8 Skiers dead after accidental Avalanche in California!

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Anonymous wrote:Although probably some of you pedantic posters would argue that the woman who died during a tornado because a tree fell in her house wasn’t a victim since “she cHoSe to live in a place with tornados” or “she chose to have trees within the vicinity of her house”

It makes them feel safe to figure out why everyone who has a tragedy was somehow responsible.

This exactly.

It us called the Just World Hypothesis (a psychological defense mechanism).

See also, Fundamental Attribution Error.

Or maybe it makes the thrill seekers feel better that nothing is in their control. No free will. It’s all pre determined.

Nope, it’s the other way around, especially on this thread.

You mean the people crying "can you even leave your house!" when people say think a little first? Because clearly there is no gray space between being sane and throwing all caution to the wind.

You can think all you want about each of your activities. You can also come to a different conclusion than someone else. What I think is rude is blaming the people who died when you weren’t in their position, you don’t have all the information, and no one cares about your opinion.

You do. Clearly. You can't stand the fact that people are judging people who disregard warnings. You aren't going to change minds by continually arguing. Bad decisions were made, tragedy ensued in a completely foreseeable situation.

It was obviously not completely forseeable because I don't believe the people who died had a death wish. And multiple disagree with you, by the way. Or at least are trying to tell you you're a jacka$$.

No pretty sure it's just you. The people involve made tragic errors. Not unlike the deaths that occur on Everest. You seem really ignorant about the psychology of events like this. it's obvious why.

DP. Wrong again. Ask Jeff if you don't believe multiple posters disagree with you.

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It’s disgusting.

I really don't care because I see multiple people saying this was a stupid move. So much so that it's being investigated for negligence. Chew on that.

https://www.kqed.org/news/12074177/california-authorities-launch-investigation-of-criminal-negligence-in-deadly-tahoe-avalanche

That article is old (from Feb 21 before the bodies were even recovered) and doesn’t really say anything much. It says the investigation is just standard procedure and there is no indication if charges will even be filed.

Weird considering you're saying that it's just rude to even question them.

I’m not that poster and didn’t say it was rude to question them. Just saying your article doesn’t say what you seem to be implying.

I'm sure it will all be sorted out in the wrongful death lawsuits and we can talk about that later as much as it upsets people here.

And when the guide company just declares bankruptcy instead?

They won’t be leading anyone to their death. And good luck getting insurance next time.

They won’t anyway. Most of them are dead.

Au contraire. Sounds like a few people in here would make great guides. It takes little common sense, some 'experience', and lots of bravado. No lessons will be learned.

I’m fine with that. It doesn’t affect me. Unlike all the political lessons not being learned which DO affect me.

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Anonymous wrote:Although probably some of you pedantic posters would argue that the woman who died during a tornado because a tree fell in her house wasn’t a victim since “she cHoSe to live in a place with tornados” or “she chose to have trees within the vicinity of her house”

It makes them feel safe to figure out why everyone who has a tragedy was somehow responsible.

This exactly.

It us called the Just World Hypothesis (a psychological defense mechanism).

See also, Fundamental Attribution Error.

Or maybe it makes the thrill seekers feel better that nothing is in their control. No free will. It’s all pre determined.

Nope, it’s the other way around, especially on this thread.

You mean the people crying "can you even leave your house!" when people say think a little first? Because clearly there is no gray space between being sane and throwing all caution to the wind.

You can think all you want about each of your activities. You can also come to a different conclusion than someone else. What I think is rude is blaming the people who died when you weren’t in their position, you don’t have all the information, and no one cares about your opinion.

You do. Clearly. You can't stand the fact that people are judging people who disregard warnings. You aren't going to change minds by continually arguing. Bad decisions were made, tragedy ensued in a completely foreseeable situation.

It was obviously not completely forseeable because I don't believe the people who died had a death wish. And multiple disagree with you, by the way. Or at least are trying to tell you you're a jacka$$.

No pretty sure it's just you. The people involve made tragic errors. Not unlike the deaths that occur on Everest. You seem really ignorant about the psychology of events like this. it's obvious why.

DP. Wrong again. Ask Jeff if you don't believe multiple posters disagree with you.

+2

It’s disgusting.

I really don't care because I see multiple people saying this was a stupid move. So much so that it's being investigated for negligence. Chew on that.

https://www.kqed.org/news/12074177/california-authorities-launch-investigation-of-criminal-negligence-in-deadly-tahoe-avalanche

That article is old (from Feb 21 before the bodies were even recovered) and doesn’t really say anything much. It says the investigation is just standard procedure and there is no indication if charges will even be filed.

Weird considering you're saying that it's just rude to even question them.

I’m not that poster and didn’t say it was rude to question them. Just saying your article doesn’t say what you seem to be implying.

I'm sure it will all be sorted out in the wrongful death lawsuits and we can talk about that later as much as it upsets people here.

And when the guide company just declares bankruptcy instead?

They won’t be leading anyone to their death. And good luck getting insurance next time.

Next time, hire guides to take you water skiing when a hurricane is off shore. Exciting!

At 4" of snow per hour would roughly be the same as water skiing in 0.4" of rain per hour. Your boat driver is going to have limited visibility, but who cares. No one else will be out there.

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Anonymous wrote:Although probably some of you pedantic posters would argue that the woman who died during a tornado because a tree fell in her house wasn’t a victim since “she cHoSe to live in a place with tornados” or “she chose to have trees within the vicinity of her house”

It makes them feel safe to figure out why everyone who has a tragedy was somehow responsible.

This exactly.

It us called the Just World Hypothesis (a psychological defense mechanism).

See also, Fundamental Attribution Error.

Or maybe it makes the thrill seekers feel better that nothing is in their control. No free will. It’s all pre determined.

Nope, it’s the other way around, especially on this thread.

You mean the people crying "can you even leave your house!" when people say think a little first? Because clearly there is no gray space between being sane and throwing all caution to the wind.

You can think all you want about each of your activities. You can also come to a different conclusion than someone else. What I think is rude is blaming the people who died when you weren’t in their position, you don’t have all the information, and no one cares about your opinion.

You do. Clearly. You can't stand the fact that people are judging people who disregard warnings. You aren't going to change minds by continually arguing. Bad decisions were made, tragedy ensued in a completely foreseeable situation.

It was obviously not completely forseeable because I don't believe the people who died had a death wish. And multiple disagree with you, by the way. Or at least are trying to tell you you're a jacka$$.

No pretty sure it's just you. The people involve made tragic errors. Not unlike the deaths that occur on Everest. You seem really ignorant about the psychology of events like this. it's obvious why.

DP. Wrong again. Ask Jeff if you don't believe multiple posters disagree with you.

+2

It’s disgusting.

I really don't care because I see multiple people saying this was a stupid move. So much so that it's being investigated for negligence. Chew on that.

https://www.kqed.org/news/12074177/california-authorities-launch-investigation-of-criminal-negligence-in-deadly-tahoe-avalanche

That article is old (from Feb 21 before the bodies were even recovered) and doesn’t really say anything much. It says the investigation is just standard procedure and there is no indication if charges will even be filed.

Weird considering you're saying that it's just rude to even question them.

I’m not that poster and didn’t say it was rude to question them. Just saying your article doesn’t say what you seem to be implying.

I'm sure it will all be sorted out in the wrongful death lawsuits and we can talk about that later as much as it upsets people here.

And when the guide company just declares bankruptcy instead?

They won’t be leading anyone to their death. And good luck getting insurance next time.

Next time, hire guides to take you water skiing when a hurricane is off shore. Exciting!

At 4" of snow per hour would roughly be the same as water skiing in 0.4" of rain per hour. Your boat driver is going to have limited visibility, but who cares. No one else will be out there.

Lightning and hurricane winds of 100 to 150 mph... invigorating. Enjoy!

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Anonymous wrote:Although probably some of you pedantic posters would argue that the woman who died during a tornado because a tree fell in her house wasn’t a victim since “she cHoSe to live in a place with tornados” or “she chose to have trees within the vicinity of her house”

It makes them feel safe to figure out why everyone who has a tragedy was somehow responsible.

This exactly.

It us called the Just World Hypothesis (a psychological defense mechanism).

See also, Fundamental Attribution Error.

Or maybe it makes the thrill seekers feel better that nothing is in their control. No free will. It’s all pre determined.

Nope, it’s the other way around, especially on this thread.

You mean the people crying "can you even leave your house!" when people say think a little first? Because clearly there is no gray space between being sane and throwing all caution to the wind.

You can think all you want about each of your activities. You can also come to a different conclusion than someone else. What I think is rude is blaming the people who died when you weren’t in their position, you don’t have all the information, and no one cares about your opinion.

You do. Clearly. You can't stand the fact that people are judging people who disregard warnings. You aren't going to change minds by continually arguing. Bad decisions were made, tragedy ensued in a completely foreseeable situation.

It was obviously not completely forseeable because I don't believe the people who died had a death wish. And multiple disagree with you, by the way. Or at least are trying to tell you you're a jacka$$.

No pretty sure it's just you. The people involve made tragic errors. Not unlike the deaths that occur on Everest. You seem really ignorant about the psychology of events like this. it's obvious why.

DP. Wrong again. Ask Jeff if you don't believe multiple posters disagree with you.

+2

It’s disgusting.

I really don't care because I see multiple people saying this was a stupid move. So much so that it's being investigated for negligence. Chew on that.

https://www.kqed.org/news/12074177/california-authorities-launch-investigation-of-criminal-negligence-in-deadly-tahoe-avalanche

That article is old (from Feb 21 before the bodies were even recovered) and doesn’t really say anything much. It says the investigation is just standard procedure and there is no indication if charges will even be filed.

Weird considering you're saying that it's just rude to even question them.

I’m not that poster and didn’t say it was rude to question them. Just saying your article doesn’t say what you seem to be implying.

I'm sure it will all be sorted out in the wrongful death lawsuits and we can talk about that later as much as it upsets people here.

And when the guide company just declares bankruptcy instead?

They won’t be leading anyone to their death. And good luck getting insurance next time.

They won’t anyway. Most of them are dead.

Au contraire. Sounds like a few people in here would make great guides. It takes little common sense, some 'experience', and lots of bravado. No lessons will be learned.

I’m fine with that. It doesn’t affect me. Unlike all the political lessons not being learned which DO affect me.

Cool, so maybe post there? Weird that you're interested in spending time on things that don't affect you.

[Anonymous]

Woman visiting Norway was caught in a level 3 avalanche with 12 other backcountry skiers on a guided tour:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVsuygnDfgl

Her biggest regret? Trusting her guides who blew her off three times when she spoke up about risks.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVyTqqpjZev

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Woman visiting Norway was caught in a level 3 avalanche with 12 other backcountry skiers on a guided tour:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVsuygnDfgl

Her biggest regret? Trusting her guides who blew her off three times when she spoke up about risks.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVyTqqpjZev

Backcountry skiing is a known risky activity. Don't hire guides and just go out with skiing buddies. If an avalanche occurs or obstacles are hidden in the snow, "C'est la vie!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Woman visiting Norway was caught in a level 3 avalanche with 12 other backcountry skiers on a guided tour:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVsuygnDfgl

Her biggest regret? Trusting her guides who blew her off three times when she spoke up about risks.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVyTqqpjZev

She didn't even look at the weather forecast?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Woman visiting Norway was caught in a level 3 avalanche with 12 other backcountry skiers on a guided tour:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVsuygnDfgl

Her biggest regret? Trusting her guides who blew her off three times when she spoke up about risks.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVyTqqpjZev

She didn't even look at the weather forecast?

It seems that the weather was fine.

She didn’t look at the avalanche warning report. She assumed guides would’ve handled that and called it off if too risky.

Further, the local avalanche warning reports are likely in Norwegian, you need to know which hyper-local government agency has the most accurate report, etc. A national avalanche report won’t be that accurate for local conditions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Woman visiting Norway was caught in a level 3 avalanche with 12 other backcountry skiers on a guided tour:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVsuygnDfgl

Her biggest regret? Trusting her guides who blew her off three times when she spoke up about risks.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVyTqqpjZev

She didn't even look at the weather forecast?

It seems that the weather was fine.

She didn’t look at the avalanche warning report. She assumed guides would’ve handled that and called it off if too risky.

Further, the local avalanche warning reports are likely in Norwegian, you need to know which hyper-local government agency has the most accurate report, etc. A national avalanche report won’t be that accurate for local conditions.

Each to his own.

[Anonymous]

If you know anything about Norway you should know that the conditions can change dramatically and quickly. If you don’t know anything about Norway, probably don’t go back country skiing or hiking there.

[Anonymous]

This is all because people are too rich and important to just ski at avalanche-controlled ski resorts with the steerage.