NYT and WaPo report Biden is close to stepping down

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone saying NeverBiden?
No one is willing to say that.
NeverTrump was making a point that you would not get their votes, so calculate accordingly.
Problem was their numbers were too small and Trump supporters were too high.
Full Biden supporters are small in number.
No one will be mad if Biden is replaced at the convention. In 2016, Roger Stone was threatening violence.
Will there be any numbers declaring NeverBiden that would force people to say we must have a new candidate.

Right now it is Biden down just five in polls, and all the people calling on him to drop out they know will vote for Biden.

That’s why this power struggle is happening - whomever gets the nomination is getting the anti-Trump “will crawl a mile over glass to vote against that Orange f#ck” votes. It is actually a pretty easy race at the end of the day because Trump has a “very unfavorable” rating pushing 50%. In other words, he’s already hit his ceiling for support and the inevitable Dem candidate has more avenues to build a coalition of even soft supporters (assuming people show up to vote….which I think they will).

Removing Biden is far too risky for some reasons - legally, reputation of the party, respect for the ballot, etc.

I'm not really even sure what it is that is "happening" - I had a message about Joe stepping down show up in my Facebook feed tonight, sponsored by "Pass The Torch, Joe" - whoever that is. Thing is, there were hundreds and hundreds of comments on it saying "stay the course, Joe" and "ridin with biden" and "I'm with Joe" and "Biden / Harris 2024" and I only saw ONE saying "Biden needs to step down." It really has me thinking there isn't actually all that much popular support and is instead being promoted and orchestrated by a handful of wealthy elites / big donors / lobbyists. Whoever it is hasn't done a good job of testing the waters or gathering data.

I think the point you’re missing is that while Biden has a ton of supporters, it won’t be enough. Margins in presidential races are incredibly thin and Biden is not going to be able to energize the youth and independents. Yes, the die-hards will vote for him, but it won’t be enough.

It sure would be nice to have a presidential election that is a good old fashioned landslide rather than poll-driven incredibly thin margins. Then the next president might actually be able to accomplish something meaningful. Fire the pollsters, tell the truth, make a connection with voters and trust them to make a wise choice.

A landslide victory would require a moderate candidate. Unfortunately, we don’t have that on either side. I’m a lifelong democrat and the liberals have gone too far to the left even for me. I increasingly don’t feel particularly represented by the party but still begrudgingly vote for them b/c the other party’s worse. It’s pretty bad when you’re voting against DJT instead of for JB. There’s a huge difference.

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[Anonymous]

Is it ironic that Biden’s own party is trying to cancel him?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it ironic that Biden’s own party is trying to cancel him?

Yes. This is what is so flabbergasting to so many rank & file Dems who are not part of the DC-LA-NYC bubble. Don’t tell swing state voters you’re “saving democracy” and then try to force out the sitting President despite him having the primary votes and delegates. It’s offensive that the DC-LA-NYC Bubble Dems believe voters are so stupid to accept this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone saying NeverBiden?
No one is willing to say that.
NeverTrump was making a point that you would not get their votes, so calculate accordingly.
Problem was their numbers were too small and Trump supporters were too high.
Full Biden supporters are small in number.
No one will be mad if Biden is replaced at the convention. In 2016, Roger Stone was threatening violence.
Will there be any numbers declaring NeverBiden that would force people to say we must have a new candidate.

Right now it is Biden down just five in polls, and all the people calling on him to drop out they know will vote for Biden.

That’s why this power struggle is happening - whomever gets the nomination is getting the anti-Trump “will crawl a mile over glass to vote against that Orange f#ck” votes. It is actually a pretty easy race at the end of the day because Trump has a “very unfavorable” rating pushing 50%. In other words, he’s already hit his ceiling for support and the inevitable Dem candidate has more avenues to build a coalition of even soft supporters (assuming people show up to vote….which I think they will).

Removing Biden is far too risky for some reasons - legally, reputation of the party, respect for the ballot, etc.

I'm not really even sure what it is that is "happening" - I had a message about Joe stepping down show up in my Facebook feed tonight, sponsored by "Pass The Torch, Joe" - whoever that is. Thing is, there were hundreds and hundreds of comments on it saying "stay the course, Joe" and "ridin with biden" and "I'm with Joe" and "Biden / Harris 2024" and I only saw ONE saying "Biden needs to step down." It really has me thinking there isn't actually all that much popular support and is instead being promoted and orchestrated by a handful of wealthy elites / big donors / lobbyists. Whoever it is hasn't done a good job of testing the waters or gathering data.

The AP poll said that 60% want Biden to step down. Those are real numbers, not trolls, since the trolls all want him to stay on and lose to Trump. This isn't an elite organized coup. It is everyone coming to the realization that Biden cannot be the candidate. He has declined. He cannot do it.

You can get 60% of people to agree to anything in a poll if you word it correctly. And I guarantee that poll question did not raise any of the very real legal issues associated with trying to get Biden to step down. 90% of the population has no inkling what “replace Joe Biden” actually means.

Here’s one way to ask it:

“Would you support the Democrats replacing Joe Biden with a younger candidate, but at the risk that the new candidate might not appear on all state ballots or get mired in lawsuits?”

“Would you support replacing Joe Biden even if it meant there’s no clear replacement who can beat Donald Trump?”

The question is useless because it doesn’t get at the consequences of what “replace Joe Biden” entails (both positive and negative)

Very well stated

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:AOC says that the political class (pundits, donors) turned on Biden because of the debate and if they had concerns about age, they should've stated it last year instead of supporting him
She's concerned about legal challenges if Biden is swapped out
states Democrats should not leak their displeasure to journalists, they should "say it with their chest" and go public if they have an opinion
The donors and elites that want Biden to step down, don't want Kamala either. They want a new ticket. Kamala supporters should not get their hopes up!
They have no plan on how to replace Biden and can't answer her questions
Biden does well with old people and unions, and thrives with crowds, struggled due to no audience in the debate
states she's poll skeptic, she has outperformed the polls before, her own private polling had her double digits down from what the result ended up being in the primary this year
says that the Dem members of Congress who want Biden to drop out only voice concern about their donors, not their voters


[youtube] https://youtu.be/mlzNvNFqtBE[/youtube]

The part about the legal challenges is especially worrisome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AOC says that the political class (pundits, donors) turned on Biden because of the debate and if they had concerns about age, they should've stated it last year instead of supporting him
She's concerned about legal challenges if Biden is swapped out
states Democrats should not leak their displeasure to journalists, they should "say it with their chest" and go public if they have an opinion
The donors and elites that want Biden to step down, don't want Kamala either. They want a new ticket. Kamala supporters should not get their hopes up!
They have no plan on how to replace Biden and can't answer her questions
Biden does well with old people and unions, and thrives with crowds, struggled due to no audience in the debate
states she's poll skeptic, she has outperformed the polls before, her own private polling had her double digits down from what the result ended up being in the primary this year
says that the Dem members of Congress who want Biden to drop out only voice concern about their donors, not their voters


[youtube] https://youtu.be/mlzNvNFqtBE[/youtube]

The part about the legal challenges is especially worrisome.

And the DNC lawyers had no answers for her as to the legal risk! Insane to even publicly discuss replacing the candidate before identifying the risks and benefits of such a strategy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is it ironic that Biden’s own party is trying to cancel him?

Yes. This is what is so flabbergasting to so many rank & file Dems who are not part of the DC-LA-NYC bubble. Don’t tell swing state voters you’re “saving democracy” and then try to force out the sitting President despite him having the primary votes and delegates. It’s offensive that the DC-LA-NYC Bubble Dems believe voters are so stupid to accept this.

This is such a dumb argument. His primary was uncontested because no mainstream Dem who really wants the job would ever run against him. They would get no finding or support from the DNC and would kill any future choices, so it’s really a non-choice when an egomaniac decides he will not pass the baton. This hadn’t ever before means that democracy is working. I mean how many states didn’t have any other candidate on the Dem ballot in 2020 because we have an UNDEMOCRATIC primary system. I wanted to vote for Elizabeth Warren, but she wasn’t on my DC ballot.

Presidents have been selected at the convention before. Let the GOP challenge it, it’s legal.

[Anonymous]

If the leaked comments were leaked as a strategy, it was a mistake. Leaders in the party should have handled this quietly, behind closed doors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AOC says that the political class (pundits, donors) turned on Biden because of the debate and if they had concerns about age, they should've stated it last year instead of supporting him
She's concerned about legal challenges if Biden is swapped out
states Democrats should not leak their displeasure to journalists, they should "say it with their chest" and go public if they have an opinion
The donors and elites that want Biden to step down, don't want Kamala either. They want a new ticket. Kamala supporters should not get their hopes up!
They have no plan on how to replace Biden and can't answer her questions
Biden does well with old people and unions, and thrives with crowds, struggled due to no audience in the debate
states she's poll skeptic, she has outperformed the polls before, her own private polling had her double digits down from what the result ended up being in the primary this year
says that the Dem members of Congress who want Biden to drop out only voice concern about their donors, not their voters


[youtube] https://youtu.be/mlzNvNFqtBE[/youtube]

The part about the legal challenges is especially worrisome.

I can’t believe I actually agree with AOC on something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone saying NeverBiden?
No one is willing to say that.
NeverTrump was making a point that you would not get their votes, so calculate accordingly.
Problem was their numbers were too small and Trump supporters were too high.
Full Biden supporters are small in number.
No one will be mad if Biden is replaced at the convention. In 2016, Roger Stone was threatening violence.
Will there be any numbers declaring NeverBiden that would force people to say we must have a new candidate.

Right now it is Biden down just five in polls, and all the people calling on him to drop out they know will vote for Biden.

That’s why this power struggle is happening - whomever gets the nomination is getting the anti-Trump “will crawl a mile over glass to vote against that Orange f#ck” votes. It is actually a pretty easy race at the end of the day because Trump has a “very unfavorable” rating pushing 50%. In other words, he’s already hit his ceiling for support and the inevitable Dem candidate has more avenues to build a coalition of even soft supporters (assuming people show up to vote….which I think they will).

Removing Biden is far too risky for some reasons - legally, reputation of the party, respect for the ballot, etc.

I'm not really even sure what it is that is "happening" - I had a message about Joe stepping down show up in my Facebook feed tonight, sponsored by "Pass The Torch, Joe" - whoever that is. Thing is, there were hundreds and hundreds of comments on it saying "stay the course, Joe" and "ridin with biden" and "I'm with Joe" and "Biden / Harris 2024" and I only saw ONE saying "Biden needs to step down." It really has me thinking there isn't actually all that much popular support and is instead being promoted and orchestrated by a handful of wealthy elites / big donors / lobbyists. Whoever it is hasn't done a good job of testing the waters or gathering data.

I think the point you’re missing is that while Biden has a ton of supporters, it won’t be enough. Margins in presidential races are incredibly thin and Biden is not going to be able to energize the youth and independents. Yes, the die-hards will vote for him, but it won’t be enough.

It sure would be nice to have a presidential election that is a good old fashioned landslide rather than poll-driven incredibly thin margins. Then the next president might actually be able to accomplish something meaningful. Fire the pollsters, tell the truth, make a connection with voters and trust them to make a wise choice.

A landslide victory would require a moderate candidate. Unfortunately, we don’t have that on either side. I’m a lifelong democrat and the liberals have gone too far to the left even for me. I increasingly don’t feel particularly represented by the party but still begrudgingly vote for them b/c the other party’s worse. It’s pretty bad when you’re voting against DJT instead of for JB. There’s a huge difference.

LOL “both sides”, ‘lifelong democrat and the liberals have gone too far to the left.” The GOP is planning on destroying America with Project 2025 and Agenda 47, but wanting women to have control over their own bodies and consumers to have some protections is a step too far for that lifelong democrat!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone saying NeverBiden?
No one is willing to say that.
NeverTrump was making a point that you would not get their votes, so calculate accordingly.
Problem was their numbers were too small and Trump supporters were too high.
Full Biden supporters are small in number.
No one will be mad if Biden is replaced at the convention. In 2016, Roger Stone was threatening violence.
Will there be any numbers declaring NeverBiden that would force people to say we must have a new candidate.

Right now it is Biden down just five in polls, and all the people calling on him to drop out they know will vote for Biden.

That’s why this power struggle is happening - whomever gets the nomination is getting the anti-Trump “will crawl a mile over glass to vote against that Orange f#ck” votes. It is actually a pretty easy race at the end of the day because Trump has a “very unfavorable” rating pushing 50%. In other words, he’s already hit his ceiling for support and the inevitable Dem candidate has more avenues to build a coalition of even soft supporters (assuming people show up to vote….which I think they will).

Removing Biden is far too risky for some reasons - legally, reputation of the party, respect for the ballot, etc.

I'm not really even sure what it is that is "happening" - I had a message about Joe stepping down show up in my Facebook feed tonight, sponsored by "Pass The Torch, Joe" - whoever that is. Thing is, there were hundreds and hundreds of comments on it saying "stay the course, Joe" and "ridin with biden" and "I'm with Joe" and "Biden / Harris 2024" and I only saw ONE saying "Biden needs to step down." It really has me thinking there isn't actually all that much popular support and is instead being promoted and orchestrated by a handful of wealthy elites / big donors / lobbyists. Whoever it is hasn't done a good job of testing the waters or gathering data.

I think the point you’re missing is that while Biden has a ton of supporters, it won’t be enough. Margins in presidential races are incredibly thin and Biden is not going to be able to energize the youth and independents. Yes, the die-hards will vote for him, but it won’t be enough.

It sure would be nice to have a presidential election that is a good old fashioned landslide rather than poll-driven incredibly thin margins. Then the next president might actually be able to accomplish something meaningful. Fire the pollsters, tell the truth, make a connection with voters and trust them to make a wise choice.

A landslide victory would require a moderate candidate. Unfortunately, we don’t have that on either side. I’m a lifelong democrat and the liberals have gone too far to the left even for me. I increasingly don’t feel particularly represented by the party but still begrudgingly vote for them b/c the other party’s worse. It’s pretty bad when you’re voting against DJT instead of for JB. There’s a huge difference.

LOL “both sides”, ‘lifelong democrat and the liberals have gone too far to the left.” The GOP is planning on destroying America with Project 2025 and Agenda 47, but wanting women to have control over their own bodies and consumers to have some protections is a step too far for that lifelong democrat!

Typical liberal responding with indignation and hysteria rather than listening to an opposing view in your own party. It’s exhausting but explains the drop in Biden’s support even before the disastrous debate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it ironic that Biden’s own party is trying to cancel him?

Yes. This is what is so flabbergasting to so many rank & file Dems who are not part of the DC-LA-NYC bubble. Don’t tell swing state voters you’re “saving democracy” and then try to force out the sitting President despite him having the primary votes and delegates. It’s offensive that the DC-LA-NYC Bubble Dems believe voters are so stupid to accept this.

This is such a dumb argument. His primary was uncontested because no mainstream Dem who really wants the job would ever run against him. They would get no finding or support from the DNC and would kill any future choices, so it’s really a non-choice when an egomaniac decides he will not pass the baton. This hadn’t ever before means that democracy is working. I mean how many states didn’t have any other candidate on the Dem ballot in 2020 because we have an UNDEMOCRATIC primary system. I wanted to vote for Elizabeth Warren, but she wasn’t on my DC ballot.

Presidents have been selected at the convention before. Let the GOP challenge it, it’s legal.

It’s a fool’s errand to ignore the legal issues which are a function of the various state election laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it ironic that Biden’s own party is trying to cancel him?

Yes. This is what is so flabbergasting to so many rank & file Dems who are not part of the DC-LA-NYC bubble. Don’t tell swing state voters you’re “saving democracy” and then try to force out the sitting President despite him having the primary votes and delegates. It’s offensive that the DC-LA-NYC Bubble Dems believe voters are so stupid to accept this.

Anybody that would have run against Biden, a sitting president, in a primary would have had their careers destroyed. So too their staff. It is impossible to run against a sitting president. And you know that so you are simply gaslighting.

And you want to talk swing states? When Virginia and Minnesota and New Jersey are now swing states because your candidate is so feeble that he is handing the entire nation, both houses of Congress, and the Supreme Court to Trump and the Republican Party you are in catastrophic loss territory. The election was gone ten minutes into the debate when the world could see that Biden was profoundly unfit to sit in the Oval Office. It is entirely reasonable for anyone that cares about this country to seek to jettison Biden from the ticket.

[Anonymous]

Is Dean Phillips really destroyed though?

[Anonymous]

I know some posters love the 14 million votes chorus but there was literally no other choice than Biden on many ballots, stop being silly.