War with Iran

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Anonymous wrote:New Lego banger just dropped from Iran:

https://x.com/ryanrozbiani/status/2038425238413738014?s=46

They are clearly winning the memetic war

So you keep saying! It doesn't take much to impress simpletons.

Who do you think enlists?

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Anonymous wrote:Iran lego movie:

Part 2:

https://x.com/carlzha/status/2037350358142558515?s=46

Music video:

https://x.com/ryanrozbiani/status/2036503251445555243?s=46

Full thread of various films:

https://x.com/pati_marins64/status/2037377825540292688?s=46

It's interesting to see all the Iranian propaganda - and even more interesting to see people cheering them on. You don't have to be a fan of Israel to know that Iran is a dangerous, oppressive, fanatical regime. But sure, keep rooting for them.

Israel is an anti-democratic, illiberal ethnostate that has been genocidal. It’s also been a liability for America, wasting taxpayers’ money on its already wealthy citizens. Watching the Iranians smash that enemy of humanity is exquisite!

Ok. At least you're not hiding your support of a murderous, fanatical regime led by men in dresses who hate women and gay people. Hooray!! I definitely want to be on your side.

DP that is Israel. Mobs of men chasing women soldiers through the streets.

Sure, whatever you say. Let's recall that in Iran, they prefer to hang people - women as well as men.

https://apnews.com/article/un-iran-executions-human-rights-torture-women-542ecde4a51d6dacb401c32c06ab2ecf

Both countries have scads of human rights violations. Only Israel does genocide and aggressively bombs multiple countries in place of diplomacy.

Israel is getting its nose bloodied because it finally started a fight it couldn’t win. Bullies getting the sh-t kicked out of them is always entertaining!

Israel is a radical fundamentalist religious state. They hate gays and women.

True. It’s also, of all nations since the end of WWII, the closest state to the awfulness of Nazi Germany.

Now describe Iran, a terrorist state that arrests its own people and executes them if they dare to question the regime. Sounds a lot closer to Nazi Germany than Israel.

Only in your mind.

Wait - you're actually claiming Iran has not arrested and executed thousands of their own people for protesting the regime? That's what you're going with?

dp - the PP wasn't denying Iran's bad behavior.

They were taking issue with the claim that Iran "Sounds a lot closer to Nazi Germany than Israel."

But you knew that, and chose to be obtuse.

The only people being obtuse are those insisting Israel is closer to “Nazi behavior” than Iran. I mean, come on. 🙄

Your ignorance doesn’t make someone else obtuse.

And your obtuseness doesn’t make you any less ignorant. Are you 12?

Nothing you don't say changes the fact of what Israel is: 21st century Nazis.

No don't minimize. Israeli jews have been Nazis longer than Nazis were Nazis. They've successfully appropriated the moniker. I would've "added" cultural but it's literally the same eastern European culture so it's redundant.

Israel didn't exist prior to 1948 so your claim is rooted in ignorance. Israel's awfulness has as much to do with Judaism as Iran's awfulness has to do with Islam. Jews and Muslims of the world are not responsible for the awful countries in the Middle East.

The modern state of Israel didn't exist prior to 1948 but it has in fact existed for 3000 years. Long before 1948, there were multiple sovereign Jewish states in the region: the Kingdom of Israel, the Kingdom of Judah, and later the Hasmonean and Herodian kingdoms. The Romans crushed the Jewish Bar Kokhba revolt in 135 CE and renamed the province “Syria Palaestina” to weaken Jewish identity and sever the connection to Judea. The name “Palestine” was a Roman administrative label, not the name of an Arab state. The modern State of Israel is a revival of ancient Jewish sovereignty, not a new invention. There has never been a sovereign Arab nation of Palestine.

Yawn. A Jewish state only existed for about 80-100 years before breaking a part. The northern kingdom lasted about two hundred before being invaded and annexed by the Assyria. The southern kingdom lasted 350 years before being conquered by the Babylonian. So if you are generous a Jewish state existed in Palestine for 400ish years 3,000-2,6000 years ago. From then on the area was controlled and occupied by various powers.

Muslims ruled Palestine for over 1,200 years. Christianity ruled Palestine for two main periods totaling roughly 400–500 years of direct rule over most of the region.

Jewish really do not have a strong claim to the area and the area has not been an independent state for over 2,500 years.

Agree yawn. Israel has the most powerful military in the region, backed be the US, and lots of rich successful Jews spread across the globe willing (and able) to support them financially and otherwise. So, like ‘em or don’t, they’re not going anywhere and will continue to dominate the region regardless of whether they have been there 10 years or a thousand.

The smart Arab countries have realized this and are now just about selling oil and other resources to make as much money as possible. They are true capitalist at heart and know that war is bad for business.

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Anonymous wrote:Iran lego movie:

Part 2:

https://x.com/carlzha/status/2037350358142558515?s=46

Music video:

https://x.com/ryanrozbiani/status/2036503251445555243?s=46

Full thread of various films:

https://x.com/pati_marins64/status/2037377825540292688?s=46

It's interesting to see all the Iranian propaganda - and even more interesting to see people cheering them on. You don't have to be a fan of Israel to know that Iran is a dangerous, oppressive, fanatical regime. But sure, keep rooting for them.

Israel is an anti-democratic, illiberal ethnostate that has been genocidal. It’s also been a liability for America, wasting taxpayers’ money on its already wealthy citizens. Watching the Iranians smash that enemy of humanity is exquisite!

Ok. At least you're not hiding your support of a murderous, fanatical regime led by men in dresses who hate women and gay people. Hooray!! I definitely want to be on your side.

DP that is Israel. Mobs of men chasing women soldiers through the streets.

Sure, whatever you say. Let's recall that in Iran, they prefer to hang people - women as well as men.

https://apnews.com/article/un-iran-executions-human-rights-torture-women-542ecde4a51d6dacb401c32c06ab2ecf

Both countries have scads of human rights violations. Only Israel does genocide and aggressively bombs multiple countries in place of diplomacy.

Israel is getting its nose bloodied because it finally started a fight it couldn’t win. Bullies getting the sh-t kicked out of them is always entertaining!

Israel is a radical fundamentalist religious state. They hate gays and women.

True. It’s also, of all nations since the end of WWII, the closest state to the awfulness of Nazi Germany.

Now describe Iran, a terrorist state that arrests its own people and executes them if they dare to question the regime. Sounds a lot closer to Nazi Germany than Israel.

Only in your mind.

Wait - you're actually claiming Iran has not arrested and executed thousands of their own people for protesting the regime? That's what you're going with?

dp - the PP wasn't denying Iran's bad behavior.

They were taking issue with the claim that Iran "Sounds a lot closer to Nazi Germany than Israel."

But you knew that, and chose to be obtuse.

The only people being obtuse are those insisting Israel is closer to “Nazi behavior” than Iran. I mean, come on. 🙄

Your ignorance doesn’t make someone else obtuse.

And your obtuseness doesn’t make you any less ignorant. Are you 12?

Nothing you don't say changes the fact of what Israel is: 21st century Nazis.

No don't minimize. Israeli jews have been Nazis longer than Nazis were Nazis. They've successfully appropriated the moniker. I would've "added" cultural but it's literally the same eastern European culture so it's redundant.

Israel didn't exist prior to 1948 so your claim is rooted in ignorance. Israel's awfulness has as much to do with Judaism as Iran's awfulness has to do with Islam. Jews and Muslims of the world are not responsible for the awful countries in the Middle East.

The modern state of Israel didn't exist prior to 1948 but it has in fact existed for 3000 years. Long before 1948, there were multiple sovereign Jewish states in the region: the Kingdom of Israel, the Kingdom of Judah, and later the Hasmonean and Herodian kingdoms. The Romans crushed the Jewish Bar Kokhba revolt in 135 CE and renamed the province “Syria Palaestina” to weaken Jewish identity and sever the connection to Judea. The name “Palestine” was a Roman administrative label, not the name of an Arab state. The modern State of Israel is a revival of ancient Jewish sovereignty, not a new invention. There has never been a sovereign Arab nation of Palestine.

Yawn. A Jewish state only existed for about 80-100 years before breaking a part. The northern kingdom lasted about two hundred before being invaded and annexed by the Assyria. The southern kingdom lasted 350 years before being conquered by the Babylonian. So if you are generous a Jewish state existed in Palestine for 400ish years 3,000-2,6000 years ago. From then on the area was controlled and occupied by various powers.

Muslims ruled Palestine for over 1,200 years. Christianity ruled Palestine for two main periods totaling roughly 400–500 years of direct rule over most of the region.

Jewish really do not have a strong claim to the area and the area has not been an independent state for over 2,500 years.

Agree yawn. Israel has the most powerful military in the region, backed be the US, and lots of rich successful Jews spread across the globe willing (and able) to support them financially and otherwise. So, like ‘em or don’t, they’re not going anywhere and will continue to dominate the region regardless of whether they have been there 10 years or a thousand.

The smart Arab countries have realized this and are now just about selling oil and other resources to make as much money as possible. They are true capitalist at heart and know that war is bad for business.

lol wish casting. The area which is Israel today has not been a state for over 2,000 years. There is a reason for that. The area has no resources, is not in strategic location, is surrounded by larger countries and is desert.

The US will be forced to leave the gulf region by Iran. The US population is done with supporting Israel and doing its bidding. Iran is a historic power in the region that has been suppressed by the US for Israel. The Arab states now realize there is no reason to seek favor with United States and therefore no reason to do anything with Israel.

The Middle East has changed in 30 days. Oh also without the US “leading” Europe the European will walk away from Israel.

[Anonymous]

I see why the neocons pushed for a new pearl harbor in their manifesto for the 21st century. Without 9/11, it doesn’t appear the war on terror would’ve worked. I am fearful another 9/11 event will happen

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Anonymous wrote:Iran lego movie:

Part 2:

https://x.com/carlzha/status/2037350358142558515?s=46

Music video:

https://x.com/ryanrozbiani/status/2036503251445555243?s=46

Full thread of various films:

https://x.com/pati_marins64/status/2037377825540292688?s=46

It's interesting to see all the Iranian propaganda - and even more interesting to see people cheering them on. You don't have to be a fan of Israel to know that Iran is a dangerous, oppressive, fanatical regime. But sure, keep rooting for them.

Israel is an anti-democratic, illiberal ethnostate that has been genocidal. It’s also been a liability for America, wasting taxpayers’ money on its already wealthy citizens. Watching the Iranians smash that enemy of humanity is exquisite!

Ok. At least you're not hiding your support of a murderous, fanatical regime led by men in dresses who hate women and gay people. Hooray!! I definitely want to be on your side.

DP that is Israel. Mobs of men chasing women soldiers through the streets.

Sure, whatever you say. Let's recall that in Iran, they prefer to hang people - women as well as men.

https://apnews.com/article/un-iran-executions-human-rights-torture-women-542ecde4a51d6dacb401c32c06ab2ecf

Both countries have scads of human rights violations. Only Israel does genocide and aggressively bombs multiple countries in place of diplomacy.

Israel is getting its nose bloodied because it finally started a fight it couldn’t win. Bullies getting the sh-t kicked out of them is always entertaining!

Israel is a radical fundamentalist religious state. They hate gays and women.

True. It’s also, of all nations since the end of WWII, the closest state to the awfulness of Nazi Germany.

Now describe Iran, a terrorist state that arrests its own people and executes them if they dare to question the regime. Sounds a lot closer to Nazi Germany than Israel.

Only in your mind.

Wait - you're actually claiming Iran has not arrested and executed thousands of their own people for protesting the regime? That's what you're going with?

dp - the PP wasn't denying Iran's bad behavior.

They were taking issue with the claim that Iran "Sounds a lot closer to Nazi Germany than Israel."

But you knew that, and chose to be obtuse.

The only people being obtuse are those insisting Israel is closer to “Nazi behavior” than Iran. I mean, come on. 🙄

Your ignorance doesn’t make someone else obtuse.

And your obtuseness doesn’t make you any less ignorant. Are you 12?

Nothing you don't say changes the fact of what Israel is: 21st century Nazis.

No don't minimize. Israeli jews have been Nazis longer than Nazis were Nazis. They've successfully appropriated the moniker. I would've "added" cultural but it's literally the same eastern European culture so it's redundant.

Israel didn't exist prior to 1948 so your claim is rooted in ignorance. Israel's awfulness has as much to do with Judaism as Iran's awfulness has to do with Islam. Jews and Muslims of the world are not responsible for the awful countries in the Middle East.

The modern state of Israel didn't exist prior to 1948 but it has in fact existed for 3000 years. Long before 1948, there were multiple sovereign Jewish states in the region: the Kingdom of Israel, the Kingdom of Judah, and later the Hasmonean and Herodian kingdoms. The Romans crushed the Jewish Bar Kokhba revolt in 135 CE and renamed the province “Syria Palaestina” to weaken Jewish identity and sever the connection to Judea. The name “Palestine” was a Roman administrative label, not the name of an Arab state. The modern State of Israel is a revival of ancient Jewish sovereignty, not a new invention. There has never been a sovereign Arab nation of Palestine.

Yawn. A Jewish state only existed for about 80-100 years before breaking a part. The northern kingdom lasted about two hundred before being invaded and annexed by the Assyria. The southern kingdom lasted 350 years before being conquered by the Babylonian. So if you are generous a Jewish state existed in Palestine for 400ish years 3,000-2,6000 years ago. From then on the area was controlled and occupied by various powers.

Muslims ruled Palestine for over 1,200 years. Christianity ruled Palestine for two main periods totaling roughly 400–500 years of direct rule over most of the region.

Jewish really do not have a strong claim to the area and the area has not been an independent state for over 2,500 years.

Agree yawn. Israel has the most powerful military in the region, backed be the US, and lots of rich successful Jews spread across the globe willing (and able) to support them financially and otherwise. So, like ‘em or don’t, they’re not going anywhere and will continue to dominate the region regardless of whether they have been there 10 years or a thousand.

The smart Arab countries have realized this and are now just about selling oil and other resources to make as much money as possible. They are true capitalist at heart and know that war is bad for business.

These kinds of posts are like so much manna from heaven. The narcissism and unbridled hubris nourish my soul.

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Anonymous wrote:Iran lego movie:

Part 2:

https://x.com/carlzha/status/2037350358142558515?s=46

Music video:

https://x.com/ryanrozbiani/status/2036503251445555243?s=46

Full thread of various films:

https://x.com/pati_marins64/status/2037377825540292688?s=46

It's interesting to see all the Iranian propaganda - and even more interesting to see people cheering them on. You don't have to be a fan of Israel to know that Iran is a dangerous, oppressive, fanatical regime. But sure, keep rooting for them.

Israel is an anti-democratic, illiberal ethnostate that has been genocidal. It’s also been a liability for America, wasting taxpayers’ money on its already wealthy citizens. Watching the Iranians smash that enemy of humanity is exquisite!

Ok. At least you're not hiding your support of a murderous, fanatical regime led by men in dresses who hate women and gay people. Hooray!! I definitely want to be on your side.

DP that is Israel. Mobs of men chasing women soldiers through the streets.

Sure, whatever you say. Let's recall that in Iran, they prefer to hang people - women as well as men.

https://apnews.com/article/un-iran-executions-human-rights-torture-women-542ecde4a51d6dacb401c32c06ab2ecf

Both countries have scads of human rights violations. Only Israel does genocide and aggressively bombs multiple countries in place of diplomacy.

Israel is getting its nose bloodied because it finally started a fight it couldn’t win. Bullies getting the sh-t kicked out of them is always entertaining!

Israel is a radical fundamentalist religious state. They hate gays and women.

True. It’s also, of all nations since the end of WWII, the closest state to the awfulness of Nazi Germany.

Now describe Iran, a terrorist state that arrests its own people and executes them if they dare to question the regime. Sounds a lot closer to Nazi Germany than Israel.

Only in your mind.

Wait - you're actually claiming Iran has not arrested and executed thousands of their own people for protesting the regime? That's what you're going with?

dp - the PP wasn't denying Iran's bad behavior.

They were taking issue with the claim that Iran "Sounds a lot closer to Nazi Germany than Israel."

But you knew that, and chose to be obtuse.

The only people being obtuse are those insisting Israel is closer to “Nazi behavior” than Iran. I mean, come on. 🙄

Your ignorance doesn’t make someone else obtuse.

And your obtuseness doesn’t make you any less ignorant. Are you 12?

Nothing you don't say changes the fact of what Israel is: 21st century Nazis.

No don't minimize. Israeli jews have been Nazis longer than Nazis were Nazis. They've successfully appropriated the moniker. I would've "added" cultural but it's literally the same eastern European culture so it's redundant.

Israel didn't exist prior to 1948 so your claim is rooted in ignorance. Israel's awfulness has as much to do with Judaism as Iran's awfulness has to do with Islam. Jews and Muslims of the world are not responsible for the awful countries in the Middle East.

The modern state of Israel didn't exist prior to 1948 but it has in fact existed for 3000 years. Long before 1948, there were multiple sovereign Jewish states in the region: the Kingdom of Israel, the Kingdom of Judah, and later the Hasmonean and Herodian kingdoms. The Romans crushed the Jewish Bar Kokhba revolt in 135 CE and renamed the province “Syria Palaestina” to weaken Jewish identity and sever the connection to Judea. The name “Palestine” was a Roman administrative label, not the name of an Arab state. The modern State of Israel is a revival of ancient Jewish sovereignty, not a new invention. There has never been a sovereign Arab nation of Palestine.

Yawn. A Jewish state only existed for about 80-100 years before breaking a part. The northern kingdom lasted about two hundred before being invaded and annexed by the Assyria. The southern kingdom lasted 350 years before being conquered by the Babylonian. So if you are generous a Jewish state existed in Palestine for 400ish years 3,000-2,6000 years ago. From then on the area was controlled and occupied by various powers.

Muslims ruled Palestine for over 1,200 years. Christianity ruled Palestine for two main periods totaling roughly 400–500 years of direct rule over most of the region.

Jewish really do not have a strong claim to the area and the area has not been an independent state for over 2,500 years.

Agree yawn. Israel has the most powerful military in the region, backed be the US, and lots of rich successful Jews spread across the globe willing (and able) to support them financially and otherwise. So, like ‘em or don’t, they’re not going anywhere and will continue to dominate the region regardless of whether they have been there 10 years or a thousand.

The smart Arab countries have realized this and are now just about selling oil and other resources to make as much money as possible. They are true capitalist at heart and know that war is bad for business.

If war is bad for business and Israel’s military is so strong, then why are you pushing America to do it?

[Anonymous]

US faces total collapse in six months if war continues.

https://www.rawstory.com/iran-war-2676635644/?link_source=ta_thread_link&taid=69c9bd0965b14200018384c6&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=threads.net

[Anonymous]

“Trump has two military options to open the strait: seizing territory, or deploying a massive naval presence in the waterway. Even the limited ground incursion being considered risks the kind of body count that could sink a presidency, experts say. For Iran, boots on the ground would be a red line.”

Emma Salisbury, a senior fellow in the national security programme at the Foreign Policy Research Institute, said she believed Trump would not be able to resist escalating the conflict by capturing one of the Iranian islands in the Gulf.

[Anonymous]

We are so screwed:

No direct US-Iran negotiations have taken place - Iranian foreign ministry spokesperson
Esmaeil Baqaei, spokesperson for the Iranian foreign ministry, has reaffirmed that Iran has not had any direct negotiations with the US, in comments carried by the Tasnim news agency.

“What has been discussed are messages we received through intermediaries stating that the US wants to negotiate,” he was quoted as having said.

“Iran has been clear about its position from the beginning, and we know very well what the framework is that we are considering. The material conveyed to us has been excessive and unreasonable requests.”

[Anonymous]

Three cheers for Spain! They refuse to allow any USA military jets to use their airspace for any reason, other than emergency.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Trump has two military options to open the strait: seizing territory, or deploying a massive naval presence in the waterway. Even the limited ground incursion being considered risks the kind of body count that could sink a presidency, experts say. For Iran, boots on the ground would be a red line.”

Emma Salisbury, a senior fellow in the national security programme at the Foreign Policy Research Institute, said she believed Trump would not be able to resist escalating the conflict by capturing one of the Iranian islands in the Gulf.

Why do people keep citing random people?

John Mearsheimer and Robert Pape are pretty much two of the foremost scholars on this and they've already said all of this for months and years.

They warned against any military action against Iran. But now too late for that.

Now they're warning against going up the escalation ladder.

Again, why name random people? Everybody thinks the same thing. But some people have decades of experience advising world leaders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Three cheers for Spain! They refuse to allow any USA military jets to use their airspace for any reason, other than emergency.

I wish more world leaders would have their b@lls.

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Anonymous wrote:Iran lego movie:

Part 2:

https://x.com/carlzha/status/2037350358142558515?s=46

Music video:

https://x.com/ryanrozbiani/status/2036503251445555243?s=46

Full thread of various films:

https://x.com/pati_marins64/status/2037377825540292688?s=46

It's interesting to see all the Iranian propaganda - and even more interesting to see people cheering them on. You don't have to be a fan of Israel to know that Iran is a dangerous, oppressive, fanatical regime. But sure, keep rooting for them.

Israel is an anti-democratic, illiberal ethnostate that has been genocidal. It’s also been a liability for America, wasting taxpayers’ money on its already wealthy citizens. Watching the Iranians smash that enemy of humanity is exquisite!

Ok. At least you're not hiding your support of a murderous, fanatical regime led by men in dresses who hate women and gay people. Hooray!! I definitely want to be on your side.

DP that is Israel. Mobs of men chasing women soldiers through the streets.

Sure, whatever you say. Let's recall that in Iran, they prefer to hang people - women as well as men.

https://apnews.com/article/un-iran-executions-human-rights-torture-women-542ecde4a51d6dacb401c32c06ab2ecf

Both countries have scads of human rights violations. Only Israel does genocide and aggressively bombs multiple countries in place of diplomacy.

Israel is getting its nose bloodied because it finally started a fight it couldn’t win. Bullies getting the sh-t kicked out of them is always entertaining!

Israel is a radical fundamentalist religious state. They hate gays and women.

True. It’s also, of all nations since the end of WWII, the closest state to the awfulness of Nazi Germany.

Now describe Iran, a terrorist state that arrests its own people and executes them if they dare to question the regime. Sounds a lot closer to Nazi Germany than Israel.

Only in your mind.

Wait - you're actually claiming Iran has not arrested and executed thousands of their own people for protesting the regime? That's what you're going with?

dp - the PP wasn't denying Iran's bad behavior.

They were taking issue with the claim that Iran "Sounds a lot closer to Nazi Germany than Israel."

But you knew that, and chose to be obtuse.

The only people being obtuse are those insisting Israel is closer to “Nazi behavior” than Iran. I mean, come on. 🙄

Your ignorance doesn’t make someone else obtuse.

And your obtuseness doesn’t make you any less ignorant. Are you 12?

Nothing you don't say changes the fact of what Israel is: 21st century Nazis.

No don't minimize. Israeli jews have been Nazis longer than Nazis were Nazis. They've successfully appropriated the moniker. I would've "added" cultural but it's literally the same eastern European culture so it's redundant.

Israel didn't exist prior to 1948 so your claim is rooted in ignorance. Israel's awfulness has as much to do with Judaism as Iran's awfulness has to do with Islam. Jews and Muslims of the world are not responsible for the awful countries in the Middle East.

The modern state of Israel didn't exist prior to 1948 but it has in fact existed for 3000 years. Long before 1948, there were multiple sovereign Jewish states in the region: the Kingdom of Israel, the Kingdom of Judah, and later the Hasmonean and Herodian kingdoms. The Romans crushed the Jewish Bar Kokhba revolt in 135 CE and renamed the province “Syria Palaestina” to weaken Jewish identity and sever the connection to Judea. The name “Palestine” was a Roman administrative label, not the name of an Arab state. The modern State of Israel is a revival of ancient Jewish sovereignty, not a new invention. There has never been a sovereign Arab nation of Palestine.

Yawn. A Jewish state only existed for about 80-100 years before breaking a part. The northern kingdom lasted about two hundred before being invaded and annexed by the Assyria. The southern kingdom lasted 350 years before being conquered by the Babylonian. So if you are generous a Jewish state existed in Palestine for 400ish years 3,000-2,6000 years ago. From then on the area was controlled and occupied by various powers.

Muslims ruled Palestine for over 1,200 years. Christianity ruled Palestine for two main periods totaling roughly 400–500 years of direct rule over most of the region.

Jewish really do not have a strong claim to the area and the area has not been an independent state for over 2,500 years.

Agree yawn. Israel has the most powerful military in the region, backed be the US, and lots of rich successful Jews spread across the globe willing (and able) to support them financially and otherwise. So, like ‘em or don’t, they’re not going anywhere and will continue to dominate the region regardless of whether they have been there 10 years or a thousand.

The smart Arab countries have realized this and are now just about selling oil and other resources to make as much money as possible. They are true capitalist at heart and know that war is bad for business.

It's the type of fighting that Israel will not be ready for. When people are willing to die for their cause, it changes warfare.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“Trump has two military options to open the strait: seizing territory, or deploying a massive naval presence in the waterway. Even the limited ground incursion being considered risks the kind of body count that could sink a presidency, experts say. For Iran, boots on the ground would be a red line.”

Emma Salisbury, a senior fellow in the national security programme at the Foreign Policy Research Institute, said she believed Trump would not be able to resist escalating the conflict by capturing one of the Iranian islands in the Gulf.

Why do people keep citing random people?

John Mearsheimer and Robert Pape are pretty much two of the foremost scholars on this and they've already said all of this for months and years.

They warned against any military action against Iran. But now too late for that.

Now they're warning against going up the escalation ladder.

Again, why name random people? Everybody thinks the same thing. But some people have decades of experience advising world leaders.

It was from the guardian. Maybe the others are seen as partisan, maybe they didn’t agree to an interview in the pre-dawn hours, who knows?

[Anonymous]

Apparently this a boomer war, only people over 60 approve:
“ The conflict’s anachronistic quality appears not just in the aging leaders who initiated it, but across the American body politic as well. The “Boomer war” approaches majority support only among Americans over 60. From there, its popularity falls with each younger cohort, until bottoming out around a mere one-in-five adults under 30”

Excerpt From
“Opinion | Trump is fighting a ‘Boomer war’ in Iran: a relic unpopular with anyone under 60”
Stephen Wertheim
The Guardian
https://apple.news/A691hsp0ZSdSIdbBbdgklcw
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