8 Skiers dead after accidental Avalanche in California!

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Anonymous wrote:This is absolutely davastating! my thoughts and prayers are with the families right now.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62dke15357o

Can you imagine heading out for a day of fun and then, THIS??

What is an "accidental" avalanche?

Versus a deliberately triggered avalanche.

But this was just an avalanche. It wasn't an "accidental avalanche." Shit just happens. There was no need whatsoever for the weird modifier.

Safety is never accidental.

It was this time. The male survivors were held back by their lack of skill and in one case struggling with a binding. They accidentally weren’t bunched directly in the path of the avalanche as the guides had the women. From that point on, led mostly by the electrician is the impression the NYT article leaves, they made good choices in rescue and survival. But their initial survival was entirely accidental.

No it wasn’t.

The phrase is Safety is No Accident.

None of them were thinking Safety, by virtue that they were out in severe avalanche and white out conditions.

The 2 solo men and 1 guide weren’t spared due to being extra safety-minded (they weren’t safety minded at all). One just had bad gear and was slowing the other two down.

That was exactly what I said in response to the PP who wrote Safety is never accidental
You are rewording exactly what I said- their safety and survival were accidental.

Lol.

They never had safety, accidentally or intentionally. The whole time.

They happened to live through the lack of safety and lack of being safe. But they never “had safety.”

Were they literally “safe” from that one avalanche at that one moment? Not really either.

None of us are safe right now. If it helps pps to focus instead on a ill-fated group of backcountry skiers, let them.

[Anonymous]

Some people will never learn. Here the guide, again, ignored the warnings and people died. Eventually it will probably just be banned because people can’t make good decisions.

https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/instructor-ignored-warning-not-to-ski-off-piste-before-avalanche-that-killed-two-brits/ar-AA1WrwZY

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Anonymous wrote:This is absolutely davastating! my thoughts and prayers are with the families right now.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62dke15357o

Can you imagine heading out for a day of fun and then, THIS??

What is an "accidental" avalanche?

Versus a deliberately triggered avalanche.

But this was just an avalanche. It wasn't an "accidental avalanche." Shit just happens. There was no need whatsoever for the weird modifier.

That makes it accidental vs avalanches that are triggered using techniques such as explosives to make skiiing areas more safe.

+1. The fact that some posters don’t even know this occurs explains so much about some of the commentary.

When skiers trigger an avalanche, that's not just accidental.

Exactly. The women triggered the avalanche.

Definitely not the conditions ripe for avalanches.

"Accidentally" means, by definition, unexpectedly or unintentionally. Is English your first language?

This avalanche wasn't unexpected. What are you talking about? There were avalanche warnings and predictions. So, exactly the opposite of an accident.

If that avalanche wasn't unexpected, why did the expert guides lead their clients through there? It was either accidental or negligence.

But they were highly intelligent, experienced back country skiers, right? They made the choice to go on a ski trip when extreme weather conditions and chance of svalanches had been predicted for a week. Or they weren't smart and experienced enough to look at weather reports? Which is it?

Clearly the guides' decisionmaking was lacking.

What about the decision making of the skiers who embarked on the trip?

Read the NYT article. The guides told them they had to leave in a hurry. There wasn’t room for a discussion.

The decision-making to take this trip befire they left home despite a week's warning of predicted severe weather and very heavy snowfall.

So what’s your point? That you’re smarter than these people? Good for you, I guess, if that’s what you need to feel better about yourself.

Some people get off on being a sanctimonious, judgmental cnt.

Aren’t you the one crying about misogyny in here? You really have an interesting way with words and expressing yourself. Too bad nobody takes orders from you or cares.

DP here. There are a number of posters here that have called out the misogyny in this thread.

Not allowed to criricize women.

It’s paternalism. Gross.

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Anonymous wrote:This is absolutely davastating! my thoughts and prayers are with the families right now.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62dke15357o

Can you imagine heading out for a day of fun and then, THIS??

What is an "accidental" avalanche?

Versus a deliberately triggered avalanche.

But this was just an avalanche. It wasn't an "accidental avalanche." Shit just happens. There was no need whatsoever for the weird modifier.

That makes it accidental vs avalanches that are triggered using techniques such as explosives to make skiiing areas more safe.

+1. The fact that some posters don’t even know this occurs explains so much about some of the commentary.

When skiers trigger an avalanche, that's not just accidental.

Exactly. The women triggered the avalanche.

Definitely not the conditions ripe for avalanches.

"Accidentally" means, by definition, unexpectedly or unintentionally. Is English your first language?

This avalanche wasn't unexpected. What are you talking about? There were avalanche warnings and predictions. So, exactly the opposite of an accident.

If that avalanche wasn't unexpected, why did the expert guides lead their clients through there? It was either accidental or negligence.

But they were highly intelligent, experienced back country skiers, right? They made the choice to go on a ski trip when extreme weather conditions and chance of svalanches had been predicted for a week. Or they weren't smart and experienced enough to look at weather reports? Which is it?

Clearly the guides' decisionmaking was lacking.

What about the decision making of the skiers who embarked on the trip?

Read the NYT article. The guides told them they had to leave in a hurry. There wasn’t room for a discussion.

The decision-making to take this trip befire they left home despite a week's warning of predicted severe weather and very heavy snowfall.

So what’s your point? That you’re smarter than these people? Good for you, I guess, if that’s what you need to feel better about yourself.

Is heeding weather reports that everyone can read what you call smarter? Okay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The women and men knew the risks. They had passed avalanche training courses. They were required to carry shovels, probes and beepers used after avalanches to find people buried.

Skiing back country is by definition skiing with high level risk of avalanches.

It was the allure of the back country powder.

+1 Ignore the risks. Ignore the weather forecasts. Do what you want.

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Anonymous wrote:Bad judgment is not an accident, it’s negligence.

+1 Some people never want to accept resposibility for their choices and the results of their decisions.

You mean the dead ones?

Well people keep saying their families should sue. That’s not accepting responsibility.

So you’re slandering people who died based on what DCUM idiots say their families should do? Got it.

Who is slandering? It’s a true statement. It was objectively bad judgement to go out in that storm. It’s not a matter of opinion!

+1 for sure!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some people will never learn. Here the guide, again, ignored the warnings and people died. Eventually it will probably just be banned because people can’t make good decisions.

https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/instructor-ignored-warning-not-to-ski-off-piste-before-avalanche-that-killed-two-brits/ar-AA1WrwZY

Hubris all around with all these "accomplished, experienced" skiers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some people will never learn. Here the guide, again, ignored the warnings and people died. Eventually it will probably just be banned because people can’t make good decisions.

https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/instructor-ignored-warning-not-to-ski-off-piste-before-avalanche-that-killed-two-brits/ar-AA1WrwZY

Banned by whom? And who would enforce this ban?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some people will never learn. Here the guide, again, ignored the warnings and people died. Eventually it will probably just be banned because people can’t make good decisions.

https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/instructor-ignored-warning-not-to-ski-off-piste-before-avalanche-that-killed-two-brits/ar-AA1WrwZY

Banned by whom? And who would enforce this ban?

Put some thought into it, you might be able to figure it out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people will never learn. Here the guide, again, ignored the warnings and people died. Eventually it will probably just be banned because people can’t make good decisions.

https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/instructor-ignored-warning-not-to-ski-off-piste-before-avalanche-that-killed-two-brits/ar-AA1WrwZY

Banned by whom? And who would enforce this ban?

Put some thought into it, you might be able to figure it out.

You haven't been paying attention. Our government has defunded the national parks.

[Anonymous]

Ban it. Don’t ban it. Who cares? Darwinism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people will never learn. Here the guide, again, ignored the warnings and people died. Eventually it will probably just be banned because people can’t make good decisions.

https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/instructor-ignored-warning-not-to-ski-off-piste-before-avalanche-that-killed-two-brits/ar-AA1WrwZY

Banned by whom? And who would enforce this ban?

Put some thought into it, you might be able to figure it out.

You haven't been paying attention. Our government has defunded the national parks.

Are the backcountry guides a legit business or not?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The women and men knew the risks. They had passed avalanche training courses. They were required to carry shovels, probes and beepers used after avalanches to find people buried.

Skiing back country is by definition skiing with high level risk of avalanches.

It was the allure of the back country powder.

+1 Ignore the risks. Ignore the weather forecasts. Do what you want.

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Outsmart the weather and snow drifts on the side of a mountain. Yeah. It all makes sense now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ban it. Don’t ban it. Who cares? Darwinism.

This too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people will never learn. Here the guide, again, ignored the warnings and people died. Eventually it will probably just be banned because people can’t make good decisions.

https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/instructor-ignored-warning-not-to-ski-off-piste-before-avalanche-that-killed-two-brits/ar-AA1WrwZY

Banned by whom? And who would enforce this ban?

Put some thought into it, you might be able to figure it out.

You haven't been paying attention. Our government has defunded the national parks.

Are the backcountry guides a legit business or not?

Legit in what sense?