted poster above?
Mamdani appears as qualified and capable as any other younger politician who has leapt above other more experienced candidates because of charisma and good ideas. Obama being an obvious example. This is how our democratic system works. The people elect who they want.
As far as his campaign statements, I’ll take a politician who is working for the people, whether he fails at some of his ideas or not, over ‘experienced’ corrupt politicians like Adams and Cuomo who are beholden to special interests. Mamdani has stood up for his principles on some huge issues- Israel being one of them. I’ll take that any day.
NP: You are an idiot. Not worth saying more. Not sure why the other poster continues to engage with you. I don't 100% agree with them but you are choosing to ignore and insult everything they are saying. You seem to be looking for reasons to be angry. They are doing this too to some extent, but not as much as you.
NP: I’ve been following too and I think you’re not a NP because your style is very similar to the above posters. Nothing substantive just name calling and projection.
I'm the primary poster and this is not me. You need a hobby if you are spending your time dissecting the syntax of posters on a message board. I have also argued that they really should attach "names" to posters so it is easier to tell who is repeating themselves, because I agree that that happens too often here. But it was not me.
I'm out. And by the way, for all of my bashing of Mamdani, I am likely voting for him. And as I have said repeatedly, I wish him well. And I am tired of being accused of being a racist bigot because I oppose this person's preferred candidate. For the 20th time, I agree that there are people who dislike him for those reasons. And I think that is really horrible. I have tried to explain other reasons why many smart, thoughtful, kind, unbigoted people of a wide variety of backgrounds dislike him but I just get insulted in return. And to be fair, I have done my share of insulting - I am not perfect. But I have also acknowledged some of Mamdani's positives. This person just keeps coming at me with very personal, childish insults - I have said nothing that is equivalent to calling someone a racist bigot, which is as low as one can go.
Jesus, why would you vote for him? Take a look at what Marilyn Mosby’s refusal to arrest for prostitution and similar did to Baltimore. NYC’s in for a steep decline in QOL and sizable increase in crime.
What did it do for Baltimore? Stats please.
You of course fail to mention this was implemented during Covid. To keep jails less packed and the disease from spreading
Stats on Baltimore’s crime rate are widely available. This was not just a COVID policy. Murder rate increased by a third (100 murders) Mosby’s first year in office and remained elevated the entire time she was in office, decreasing by a third under her successor, Ivan Bates. Similar patterns for all major crimes.
I live in Baltimore and have been here for almost two decades.
Anonymous wrote:Crime stats are a joke. Nice that murders might be down but quality of life crimes are up. Bragg is not seeking meaningful sentencing so police is demoralized because they put their lives on the line then see the criminal back on the streets the same day despite a long rap sheet.
People should not serve life terms for their first shoplifting offense. But we need more sensible penalties, particularly for repeat offenders - each additional guilty offense should result in an increased sentence. Really not that complicated.
Well if they’re up, it’s been under a cop mayor. I personally think a fair amount of it is based on impression. Have you ever spoken with someone who actually grew up in NYC, in the 80s, as ex? They would laugh if you told them ‘quality of life in NYC has decreased’! I can still remember when Times Square was a disaster zone, so was much of Tribeca, and many borough neighborhoods that were practically uninhabitable are gorgeous now (Williamsburg is the most obvious example). People who cry ‘NYC is going downhill!!’ clearly don’t live in NYC or have a very limited frame of reference. Do I think there can be quality of life improvements? Absolutely.
Thank you for the scripted response - that is what everyone says. I'm not comparing it to then. I'm comparing it to 10-15 years ago. I have lived in NYC for 20+ years and grew up in the 80s nearby so I'm well aware of what you are referring to.
Fair point about Adams. He has not focused as much on this as he should have. He is also somewhat handcuffed (pardon my pun) by a DA who is not prosecuting crimes and laws largely created by the state that also make enforcement harder. So, to your point, one cannot solely credit or blame the mayor for this. But the mayor can use his/her bully pulpit to prioritize it more. Bloomberg tried to do this and admittedly went too far with how stop and frisk was executed. I remain convinced that stop and frisk in theory is a great idea, but it was poorly executed.
And again, I'm not asking for a Trump-led police state. I just want more of a focus on dealing with quality of life crimes in a more serious way. Having meaningful penalties, especially for repeat offenders. Come up with a plan for those who are really, really mentally off and need serious help. I cannot stand those who think that letting them suffer on the streets is protecting their rights. No, it is insulting them, while also putting others in danger.
Uh, do you not recall that we had a global pandemic just a few years ago that hit NYC hardest in the US, at least initially?
As far as homeless/mentally ill. I totally agree this is an issue that needs to be addressed.
But those issues you cite are not Mandan’s to own. If anything, he’s trying to figure out ways to address quality of life issues, and let cops spend more time on crime rather than mental health/drug issues which anyone with eyes can see are a huge part of any current dysfunction in the city. Will it work? Idk. But it’s refreshing to have someone who seems open to trying things, and who isn’t beholden to their own ego and special interests. Sliwa is a joke and Cuomo seems more concerned with kissing Israel’s ass (he said he’d defend Netanyahu) and satisfying his real estate and billionaire donors, all of whom claim there is no money to raise taxes yet easily donated millions to Cuomo.
I’m sad to see that many people who claim they don’t like mandani over these issues seem to be hiding their real objection- he’s Muslim.
Wow. Just wow. I didn't totally agree with you but I respected your perspective. Then you dropped the Muslim bit. Please. That is such a cop out. I'm Jewish. But I honestly care almost zero about the Israel stuff or anything else. Because that is largely beyond his jurisdisction as mayor and I don't think he is truly anti-Semitic. I think he could have been handling it better but that is not my issue.
When you use low class comments like that to basically try to put a stop to a conversation, you are not engaging in adult discourse. So I won't bother with the rest. Because it isn't worth discussing. Grow up.
Apparently I hit a nerve. So it’s ok for everyone to call Mamdani anti semitic- it’s been said over and over and over- but no one can say that they see anti Islamic sentiment? Got it. Rules for there but not for me.
Everyone? Really? Please stop generalizing. There are definitely some who did. And his refusal to condemn an anti-Semitic term somewhat justifies that. But many (if not most people) dislike him for reasons that have nothing to do with this. To prove my point, I will say that I am sure there are anti-Islamic people, which is very unfortunate. But there are not nearly as many as you are portraying. But you can continue obsessing over it and ignorantly generalizing.
My guess is it's a very small percentage. Most of his detractors likely oppose him because he's a democratic socialist, he wants to give everyone free stuff without any plan to pay for it, he's soft on crime, and he has very little experience (both governing and life experience.
Obama was inexperienced. M has plans to pay for things and his ideas are not nearly as ‘radical’ as people are claiming. Not one of them.
It’s Islamaphobia
I am a non-Muslim with several very close friends who are Muslim - they attended my wedding and I would give them the shirt off my back, and vice versa. I don't like Mamdani. He is like Trump in that he plays to people's most base instincts and people suspend logic and critical thinking skills in supporting him. Note that I would take Mamdani any day of the week over Trump - Trump is truly evil. I do not think Mamdani is at all evil. I just don't think he is qualified.
I know people in OMB, law department, etc. They understand what makes the city run. They are scared.
I have "simplistic know-it-all snarky jerk-ophobia." You seem to be one. I don't like you.
Interesting that you went for a personal attack. Like the other poster.
Many Muslim New Yorkers have had to deal- for years- with pretty much every NY politician bowing to Israel, visiting Israel etc. Yet we never went to ask them how they feel about having to vote for a pro Israel politician, etc. We didn’t spend a significant chunk of mayoral debates asking about the candidates views on Palestine and how they plan to support the Muslim community, and attacking them for even the slightest verbal misstep. Why did Mamdani take a few hours to post in celebration of the hostage release?? Why didn’t he disavow the words ‘globalize the intifada’ faster???
Have we ever given the many pro Israel politicians in NY grief for the many many times they have said things and taken actions (visiting Israel? Why??) that the Muslim/ pro Palestine community probably found hurtful?
It is an incredible double standard.
What people in ‘law department’ do you know? What roles? Why are the scared specifically? I know people who don’t like Mamdani - they are all Jewish NY’ers fwiw- but no one has said they’re ‘scared’. Not one.
You are whining about how Muslims are treated in NY yet are trafficking in rude, incorrect generalizations about Jews. Really?
There are a bunch of people posting here but I am one of the more frequent and again, I am a Jew for whom all of the drama about Mamdani's relationship with Jews is overplayed. That is low on my list of issues with him. But in your simplistic world of generalizations, all Jews are evil anti-Muslim people who are only focused on that.
Have you ever read the city's financials? Do you know the byzantine legal system to run this city? It is not for the faint of heart. It is sad that all of these people have fallen in love with him for making promises that he can't keep because either a) he is not empowered to make the changes, and/or b) even if he was, getting them through the system and getting them paid for (oh yeah, money doesn't grow on all of those tress in Brooklyn) is really hard - taxing the rich will not solve all problems. And I am not opposed to slightly increasing taxes on the rich, contrary to your belief that all of us Jews and/or upper middle class/rich people only care about money and refuse to pay our share. I want better social services. I want to help people. I want to improve education for all New Yorkers. I'm willing to help pay for it. But his ways of doing so, at least the very, very few he has enumerated, won't get it done.
Not sure why we are wasting our time here. You live in your little whiny bubble where you blame everything on the rich white folk, particularly the Jews. And I'm not going to change that. I'm so curious where in NYC you even live, but I'm not going to go there as it will just make this thread even worse. Congratulations. Your guy is going to win. As much as I don't like him, it could be worse. I pray for him to show wisdom and reason. I appreciate that he seems to be making an effort to reach out to others. I do not think he deserves the wrath that Trump is going to bring on him. See - everything is not binary.
Wow you get testy when you’re wrong. Your post is far too long and defensive and full of leaps of logic, misleading statements and personal attacks (apparently you assume that I’m anti semitic based on very little, I’m not white and that I’m not wealthy and also that I’m not Jewish) to respond to in full. You also apparently think I’m not allowed to call out my experience ... as ex, that many of my Jewish friends and acquaintance don’t like Mandani? Somehow that’s anti semitic for me to say? But yet no one can say they think there’s Islamophobia anywhere? Got it.
You are also repeating the same talking points from before. Broken record.
The city’s financials? Are you saying Mamdani isn’t smart enough? Really? And yes, I have some knowledge of NYC OMB. A family member was an analyst.
Please note that there are multiple people responding to you.
I never called you anti-semitic. I'm saying you make very broad, ignorant generalizations. Anti-semitic means you hate Jews. I will give you the benefit of the doubt on that. But you seem very defensive about it.
I'm not saying Mamdani is stupid. I am saying that he doesn't know what he is getting into and he doesn't know what he doesn't know. Running NYC, or any large organization, is extremely complicated. He has no experience in anything remotely this complicated, or having really worked in NYC government. So he just throws stuff out there. Again, I am rooting for him to succeed, because I am rooting for NYC. But hopefully some of the members of his fan club are keeping track of all of his promises and when he either fails to fulfill them or he does fulfill them and they create lots of problems, he will be held accountable.
Yeah. You have a family member who worked for OMB. That and $2.90 (soon to be $3) will get you on the subway. Though that might make you more knowledgeable than Mamdani.
I’m aware there’s a possibility of being more than one person.
That doesn’t meant that i can’t identify some of your posts, including this one above. You consistently fail to respond or engage on substantive issues, and revert to tropes, corny phrasing and insults. You dismiss the thousands of grown adults who want to vote for Mamdani as part of his ‘fan club’? How diminishing and coded. Is your alter ego the openly bigoted poster above?
Mamdani appears as qualified and capable as any other younger politician who has leapt above other more experienced candidates because of charisma and good ideas. Obama being an obvious example. This is how our democratic system works. The people elect who they want.
As far as his campaign statements, I’ll take a politician who is working for the people, whether he fails at some of his ideas or not, over ‘experienced’ corrupt politicians like Adams and Cuomo who are beholden to special interests. Mamdani has stood up for his principles on some huge issues- Israel being one of them. I’ll take that any day.
NP: You are an idiot. Not worth saying more. Not sure why the other poster continues to engage with you. I don't 100% agree with them but you are choosing to ignore and insult everything they are saying. You seem to be looking for reasons to be angry. They are doing this too to some extent, but not as much as you.
NP: I’ve been following too and I think you’re not a NP because your style is very similar to the above posters. Nothing substantive just name calling and projection.
I'm the primary poster and this is not me. You need a hobby if you are spending your time dissecting the syntax of posters on a message board. I have also argued that they really should attach "names" to posters so it is easier to tell who is repeating themselves, because I agree that that happens too often here. But it was not me.
I'm out. And by the way, for all of my bashing of Mamdani, I am likely voting for him. And as I have said repeatedly, I wish him well. And I am tired of being accused of being a racist bigot because I oppose this person's preferred candidate. For the 20th time, I agree that there are people who dislike him for those reasons. And I think that is really horrible. I have tried to explain other reasons why many smart, thoughtful, kind, unbigoted people of a wide variety of backgrounds dislike him but I just get insulted in return. And to be fair, I have done my share of insulting - I am not perfect. But I have also acknowledged some of Mamdani's positives. This person just keeps coming at me with very personal, childish insults - I have said nothing that is equivalent to calling someone a racist bigot, which is as low as one can go.
Where were you called a racist bigot? What personal childish insults? Please show me where.
I’ve seen people discussing POC in racist ways, I’ve seen people accusing Mandani supporters of being anti white and anti Jewish, I’ve seen Mandani supporters called ‘idiots’ (and also that he is ‘pro Hamas’ and a jihadist’ by our NY reps) but I personally don’t see where anyone called anyone a racist bigot. Please link
I don't have time to go back, but most recently "Is your alter ego the openly bigoted poster above?" I have been genuine and honest and made it very clear to distance myself from that nutjob. I have agreed that there are unfortunately people like that out there and it is not OK. Yet you aligned me with them. Plus I think you did it earlier.
Again, there are bad people out there who dislike Mamdani for bad reasons, and that is not OK. I 100% agree. I am not denying that they exist. But you repeatedly, over and over again, give the impression that you think that that is the only reason why one does not like Mamdani. I have given numerous other reasons. You might disagree with them, but they are reasonable, and they are far from bigoted. Can you please just admit that not all Mamdani opponents are racist bigots? Is that too hard?
I am trying really hard to find at least a little bit of common ground here but you refuse to reciprocate - you just keep arguing. Throw me a freaking bone.
It was a question. Did you answer it? Seems like that would have been the normal response, instead of crying and whining that people are labeling you.
What common ground have you tried to make with Mamdani supporters other than insulting them and saying they are naive and don't understand how complex the city is?
Here is just one of your various insults, below ... how exactly is that taking the high ground? Genuinely curious. Seems like it's rules for thee, but not for me.
Not sure why we are wasting our time here. You live in your little whiny bubble where you blame everything on the rich white folk, particularly the Jews
Still unable to say one kind, respectful, nice word - always have to be belligerent and combative (and trafficking in broad generalizations). Based on your posts that is a 100% accurate statement. Prove me wrong. I dare you.
I have said repeatedly that I respect and appreciate that Mamdani seems to be increasingly reaching out to others. I have said repeatedly that I am rooting for him to succeed. I have said repeatedly that I would take him over Trump any day (which is admittedly a very low bar). I have said repeatedly that those who are obsessing about his stance towards Jews are going overboard. I have said repeatedly that it is very sad that unfortunately there are bigots who don’t like him due to his race.
Once again, you are all about simplistic generalizations.
Huh? Arent you the one who posted this? And you're accusing others of 'simplistic generalizations'? Please explain this comment.
You live in your little whiny bubble where you blame everything on the rich white folk, particularly the Jews
Anonymous wrote:Crime stats are a joke. Nice that murders might be down but quality of life crimes are up. Bragg is not seeking meaningful sentencing so police is demoralized because they put their lives on the line then see the criminal back on the streets the same day despite a long rap sheet.
People should not serve life terms for their first shoplifting offense. But we need more sensible penalties, particularly for repeat offenders - each additional guilty offense should result in an increased sentence. Really not that complicated.
Well if they’re up, it’s been under a cop mayor. I personally think a fair amount of it is based on impression. Have you ever spoken with someone who actually grew up in NYC, in the 80s, as ex? They would laugh if you told them ‘quality of life in NYC has decreased’! I can still remember when Times Square was a disaster zone, so was much of Tribeca, and many borough neighborhoods that were practically uninhabitable are gorgeous now (Williamsburg is the most obvious example). People who cry ‘NYC is going downhill!!’ clearly don’t live in NYC or have a very limited frame of reference. Do I think there can be quality of life improvements? Absolutely.
Thank you for the scripted response - that is what everyone says. I'm not comparing it to then. I'm comparing it to 10-15 years ago. I have lived in NYC for 20+ years and grew up in the 80s nearby so I'm well aware of what you are referring to.
Fair point about Adams. He has not focused as much on this as he should have. He is also somewhat handcuffed (pardon my pun) by a DA who is not prosecuting crimes and laws largely created by the state that also make enforcement harder. So, to your point, one cannot solely credit or blame the mayor for this. But the mayor can use his/her bully pulpit to prioritize it more. Bloomberg tried to do this and admittedly went too far with how stop and frisk was executed. I remain convinced that stop and frisk in theory is a great idea, but it was poorly executed.
And again, I'm not asking for a Trump-led police state. I just want more of a focus on dealing with quality of life crimes in a more serious way. Having meaningful penalties, especially for repeat offenders. Come up with a plan for those who are really, really mentally off and need serious help. I cannot stand those who think that letting them suffer on the streets is protecting their rights. No, it is insulting them, while also putting others in danger.
Uh, do you not recall that we had a global pandemic just a few years ago that hit NYC hardest in the US, at least initially?
As far as homeless/mentally ill. I totally agree this is an issue that needs to be addressed.
But those issues you cite are not Mandan’s to own. If anything, he’s trying to figure out ways to address quality of life issues, and let cops spend more time on crime rather than mental health/drug issues which anyone with eyes can see are a huge part of any current dysfunction in the city. Will it work? Idk. But it’s refreshing to have someone who seems open to trying things, and who isn’t beholden to their own ego and special interests. Sliwa is a joke and Cuomo seems more concerned with kissing Israel’s ass (he said he’d defend Netanyahu) and satisfying his real estate and billionaire donors, all of whom claim there is no money to raise taxes yet easily donated millions to Cuomo.
I’m sad to see that many people who claim they don’t like mandani over these issues seem to be hiding their real objection- he’s Muslim.
Wow. Just wow. I didn't totally agree with you but I respected your perspective. Then you dropped the Muslim bit. Please. That is such a cop out. I'm Jewish. But I honestly care almost zero about the Israel stuff or anything else. Because that is largely beyond his jurisdisction as mayor and I don't think he is truly anti-Semitic. I think he could have been handling it better but that is not my issue.
When you use low class comments like that to basically try to put a stop to a conversation, you are not engaging in adult discourse. So I won't bother with the rest. Because it isn't worth discussing. Grow up.
Apparently I hit a nerve. So it’s ok for everyone to call Mamdani anti semitic- it’s been said over and over and over- but no one can say that they see anti Islamic sentiment? Got it. Rules for there but not for me.
Everyone? Really? Please stop generalizing. There are definitely some who did. And his refusal to condemn an anti-Semitic term somewhat justifies that. But many (if not most people) dislike him for reasons that have nothing to do with this. To prove my point, I will say that I am sure there are anti-Islamic people, which is very unfortunate. But there are not nearly as many as you are portraying. But you can continue obsessing over it and ignorantly generalizing.
My guess is it's a very small percentage. Most of his detractors likely oppose him because he's a democratic socialist, he wants to give everyone free stuff without any plan to pay for it, he's soft on crime, and he has very little experience (both governing and life experience.
Obama was inexperienced. M has plans to pay for things and his ideas are not nearly as ‘radical’ as people are claiming. Not one of them.
It’s Islamaphobia
I am a non-Muslim with several very close friends who are Muslim - they attended my wedding and I would give them the shirt off my back, and vice versa. I don't like Mamdani. He is like Trump in that he plays to people's most base instincts and people suspend logic and critical thinking skills in supporting him. Note that I would take Mamdani any day of the week over Trump - Trump is truly evil. I do not think Mamdani is at all evil. I just don't think he is qualified.
I know people in OMB, law department, etc. They understand what makes the city run. They are scared.
I have "simplistic know-it-all snarky jerk-ophobia." You seem to be one. I don't like you.
Interesting that you went for a personal attack. Like the other poster.
Many Muslim New Yorkers have had to deal- for years- with pretty much every NY politician bowing to Israel, visiting Israel etc. Yet we never went to ask them how they feel about having to vote for a pro Israel politician, etc. We didn’t spend a significant chunk of mayoral debates asking about the candidates views on Palestine and how they plan to support the Muslim community, and attacking them for even the slightest verbal misstep. Why did Mamdani take a few hours to post in celebration of the hostage release?? Why didn’t he disavow the words ‘globalize the intifada’ faster???
Have we ever given the many pro Israel politicians in NY grief for the many many times they have said things and taken actions (visiting Israel? Why??) that the Muslim/ pro Palestine community probably found hurtful?
It is an incredible double standard.
What people in ‘law department’ do you know? What roles? Why are the scared specifically? I know people who don’t like Mamdani - they are all Jewish NY’ers fwiw- but no one has said they’re ‘scared’. Not one.
You are whining about how Muslims are treated in NY yet are trafficking in rude, incorrect generalizations about Jews. Really?
There are a bunch of people posting here but I am one of the more frequent and again, I am a Jew for whom all of the drama about Mamdani's relationship with Jews is overplayed. That is low on my list of issues with him. But in your simplistic world of generalizations, all Jews are evil anti-Muslim people who are only focused on that.
Have you ever read the city's financials? Do you know the byzantine legal system to run this city? It is not for the faint of heart. It is sad that all of these people have fallen in love with him for making promises that he can't keep because either a) he is not empowered to make the changes, and/or b) even if he was, getting them through the system and getting them paid for (oh yeah, money doesn't grow on all of those tress in Brooklyn) is really hard - taxing the rich will not solve all problems. And I am not opposed to slightly increasing taxes on the rich, contrary to your belief that all of us Jews and/or upper middle class/rich people only care about money and refuse to pay our share. I want better social services. I want to help people. I want to improve education for all New Yorkers. I'm willing to help pay for it. But his ways of doing so, at least the very, very few he has enumerated, won't get it done.
Not sure why we are wasting our time here. You live in your little whiny bubble where you blame everything on the rich white folk, particularly the Jews. And I'm not going to change that. I'm so curious where in NYC you even live, but I'm not going to go there as it will just make this thread even worse. Congratulations. Your guy is going to win. As much as I don't like him, it could be worse. I pray for him to show wisdom and reason. I appreciate that he seems to be making an effort to reach out to others. I do not think he deserves the wrath that Trump is going to bring on him. See - everything is not binary.
Wow you get testy when you’re wrong. Your post is far too long and defensive and full of leaps of logic, misleading statements and personal attacks (apparently you assume that I’m anti semitic based on very little, I’m not white and that I’m not wealthy and also that I’m not Jewish) to respond to in full. You also apparently think I’m not allowed to call out my experience ... as ex, that many of my Jewish friends and acquaintance don’t like Mandani? Somehow that’s anti semitic for me to say? But yet no one can say they think there’s Islamophobia anywhere? Got it.
You are also repeating the same talking points from before. Broken record.
The city’s financials? Are you saying Mamdani isn’t smart enough? Really? And yes, I have some knowledge of NYC OMB. A family member was an analyst.
Please note that there are multiple people responding to you.
I never called you anti-semitic. I'm saying you make very broad, ignorant generalizations. Anti-semitic means you hate Jews. I will give you the benefit of the doubt on that. But you seem very defensive about it.
I'm not saying Mamdani is stupid. I am saying that he doesn't know what he is getting into and he doesn't know what he doesn't know. Running NYC, or any large organization, is extremely complicated. He has no experience in anything remotely this complicated, or having really worked in NYC government. So he just throws stuff out there. Again, I am rooting for him to succeed, because I am rooting for NYC. But hopefully some of the members of his fan club are keeping track of all of his promises and when he either fails to fulfill them or he does fulfill them and they create lots of problems, he will be held accountable.
Yeah. You have a family member who worked for OMB. That and $2.90 (soon to be $3) will get you on the subway. Though that might make you more knowledgeable than Mamdani.
I’m aware there’s a possibility of being more than one person.
That doesn’t meant that i can’t identify some of your posts, including this one above. You consistently fail to respond or engage on substantive issues, and revert to tropes, corny phrasing and insults. You dismiss the thousands of grown adults who want to vote for Mamdani as part of his ‘fan club’? How diminishing and coded. Is your alter ego the openly bigoted poster above?
Mamdani appears as qualified and capable as any other younger politician who has leapt above other more experienced candidates because of charisma and good ideas. Obama being an obvious example. This is how our democratic system works. The people elect who they want.
As far as his campaign statements, I’ll take a politician who is working for the people, whether he fails at some of his ideas or not, over ‘experienced’ corrupt politicians like Adams and Cuomo who are beholden to special interests. Mamdani has stood up for his principles on some huge issues- Israel being one of them. I’ll take that any day.
NP: You are an idiot. Not worth saying more. Not sure why the other poster continues to engage with you. I don't 100% agree with them but you are choosing to ignore and insult everything they are saying. You seem to be looking for reasons to be angry. They are doing this too to some extent, but not as much as you.
NP: I’ve been following too and I think you’re not a NP because your style is very similar to the above posters. Nothing substantive just name calling and projection.
I'm the primary poster and this is not me. You need a hobby if you are spending your time dissecting the syntax of posters on a message board. I have also argued that they really should attach "names" to posters so it is easier to tell who is repeating themselves, because I agree that that happens too often here. But it was not me.
I'm out. And by the way, for all of my bashing of Mamdani, I am likely voting for him. And as I have said repeatedly, I wish him well. And I am tired of being accused of being a racist bigot because I oppose this person's preferred candidate. For the 20th time, I agree that there are people who dislike him for those reasons. And I think that is really horrible. I have tried to explain other reasons why many smart, thoughtful, kind, unbigoted people of a wide variety of backgrounds dislike him but I just get insulted in return. And to be fair, I have done my share of insulting - I am not perfect. But I have also acknowledged some of Mamdani's positives. This person just keeps coming at me with very personal, childish insults - I have said nothing that is equivalent to calling someone a racist bigot, which is as low as one can go.
Jesus, why would you vote for him? Take a look at what Marilyn Mosby’s refusal to arrest for prostitution and similar did to Baltimore. NYC’s in for a steep decline in QOL and sizable increase in crime.
What did it do for Baltimore? Stats please.
You of course fail to mention this was implemented during Covid. To keep jails less packed and the disease from spreading
Stats on Baltimore’s crime rate are widely available. This was not just a COVID policy. Murder rate increased by a third (100 murders) Mosby’s first year in office and remained elevated the entire time she was in office, decreasing by a third under her successor, Ivan Bates. Similar patterns for all major crimes.
I live in Baltimore and have been here for almost two decades.
If you have lived in Baltimore for two decades, why are you hanging out on a NYC thread, and so interested in its mayoral race? Also, what does State Attorney Mosby's policy on prostitution arrests - and yes, the policy was begun during Covid, although it was extended- have to do with the murder rates? Are you saying that not arresting prostitutes caused the murder rate to go up? Is there anything proving this causation?
And what does any of this have to do with Mamdani? Some people on here seem desperate to try to paint Mamdani with any negative attribute that has nothing to do with him. I hate Trump, but if a rational and decent Republican ran for office, I wouldn't assume he/she was a carbon copy of Trump. Someone above is arguing about posters making 'sweeping generalizations' but yet there continue to be them when it comes to Mamdani. Odd.
Also, murder rates have dropped in Baltimore since a DEMOCRAT mayor took office. Do you know that his strategy involves a community engagement model? Does that sound familiar to you at all... ?
Anonymous wrote:The anti semitism in this thread is vile.
Blacks and Hispanics won’t be in G&T programs if the age of entry is raised unless the standards decrease. They’re there at the proportion they should be.
Omg. You are truly disgusting
Nope. They won’t be enrolling unless there’s a big drop off in standards. The black/hispanic-white/asian gap actually increases as they get older. G&T, if they maintain standards, will get whiter and more Asian.
Why don’t you explain to me why you think that is? Please. Go ahead.
Because they perform better in school and any quantitative metric, with that differential increasing overtime. The best shot for black and Hispanic enrollment in G&T is in kindergarten. I’m sure Mamdani will make them standard less so pregnant 10 year olds can waltz in and twerk for the class. [/quote]
What is wrong with you? Seriously
My son’s middle school class (he was 12) had over twenty pregnant girls and forty boys who had been arrested for violent crime. At least one of the girls had a kid at age 9. Ask them what is wrong with them.
If this is such a problem for you then perhaps you should move and enroll your child in a different middle school? Or stop exaggerating as I find that very hard to believe. Maybe we should be asking what is wrong with you?
Not PP. saying “just move” is personal advice. Again, you have zero solution to these issues in education. Raising the age for G&T entry won’t prevent preteen pregnancy and assaults. Rather than attack the messenger, find a solution. Oh yea, and rent control won’t solve it either.
What issues in education? That PP hasn’t shown us that those claims are remotely accurate
Do you really think there isn’t a school in NYC fitting that profile and description, whether PP is lying or not about his own kid? No outbreak of pregnancy and danger?
There are definitely schools with pregnancies and danger. But not to the extent that this person is stating. And their tone in describing it is not OK. And as I said above, if they don't like it, switch your kid to another school. Especially at the middle school level, it really isn't that hard.
And what tone is that? Should pregnant 9 year olds and violent 11 year olds be valorized and commended?
Go to East New York the next free Saturday evening you have. There are great restaurants and pleasant blocks to walk. I’m sure you’ll meet some of those kids and their 30 year olds grandmothers (who are now great-grandmothers).
You're probably a troll, trying to stir up trouble
I noticed that I'm now getting constantly spammed with anti Mamdani ads, claiming he will ruin public schools, 'strangle' charter schools, increase crime on subways, etc. If you click on these ads, they are run by "fix the city, inc.', a pro Cuomo group... guess who is on their board? Billionaire hedge fund manager (and insider trading criminal) Steven Cohen. Do you think he or his children ride the subway? Or attend charter or public schools?
Anonymous wrote:Crime stats are a joke. Nice that murders might be down but quality of life crimes are up. Bragg is not seeking meaningful sentencing so police is demoralized because they put their lives on the line then see the criminal back on the streets the same day despite a long rap sheet.
People should not serve life terms for their first shoplifting offense. But we need more sensible penalties, particularly for repeat offenders - each additional guilty offense should result in an increased sentence. Really not that complicated.
Well if they’re up, it’s been under a cop mayor. I personally think a fair amount of it is based on impression. Have you ever spoken with someone who actually grew up in NYC, in the 80s, as ex? They would laugh if you told them ‘quality of life in NYC has decreased’! I can still remember when Times Square was a disaster zone, so was much of Tribeca, and many borough neighborhoods that were practically uninhabitable are gorgeous now (Williamsburg is the most obvious example). People who cry ‘NYC is going downhill!!’ clearly don’t live in NYC or have a very limited frame of reference. Do I think there can be quality of life improvements? Absolutely.
Thank you for the scripted response - that is what everyone says. I'm not comparing it to then. I'm comparing it to 10-15 years ago. I have lived in NYC for 20+ years and grew up in the 80s nearby so I'm well aware of what you are referring to.
Fair point about Adams. He has not focused as much on this as he should have. He is also somewhat handcuffed (pardon my pun) by a DA who is not prosecuting crimes and laws largely created by the state that also make enforcement harder. So, to your point, one cannot solely credit or blame the mayor for this. But the mayor can use his/her bully pulpit to prioritize it more. Bloomberg tried to do this and admittedly went too far with how stop and frisk was executed. I remain convinced that stop and frisk in theory is a great idea, but it was poorly executed.
And again, I'm not asking for a Trump-led police state. I just want more of a focus on dealing with quality of life crimes in a more serious way. Having meaningful penalties, especially for repeat offenders. Come up with a plan for those who are really, really mentally off and need serious help. I cannot stand those who think that letting them suffer on the streets is protecting their rights. No, it is insulting them, while also putting others in danger.
Uh, do you not recall that we had a global pandemic just a few years ago that hit NYC hardest in the US, at least initially?
As far as homeless/mentally ill. I totally agree this is an issue that needs to be addressed.
But those issues you cite are not Mandan’s to own. If anything, he’s trying to figure out ways to address quality of life issues, and let cops spend more time on crime rather than mental health/drug issues which anyone with eyes can see are a huge part of any current dysfunction in the city. Will it work? Idk. But it’s refreshing to have someone who seems open to trying things, and who isn’t beholden to their own ego and special interests. Sliwa is a joke and Cuomo seems more concerned with kissing Israel’s ass (he said he’d defend Netanyahu) and satisfying his real estate and billionaire donors, all of whom claim there is no money to raise taxes yet easily donated millions to Cuomo.
I’m sad to see that many people who claim they don’t like mandani over these issues seem to be hiding their real objection- he’s Muslim.
Wow. Just wow. I didn't totally agree with you but I respected your perspective. Then you dropped the Muslim bit. Please. That is such a cop out. I'm Jewish. But I honestly care almost zero about the Israel stuff or anything else. Because that is largely beyond his jurisdisction as mayor and I don't think he is truly anti-Semitic. I think he could have been handling it better but that is not my issue.
When you use low class comments like that to basically try to put a stop to a conversation, you are not engaging in adult discourse. So I won't bother with the rest. Because it isn't worth discussing. Grow up.
Apparently I hit a nerve. So it’s ok for everyone to call Mamdani anti semitic- it’s been said over and over and over- but no one can say that they see anti Islamic sentiment? Got it. Rules for there but not for me.
Everyone? Really? Please stop generalizing. There are definitely some who did. And his refusal to condemn an anti-Semitic term somewhat justifies that. But many (if not most people) dislike him for reasons that have nothing to do with this. To prove my point, I will say that I am sure there are anti-Islamic people, which is very unfortunate. But there are not nearly as many as you are portraying. But you can continue obsessing over it and ignorantly generalizing.
My guess is it's a very small percentage. Most of his detractors likely oppose him because he's a democratic socialist, he wants to give everyone free stuff without any plan to pay for it, he's soft on crime, and he has very little experience (both governing and life experience.
Obama was inexperienced. M has plans to pay for things and his ideas are not nearly as ‘radical’ as people are claiming. Not one of them.
It’s Islamaphobia
I am a non-Muslim with several very close friends who are Muslim - they attended my wedding and I would give them the shirt off my back, and vice versa. I don't like Mamdani. He is like Trump in that he plays to people's most base instincts and people suspend logic and critical thinking skills in supporting him. Note that I would take Mamdani any day of the week over Trump - Trump is truly evil. I do not think Mamdani is at all evil. I just don't think he is qualified.
I know people in OMB, law department, etc. They understand what makes the city run. They are scared.
I have "simplistic know-it-all snarky jerk-ophobia." You seem to be one. I don't like you.
Interesting that you went for a personal attack. Like the other poster.
Many Muslim New Yorkers have had to deal- for years- with pretty much every NY politician bowing to Israel, visiting Israel etc. Yet we never went to ask them how they feel about having to vote for a pro Israel politician, etc. We didn’t spend a significant chunk of mayoral debates asking about the candidates views on Palestine and how they plan to support the Muslim community, and attacking them for even the slightest verbal misstep. Why did Mamdani take a few hours to post in celebration of the hostage release?? Why didn’t he disavow the words ‘globalize the intifada’ faster???
Have we ever given the many pro Israel politicians in NY grief for the many many times they have said things and taken actions (visiting Israel? Why??) that the Muslim/ pro Palestine community probably found hurtful?
It is an incredible double standard.
What people in ‘law department’ do you know? What roles? Why are the scared specifically? I know people who don’t like Mamdani - they are all Jewish NY’ers fwiw- but no one has said they’re ‘scared’. Not one.
You are whining about how Muslims are treated in NY yet are trafficking in rude, incorrect generalizations about Jews. Really?
There are a bunch of people posting here but I am one of the more frequent and again, I am a Jew for whom all of the drama about Mamdani's relationship with Jews is overplayed. That is low on my list of issues with him. But in your simplistic world of generalizations, all Jews are evil anti-Muslim people who are only focused on that.
Have you ever read the city's financials? Do you know the byzantine legal system to run this city? It is not for the faint of heart. It is sad that all of these people have fallen in love with him for making promises that he can't keep because either a) he is not empowered to make the changes, and/or b) even if he was, getting them through the system and getting them paid for (oh yeah, money doesn't grow on all of those tress in Brooklyn) is really hard - taxing the rich will not solve all problems. And I am not opposed to slightly increasing taxes on the rich, contrary to your belief that all of us Jews and/or upper middle class/rich people only care about money and refuse to pay our share. I want better social services. I want to help people. I want to improve education for all New Yorkers. I'm willing to help pay for it. But his ways of doing so, at least the very, very few he has enumerated, won't get it done.
Not sure why we are wasting our time here. You live in your little whiny bubble where you blame everything on the rich white folk, particularly the Jews. And I'm not going to change that. I'm so curious where in NYC you even live, but I'm not going to go there as it will just make this thread even worse. Congratulations. Your guy is going to win. As much as I don't like him, it could be worse. I pray for him to show wisdom and reason. I appreciate that he seems to be making an effort to reach out to others. I do not think he deserves the wrath that Trump is going to bring on him. See - everything is not binary.
Wow you get testy when you’re wrong. Your post is far too long and defensive and full of leaps of logic, misleading statements and personal attacks (apparently you assume that I’m anti semitic based on very little, I’m not white and that I’m not wealthy and also that I’m not Jewish) to respond to in full. You also apparently think I’m not allowed to call out my experience ... as ex, that many of my Jewish friends and acquaintance don’t like Mandani? Somehow that’s anti semitic for me to say? But yet no one can say they think there’s Islamophobia anywhere? Got it.
You are also repeating the same talking points from before. Broken record.
The city’s financials? Are you saying Mamdani isn’t smart enough? Really? And yes, I have some knowledge of NYC OMB. A family member was an analyst.
Please note that there are multiple people responding to you.
I never called you anti-semitic. I'm saying you make very broad, ignorant generalizations. Anti-semitic means you hate Jews. I will give you the benefit of the doubt on that. But you seem very defensive about it.
I'm not saying Mamdani is stupid. I am saying that he doesn't know what he is getting into and he doesn't know what he doesn't know. Running NYC, or any large organization, is extremely complicated. He has no experience in anything remotely this complicated, or having really worked in NYC government. So he just throws stuff out there. Again, I am rooting for him to succeed, because I am rooting for NYC. But hopefully some of the members of his fan club are keeping track of all of his promises and when he either fails to fulfill them or he does fulfill them and they create lots of problems, he will be held accountable.
Yeah. You have a family member who worked for OMB. That and $2.90 (soon to be $3) will get you on the subway. Though that might make you more knowledgeable than Mamdani.
I’m aware there’s a possibility of being more than one person.
That doesn’t meant that i can’t identify some of your posts, including this one above. You consistently fail to respond or engage on substantive issues, and revert to tropes, corny phrasing and insults. You dismiss the thousands of grown adults who want to vote for Mamdani as part of his ‘fan club’? How diminishing and coded. Is your alter ego the openly bigoted poster above?
Mamdani appears as qualified and capable as any other younger politician who has leapt above other more experienced candidates because of charisma and good ideas. Obama being an obvious example. This is how our democratic system works. The people elect who they want.
As far as his campaign statements, I’ll take a politician who is working for the people, whether he fails at some of his ideas or not, over ‘experienced’ corrupt politicians like Adams and Cuomo who are beholden to special interests. Mamdani has stood up for his principles on some huge issues- Israel being one of them. I’ll take that any day.
NP: You are an idiot. Not worth saying more. Not sure why the other poster continues to engage with you. I don't 100% agree with them but you are choosing to ignore and insult everything they are saying. You seem to be looking for reasons to be angry. They are doing this too to some extent, but not as much as you.
NP: I’ve been following too and I think you’re not a NP because your style is very similar to the above posters. Nothing substantive just name calling and projection.
I'm the primary poster and this is not me. You need a hobby if you are spending your time dissecting the syntax of posters on a message board. I have also argued that they really should attach "names" to posters so it is easier to tell who is repeating themselves, because I agree that that happens too often here. But it was not me.
I'm out. And by the way, for all of my bashing of Mamdani, I am likely voting for him. And as I have said repeatedly, I wish him well. And I am tired of being accused of being a racist bigot because I oppose this person's preferred candidate. For the 20th time, I agree that there are people who dislike him for those reasons. And I think that is really horrible. I have tried to explain other reasons why many smart, thoughtful, kind, unbigoted people of a wide variety of backgrounds dislike him but I just get insulted in return. And to be fair, I have done my share of insulting - I am not perfect. But I have also acknowledged some of Mamdani's positives. This person just keeps coming at me with very personal, childish insults - I have said nothing that is equivalent to calling someone a racist bigot, which is as low as one can go.
Where were you called a racist bigot? What personal childish insults? Please show me where.
I’ve seen people discussing POC in racist ways, I’ve seen people accusing Mandani supporters of being anti white and anti Jewish, I’ve seen Mandani supporters called ‘idiots’ (and also that he is ‘pro Hamas’ and a jihadist’ by our NY reps) but I personally don’t see where anyone called anyone a racist bigot. Please link
I don't have time to go back, but most recently "Is your alter ego the openly bigoted poster above?" I have been genuine and honest and made it very clear to distance myself from that nutjob. I have agreed that there are unfortunately people like that out there and it is not OK. Yet you aligned me with them. Plus I think you did it earlier.
Again, there are bad people out there who dislike Mamdani for bad reasons, and that is not OK. I 100% agree. I am not denying that they exist. But you repeatedly, over and over again, give the impression that you think that that is the only reason why one does not like Mamdani. I have given numerous other reasons. You might disagree with them, but they are reasonable, and they are far from bigoted. Can you please just admit that not all Mamdani opponents are racist bigots? Is that too hard?
I am trying really hard to find at least a little bit of common ground here but you refuse to reciprocate - you just keep arguing. Throw me a freaking bone.
It was a question. Did you answer it? Seems like that would have been the normal response, instead of crying and whining that people are labeling you.
What common ground have you tried to make with Mamdani supporters other than insulting them and saying they are naive and don't understand how complex the city is?
Here is just one of your various insults, below ... how exactly is that taking the high ground? Genuinely curious. Seems like it's rules for thee, but not for me.
Not sure why we are wasting our time here. You live in your little whiny bubble where you blame everything on the rich white folk, particularly the Jews
Still unable to say one kind, respectful, nice word - always have to be belligerent and combative (and trafficking in broad generalizations). Based on your posts that is a 100% accurate statement. Prove me wrong. I dare you.
I have said repeatedly that I respect and appreciate that Mamdani seems to be increasingly reaching out to others. I have said repeatedly that I am rooting for him to succeed. I have said repeatedly that I would take him over Trump any day (which is admittedly a very low bar). I have said repeatedly that those who are obsessing about his stance towards Jews are going overboard. I have said repeatedly that it is very sad that unfortunately there are bigots who don’t like him due to his race.
Once again, you are all about simplistic generalizations.
Huh? Arent you the one who posted this? And you're accusing others of 'simplistic generalizations'? Please explain this comment.
You live in your little whiny bubble where you blame everything on the rich white folk, particularly the Jews
Still can't say anything nice? I can be nasty occasionally because at least I balance it with thoughtful, balanced comments. You can only be nasty. Try being nice. It really is cleansing. Being angry all the time is very Trumpy. How about acknowledging my fine use of grammar and punctuation (learned in public school!)? Or celebrate the wonderful weather we had in NYC today? Or that the Giants are winning (don't want to jinx it!)
At least one prominent NYC rabbi recently gave a sermon saying that no Jew should support Mamdani. Full stop. And this is a pretty mainstream rabbi who doesn't do drama.
Not saying I agree or disagree. Just mentioning it. I think it is too late to move the needle so I guess they wanted to get it off their chest.
Anonymous wrote:At least one prominent NYC rabbi recently gave a sermon saying that no Jew should support Mamdani. Full stop. And this is a pretty mainstream rabbi who doesn't do drama.
Not saying I agree or disagree. Just mentioning it. I think it is too late to move the needle so I guess they wanted to get it off their chest.
Way too late to energize the substantial Jewish vote against Mamdani. They shouldn’t support Mamdani though. He’s an anti-Semite for wanting to jail Bibi for the crime of defending his country. If Gaza didn’t want to be occupied and bombed, then they shouldn’t have allowed Hamas to grow within its boundaries.
I'm a Jew and I have mixed feelings. Part of me thinks it isn't really his job to opine on this and he is having questions thrown at him by media so can't just ignore it. But he has just handled it so poorly and when one thinks it is going away, he just puts his foot in his mouth.
I don't like Bibi but the comment about him was just not OK. And I would say that if he said that about most any head of state, not just Bibi.
Anonymous wrote:I'm a Jew and I have mixed feelings. Part of me thinks it isn't really his job to opine on this and he is having questions thrown at him by media so can't just ignore it. But he has just handled it so poorly and when one thinks it is going away, he just puts his foot in his mouth.
I don't like Bibi but the comment about him was just not OK. And I would say that if he said that about most any head of state, not just Bibi.
What would not putting his foot in his mouth entail? Personally I find his honesty refreshing.
Anonymous wrote:I'm a Jew and I have mixed feelings. Part of me thinks it isn't really his job to opine on this and he is having questions thrown at him by media so can't just ignore it. But he has just handled it so poorly and when one thinks it is going away, he just puts his foot in his mouth.
I don't like Bibi but the comment about him was just not OK. And I would say that if he said that about most any head of state, not just Bibi.
What would not putting his foot in his mouth entail? Personally I find his honesty refreshing.
Anonymous wrote:At least one prominent NYC rabbi recently gave a sermon saying that no Jew should support Mamdani. Full stop. And this is a pretty mainstream rabbi who doesn't do drama.
Not saying I agree or disagree. Just mentioning it. I think it is too late to move the needle so I guess they wanted to get it off their chest.
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