Insurrection Hearings 6/28 and beyond

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Who did she go to work for after Mark Meadows?

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The Jan. 6 committee didn’t reach out to the Secret Service in the days before it aired explosive testimony about an alleged physical altercation between Donald Trump and his security detail on the day of the riot, according to an agency spokesperson.

Anthony Guglielmi, the service’s chief of communications, told POLITICO that select committee investigators did not ask Secret Service personnel to reappear or answer questions in writing in the 10 days before asking Hutchinson about the matter at the hearing.

“[W]e were not asked to reappear before the Committee in response to yesterday’s new information and we plan on formally responding on the record,” he wrote in an email. “We have and will continue to make any member of the Secret Service available.”

The Secret Service statement comes amid questions about two aspects of Hutchinson’s testimony: the story about Trump’s behavior in his presidential vehicle, which Hutchinson said was relayed to her by top White House security aide Tony Ornato; and her claim to have written a note about a potential Trump statement that would’ve aimed to quell the Jan. 6 violence.

And the committee’s lack of outreach in the days before Hutchinson’s hearing is notable because the Secret Service has said Jan. 6 investigators can access any documents or witnesses they deem relevant.

They'd already heard from both Ornato and Engel. Now they should have heard from them again?

Really?

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Anonymous wrote:Flynn pleading the 5th is beyond a bombshell.

Are US generals allowed to take the 5th in answer to this question? Is he still on active duty?

He is retired but as a flag officer he could be recalled at any time.

Petraus was demoted I'm rank and he just had an affair and showed his paramour top secret papers and she was retired Air Force. So, Flynn could be demoted or stripped of his rank and discharge switched to dishonorable.

Absolutely. I’m the PP you’re responding to and I think that he should be court-martialed and shot. Just pointing out what his current status is.

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Anonymous wrote:More about the fact, the majority of Americans just don’t care.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/3528682-american-apathy-weak-ratings-for-jan-6-hearings-reveal-voter-priorities/amp/

Instead, what we’re seeing is just more political theater at a time when Americans are concerned about more important things: 40-year-high inflation, record-high gas prices, skyrocketing crime, a porous border bringing in millions of illegal immigrants and record numbers dying of fentanyl. And a war in Ukraine that isn’t ending anytime soon.

There’s a “been there, done that” feel to all of this. Donald Trump was already impeached over his rhetoric that helped fuel the Capitol riot 17 months ago. More importantly, unlike President Nixon during the Watergate hearings nearly 50 years ago, which 71 percent of the country tuned in for, Trump is no longer in office.

Most of the people here breathlessly commenting on every aspect of the Kangaroo Kourt just do no represent the majority of the American people.

I disagree. I think EVERYONE is talking about it. DCUM isn't some microcosm.

No one in my extended circle is discussing it. Nothing about yesterday changed it. In fact, most did not see it.

And that is why trump supporters hang on - the refuse to even look at the evidence. It’s sad but understandable from a psychological perspective: their self-worth and identity were wrapped up
In trumpian concepts and they do have egos strong enough to admit they were wrong (or worse, conned).

Didn’t vote for Trump. This is where you LWNJ got it all wrong. You think all GOP supports Trump.

If you don't support Trump, you're no longer Republican. The party is his now.

And if you're deliberately ignoring the commission, you're just afraid of the truth.

You are really a fool if you believe the Republican Party is his now. Step away from the LWNJ websites and get to know some actual republicans. You think we are all pro life gun carrying nutcases. You don’t want discussions you are the ones who want anarchy!

If the pro-life gun-carrying nutcases are in control and you do nothing to stop them, then the distinction you’re trying to draw doesn’t make any practical difference.

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Anonymous wrote:More about the fact, the majority of Americans just don’t care.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/3528682-american-apathy-weak-ratings-for-jan-6-hearings-reveal-voter-priorities/amp/

Instead, what we’re seeing is just more political theater at a time when Americans are concerned about more important things: 40-year-high inflation, record-high gas prices, skyrocketing crime, a porous border bringing in millions of illegal immigrants and record numbers dying of fentanyl. And a war in Ukraine that isn’t ending anytime soon.

There’s a “been there, done that” feel to all of this. Donald Trump was already impeached over his rhetoric that helped fuel the Capitol riot 17 months ago. More importantly, unlike President Nixon during the Watergate hearings nearly 50 years ago, which 71 percent of the country tuned in for, Trump is no longer in office.

Most of the people here breathlessly commenting on every aspect of the Kangaroo Kourt just do no represent the majority of the American people.

That’s the opinion of a Fox News commentator in the right-leaning Hill.

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Anonymous wrote:More about the fact, the majority of Americans just don’t care.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/3528682-american-apathy-weak-ratings-for-jan-6-hearings-reveal-voter-priorities/amp/

Instead, what we’re seeing is just more political theater at a time when Americans are concerned about more important things: 40-year-high inflation, record-high gas prices, skyrocketing crime, a porous border bringing in millions of illegal immigrants and record numbers dying of fentanyl. And a war in Ukraine that isn’t ending anytime soon.

There’s a “been there, done that” feel to all of this. Donald Trump was already impeached over his rhetoric that helped fuel the Capitol riot 17 months ago. More importantly, unlike President Nixon during the Watergate hearings nearly 50 years ago, which 71 percent of the country tuned in for, Trump is no longer in office.

Most of the people here breathlessly commenting on every aspect of the Kangaroo Kourt just do no represent the majority of the American people.

I disagree. I think EVERYONE is talking about it. DCUM isn't some microcosm.

No one in my extended circle is discussing it. Nothing about yesterday changed it. In fact, most did not see it.

And that is why trump supporters hang on - the refuse to even look at the evidence. It’s sad but understandable from a psychological perspective: their self-worth and identity were wrapped up
In trumpian concepts and they do have egos strong enough to admit they were wrong (or worse, conned).

Didn’t vote for Trump. This is where you LWNJ got it all wrong. You think all GOP supports Trump.

If you don't support Trump, you're no longer Republican. The party is his now.

And if you're deliberately ignoring the commission, you're just afraid of the truth.

You are really a fool if you believe the Republican Party is his now. Step away from the LWNJ websites and get to know some actual republicans. You think we are all pro life gun carrying nutcases. You don’t want discussions you are the ones who want anarchy!

Until Republicans in power stand up and denounce him, he owns your party. I am so sick of republicans privately (or anonymously) proclaiming they didn’t vote for Trump, don’t support him, etc. Until you all stand up and call him a traitor, until your leadership speaks out against him, you are cowards and he IS the face of the GOP.

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The Jan. 6 committee didn’t reach out to the Secret Service in the days before it aired explosive testimony about an alleged physical altercation between Donald Trump and his security detail on the day of the riot, according to an agency spokesperson.

Anthony Guglielmi, the service’s chief of communications, told POLITICO that select committee investigators did not ask Secret Service personnel to reappear or answer questions in writing in the 10 days before asking Hutchinson about the matter at the hearing.

“[W]e were not asked to reappear before the Committee in response to yesterday’s new information and we plan on formally responding on the record,” he wrote in an email. “We have and will continue to make any member of the Secret Service available.”

The Secret Service statement comes amid questions about two aspects of Hutchinson’s testimony: the story about Trump’s behavior in his presidential vehicle, which Hutchinson said was relayed to her by top White House security aide Tony Ornato; and her claim to have written a note about a potential Trump statement that would’ve aimed to quell the Jan. 6 violence.

And the committee’s lack of outreach in the days before Hutchinson’s hearing is notable because the Secret Service has said Jan. 6 investigators can access any documents or witnesses they deem relevant.

They'd already heard from both Ornato and Engel. Now they should have heard from them again?

Really?

And, they had already heard from Hutchison. They had to hear from her again?????

Hopefully, we will ALL hear from Ornato and Engel again.... publicly..... if this rogue committee allows their public testimony.
I do think public pressure to have them testify will be too great for them to ignore.

This is the problem when you have a one-sided hearing where there is no questioning from the "other side."
Holes get blown in the testimony after the fact since they are very selective about what they allow and nobody is there to ask probing questions during the hearing.

This whole saga just shows how much of a "show trial" this is - hell.... they even hired a former producer to make sure everything is "TV ready."
It is not a true hearing. They have their objectives and their narratives and they want the public to only hear certain aspects of the story.

The media blew a huge hole in that narrative just hours after the testimony yesterday. As a result, the credibility of this whole committee has come tumbling down.

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The Jan. 6 committee didn’t reach out to the Secret Service in the days before it aired explosive testimony about an alleged physical altercation between Donald Trump and his security detail on the day of the riot, according to an agency spokesperson.

Anthony Guglielmi, the service’s chief of communications, told POLITICO that select committee investigators did not ask Secret Service personnel to reappear or answer questions in writing in the 10 days before asking Hutchinson about the matter at the hearing.

“[W]e were not asked to reappear before the Committee in response to yesterday’s new information and we plan on formally responding on the record,” he wrote in an email. “We have and will continue to make any member of the Secret Service available.”

The Secret Service statement comes amid questions about two aspects of Hutchinson’s testimony: the story about Trump’s behavior in his presidential vehicle, which Hutchinson said was relayed to her by top White House security aide Tony Ornato; and her claim to have written a note about a potential Trump statement that would’ve aimed to quell the Jan. 6 violence.

And the committee’s lack of outreach in the days before Hutchinson’s hearing is notable because the Secret Service has said Jan. 6 investigators can access any documents or witnesses they deem relevant.

They'd already heard from both Ornato and Engel. Now they should have heard from them again?

Really?

And, they had already heard from Hutchison. They had to hear from her again?????

Hopefully, we will ALL hear from Ornato and Engel again.... publicly..... if this rogue committee allows their public testimony.
I do think public pressure to have them testify will be too great for them to ignore.

This is the problem when you have a one-sided hearing where there is no questioning from the "other side."
Holes get blown in the testimony after the fact since they are very selective about what they allow and nobody is there to ask probing questions during the hearing.

This whole saga just shows how much of a "show trial" this is - hell.... they even hired a former producer to make sure everything is "TV ready."
It is not a true hearing. They have their objectives and their narratives and they want the public to only hear certain aspects of the story.

The media blew a huge hole in that narrative just hours after the testimony yesterday. As a result, the credibility of this whole committee has come tumbling down.

If you say so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:More about the fact, the majority of Americans just don’t care.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/3528682-american-apathy-weak-ratings-for-jan-6-hearings-reveal-voter-priorities/amp/

Instead, what we’re seeing is just more political theater at a time when Americans are concerned about more important things: 40-year-high inflation, record-high gas prices, skyrocketing crime, a porous border bringing in millions of illegal immigrants and record numbers dying of fentanyl. And a war in Ukraine that isn’t ending anytime soon.

There’s a “been there, done that” feel to all of this. Donald Trump was already impeached over his rhetoric that helped fuel the Capitol riot 17 months ago. More importantly, unlike President Nixon during the Watergate hearings nearly 50 years ago, which 71 percent of the country tuned in for, Trump is no longer in office.

Most of the people here breathlessly commenting on every aspect of the Kangaroo Kourt just do no represent the majority of the American people.

That’s the opinion of a Fox News commentator in the right-leaning Hill.

Oh, sweetie. He is an opinion writer, but he states facts and data in the article to back up his assertion that people just don't care.

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Anonymous wrote:Who did she go to work for after Mark Meadows?

She doesn’t have a job right now, as has been mentioned in this thread several times.

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Anonymous wrote:Never ever in the history of testimony has someone ever given false testimony!

The ratings of these hearings are deplorable. The vast majority of the country has moved on. This grandstanding non both sides is wasting time and money. The country has moved on and is worried about inflation, crumbling infrastructure, and high gas prices. They really do not care as much as the small minority of posters here seem to think they do or should.

Completely false. Millions are watching. Millions want accountability.

MILLIONS are not watching. The ratings do not reflect.

They are watching. They are watching streaming which isn’t recorded by the ratings.

For every 1 person watching tv I know 20 who watch later via streaming.

Wrong. Nielsen +7 accounts for streaming.

No one I know on the left or right is watching nor do they care one bit!

You can keep telling yourself that until the cows come home but it simply is not true. I and everyone I know cares deeply and is following the hearings. Polls prove you wrong.

We are the suburban mothers who catch up on news when we can. We are also a major voting block.

Even the note she said she wrote and identified as her own handwriting is NOT true.

It's not? It's false? Have you read the thread?

I have. And this is my summation:

Trump tried to carjack the beast from way way in the back seat (stretch limo) and to do so, turned into elastic man to grab the driver’s clavicle. The men who have served four different presidents without an infraction are now lying sacks of crap (though clearly good enough to serve Obama) and this young woman is a hero. Did I sum that up right?

If you are talking about the Secret Service they have a history of being drunk “lying sacks of crap”. The SS personal involve are all trump loyalists and were replaced as soon as trump was forced from office. These same SS agents were not trusted by Pence. Pence refused to get into the car controlled by SS agents. He was tipped out. It is interesting the no one has come out on record from the secret service? Also why are you lying about the vehicle. It was an SUV. There is video of it.

Now if you want to throw shade we should question the SS agents who disobeyed a direct order from the president. He wanted to go to the Capitol. The SS has no authority to over rule the president. Too bad for you and your fail insurrection. Would have been a lot more killed if trump had made it to the Capitol.

These same SS agents served Obama as well. And two other Presidents besides Trump.

Ornato is a Trump political operative.

"Trump installed Tony Ornato -- his former lead US Secret Service agent --- as deputy chief of staff for operations in part bc FLOTUS --- then chief preferred him over Max Miller. But the move unnerved West Wing aides who knew the Secret Service was supposed to be non-political."
https://twitter.com/hugolowell/status/1518329760547540995

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"[S]enior Secret Service official Anthony Ornato was detailed to White House as a Trump political adviser. He's now back at USSS."
https://twitter.com/jkuhnhenn/status/1518321475173994498

We don’t know what Ornato’s angle is because he has not made any public statements yet. It’s best not to assume anything. He’s obviously testified. So if she said anything that contradicted his testimony he’d be defending himself from perjury. He’s not. Who knows show these “sources” are?

All these guys are going to understate what Trump did and said because they all want to stay tight with the Republican patronage network. The truth doesn’t get you sweet high-paying gigs.

They aren’t going to lie under oath though.

I mean, there’s a really good chance there are more witnesses that heard this story from people who were there. I’m sure it went around. Maybe Ornato embellished when he retold the story, but he did already confirm that Trump was irate about not going to the Capitol. That’s the important thing. Whether or not he assaulted an agent is honestly a tangent.

The actual important thing is that Trump knew there were weapons and violent people there that day and he didn’t care. He wanted to get Pence and a few other people killed and to prevent them from certifying the election. That’s the important thing.

Actually, if you read the documents from the Capitol Police that Solomon brought out today, Pelosi and others in Congress knew that between Christmas and New Years Eve.

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Anonymous wrote:To recap:

Trump knew large numbers of people in the crowd were armed—or auto told Meadows and Hutchinson.

Trump wanted the armed crowd to move toward the Capitol and “stop the steal”.

The VP and the Speaker were at the Capitol.

Trump knew there were threats against the VP and didn’t ask supporters to be peaceful and stay away from the Capitol—he encouraged them to go there and fight, naming the VP as someone who didn’t do what needed to be done to stop the election.

The violent crowd within 40 ft of the VP.

If he had been killed, I would say Trump could be tried for felony murder. Luckily the VP wasn’t killed. It was “just” a failed coup.

You forgot the part where Trump asked for additional forces and was turned down.

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Anonymous wrote:Who did she go to work for after Mark Meadows?

She doesn’t have a job right now, as has been mentioned in this thread several times.

Man just think Fox News could have hired her for 450k a year and none of this would have be exposed. Short sited on Fox News part.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, can we talk again about Trump GRABBING THE STEERING WHEEL LIKE A DERANGED TODDLER?

My colleague and I were just trying to imagine the logistics of this portly man trying to get through the gap in the front seats to do this.

It's a large car.

He was not in limo but I. The big black SVU. Pay attention,! PBS will be replaying the last three hearings this Saturday. Watch and learn!

DUH. That was obvious when they made the mistake the first time and switched the narrative. Media: "The beast is a fleet of cars, etc...."

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Anonymous wrote:What was such an emergency about Hutchinson's testimony that it had to be rushed for a special session?

She had already said a lot of things on tape and some of it had been aired in snippets on previous days.

Why not just wait a few days until August, as the committee had previously planned?

Her testimony of secondhand gossip has already fallen apart. The agents who were actually in the car said she’s lying. Oops.

No they didn’t.

The agents are saying they’re available to testify that her second-hand story is 100% false. Not very helpful to the cause, huh?