Should financial aid in private school be stricter?

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Anonymous wrote:When donors contribute to financial aid campaigns they are showing trust in their chosen school community to make decisions that strengthen the whole community.

If OP's DC was not accepted into the school community of her choice, it's not because of how much aid they needed--it's because the school didn't see a value-add. If OP is already at a school and disagrees with how donations are used, then she should certainly use her feet to move to a school that aligns with her strong beliefs.

What OP is not allowed to do is enter a desired school community and harass others for their decisions that led to her desiring that community in the first place. We are talking about building and maintaining a community of voluntary members--attitudes and priorities may shift, but this is in no way a lesson in "effective altruism" nor should it be.

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Woe is me. The world so so unfair and everyone conspires to keep me down. Why can’t the someone else pays for everything I need. Why do I have to work so hard?!?!

Then just eliminate financial aid. I think it would be better. No give away to upper middle class families.

Since I can’t have it, nobody can.

It’s was sarchasm for the oligarch parent that was trolling another parent. But no. It’s very simple. Don’t give money to people that can pay for school. Very simple.

What are your criteria for who can pay? HHI, AGI, home equity, number of dependents, number of children enrolled, retirement balance, assets, or debt to income ratios? How do you know what these are for the ‘upper middle class’ families that you think are unfairly receiving aids?

This is why schools have a committee or office to determine who gets aid. No matter what they do or where they draw the line, people will complain. I'm more comfortable giving it to MC teachers to keep them longer. Some of them have been the best teachers we've had. One of our favorite teachers used this perk for her grandchildren and I thought it was a great way to reward ther tenure at the school. She was so helpful to my youngest, I think she changed my DD's life.

That’s fine for you, but would it be fine for the rest of the donors. Maybe or maybe not, because there is not full disclosure. This is not the school money, is the parents money by the way.

💯 absolutely!! It's the parent's money and they can designate how it's spent. At our school they can tick a box or fill in the blank. They can also write "I don't want teachers or MC people to receive any financial aid with this money", or, "I want all this money to upgrade the dining facilities", or, "I want this money to be spent to market in lower income communities", or, I want this money to be spent only on the girls basketball team". See how that works?

Maybe the donors should just donate to the facilities and their kids' sports - no financial aid at all. How would you find that? After all, they still get the same tax break.

That’s a good approach. In most schools financial aid is as opaque as the dark side of the moon.

Which school is that? I have 4 kids and we've been members of 4 communities through the years. I can allocate my donations at all those schools. I didn't realize there are schools that don't have that option for the donors. Which are these? I know most of the schools discussed on this forum have that as an option. You can also request to know the allocation of money. Also the report published every year. Some schools publish their annual report to the public, some don't.

For financial aid in us schools you donate to a fund and you CANNOT request that financial aid is allocate for low income families. This is decided arbitrarily by the school.

That is absolutely false. You can allocate at every school we've donated to. Clearly you have no experience with this.

Really? Can I say, please give my 1000 dollar donation to the Asian single mother than earns less than 150k. Obviously that does happen. Firs there is fundraising, and the school give away the money to well off families for random reasons.

You can absolutely do this. It would be a pain in the @ss for your school to administer this if it were a $1000 donation. Make it a $10K and watch your school rush to make it happen.

I don’t know what school you’re referring to that’s giving FA for random reasons. Our school uses an independent company to gather, validate, and assess the FA applications based on criteria the school established. Each application is assigned a grade. The clear No’s are removed and the committee review the Maybes and make their decision.

What your are saying for practical purposes does not work. I understand if you donate 10 million dollars. But for humble parents like I that can only donate 5k, that doesn’t work. Ok. Forget about it. Middle class families with financial aid can still go to Europe.

They should not be able to go to Europe if other parents are paying their tuition. I think that is the point. Private school is a luxury and not something you only pay what you can but still live a luxurious life. If you can t pay for private school then all extra income should go to the school. I would expect those on financial aid to go on my CV less expensive vacations.

Do you honestly believe that a family whose income + assets qualify them for financial aid are actually paying to go to Europe? You're mistaken. The numbers don't add up.

Their parents (students grandparents) pay for it. You never heard of parents giving their children gifts? The average home here is $1.5m+. Recipients of parent gifting are everywhere. Look to the left, look to the right, one of them or both are receiving gifts.

And one of them is supporting aging parents. Damn, I wish I were the other one.

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Anonymous wrote:When donors contribute to financial aid campaigns they are showing trust in their chosen school community to make decisions that strengthen the whole community.

If OP's DC was not accepted into the school community of her choice, it's not because of how much aid they needed--it's because the school didn't see a value-add. If OP is already at a school and disagrees with how donations are used, then she should certainly use her feet to move to a school that aligns with her strong beliefs.

What OP is not allowed to do is enter a desired school community and harass others for their decisions that led to her desiring that community in the first place. We are talking about building and maintaining a community of voluntary members--attitudes and priorities may shift, but this is in no way a lesson in "effective altruism" nor should it be.

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Woe is me. The world so so unfair and everyone conspires to keep me down. Why can’t the someone else pays for everything I need. Why do I have to work so hard?!?!

Then just eliminate financial aid. I think it would be better. No give away to upper middle class families.

Since I can’t have it, nobody can.

It’s was sarchasm for the oligarch parent that was trolling another parent. But no. It’s very simple. Don’t give money to people that can pay for school. Very simple.

What are your criteria for who can pay? HHI, AGI, home equity, number of dependents, number of children enrolled, retirement balance, assets, or debt to income ratios? How do you know what these are for the ‘upper middle class’ families that you think are unfairly receiving aids?

This is why schools have a committee or office to determine who gets aid. No matter what they do or where they draw the line, people will complain. I'm more comfortable giving it to MC teachers to keep them longer. Some of them have been the best teachers we've had. One of our favorite teachers used this perk for her grandchildren and I thought it was a great way to reward ther tenure at the school. She was so helpful to my youngest, I think she changed my DD's life.

That’s fine for you, but would it be fine for the rest of the donors. Maybe or maybe not, because there is not full disclosure. This is not the school money, is the parents money by the way.

💯 absolutely!! It's the parent's money and they can designate how it's spent. At our school they can tick a box or fill in the blank. They can also write "I don't want teachers or MC people to receive any financial aid with this money", or, "I want all this money to upgrade the dining facilities", or, "I want this money to be spent to market in lower income communities", or, I want this money to be spent only on the girls basketball team". See how that works?

Maybe the donors should just donate to the facilities and their kids' sports - no financial aid at all. How would you find that? After all, they still get the same tax break.

That’s a good approach. In most schools financial aid is as opaque as the dark side of the moon.

Which school is that? I have 4 kids and we've been members of 4 communities through the years. I can allocate my donations at all those schools. I didn't realize there are schools that don't have that option for the donors. Which are these? I know most of the schools discussed on this forum have that as an option. You can also request to know the allocation of money. Also the report published every year. Some schools publish their annual report to the public, some don't.

For financial aid in us schools you donate to a fund and you CANNOT request that financial aid is allocate for low income families. This is decided arbitrarily by the school.

That is absolutely false. You can allocate at every school we've donated to. Clearly you have no experience with this.

Really? Can I say, please give my 1000 dollar donation to the Asian single mother than earns less than 150k. Obviously that does happen. Firs there is fundraising, and the school give away the money to well off families for random reasons.

You can absolutely do this. It would be a pain in the @ss for your school to administer this if it were a $1000 donation. Make it a $10K and watch your school rush to make it happen.

I don’t know what school you’re referring to that’s giving FA for random reasons. Our school uses an independent company to gather, validate, and assess the FA applications based on criteria the school established. Each application is assigned a grade. The clear No’s are removed and the committee review the Maybes and make their decision.

What your are saying for practical purposes does not work. I understand if you donate 10 million dollars. But for humble parents like I that can only donate 5k, that doesn’t work. Ok. Forget about it. Middle class families with financial aid can still go to Europe.

They should not be able to go to Europe if other parents are paying their tuition. I think that is the point. Private school is a luxury and not something you only pay what you can but still live a luxurious life. If you can t pay for private school then all extra income should go to the school. I would expect those on financial aid to go on my CV less expensive vacations.

Do you honestly believe that a family whose income + assets qualify them for financial aid are actually paying to go to Europe? You're mistaken. The numbers don't add up.

Their parents (students grandparents) pay for it. You never heard of parents giving their children gifts? The average home here is $1.5m+. Recipients of parent gifting are everywhere. Look to the left, look to the right, one of them or both are receiving gifts.

I know a family with two kids in private who ski in Utah and travel to Europe each year. They receive aid of $5,000 per child.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually though all these school only gave need based aid, as opposed to athletic scholarships or merit scholarships. Kids may get in because of certain talents, but the aid is only need based. I could be wrong though.

Yes, you're wrong. Our school gives athletic scholarships. I don't think it's advertised. I know a girl on athletic scholarship and she lives in a $6M home. Her parents can pay, but the school really wants her. She is ranked nationally in her sport and we will all know her name within 10 years, probably 5.

How does it work if it's not advertised?

I've never actually asked and I'm friends with her mom. Good question, but honestly, I don't care enough to ask.

Coaches know elite athletes through the various travel sport clubs that they are involved with. In girls lacrosse as in many sports, coaches or their representatives will reach out to these families to gauge their interests. If the students are interested and apply, the coaches will advocate for those students to improve acceptances. Depending on how badly the coaches want the athletes, the school will determine the level of financial aid to offer.

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Anonymous wrote:Socialism for the rich, golden parachutes, tax payer bailouts, tax cuts for the rich, tariffs on groceries...thank a rich person today, for our wonderful corruption proof system

Woe is me. The world so so unfair and everyone conspires to keep me down. Why can’t the someone else pays for everything I need. Why do I have to work so hard?!?!

Then just eliminate financial aid. I think it would be better. No give away to upper middle class families.

Since I can’t have it, nobody can.

It’s was sarchasm for the oligarch parent that was trolling another parent. But no. It’s very simple. Don’t give money to people that can pay for school. Very simple.

What are your criteria for who can pay? HHI, AGI, home equity, number of dependents, number of children enrolled, retirement balance, assets, or debt to income ratios? How do you know what these are for the ‘upper middle class’ families that you think are unfairly receiving aids?

This is why schools have a committee or office to determine who gets aid. No matter what they do or where they draw the line, people will complain. I'm more comfortable giving it to MC teachers to keep them longer. Some of them have been the best teachers we've had. One of our favorite teachers used this perk for her grandchildren and I thought it was a great way to reward ther tenure at the school. She was so helpful to my youngest, I think she changed my DD's life.

That’s fine for you, but would it be fine for the rest of the donors. Maybe or maybe not, because there is not full disclosure. This is not the school money, is the parents money by the way.

💯 absolutely!! It's the parent's money and they can designate how it's spent. At our school they can tick a box or fill in the blank. They can also write "I don't want teachers or MC people to receive any financial aid with this money", or, "I want all this money to upgrade the dining facilities", or, "I want this money to be spent to market in lower income communities", or, I want this money to be spent only on the girls basketball team". See how that works?

Maybe the donors should just donate to the facilities and their kids' sports - no financial aid at all. How would you find that? After all, they still get the same tax break.

That’s a good approach. In most schools financial aid is as opaque as the dark side of the moon.

Which school is that? I have 4 kids and we've been members of 4 communities through the years. I can allocate my donations at all those schools. I didn't realize there are schools that don't have that option for the donors. Which are these? I know most of the schools discussed on this forum have that as an option. You can also request to know the allocation of money. Also the report published every year. Some schools publish their annual report to the public, some don't.

For financial aid in us schools you donate to a fund and you CANNOT request that financial aid is allocate for low income families. This is decided arbitrarily by the school.

That is absolutely false. You can allocate at every school we've donated to. Clearly you have no experience with this.

Really? Can I say, please give my 1000 dollar donation to the Asian single mother than earns less than 150k. Obviously that does happen. Firs there is fundraising, and the school give away the money to well off families for random reasons.

You can absolutely do this. It would be a pain in the @ss for your school to administer this if it were a $1000 donation. Make it a $10K and watch your school rush to make it happen.

I don’t know what school you’re referring to that’s giving FA for random reasons. Our school uses an independent company to gather, validate, and assess the FA applications based on criteria the school established. Each application is assigned a grade. The clear No’s are removed and the committee review the Maybes and make their decision.

What your are saying for practical purposes does not work. I understand if you donate 10 million dollars. But for humble parents like I that can only donate 5k, that doesn’t work. Ok. Forget about it. Middle class families with financial aid can still go to Europe.

They should not be able to go to Europe if other parents are paying their tuition. I think that is the point. Private school is a luxury and not something you only pay what you can but still live a luxurious life. If you can t pay for private school then all extra income should go to the school. I would expect those on financial aid to go on my CV less expensive vacations.

Do you honestly believe that a family whose income + assets qualify them for financial aid are actually paying to go to Europe? You're mistaken. The numbers don't add up.

Their parents (students grandparents) pay for it. You never heard of parents giving their children gifts? The average home here is $1.5m+. Recipients of parent gifting are everywhere. Look to the left, look to the right, one of them or both are receiving gifts.

I know a family with two kids in private who ski in Utah and travel to Europe each year. They receive aid of $5,000 per child.

How much is tuition for both? If it’s $110,000 plus other expenses and fees for both, $10,000 combined is less than 10%. Another way to look at the $10K FA is a discount on the 2nd tuition that many schools offer for siblings.

$100K after tax is equivalent to $150K pretax income. Assuming they have $250K HHI, 60% of their pretax income is going towards their children’s education. I don’t know enough about their debt, mortgage, or assets so I’m okay if they can manage their budget to afford these trips.

BTW, I travel for work weekly so I always use my frequent flyer and hotel points for vacations. How do you know they’re not doing this?

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Anonymous wrote:Socialism for the rich, golden parachutes, tax payer bailouts, tax cuts for the rich, tariffs on groceries...thank a rich person today, for our wonderful corruption proof system

Woe is me. The world so so unfair and everyone conspires to keep me down. Why can’t the someone else pays for everything I need. Why do I have to work so hard?!?!

Then just eliminate financial aid. I think it would be better. No give away to upper middle class families.

Since I can’t have it, nobody can.

It’s was sarchasm for the oligarch parent that was trolling another parent. But no. It’s very simple. Don’t give money to people that can pay for school. Very simple.

What are your criteria for who can pay? HHI, AGI, home equity, number of dependents, number of children enrolled, retirement balance, assets, or debt to income ratios? How do you know what these are for the ‘upper middle class’ families that you think are unfairly receiving aids?

This is why schools have a committee or office to determine who gets aid. No matter what they do or where they draw the line, people will complain. I'm more comfortable giving it to MC teachers to keep them longer. Some of them have been the best teachers we've had. One of our favorite teachers used this perk for her grandchildren and I thought it was a great way to reward ther tenure at the school. She was so helpful to my youngest, I think she changed my DD's life.

That’s fine for you, but would it be fine for the rest of the donors. Maybe or maybe not, because there is not full disclosure. This is not the school money, is the parents money by the way.

💯 absolutely!! It's the parent's money and they can designate how it's spent. At our school they can tick a box or fill in the blank. They can also write "I don't want teachers or MC people to receive any financial aid with this money", or, "I want all this money to upgrade the dining facilities", or, "I want this money to be spent to market in lower income communities", or, I want this money to be spent only on the girls basketball team". See how that works?

Maybe the donors should just donate to the facilities and their kids' sports - no financial aid at all. How would you find that? After all, they still get the same tax break.

That’s a good approach. In most schools financial aid is as opaque as the dark side of the moon.

Which school is that? I have 4 kids and we've been members of 4 communities through the years. I can allocate my donations at all those schools. I didn't realize there are schools that don't have that option for the donors. Which are these? I know most of the schools discussed on this forum have that as an option. You can also request to know the allocation of money. Also the report published every year. Some schools publish their annual report to the public, some don't.

For financial aid in us schools you donate to a fund and you CANNOT request that financial aid is allocate for low income families. This is decided arbitrarily by the school.

That is absolutely false. You can allocate at every school we've donated to. Clearly you have no experience with this.

Really? Can I say, please give my 1000 dollar donation to the Asian single mother than earns less than 150k. Obviously that does happen. Firs there is fundraising, and the school give away the money to well off families for random reasons.

You can absolutely do this. It would be a pain in the @ss for your school to administer this if it were a $1000 donation. Make it a $10K and watch your school rush to make it happen.

I don’t know what school you’re referring to that’s giving FA for random reasons. Our school uses an independent company to gather, validate, and assess the FA applications based on criteria the school established. Each application is assigned a grade. The clear No’s are removed and the committee review the Maybes and make their decision.

What your are saying for practical purposes does not work. I understand if you donate 10 million dollars. But for humble parents like I that can only donate 5k, that doesn’t work. Ok. Forget about it. Middle class families with financial aid can still go to Europe.

They should not be able to go to Europe if other parents are paying their tuition. I think that is the point. Private school is a luxury and not something you only pay what you can but still live a luxurious life. If you can t pay for private school then all extra income should go to the school. I would expect those on financial aid to go on my CV less expensive vacations.

Do you honestly believe that a family whose income + assets qualify them for financial aid are actually paying to go to Europe? You're mistaken. The numbers don't add up.

Their parents (students grandparents) pay for it. You never heard of parents giving their children gifts? The average home here is $1.5m+. Recipients of parent gifting are everywhere. Look to the left, look to the right, one of them or both are receiving gifts.

I know a family with two kids in private who ski in Utah and travel to Europe each year. They receive aid of $5,000 per child.

How much is tuition for both? If it’s $110,000 plus other expenses and fees for both, $10,000 combined is less than 10%. Another way to look at the $10K FA is a discount on the 2nd tuition that many schools offer for siblings.

$100K after tax is equivalent to $150K pretax income. Assuming they have $250K HHI, 60% of their pretax income is going towards their children’s education. I don’t know enough about their debt, mortgage, or assets so I’m okay if they can manage their budget to afford these trips.

BTW, I travel for work weekly so I always use my frequent flyer and hotel points for vacations. How do you know they’re not doing this?

you cant use miles and points for ski lift tix and instruction

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Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

Newsflash - they do!

Yes, hence you can achieve all your diversity goals without financial aid. Schools don’t really need to provide financial aid for diversity as you just confirmed.

You don’t recognize your bias in that statement? You assume the only criteria for diversity is skin color and that’s the only reason families of color receive aid. It’s not because the student is a great scholar, artist, musician, scientist, mathematician, or athlete?

Yes, kids of families that pay full tuition can be great scholars, artists, musician, scientist, mathematician, and athlete.

Why are we having this argument? Literally this affects a small number of people:

Sidwell: 75% are full pay, 25% receive financial aid
NCS: 77% are full pay, 23% receive financial aid
STA: 69% are full pay, 31% receive financial aid
HOLTON:76% are full pay, 24% receive financial aid
LANDON: 74% are full pay, 26% receive financial aid
POTOMAC: 79% are full pay, 21% receive financial aid
GDS: 76% are full pay, 24% receive financial aid

With the exception of St. Albans being a real outlier here, all the "name brand" schools in the area have less than a quarter of their total student body on financial aid. These are the schools with larger endowments compared to the rest and still they don't have boatloads of FA aid people.

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There is just a greedy little pig on the board that is upset they can't get more money from others so they squeal it s unfair. Truth is, I'd rather the teacher have it as a bonus, just like I get bonuses at work. Teaching is tough and I like to see the good teachers stay, even if their spouses have good jobs. My bonus isn't determined by my spouse's income either. So teacher's FA (or benefit or bonus - whatever you want to call it) shouldn't be determined by HHI.

Sorry, in my earlier years, as a bright eyed new college graduate, I did Teach for America before law school and worked in an urban school, which taught me a lot. Working in a cushy private school with well behaved students isn’t that bad a job.

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Anonymous wrote:Socialism for the rich, golden parachutes, tax payer bailouts, tax cuts for the rich, tariffs on groceries...thank a rich person today, for our wonderful corruption proof system

Woe is me. The world so so unfair and everyone conspires to keep me down. Why can’t the someone else pays for everything I need. Why do I have to work so hard?!?!

Then just eliminate financial aid. I think it would be better. No give away to upper middle class families.

Since I can’t have it, nobody can.

It’s was sarchasm for the oligarch parent that was trolling another parent. But no. It’s very simple. Don’t give money to people that can pay for school. Very simple.

What are your criteria for who can pay? HHI, AGI, home equity, number of dependents, number of children enrolled, retirement balance, assets, or debt to income ratios? How do you know what these are for the ‘upper middle class’ families that you think are unfairly receiving aids?

This is why schools have a committee or office to determine who gets aid. No matter what they do or where they draw the line, people will complain. I'm more comfortable giving it to MC teachers to keep them longer. Some of them have been the best teachers we've had. One of our favorite teachers used this perk for her grandchildren and I thought it was a great way to reward ther tenure at the school. She was so helpful to my youngest, I think she changed my DD's life.

That’s fine for you, but would it be fine for the rest of the donors. Maybe or maybe not, because there is not full disclosure. This is not the school money, is the parents money by the way.

💯 absolutely!! It's the parent's money and they can designate how it's spent. At our school they can tick a box or fill in the blank. They can also write "I don't want teachers or MC people to receive any financial aid with this money", or, "I want all this money to upgrade the dining facilities", or, "I want this money to be spent to market in lower income communities", or, I want this money to be spent only on the girls basketball team". See how that works?

Maybe the donors should just donate to the facilities and their kids' sports - no financial aid at all. How would you find that? After all, they still get the same tax break.

That’s a good approach. In most schools financial aid is as opaque as the dark side of the moon.

Which school is that? I have 4 kids and we've been members of 4 communities through the years. I can allocate my donations at all those schools. I didn't realize there are schools that don't have that option for the donors. Which are these? I know most of the schools discussed on this forum have that as an option. You can also request to know the allocation of money. Also the report published every year. Some schools publish their annual report to the public, some don't.

For financial aid in us schools you donate to a fund and you CANNOT request that financial aid is allocate for low income families. This is decided arbitrarily by the school.

That is absolutely false. You can allocate at every school we've donated to. Clearly you have no experience with this.

Really? Can I say, please give my 1000 dollar donation to the Asian single mother than earns less than 150k. Obviously that does happen. Firs there is fundraising, and the school give away the money to well off families for random reasons.

You can absolutely do this. It would be a pain in the @ss for your school to administer this if it were a $1000 donation. Make it a $10K and watch your school rush to make it happen.

I don’t know what school you’re referring to that’s giving FA for random reasons. Our school uses an independent company to gather, validate, and assess the FA applications based on criteria the school established. Each application is assigned a grade. The clear No’s are removed and the committee review the Maybes and make their decision.

What your are saying for practical purposes does not work. I understand if you donate 10 million dollars. But for humble parents like I that can only donate 5k, that doesn’t work. Ok. Forget about it. Middle class families with financial aid can still go to Europe.

They should not be able to go to Europe if other parents are paying their tuition. I think that is the point. Private school is a luxury and not something you only pay what you can but still live a luxurious life. If you can t pay for private school then all extra income should go to the school. I would expect those on financial aid to go on my CV less expensive vacations.

Do you honestly believe that a family whose income + assets qualify them for financial aid are actually paying to go to Europe? You're mistaken. The numbers don't add up.

Their parents (students grandparents) pay for it. You never heard of parents giving their children gifts? The average home here is $1.5m+. Recipients of parent gifting are everywhere. Look to the left, look to the right, one of them or both are receiving gifts.

I know a family with two kids in private who ski in Utah and travel to Europe each year. They receive aid of $5,000 per child.

How much is tuition for both? If it’s $110,000 plus other expenses and fees for both, $10,000 combined is less than 10%. Another way to look at the $10K FA is a discount on the 2nd tuition that many schools offer for siblings.

$100K after tax is equivalent to $150K pretax income. Assuming they have $250K HHI, 60% of their pretax income is going towards their children’s education. I don’t know enough about their debt, mortgage, or assets so I’m okay if they can manage their budget to afford these trips.

BTW, I travel for work weekly so I always use my frequent flyer and hotel points for vacations. How do you know they’re not doing this?

They may have points or saved to travel or whatever. Like what is it to you?

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Woe is me. The world so so unfair and everyone conspires to keep me down. Why can’t the someone else pays for everything I need. Why do I have to work so hard?!?!

Then just eliminate financial aid. I think it would be better. No give away to upper middle class families.

Since I can’t have it, nobody can.

It’s was sarchasm for the oligarch parent that was trolling another parent. But no. It’s very simple. Don’t give money to people that can pay for school. Very simple.

What are your criteria for who can pay? HHI, AGI, home equity, number of dependents, number of children enrolled, retirement balance, assets, or debt to income ratios? How do you know what these are for the ‘upper middle class’ families that you think are unfairly receiving aids?

This is why schools have a committee or office to determine who gets aid. No matter what they do or where they draw the line, people will complain. I'm more comfortable giving it to MC teachers to keep them longer. Some of them have been the best teachers we've had. One of our favorite teachers used this perk for her grandchildren and I thought it was a great way to reward ther tenure at the school. She was so helpful to my youngest, I think she changed my DD's life.

That’s fine for you, but would it be fine for the rest of the donors. Maybe or maybe not, because there is not full disclosure. This is not the school money, is the parents money by the way.

💯 absolutely!! It's the parent's money and they can designate how it's spent. At our school they can tick a box or fill in the blank. They can also write "I don't want teachers or MC people to receive any financial aid with this money", or, "I want all this money to upgrade the dining facilities", or, "I want this money to be spent to market in lower income communities", or, I want this money to be spent only on the girls basketball team". See how that works?

Maybe the donors should just donate to the facilities and their kids' sports - no financial aid at all. How would you find that? After all, they still get the same tax break.

That’s a good approach. In most schools financial aid is as opaque as the dark side of the moon.

Which school is that? I have 4 kids and we've been members of 4 communities through the years. I can allocate my donations at all those schools. I didn't realize there are schools that don't have that option for the donors. Which are these? I know most of the schools discussed on this forum have that as an option. You can also request to know the allocation of money. Also the report published every year. Some schools publish their annual report to the public, some don't.

For financial aid in us schools you donate to a fund and you CANNOT request that financial aid is allocate for low income families. This is decided arbitrarily by the school.

That is absolutely false. You can allocate at every school we've donated to. Clearly you have no experience with this.

Really? Can I say, please give my 1000 dollar donation to the Asian single mother than earns less than 150k. Obviously that does happen. Firs there is fundraising, and the school give away the money to well off families for random reasons.

You can absolutely do this. It would be a pain in the @ss for your school to administer this if it were a $1000 donation. Make it a $10K and watch your school rush to make it happen.

I don’t know what school you’re referring to that’s giving FA for random reasons. Our school uses an independent company to gather, validate, and assess the FA applications based on criteria the school established. Each application is assigned a grade. The clear No’s are removed and the committee review the Maybes and make their decision.

What your are saying for practical purposes does not work. I understand if you donate 10 million dollars. But for humble parents like I that can only donate 5k, that doesn’t work. Ok. Forget about it. Middle class families with financial aid can still go to Europe.

They should not be able to go to Europe if other parents are paying their tuition. I think that is the point. Private school is a luxury and not something you only pay what you can but still live a luxurious life. If you can t pay for private school then all extra income should go to the school. I would expect those on financial aid to go on my CV less expensive vacations.

Do you honestly believe that a family whose income + assets qualify them for financial aid are actually paying to go to Europe? You're mistaken. The numbers don't add up.

Their parents (students grandparents) pay for it. You never heard of parents giving their children gifts? The average home here is $1.5m+. Recipients of parent gifting are everywhere. Look to the left, look to the right, one of them or both are receiving gifts.

I know a family with two kids in private who ski in Utah and travel to Europe each year. They receive aid of $5,000 per child.

I also know a similar family that sail instead of ski. The grandparents fund the remaining tuition, vacations that include all extended family, and the kids' 529s. I want them to adopt me too. The family lives in a small 1 story bungalow, cute and tidy in the nice part of town. I guess their house is $1M. This arrangement, including that they are FA recipients, sits ok with me. The dad went to the school and had kids young. His family is wealthy, but he isn't (yet). The mom grew up poor in a southern state and is a sweet as can be. She's a SAHM. The kids are very kind and friendly, nothing exceptional about any of them.

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Woe is me. The world so so unfair and everyone conspires to keep me down. Why can’t the someone else pays for everything I need. Why do I have to work so hard?!?!

Then just eliminate financial aid. I think it would be better. No give away to upper middle class families.

Since I can’t have it, nobody can.

It’s was sarchasm for the oligarch parent that was trolling another parent. But no. It’s very simple. Don’t give money to people that can pay for school. Very simple.

What are your criteria for who can pay? HHI, AGI, home equity, number of dependents, number of children enrolled, retirement balance, assets, or debt to income ratios? How do you know what these are for the ‘upper middle class’ families that you think are unfairly receiving aids?

This is why schools have a committee or office to determine who gets aid. No matter what they do or where they draw the line, people will complain. I'm more comfortable giving it to MC teachers to keep them longer. Some of them have been the best teachers we've had. One of our favorite teachers used this perk for her grandchildren and I thought it was a great way to reward ther tenure at the school. She was so helpful to my youngest, I think she changed my DD's life.

That’s fine for you, but would it be fine for the rest of the donors. Maybe or maybe not, because there is not full disclosure. This is not the school money, is the parents money by the way.

💯 absolutely!! It's the parent's money and they can designate how it's spent. At our school they can tick a box or fill in the blank. They can also write "I don't want teachers or MC people to receive any financial aid with this money", or, "I want all this money to upgrade the dining facilities", or, "I want this money to be spent to market in lower income communities", or, I want this money to be spent only on the girls basketball team". See how that works?

Maybe the donors should just donate to the facilities and their kids' sports - no financial aid at all. How would you find that? After all, they still get the same tax break.

That’s a good approach. In most schools financial aid is as opaque as the dark side of the moon.

Which school is that? I have 4 kids and we've been members of 4 communities through the years. I can allocate my donations at all those schools. I didn't realize there are schools that don't have that option for the donors. Which are these? I know most of the schools discussed on this forum have that as an option. You can also request to know the allocation of money. Also the report published every year. Some schools publish their annual report to the public, some don't.

For financial aid in us schools you donate to a fund and you CANNOT request that financial aid is allocate for low income families. This is decided arbitrarily by the school.

That is absolutely false. You can allocate at every school we've donated to. Clearly you have no experience with this.

Really? Can I say, please give my 1000 dollar donation to the Asian single mother than earns less than 150k. Obviously that does happen. Firs there is fundraising, and the school give away the money to well off families for random reasons.

You can absolutely do this. It would be a pain in the @ss for your school to administer this if it were a $1000 donation. Make it a $10K and watch your school rush to make it happen.

I don’t know what school you’re referring to that’s giving FA for random reasons. Our school uses an independent company to gather, validate, and assess the FA applications based on criteria the school established. Each application is assigned a grade. The clear No’s are removed and the committee review the Maybes and make their decision.

What your are saying for practical purposes does not work. I understand if you donate 10 million dollars. But for humble parents like I that can only donate 5k, that doesn’t work. Ok. Forget about it. Middle class families with financial aid can still go to Europe.

They should not be able to go to Europe if other parents are paying their tuition. I think that is the point. Private school is a luxury and not something you only pay what you can but still live a luxurious life. If you can t pay for private school then all extra income should go to the school. I would expect those on financial aid to go on my CV less expensive vacations.

Do you honestly believe that a family whose income + assets qualify them for financial aid are actually paying to go to Europe? You're mistaken. The numbers don't add up.

Their parents (students grandparents) pay for it. You never heard of parents giving their children gifts? The average home here is $1.5m+. Recipients of parent gifting are everywhere. Look to the left, look to the right, one of them or both are receiving gifts.

I know a family with two kids in private who ski in Utah and travel to Europe each year. They receive aid of $5,000 per child.

I also know a similar family that sail instead of ski. The grandparents fund the remaining tuition, vacations that include all extended family, and the kids' 529s. I want them to adopt me too. The family lives in a small 1 story bungalow, cute and tidy in the nice part of town. I guess their house is $1M. This arrangement, including that they are FA recipients, sits ok with me. The dad went to the school and had kids young. His family is wealthy, but he isn't (yet). The mom grew up poor in a southern state and is a sweet as can be. She's a SAHM. The kids are very kind and friendly, nothing exceptional about any of them.

That’s a lie. They would have to explain why the mom is a SAHM and not working (just so her kids can get FA) so you’re okay with that arrangement, but the persons with the “wrong color” should not receive any aid? Like make it make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

Newsflash - they do!

Yes, hence you can achieve all your diversity goals without financial aid. Schools don’t really need to provide financial aid for diversity as you just confirmed.

You don’t recognize your bias in that statement? You assume the only criteria for diversity is skin color and that’s the only reason families of color receive aid. It’s not because the student is a great scholar, artist, musician, scientist, mathematician, or athlete?

Yes, kids of families that pay full tuition can be great scholars, artists, musician, scientist, mathematician, and athlete.

Why are we having this argument? Literally this affects a small number of people:

Sidwell: 75% are full pay, 25% receive financial aid
NCS: 77% are full pay, 23% receive financial aid
STA: 69% are full pay, 31% receive financial aid
HOLTON:76% are full pay, 24% receive financial aid
LANDON: 74% are full pay, 26% receive financial aid
POTOMAC: 79% are full pay, 21% receive financial aid
GDS: 76% are full pay, 24% receive financial aid

With the exception of St. Albans being a real outlier here, all the "name brand" schools in the area have less than a quarter of their total student body on financial aid. These are the schools with larger endowments compared to the rest and still they don't have boatloads of FA aid people.

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There is just a greedy little pig on the board that is upset they can't get more money from others so they squeal it s unfair. Truth is, I'd rather the teacher have it as a bonus, just like I get bonuses at work. Teaching is tough and I like to see the good teachers stay, even if their spouses have good jobs. My bonus isn't determined by my spouse's income either. So teacher's FA (or benefit or bonus - whatever you want to call it) shouldn't be determined by HHI.

Sorry, in my earlier years, as a bright eyed new college graduate, I did Teach for America before law school and worked in an urban school, which taught me a lot. Working in a cushy private school with well behaved students isn’t that bad a job.

Exactly! And I think it should come with benefits, like a break on tuition. Teaching doesn't pay that much, which is probably why you went to law school.

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Anonymous wrote:Socialism for the rich, golden parachutes, tax payer bailouts, tax cuts for the rich, tariffs on groceries...thank a rich person today, for our wonderful corruption proof system

Woe is me. The world so so unfair and everyone conspires to keep me down. Why can’t the someone else pays for everything I need. Why do I have to work so hard?!?!

Then just eliminate financial aid. I think it would be better. No give away to upper middle class families.

Since I can’t have it, nobody can.

It’s was sarchasm for the oligarch parent that was trolling another parent. But no. It’s very simple. Don’t give money to people that can pay for school. Very simple.

What are your criteria for who can pay? HHI, AGI, home equity, number of dependents, number of children enrolled, retirement balance, assets, or debt to income ratios? How do you know what these are for the ‘upper middle class’ families that you think are unfairly receiving aids?

This is why schools have a committee or office to determine who gets aid. No matter what they do or where they draw the line, people will complain. I'm more comfortable giving it to MC teachers to keep them longer. Some of them have been the best teachers we've had. One of our favorite teachers used this perk for her grandchildren and I thought it was a great way to reward ther tenure at the school. She was so helpful to my youngest, I think she changed my DD's life.

That’s fine for you, but would it be fine for the rest of the donors. Maybe or maybe not, because there is not full disclosure. This is not the school money, is the parents money by the way.

💯 absolutely!! It's the parent's money and they can designate how it's spent. At our school they can tick a box or fill in the blank. They can also write "I don't want teachers or MC people to receive any financial aid with this money", or, "I want all this money to upgrade the dining facilities", or, "I want this money to be spent to market in lower income communities", or, I want this money to be spent only on the girls basketball team". See how that works?

Maybe the donors should just donate to the facilities and their kids' sports - no financial aid at all. How would you find that? After all, they still get the same tax break.

That’s a good approach. In most schools financial aid is as opaque as the dark side of the moon.

Which school is that? I have 4 kids and we've been members of 4 communities through the years. I can allocate my donations at all those schools. I didn't realize there are schools that don't have that option for the donors. Which are these? I know most of the schools discussed on this forum have that as an option. You can also request to know the allocation of money. Also the report published every year. Some schools publish their annual report to the public, some don't.

For financial aid in us schools you donate to a fund and you CANNOT request that financial aid is allocate for low income families. This is decided arbitrarily by the school.

That is absolutely false. You can allocate at every school we've donated to. Clearly you have no experience with this.

Really? Can I say, please give my 1000 dollar donation to the Asian single mother than earns less than 150k. Obviously that does happen. Firs there is fundraising, and the school give away the money to well off families for random reasons.

You can absolutely do this. It would be a pain in the @ss for your school to administer this if it were a $1000 donation. Make it a $10K and watch your school rush to make it happen.

I don’t know what school you’re referring to that’s giving FA for random reasons. Our school uses an independent company to gather, validate, and assess the FA applications based on criteria the school established. Each application is assigned a grade. The clear No’s are removed and the committee review the Maybes and make their decision.

What your are saying for practical purposes does not work. I understand if you donate 10 million dollars. But for humble parents like I that can only donate 5k, that doesn’t work. Ok. Forget about it. Middle class families with financial aid can still go to Europe.

They should not be able to go to Europe if other parents are paying their tuition. I think that is the point. Private school is a luxury and not something you only pay what you can but still live a luxurious life. If you can t pay for private school then all extra income should go to the school. I would expect those on financial aid to go on my CV less expensive vacations.

Do you honestly believe that a family whose income + assets qualify them for financial aid are actually paying to go to Europe? You're mistaken. The numbers don't add up.

Their parents (students grandparents) pay for it. You never heard of parents giving their children gifts? The average home here is $1.5m+. Recipients of parent gifting are everywhere. Look to the left, look to the right, one of them or both are receiving gifts.

I know a family with two kids in private who ski in Utah and travel to Europe each year. They receive aid of $5,000 per child.

I also know a similar family that sail instead of ski. The grandparents fund the remaining tuition, vacations that include all extended family, and the kids' 529s. I want them to adopt me too. The family lives in a small 1 story bungalow, cute and tidy in the nice part of town. I guess their house is $1M. This arrangement, including that they are FA recipients, sits ok with me. The dad went to the school and had kids young. His family is wealthy, but he isn't (yet). The mom grew up poor in a southern state and is a sweet as can be. She's a SAHM. The kids are very kind and friendly, nothing exceptional about any of them.

That’s a lie. They would have to explain why the mom is a SAHM and not working (just so her kids can get FA) so you’re okay with that arrangement, but the persons with the “wrong color” should not receive any aid? Like make it make sense.

It doesn't have to make sense to you. Truth is you're probably not capable of understanding the truth anyway.

I never said what color they were.

The SAHM is with a SN kid that has lots of appointments.

Does that pass your harsh ignorant judgement test? Thank God you're not part of the admin. Your lack of understanding and empathy is truly next-level.

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Woe is me. The world so so unfair and everyone conspires to keep me down. Why can’t the someone else pays for everything I need. Why do I have to work so hard?!?!

Then just eliminate financial aid. I think it would be better. No give away to upper middle class families.

Since I can’t have it, nobody can.

It’s was sarchasm for the oligarch parent that was trolling another parent. But no. It’s very simple. Don’t give money to people that can pay for school. Very simple.

What are your criteria for who can pay? HHI, AGI, home equity, number of dependents, number of children enrolled, retirement balance, assets, or debt to income ratios? How do you know what these are for the ‘upper middle class’ families that you think are unfairly receiving aids?

This is why schools have a committee or office to determine who gets aid. No matter what they do or where they draw the line, people will complain. I'm more comfortable giving it to MC teachers to keep them longer. Some of them have been the best teachers we've had. One of our favorite teachers used this perk for her grandchildren and I thought it was a great way to reward ther tenure at the school. She was so helpful to my youngest, I think she changed my DD's life.

That’s fine for you, but would it be fine for the rest of the donors. Maybe or maybe not, because there is not full disclosure. This is not the school money, is the parents money by the way.

💯 absolutely!! It's the parent's money and they can designate how it's spent. At our school they can tick a box or fill in the blank. They can also write "I don't want teachers or MC people to receive any financial aid with this money", or, "I want all this money to upgrade the dining facilities", or, "I want this money to be spent to market in lower income communities", or, I want this money to be spent only on the girls basketball team". See how that works?

Maybe the donors should just donate to the facilities and their kids' sports - no financial aid at all. How would you find that? After all, they still get the same tax break.

That’s a good approach. In most schools financial aid is as opaque as the dark side of the moon.

Which school is that? I have 4 kids and we've been members of 4 communities through the years. I can allocate my donations at all those schools. I didn't realize there are schools that don't have that option for the donors. Which are these? I know most of the schools discussed on this forum have that as an option. You can also request to know the allocation of money. Also the report published every year. Some schools publish their annual report to the public, some don't.

For financial aid in us schools you donate to a fund and you CANNOT request that financial aid is allocate for low income families. This is decided arbitrarily by the school.

That is absolutely false. You can allocate at every school we've donated to. Clearly you have no experience with this.

Really? Can I say, please give my 1000 dollar donation to the Asian single mother than earns less than 150k. Obviously that does happen. Firs there is fundraising, and the school give away the money to well off families for random reasons.

You can absolutely do this. It would be a pain in the @ss for your school to administer this if it were a $1000 donation. Make it a $10K and watch your school rush to make it happen.

I don’t know what school you’re referring to that’s giving FA for random reasons. Our school uses an independent company to gather, validate, and assess the FA applications based on criteria the school established. Each application is assigned a grade. The clear No’s are removed and the committee review the Maybes and make their decision.

What your are saying for practical purposes does not work. I understand if you donate 10 million dollars. But for humble parents like I that can only donate 5k, that doesn’t work. Ok. Forget about it. Middle class families with financial aid can still go to Europe.

They should not be able to go to Europe if other parents are paying their tuition. I think that is the point. Private school is a luxury and not something you only pay what you can but still live a luxurious life. If you can t pay for private school then all extra income should go to the school. I would expect those on financial aid to go on my CV less expensive vacations.

Do you honestly believe that a family whose income + assets qualify them for financial aid are actually paying to go to Europe? You're mistaken. The numbers don't add up.

Their parents (students grandparents) pay for it. You never heard of parents giving their children gifts? The average home here is $1.5m+. Recipients of parent gifting are everywhere. Look to the left, look to the right, one of them or both are receiving gifts.

I know a family with two kids in private who ski in Utah and travel to Europe each year. They receive aid of $5,000 per child.

I also know a similar family that sail instead of ski. The grandparents fund the remaining tuition, vacations that include all extended family, and the kids' 529s. I want them to adopt me too. The family lives in a small 1 story bungalow, cute and tidy in the nice part of town. I guess their house is $1M. This arrangement, including that they are FA recipients, sits ok with me. The dad went to the school and had kids young. His family is wealthy, but he isn't (yet). The mom grew up poor in a southern state and is a sweet as can be. She's a SAHM. The kids are very kind and friendly, nothing exceptional about any of them.

That’s a lie. They would have to explain why the mom is a SAHM and not working (just so her kids can get FA) so you’re okay with that arrangement, but the persons with the “wrong color” should not receive any aid? Like make it make sense.

It doesn't have to make sense to you. Truth is you're probably not capable of understanding the truth anyway.

I never said what color they were.

The SAHM is with a SN kid that has lots of appointments.

Does that pass your harsh ignorant judgement test? Thank God you're not part of the admin. Your lack of understanding and empathy is truly next-level.

Amen, this is what I said 20 pages back. Thank God this person isn't in a decision making position. 49 pages of multiple explanations from multiple angles and this person continues to dig their heels in.

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Woe is me. The world so so unfair and everyone conspires to keep me down. Why can’t the someone else pays for everything I need. Why do I have to work so hard?!?!

Then just eliminate financial aid. I think it would be better. No give away to upper middle class families.

Since I can’t have it, nobody can.

It’s was sarchasm for the oligarch parent that was trolling another parent. But no. It’s very simple. Don’t give money to people that can pay for school. Very simple.

What are your criteria for who can pay? HHI, AGI, home equity, number of dependents, number of children enrolled, retirement balance, assets, or debt to income ratios? How do you know what these are for the ‘upper middle class’ families that you think are unfairly receiving aids?

This is why schools have a committee or office to determine who gets aid. No matter what they do or where they draw the line, people will complain. I'm more comfortable giving it to MC teachers to keep them longer. Some of them have been the best teachers we've had. One of our favorite teachers used this perk for her grandchildren and I thought it was a great way to reward ther tenure at the school. She was so helpful to my youngest, I think she changed my DD's life.

That’s fine for you, but would it be fine for the rest of the donors. Maybe or maybe not, because there is not full disclosure. This is not the school money, is the parents money by the way.

💯 absolutely!! It's the parent's money and they can designate how it's spent. At our school they can tick a box or fill in the blank. They can also write "I don't want teachers or MC people to receive any financial aid with this money", or, "I want all this money to upgrade the dining facilities", or, "I want this money to be spent to market in lower income communities", or, I want this money to be spent only on the girls basketball team". See how that works?

Maybe the donors should just donate to the facilities and their kids' sports - no financial aid at all. How would you find that? After all, they still get the same tax break.

That’s a good approach. In most schools financial aid is as opaque as the dark side of the moon.

Which school is that? I have 4 kids and we've been members of 4 communities through the years. I can allocate my donations at all those schools. I didn't realize there are schools that don't have that option for the donors. Which are these? I know most of the schools discussed on this forum have that as an option. You can also request to know the allocation of money. Also the report published every year. Some schools publish their annual report to the public, some don't.

For financial aid in us schools you donate to a fund and you CANNOT request that financial aid is allocate for low income families. This is decided arbitrarily by the school.

That is absolutely false. You can allocate at every school we've donated to. Clearly you have no experience with this.

Really? Can I say, please give my 1000 dollar donation to the Asian single mother than earns less than 150k. Obviously that does happen. Firs there is fundraising, and the school give away the money to well off families for random reasons.

You can absolutely do this. It would be a pain in the @ss for your school to administer this if it were a $1000 donation. Make it a $10K and watch your school rush to make it happen.

I don’t know what school you’re referring to that’s giving FA for random reasons. Our school uses an independent company to gather, validate, and assess the FA applications based on criteria the school established. Each application is assigned a grade. The clear No’s are removed and the committee review the Maybes and make their decision.

What your are saying for practical purposes does not work. I understand if you donate 10 million dollars. But for humble parents like I that can only donate 5k, that doesn’t work. Ok. Forget about it. Middle class families with financial aid can still go to Europe.

They should not be able to go to Europe if other parents are paying their tuition. I think that is the point. Private school is a luxury and not something you only pay what you can but still live a luxurious life. If you can t pay for private school then all extra income should go to the school. I would expect those on financial aid to go on my CV less expensive vacations.

Do you honestly believe that a family whose income + assets qualify them for financial aid are actually paying to go to Europe? You're mistaken. The numbers don't add up.

Their parents (students grandparents) pay for it. You never heard of parents giving their children gifts? The average home here is $1.5m+. Recipients of parent gifting are everywhere. Look to the left, look to the right, one of them or both are receiving gifts.

I know a family with two kids in private who ski in Utah and travel to Europe each year. They receive aid of $5,000 per child.

I also know a similar family that sail instead of ski. The grandparents fund the remaining tuition, vacations that include all extended family, and the kids' 529s. I want them to adopt me too. The family lives in a small 1 story bungalow, cute and tidy in the nice part of town. I guess their house is $1M. This arrangement, including that they are FA recipients, sits ok with me. The dad went to the school and had kids young. His family is wealthy, but he isn't (yet). The mom grew up poor in a southern state and is a sweet as can be. She's a SAHM. The kids are very kind and friendly, nothing exceptional about any of them.

That’s a lie. They would have to explain why the mom is a SAHM and not working (just so her kids can get FA) so you’re okay with that arrangement, but the persons with the “wrong color” should not receive any aid? Like make it make sense.

It doesn't have to make sense to you. Truth is you're probably not capable of understanding the truth anyway.

I never said what color they were.

The SAHM is with a SN kid that has lots of appointments.

Does that pass your harsh ignorant judgement test? Thank God you're not part of the admin. Your lack of understanding and empathy is truly next-level.

Amen, this is what I said 20 pages back. Thank God this person isn't in a decision making position. 49 pages of multiple explanations from multiple angles and this person continues to dig their heels in.

I would think the same if I were receiving financial aid. I also love free money.

But it’s not the case. I donate money and it’s reasonable to ask for accountability. Not sure what’s so controversial.