DA vs ECNL vs everything else

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:it has been said before and will be said again.......ecnl is for girls who think high school soccer is important - https://www.denverpost.com/2018/03/16/us-soccer-girls-development-academy-effect-high-school-soccer/

DA is for girls looking for a higher level of play.

Not really a big deal...... Ecnl fans should just accept that and stop being so defensive. Crap, some good people love rec ball and no need to beat up in them. Rec is not elite, and ECNL is not elite anymore, more like CCL1. That is not a put down, just a fact.

It is not really that big of a deal. Just accept it. DD is not doing ECNL, nor DA, even though she easily could.........





High level girls may want to play high school. High level girls may prefer the development approach of an ECNL coach over the DA options in the area. They may prefer neither DA nor ECNL and want to stay on their current team if the development is outstanding. It is area and team specific.

I have a daughter who may try out for DA (as it is our current club) but I certainly wouldn't change to DA and am considering leaving. Honestly it is about the coaching which really doesn't change with the DA label. And some clubs simply have better development than others.

This sounds like a post by a defensive DA parent pretending not to be. None of us know what is going to happen in this unfortunate soccer landscape even if you act like you have it all figured out.


Nothing that you have said contradicts the PP. It is you who seems to want people to still assign some status to your player when the PP was basically saying “do whatever floats your boat”. The PP said the following “it has been said before and will be said again.......ecnl is for girls who think high school soccer is important”. Nothing in that statement says a thing about the quality of the player it only says what the player values and nothing more. And then to say that DA is for high level players who do not value HS again only really addresses the fact that these players decided that they did not value HS soccer more than DA.

I believe both statements to be both accurate and non-judgmental.


Thank you. Yes, this is really a false "war" ........the new hierarchy is established and it is what it is. DA is on top and and focused on players who don't care about playing in high school ........ they are not trying to even hide that fact either! ....... Ther'll be plenty of great players who choose ECNL, CCL, WAGS or hell, even Rec. DA will not have every great players of course, but with USSF behind it, anyone who thinks ecnl and high school ball offers just as "elite" of a commitment, experience, and potential, is in complete denial about what has happened in girls soccer.

.......and Hey, to that PP, no one here is a defensive DA parent pretending not to be. talk about out to lunch! Our player got an offer to DA and turned it down (not for ECNL though, as the thought was why bother with those high costs when you can stay in WAGS/NCSL and still play in high school)

.......yes, everyone should do what is best for them ......... but there is no debate about where DA stands now for girls....... It is for girls who want a higher level of play then high school soccer. Not so hard to understand. So, if you love high school soccer, go for ecnl (lots of new clubs compared to the same # for DA)....... or save money and stick with a local travel league! That's what ours chose.
Anonymous
Have been at FCV for a while and they are very deceptive about their costs. They get you so many different directions. Sure total cost will be 3500. But that doesn't include any travel, uniforms or winter training. Have to pay for indoor space, all tournaments, coaches travel etc. through dues wihc is another 2500 this year. Plus the cost of all of us traveling around the country. My cost this year is about 7500. So it's double or more of what they tell you. Im guessing this is consistent with other programs around here.
Anonymous
Will ASA's DA be less?
Anonymous
No ASA will not be less. It all cost the same....give or take...its all expensive
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Have been at FCV for a while and they are very deceptive about their costs. They get you so many different directions. Sure total cost will be 3500. But that doesn't include any travel, uniforms or winter training. Have to pay for indoor space, all tournaments, coaches travel etc. through dues wihc is another 2500 this year. Plus the cost of all of us traveling around the country. My cost this year is about 7500. So it's double or more of what they tell you. Im guessing this is consistent with other programs around here.


Is this above about non ECNL current, previous years under ECNL or the current DA?
Anonymous
Not even a debate. Where would you rather play in June/July?

Sweltering humid armpit of Texas (ECNL)?

Or

Beautiful Carlsbad/Oceanside, San Diego (GDA)?

Check it out. Sitting in a sideline ice bath to avoid heatstroke in TX sounds lovely.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Not even a debate. Where would you rather play in June/July?

Sweltering humid armpit of Texas (ECNL)?

Or

Beautiful Carlsbad/Oceanside, San Diego (GDA)?

Check it out. Sitting in a sideline ice bath to avoid heatstroke in TX sounds lovely.



You're comparing apples to oranges. ECNL finals are in Seattle, WA.
Anonymous
Any reactions from DA fans on team following:

165 total number of kids participating in U15-U23 youth national teams.

CA-49
TX-12
GA-11
FL/NJ-9
CO-8
Mich-7
VA/WA-6
NC/OH-5
NY-4
HI/MA/Ill/KS/MD-3
AZ/UT-/CONN/WI/PA-2
Ind/ky/nm/sc/ok/tenn/or/kan/min-1

165 kids total...that's .000086% of a chance your kid will make the US YNT.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Any reactions from DA fans on team following:

165 total number of kids participating in U15-U23 youth national teams.

CA-49
TX-12
GA-11
FL/NJ-9
CO-8
Mich-7
VA/WA-6
NC/OH-5
NY-4
HI/MA/Ill/KS/MD-3
AZ/UT-/CONN/WI/PA-2
Ind/ky/nm/sc/ok/tenn/or/kan/min-1

165 kids total...that's .000086% of a chance your kid will make the US YNT.


So you're telling me there's a chance?

The thing that strikes me weird is the state groupings. Why is VA grouped with WA? What does MD have to do with HI? or KS? NC and OH? Huh?
Anonymous
surprised it is only 49......

Mommies and daddies in NoVA have never even seen a good CAL team play ...... if they ever did, they would be embarrassed they had spent all this time arguing between Girls non-DA or Elite Clubs whatever League

Hello,.... It doesn't matter ladies and gents, because it is the same old ccl clubs focusing on the same old crap soccer here. our coaching is not good enough, just sucks, you are just wasting your $ and we can't even catch NY/NJ
Anonymous
These inside the beltway clowns kill me. They are more focused on status than on developing players who can compete. They are into the new shiny toy.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Any reactions from DA fans on team following:

165 total number of kids participating in U15-U23 youth national teams.

CA-49
TX-12
GA-11
FL/NJ-9
CO-8
Mich-7
VA/WA-6
NC/OH-5
NY-4
HI/MA/Ill/KS/MD-3
AZ/UT-/CONN/WI/PA-2
Ind/ky/nm/sc/ok/tenn/or/kan/min-1

165 kids total...that's .000086% of a chance your kid will make the US YNT.


So you're telling me there's a chance?

The thing that strikes me weird is the state groupings. Why is VA grouped with WA? What does MD have to do with HI? or KS? NC and OH? Huh?


DP but it doesn't look like they're grouped, they're tied for that many players from their state. So both VA and WA have placed 6 players into YNT pools.
Anonymous
The last few posters are obvious rookies to Elite soccer.

#1: California is the girls youth capitol of the United States. They have and always will carry the top number. This will never change. EVER

#2: Girls are not playing DA to get on the YNT. Theyre playing it for college. The same reason they do/did ECNL. Stop being clowns about this.

#3: VA/WA both have 6 a piece. That's why they're grouped. You get a pass for that.

#4: COLLEGE COLLEGE COLLEGE. Being an invitee to a YNT ID session goes on the resume for college coaches. Same as 4.2 GPA.

#5: Playing GDA (ECNL) shows college coaches that you can play at the next level. The weeding system for the most part has already been done by the clubs at this point.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:surprised it is only 49......

Mommies and daddies in NoVA have never even seen a good CAL team play ...... if they ever did, they would be embarrassed they had spent all this time arguing between Girls non-DA or Elite Clubs whatever League

Hello,.... It doesn't matter ladies and gents, because it is the same old ccl clubs focusing on the same old crap soccer here. our coaching is not good enough, just sucks, you are just wasting your $ and we can't even catch NY/NJ


It appears to be in vogue here to crap on local soccer.

Consider some facts though. Much of this apparent discrepancy is likely a population density phenomenon. There are 13 ECNL and 17 GDA clubs in CA alone. 30 total. Virginia has 3 ECNL and 3 DA clubs this year. Total of 6. The majority of NT players likely come from these pools. Similarly CA has 5 times the population of VA, and 5 times the number of elite clubs. Even with that, they still have 8 times the number of NT players. That greater population is also more likely to yield better quality coaching. The rest could be scout density, more year round play, or just plain inertia. I doubt very much that the best coaches in CA are better than the best coaches in VA.
Anonymous
California has 40 million people, virginia 8.5m
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