2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are we 100% certain that this is the first sighting or attack, ever?

Definitely not the first sighting.

Multiple threads on the DisBoards talking about seeing gators inside Magic Kingdom, near splash mountain, by tom sawyers island, near this lagoon, on trails at wilderness lodge, etc. People make it sound like they were startled the first time, but have seen them during every visit. They must be everywhere.

Disney opted to forego posting signs, but they knew gators were a present threat.

I hope disney pays through the nose. This type of negligence is horrific.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:By the way, Disney does water sports too. They also have new bungalows built over the water where the child was killed.

And all of that is fine and normal. Kind of like how you swim in an ocean knowing Sharks could be there or hike in the woods that bears live in. We DO coexist with nature and take our chances that most often this is fine and nobody gets hurt. Accidents do happen though. Which this was.

[Anonymous]

I thought that everyone knew that gators "could" be anywhere in Florida. just like sharks could be in the ocean. just like forests have bears and the sky has lightening. I know these things and don't necessarily need signs to remind me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we 100% certain that this is the first sighting or attack, ever?

Definitely not the first sighting.

Multiple threads on the DisBoards talking about seeing gators inside Magic Kingdom, near splash mountain, by tom sawyers island, near this lagoon, on trails at wilderness lodge, etc. People make it sound like they were startled the first time, but have seen them during every visit. They must be everywhere.

Disney opted to forego posting signs, but they knew gators were a present threat.

I hope disney pays through the nose. This type of negligence is horrific.

HOW IS THIS NEGLIGENCE?? Alligators are everywhere in Florida!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought that everyone knew that gators "could" be anywhere in Florida. just like sharks could be in the ocean. just like forests have bears and the sky has lightening. I know these things and don't necessarily need signs to remind me.

consider the mental capacity of people who actually go to a Disney resort

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to read 47 pages but I'm sure I'm agreeing with someone that it's horrific and tragic, but it's a freak accident. There are bears in Virginia and while I've never seen one in my yard, a bear could certainly wander onto my property and hurt or kill me.

Stupid comment.

All disney had to do was post a sign about gators being present, and nobody would have been on that beach or near the lagoon. Of course, they didn't post a sign because they wanted people on that beach.

[Anonymous]

Actual Case (not mine) : $17.5 Million Dollar Verdict for the parents of a minor who drowned at a day care in Hallandale in Broward County, Fl. The parents sued the day care for not properly supervising the child.
Actual Case (not mine): $15 Million Dollar Verdict for child in whose medical provider failed to diagnose and treat his heart failure and the child died. Pinellas County, Florida.
Actual Case (not mine): $12 Million Dollar Verdict for pain and suffering for the parents of a 9 year-old boy who was killed when hit by a minivan while he was riding his bicycle in at a condominium complex in Palm Beach County, Florida.
Actual Case (not mine) : $10 Million Dollar Verdict for the parents of an 11-year-old child who was a passenger in his mother’s car when a drunk driver t-boned the car.
Actual Case (not mine): 9.25 million for the parents of a young girl who was killed when a traffic sign fell on her while she was driving beneath it. The Estate sued the Florida Department of Transportation in Palm Beach County, Florida.
Actual Case (not mine): $8.75 million for the parents of a child who was killed when someone did not stop at a red traffic light and the SUV crashed. Palm Beach County, Florida.
Actual Case (not mine): $8.1 million. Children were killed when their grandmother was driving a car that struck a guard rail and went into a canal.
Actual Case (not mine): $7.5 million. Child died when he was caught in a baby exercising device at someone’s home. The estate sued the manufacturer of the baby exerciser. Hillsborough County, Florida.
Actual Case (not mine) : $4.1 million in pain and suffering alone to the 40 year-old father of a 12 year old boy who was electrocuted because a bus stop in Miami-Dade County that had electrical wires that were exposed.
This verdict does not include the mother’s claim. She settled her case separately. The verdict was in 2005. The case is Cabrera v. Eller Media.
My thoughts: The jury basically awarded $111,000 per year for the pain and suffering that the father has and will have from his son’s death. I got this amount because the life expectancy of a man is about 77 years old.
http://www.justinziegler.net/pain-suffering-settlement-values-florida-wrongful-death-accidents/


wrongful death settlements Florida. Yes, Disney will pay ...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we 100% certain that this is the first sighting or attack, ever?

Definitely not the first sighting.

Multiple threads on the DisBoards talking about seeing gators inside Magic Kingdom, near splash mountain, by tom sawyers island, near this lagoon, on trails at wilderness lodge, etc. People make it sound like they were startled the first time, but have seen them during every visit. They must be everywhere.

Disney opted to forego posting signs, but they knew gators were a present threat.

I hope disney pays through the nose. This type of negligence is horrific.

HOW IS THIS NEGLIGENCE?? Alligators are everywhere in Florida!

There's an assumption that disney would take precautions in the lagoon they built on their private property. Otherwise, there would be signs like every other resort or water area in the state.

Disney is negligent. They can't pretend it's a freak accident when hundreds of people have posted on DisBoards that they've seen gators all over disney---including inside the freaking amusement park!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought that everyone knew that gators "could" be anywhere in Florida. just like sharks could be in the ocean. just like forests have bears and the sky has lightening. I know these things and don't necessarily need signs to remind me.

consider the mental capacity of people who actually go to a Disney resort

You are a horrible person to say this for so many reasons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are signs in the Lake that says "no swimming"

Yup. And they're spaced pretty closely apart - like 20 feet? You can see 2 signs in this picture.

You know what I don't see on this sign? "Gators in water. Beware."

Really? You must be either a lawyer or an Clinton supporter (definition of what "is" is)...

Gators are mobile and come and go from lakes all over Florida looking for food. No swimming means don't go into the water!

Ha! I am neither! Not a lawyer and a lifelong Republican.

You know what else I am: SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT KNOW GATOR PRACTICES. So if I see a sign telling me not to swim, I don't swim. But I might wade. Because the sign didn't say anything about gators. About which I know little.

I was just saying to a friend, two years ago, I probably would have waded, too. I moved to Florida a year and a half ago, and now I look at that body of water and see all the indicia of alligators (except the warning sign, that you'd expect here), so I'd know to stay out. Two years ago I probably woul have had no idea. I'd have waded, or let my dog wade (if dogs were allowed). I wouldn't have thought twice seeing a kid wade. And a "steep dropoff" sign wouldn't have scared me because I'm a good swimmer - so I might even have taken a dip.

Now I know better. But that's only because I live in Florida and have gotten used to things here. Tourists? It seems profoundly stupid to have an inviting body of water and not give better warnings about why they should stay out of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Putting alligators in a MAN-MADE lake at KIDS Disney resort is begging for a major lawsuit. Gross idiocy!!!!!!

They didn't put the alligators in the lake. The alligators traveled from other lakes bodies of water and moved to the man made lake. Alligators can move between bodies of water, and Orlando has over 100 lakes. They are wildlife, and you can't fully control wildlife, even as much as Disney wants to. There are some interesting books on the history of Disney and how much they try to control the environment within the parks, but this is one area where they can't fully control it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we 100% certain that this is the first sighting or attack, ever?

Definitely not the first sighting.

Multiple threads on the DisBoards talking about seeing gators inside Magic Kingdom, near splash mountain, by tom sawyers island, near this lagoon, on trails at wilderness lodge, etc. People make it sound like they were startled the first time, but have seen them during every visit. They must be everywhere.

Disney opted to forego posting signs, but they knew gators were a present threat.

I hope disney pays through the nose. This type of negligence is horrific.

HOW IS THIS NEGLIGENCE?? Alligators are everywhere in Florida!

Disney builds a beach resort by an alligator infested lagoon and tells families to come on down for family fun and fireworks. They do not warn anyone to beware of alligators. Also with small children running around on their "beach" they are asking for trouble.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Putting alligators in a MAN-MADE lake at KIDS Disney resort is begging for a major lawsuit. Gross idiocy!!!!!!

Disney didnt put the alligators in the lake. This isn't a Hunger Games-type attraction. The alligators found it on their own.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand this mindset that if something bad happens to you unexpectedly you feel entitled that someone should have predicted it and prevented it for you.

+1000. This is what's wrong with America. Should Disney have posted signs warning about alligators? Probably. But who is ultimately responsible for this tragedy? The parents who allowed their 2 y/o to wade/swim in 12 inches of water at 9:30 despite the "No swimming" signs. The average 2 y/o is about 2 feet & this child was in 1 foot of water at night. Of course something tragic could happen. Unfortunately, it did and the child paid the ultimate consequence. I don't understand how anyone could think Disney is responsible for this.[/quo

People like you scare the hell out of me. Heart of stone.

Seeing how newborns are born between 20-22", you are sorely mistaken on this manner. Try 34", but go on and pull false information out of your ass to try to backup your incredibly stupid comment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Actual Case (not mine) : $17.5 Million Dollar Verdict for the parents of a minor who drowned at a day care in Hallandale in Broward County, Fl. The parents sued the day care for not properly supervising the child.
Actual Case (not mine): $15 Million Dollar Verdict for child in whose medical provider failed to diagnose and treat his heart failure and the child died. Pinellas County, Florida.
Actual Case (not mine): $12 Million Dollar Verdict for pain and suffering for the parents of a 9 year-old boy who was killed when hit by a minivan while he was riding his bicycle in at a condominium complex in Palm Beach County, Florida.
Actual Case (not mine) : $10 Million Dollar Verdict for the parents of an 11-year-old child who was a passenger in his mother’s car when a drunk driver t-boned the car.
Actual Case (not mine): 9.25 million for the parents of a young girl who was killed when a traffic sign fell on her while she was driving beneath it. The Estate sued the Florida Department of Transportation in Palm Beach County, Florida.
Actual Case (not mine): $8.75 million for the parents of a child who was killed when someone did not stop at a red traffic light and the SUV crashed. Palm Beach County, Florida.
Actual Case (not mine): $8.1 million. Children were killed when their grandmother was driving a car that struck a guard rail and went into a canal.
Actual Case (not mine): $7.5 million. Child died when he was caught in a baby exercising device at someone’s home. The estate sued the manufacturer of the baby exerciser. Hillsborough County, Florida.
Actual Case (not mine) : $4.1 million in pain and suffering alone to the 40 year-old father of a 12 year old boy who was electrocuted because a bus stop in Miami-Dade County that had electrical wires that were exposed.
This verdict does not include the mother’s claim. She settled her case separately. The verdict was in 2005. The case is Cabrera v. Eller Media.
My thoughts: The jury basically awarded $111,000 per year for the pain and suffering that the father has and will have from his son’s death. I got this amount because the life expectancy of a man is about 77 years old.
http://www.justinziegler.net/pain-suffering-settlement-values-florida-wrongful-death-accidents/


wrongful death settlements Florida. Yes, Disney will pay ...

These numbers are NOTHING for Disney. On average, there are 50k visitors to just the Magic Kingdom daily; if on average they're paying $75/ticket (and I think it's higher than that) -- that's $3.75 million in 1 day ticket revenue at 1 park. 1 or 1.5 days of ticket revenues at 2 parks pays off the settlement or any jury award easily.