8 Skiers dead after accidental Avalanche in California!
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Anonymous
That was exactly what I said in response to the PP who wrote Safety is never accidental You are rewording exactly what I said- their safety and survival were accidental. |
Anonymous
+1 Some people never want to accept resposibility for their choices and the results of their decisions. |
Anonymous
You mean the dead ones? |
Anonymous
Lol. They never had safety, accidentally or intentionally. The whole time. They happened to live through the lack of safety and lack of being safe. But they never “had safety.” Were they literally “safe” from that one avalanche at that one moment? Not really either. |
Anonymous
They miscalculated where they were relative to the runout area of the slope. It was estimated that another 100 yards out and they would have avoided the avalanche path. It was probably difficult to determine in the whiteout, so they shouldn’t have been out in those conditions. |
Anonymous
Well people keep saying their families should sue. That’s not accepting responsibility. |
Anonymous
So what’s your point? That you’re smarter than these people? Good for you, I guess, if that’s what you need to feel better about yourself. |
Anonymous
Is it a cautionary tale for you? Were you planning to go back country skiing? I dare guess that you don’t engage in much thoughtful consideration regarding the decisions you make on a regular basis and yet you like to sit in judgment of people who make decisions you wouldn’t and then something bad befalls them. If you have nothing to learn from this then maybe this isn’t the thread for you. |
Anonymous
So you’re slandering people who died based on what DCUM idiots say their families should do? Got it. |
Anonymous
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The women and men knew the risks. They had passed avalanche training courses. They were required to carry shovels, probes and beepers used after avalanches to find people buried.
Skiing back country is by definition skiing with high level risk of avalanches. It was the allure of the back country powder. |
Anonymous
Who is slandering? It’s a true statement. It was objectively bad judgement to go out in that storm. It’s not a matter of opinion! |
Anonymous
(And technically it would be libel and not slander anyway.) |
Anonymous
There were three fatalities that same week inbounds of ski areas (2 at Heavenly, 1 at Northstar). DH himself pulled someone out of a tree well at Palisades, and there were a few other successful rescues that week as well. While I'm fairly certain I would not have gone out backcountry skiing in those conditions, as a grad student I would ski Tuckerman's Ravine in the middle of a NorEaster which carries a very different set of risks. There is a lot that is unknown about what happened, and it also raises a lot of questions about shared responsibility with paid guides. I've only used paid guides twice, for relatively safe activities in foreign countries where I didn't know the landscape. I'm interested in how this plays out, since it hits very close to home for me. But I would disagree with anyone who suggests anything about this trip is obvious, especially since there is a lot more information to come out (most importantly whatever the surviving guide says). |
Anonymous
I’m sorry you recently learned about avalanches. There are probably a lot of other gaps in your knowledge. See also: what does accident mean? |
Anonymous
Your attempt to shut down the conversation is ridculous. Just sit this one out if you can’t handle it. |