Fed Government Shutdown 2025: non-political thread

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a democrat and emailed Van Hollen and Alsobrooks asking them to vote to reopen the government.

It is not their job to do that.

You failed 5th grade???? Republicans have the Majority in both Houses. Dems don't have to do a dam thing.

And BS you are a Democrat.

Different democrat here. And whether you like it or not, it’s Dem no votes that have blocked opening the government at this point.

There are multiple ways to “open the government”. One way is for the Republicans — the majority party in both the House and the Senate — to vote to open it. Heck, the House hasn’t even met as a group to discuss it in weeks. The Republicans would like their plan to withhold food benefits from people who need them to force the Democrats to stop pushing for affordable healthcare. Starve or suffer. The Republican Party of “family values” is spending our tax dollars on breaks for the already wealthy. That’s not what most Americans want or value.

I’m sure you’re trying, but it’s obvious that you’re lying about your party affiliation. Details matter.

No, my party affiliation is stated accurately. I’m just not a hyper partisan like you.

There is no Republican Party it’s party of Putin liars and criminals anti American

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a democrat and emailed Van Hollen and Alsobrooks asking them to vote to reopen the government.

It is not their job to do that.

You failed 5th grade???? Republicans have the Majority in both Houses. Dems don't have to do a dam thing.

And BS you are a Democrat.

Different democrat here. And whether you like it or not, it’s Dem no votes that have blocked opening the government at this point.

There are multiple ways to “open the government”. One way is for the Republicans — the majority party in both the House and the Senate — to vote to open it. Heck, the House hasn’t even met as a group to discuss it in weeks. The Republicans would like their plan to withhold food benefits from people who need them to force the Democrats to stop pushing for affordable healthcare. Starve or suffer. The Republican Party of “family values” is spending our tax dollars on breaks for the already wealthy. That’s not what most Americans want or value.

I’m sure you’re trying, but it’s obvious that you’re lying about your party affiliation. Details matter.

No, my party affiliation is stated accurately. I’m just not a hyper partisan like you.

There is no Republican Party it’s party of Putin liars and criminals anti American

And what does that have to do with some democrats saying the Dems should vote to open the government?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a democrat and emailed Van Hollen and Alsobrooks asking them to vote to reopen the government.

It is not their job to do that.

You failed 5th grade???? Republicans have the Majority in both Houses. Dems don't have to do a dam thing.

And BS you are a Democrat.

Different democrat here. And whether you like it or not, it’s Dem no votes that have blocked opening the government at this point.

There are multiple ways to “open the government”. One way is for the Republicans — the majority party in both the House and the Senate — to vote to open it. Heck, the House hasn’t even met as a group to discuss it in weeks. The Republicans would like their plan to withhold food benefits from people who need them to force the Democrats to stop pushing for affordable healthcare. Starve or suffer. The Republican Party of “family values” is spending our tax dollars on breaks for the already wealthy. That’s not what most Americans want or value.

I’m sure you’re trying, but it’s obvious that you’re lying about your party affiliation. Details matter.

No, my party affiliation is stated accurately. I’m just not a hyper partisan like you.

There is no Republican Party it’s party of Putin liars and criminals anti American

And what does that have to do with some democrats saying the Dems should vote to open the government?

Nothing.

No matter what that op says, I did write my senators for them to vote to open and I AM a Maryland Dem. It is time to reopen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a democrat and emailed Van Hollen and Alsobrooks asking them to vote to reopen the government.

It is not their job to do that.

You failed 5th grade???? Republicans have the Majority in both Houses. Dems don't have to do a dam thing.

And BS you are a Democrat.

Different democrat here. And whether you like it or not, it’s Dem no votes that have blocked opening the government at this point.

There are multiple ways to “open the government”. One way is for the Republicans — the majority party in both the House and the Senate — to vote to open it. Heck, the House hasn’t even met as a group to discuss it in weeks. The Republicans would like their plan to withhold food benefits from people who need them to force the Democrats to stop pushing for affordable healthcare. Starve or suffer. The Republican Party of “family values” is spending our tax dollars on breaks for the already wealthy. That’s not what most Americans want or value.

I’m sure you’re trying, but it’s obvious that you’re lying about your party affiliation. Details matter.

No, my party affiliation is stated accurately. I’m just not a hyper partisan like you.

There is no Republican Party it’s party of Putin liars and criminals anti American

And what does that have to do with some democrats saying the Dems should vote to open the government?

Nothing.

No matter what that op says, I did write my senators for them to vote to open and I AM a Maryland Dem. It is time to reopen.

but Dems need a way to turn this into a 'win' for themselves. i just don't see how.

[Anonymous]

I’m a fed who thinks that Dems need to hold firm until Repubs include provisions assuring what they agree to will be made to happen (no impoundments, etc), backpay for all Feds (and preferably contractors), and a temporary extension of the ACA subsidies long enough for the Repubs’ purportedly “secret” healthcare plan to be voted on. Repubs can re-open the government by nuking the filibuster or otherwise compromising with Dems. And the House should be back in DC immediately to work on actual funding bills or another CR given the pending bill expires 11/21.

[Anonymous]

Dems need to hold firm until Repubs include provisions assuring what they agree to will be made to happen (no impoundments, etc),

Impoundment and use of the apportionment authority will be decided by the courts, not Congress. You can’t address major constitutional and policy questions in a CR.

[Anonymous]

We’re in a shutdown, that’s why they have minimal staff.

And if you can’t see the political difference between this and past shutdowns, you are being obtuse.

Senate staff aren’t being paid, but surely constituent services are an excepted function? I mean, I’m being required to report to work every day without pay, so they should as well.

We are in the midst of a constitutional restructuring. The remedy for the executive’s usurpation of spending authority is for Congress to assert its authority and appropriate, preferably by passing actual spending bills, not for Congress to sit on the sidelines because it’s been taken offline by a shutdown. The Dems are playing into OMB’s hands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

We’re in a shutdown, that’s why they have minimal staff.

And if you can’t see the political difference between this and past shutdowns, you are being obtuse.

Senate staff aren’t being paid, but surely constituent services are an excepted function? I mean, I’m being required to report to work every day without pay, so they should as well.

We are in the midst of a constitutional restructuring. The remedy for the executive’s usurpation of spending authority is for Congress to assert its authority and appropriate, preferably by passing actual spending bills, not for Congress to sit on the sidelines because it’s been taken offline by a shutdown. The Dems are playing into OMB’s hands.

And how, pretell, is folding and getting no concessions from the Republicans not playing into OMB’s hands?

In a regular negotiation, if you want something from a party (votes), you typically negotiate. The Republicans have chosen to wait the Democrats out. It makes no sense to concede. They can let the Republicans eliminate the filibuster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a democrat and emailed Van Hollen and Alsobrooks asking them to vote to reopen the government.

It is not their job to do that.

You failed 5th grade???? Republicans have the Majority in both Houses. Dems don't have to do a dam thing.

And BS you are a Democrat.

Different democrat here. And whether you like it or not, it’s Dem no votes that have blocked opening the government at this point.

There are multiple ways to “open the government”. One way is for the Republicans — the majority party in both the House and the Senate — to vote to open it. Heck, the House hasn’t even met as a group to discuss it in weeks. The Republicans would like their plan to withhold food benefits from people who need them to force the Democrats to stop pushing for affordable healthcare. Starve or suffer. The Republican Party of “family values” is spending our tax dollars on breaks for the already wealthy. That’s not what most Americans want or value.

I’m sure you’re trying, but it’s obvious that you’re lying about your party affiliation. Details matter.

No, my party affiliation is stated accurately. I’m just not a hyper partisan like you.

There is no Republican Party it’s party of Putin liars and criminals anti American

And what does that have to do with some democrats saying the Dems should vote to open the government?

Nothing.

No matter what that op says, I did write my senators for them to vote to open and I AM a Maryland Dem. It is time to reopen.

Me too. I called both senators and told them my opinion. I ask what is their exit strategy. Their staffs have no acceptable answers. I am dumbfounded. The democrats lost this battle and federal employees and the American people are the ones that are suffering. It is disgraceful that federal employees are in food pantry lines and do not have funds to pay their bills. It has been over a month, they need to reopen this week.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know when the next vote is? I assume both parties are going to wait to see how they fare in tomorrow’s elections before any headway is made.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know when the next vote is? I assume both parties are going to wait to see how they fare in tomorrow’s elections before any headway is made.

It’s not today. They convene at 3 and are not s heckled to vote on anything of substance. So we are shut on Tuesday at the least, making this the longest shutdown ever! So much winning!!!! /s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know when the next vote is? I assume both parties are going to wait to see how they fare in tomorrow’s elections before any headway is made.

The Senate has a vote today on the same CR, I think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a democrat and emailed Van Hollen and Alsobrooks asking them to vote to reopen the government.

It is not their job to do that.

You failed 5th grade???? Republicans have the Majority in both Houses. Dems don't have to do a dam thing.

And BS you are a Democrat.

Different democrat here. And whether you like it or not, it’s Dem no votes that have blocked opening the government at this point.

There are multiple ways to “open the government”. One way is for the Republicans — the majority party in both the House and the Senate — to vote to open it. Heck, the House hasn’t even met as a group to discuss it in weeks. The Republicans would like their plan to withhold food benefits from people who need them to force the Democrats to stop pushing for affordable healthcare. Starve or suffer. The Republican Party of “family values” is spending our tax dollars on breaks for the already wealthy. That’s not what most Americans want or value.

I’m sure you’re trying, but it’s obvious that you’re lying about your party affiliation. Details matter.

No, my party affiliation is stated accurately. I’m just not a hyper partisan like you.

There is no Republican Party it’s party of Putin liars and criminals anti American

And what does that have to do with some democrats saying the Dems should vote to open the government?

Nothing.

No matter what that op says, I did write my senators for them to vote to open and I AM a Maryland Dem. It is time to reopen.

Me too. I called both senators and told them my opinion. I ask what is their exit strategy. Their staffs have no acceptable answers. I am dumbfounded. The democrats lost this battle and federal employees and the American people are the ones that are suffering. It is disgraceful that federal employees are in food pantry lines and do not have funds to pay their bills. It has been over a month, they need to reopen this week.

Is this true though? The American people clearly don’t give two craps about federal employees but are somewhat concerned about the government shutdown. The Republicans control the government and this looks pretty bad for them. Overall, despite the lack of organization this is a win for the democrats. It’s at federal employee expense that’s all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a democrat and emailed Van Hollen and Alsobrooks asking them to vote to reopen the government.

It is not their job to do that.

You failed 5th grade???? Republicans have the Majority in both Houses. Dems don't have to do a dam thing.

And BS you are a Democrat.

Different democrat here. And whether you like it or not, it’s Dem no votes that have blocked opening the government at this point.

There are multiple ways to “open the government”. One way is for the Republicans — the majority party in both the House and the Senate — to vote to open it. Heck, the House hasn’t even met as a group to discuss it in weeks. The Republicans would like their plan to withhold food benefits from people who need them to force the Democrats to stop pushing for affordable healthcare. Starve or suffer. The Republican Party of “family values” is spending our tax dollars on breaks for the already wealthy. That’s not what most Americans want or value.

I’m sure you’re trying, but it’s obvious that you’re lying about your party affiliation. Details matter.

No, my party affiliation is stated accurately. I’m just not a hyper partisan like you.

There is no Republican Party it’s party of Putin liars and criminals anti American

And what does that have to do with some democrats saying the Dems should vote to open the government?

Nothing.

No matter what that op says, I did write my senators for them to vote to open and I AM a Maryland Dem. It is time to reopen.

Me too. I called both senators and told them my opinion. I ask what is their exit strategy. Their staffs have no acceptable answers. I am dumbfounded. The democrats lost this battle and federal employees and the American people are the ones that are suffering. It is disgraceful that federal employees are in food pantry lines and do not have funds to pay their bills. It has been over a month, they need to reopen this week.

Is this true though? The American people clearly don’t give two craps about federal employees but are somewhat concerned about the government shutdown. The Republicans control the government and this looks pretty bad for them. Overall, despite the lack of organization this is a win for the democrats. It’s at federal employee expense that’s all.

DP but are people concerned about the shutdown? I only had one friend out of DC area who asked me how I was doing with the shutdown. I am not sure others even know what is going on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a fed who thinks that Dems need to hold firm until Repubs include provisions assuring what they agree to will be made to happen (no impoundments, etc), backpay for all Feds (and preferably contractors), and a temporary extension of the ACA subsidies long enough for the Repubs’ purportedly “secret” healthcare plan to be voted on. Repubs can re-open the government by nuking the filibuster or otherwise compromising with Dems. And the House should be back in DC immediately to work on actual funding bills or another CR given the pending bill expires 11/21.

The GOP eliminating the filibuster would be a fantastic win for Democrats. When is the next time you think Democrats will have 60 votes in the Senate? With the outsized influence of rural, conservative states in the Senate, it isn't happening any time soon. The only way Democrats will get anything done is to eliminate the filibuster. And having the GOP do it would shield the democrats form the political backlash.

The Senate is an anti-democratic (small d) institution in the best of circumstances, and the modern filibuster makes it much more so. It would be great if it were gone.