VRSC

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Anonymous wrote:At LS it goes

U9-U12
1. Red, 2. Black, 3. White, etc

U13+
1. NVA ECNL, 2. NVA ENCL-RL, 3. Red, 4. Black, 5. White, etc

Actually LS went politically correct on us U9 is now
1. Madrid, 2. Bayern, 3. City, 4. Inter, etc. After all, EVERYBODY is a champion!!

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun Red is LS's #3 team, that shouldn't be considered an accomplishment

Well, I will bow to you and your superior soccer knowledge and obviously more skilled child today. You can feel so much better about yourself today. The ECNL RL and National teams come in ahead of the Red team at LS therefore they can diminish any accomplishments of the Black teams at VRSC. So the checkmate goes to you today. Yay, to you today!! You win the soccer blog award for the day.

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun rejects head over to VA Revolution, but this year VRSC had their tryouts the same time as Loudoun.

If Loudoun rejects go to VRSC, why did Loudoun threaten to bench players for going to VRSC tryouts? Loudoun knows VRSC has a better program and sunk to new lows to prevent players from moving club this year. I guess Loudoun wants to hang on to those rejects.

If VRSC get the MLSN slot - then you might see an exodus of top players from Loudoun (and other clubs). However right now there is zero exodus of players from the top 2-3 teams in Loudoun and the only boys age group where VRSC is remotely competitive with their top team is/was 2014.

Sadly VRSC have been moving their top teams out of the higher NCSL divisions and dropping them to level 3&4. Same as tournaments where VRSC has been moving themselves down in tournament pools simply so they can post better records and claim “championships.” That’s Nico’s path to relevancy apparently - either buy it or lower the level of competition.

Meanwhile Loudoun is pushing their kids up (eg 2014s playing 9v9 vs 2013s this spring) where they aren’t worrying about scores but focusing on development and pushing their players to grow (although they’ve done quite well playing up in 2nd NCSL division).

Wow, glad to know you know all of the teams so well at VRSC. Also, you might want to get the spelling of Niko's name correct.

My son plays on the top team (black team) in his age group he played EDP in the fall this year NCSL in the spring. The past 2 years he played EDP both fall and spring. EDP didn't have a spring schedule of games this year. Their team was not dropped down to lower divisions in tournaments. They just played the Potomac Tournament (the tournament placed them not our club) they won their championship for their division. He is not on the 2014 team by the way! His team has never been dropped down a division in a tournament just to get a "win". They are competitive and are improving each year, their team did win against the Loudoun team in their league play this year. Just saying VRSC is out there being a little more competitive than all of you haters out there would like them to be!

Thats great for VRSC, congrats on the wins! As an outsider, I'm curious which Loudoun team did they beat?
We have offers to both - still open FWIW - but at my son's age group it appears VRSCs "Black" team played LS "City" team - which by my research is the #3 team. I am most focused on development, but I'm hesitant to put my son on a top team who's playing against #3 teams from other clubs as I don't think that will make them better.

It depends on the age group. The younger ages (u9/u10) are all NCSL where the league assigns teams at random from season to season. And development is partially competition, but also coaching and the direction/environment.

It's not completely random at U9/U10. The coaches can make requests. If you look at the divisions, the top teams tend to be in divisions with other top teams. You can also see that there is sort of a top half and bottom half within a division, if you look at who plays against other.

Having the appropriate level of competition is important, especially at the younger ages. Kids get discouraged if they're just getting crushed every week; similarly, they don't get better if they are crushing their opponents every week. It may be that playing LS's third team is the right level of competition for that VRSC team right now. LS is huge and doesn't really have to develop kids. There are plenty of kids with lots of natural athletic talent coming out for their travel teams at U9. The kids at VRSC may need more time to develop and learn how to play as a team, and it will take a year or two to see the results (if the coaches are good). VRSC may be a better fit for your son's development IF the coaching is good and if the offer from LS is not for their first or second team. If your son got a top or second team offer from LS, it seems like a no brainer to go there.

You need to make the decision of where you feel most comfortable. The person that answered you above is obviously a LS lover. You need to look at both programs for yourself. Talk to the coaches at both programs and go where you feel most comfortable and where you feel meets the needs of your son. Not based on what some mom or dad feels is best based on their opinion of the clubs. VRSC has professional coaches with coaching licenses. Their coaches are good very well trained coaches, the poster above made it sound like they are not very good coaches. Do your own research.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun Red is LS's #3 team, that shouldn't be considered an accomplishment

Well, I will bow to you and your superior soccer knowledge and obviously more skilled child today. You can feel so much better about yourself today. The ECNL RL and National teams come in ahead of the Red team at LS therefore they can diminish any accomplishments of the Black teams at VRSC. So the checkmate goes to you today. Yay, to you today!! You win the soccer blog award for the day.

just calling a spade a spade. Winning championships and beating Loudoun is fun but come on, if it's against another club's 3rd team with your 1st team is that really an accomplishment?

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun Red is LS's #3 team, that shouldn't be considered an accomplishment

Well, I will bow to you and your superior soccer knowledge and obviously more skilled child today. You can feel so much better about yourself today. The ECNL RL and National teams come in ahead of the Red team at LS therefore they can diminish any accomplishments of the Black teams at VRSC. So the checkmate goes to you today. Yay, to you today!! You win the soccer blog award for the day.

just calling a spade a spade. Winning championships and beating Loudoun is fun but come on, if it's against another club's 3rd team with your 1st team is that really an accomplishment?

Come watch that team some time and look at their talent and you decide. Just because they don't go play for your almight LS soccer doesn't mean they aren't good. There is a lot of talent out there that doesn't want to play for the "Red". Maybe if they played the "top" "red" teams they might beat them.

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun Red is LS's #3 team, that shouldn't be considered an accomplishment

Well, I will bow to you and your superior soccer knowledge and obviously more skilled child today. You can feel so much better about yourself today. The ECNL RL and National teams come in ahead of the Red team at LS therefore they can diminish any accomplishments of the Black teams at VRSC. So the checkmate goes to you today. Yay, to you today!! You win the soccer blog award for the day.

just calling a spade a spade. Winning championships and beating Loudoun is fun but come on, if it's against another club's 3rd team with your 1st team is that really an accomplishment?

Come watch that team some time and look at their talent and you decide. Just because they don't go play for your almight LS soccer doesn't mean they aren't good. There is a lot of talent out there that doesn't want to play for the "Red". Maybe if they played the "top" "red" teams they might beat them.

never said they weren't good, I'm just saying beating ANY club's 3rd team isn't an accomplishment

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun rejects head over to VA Revolution, but this year VRSC had their tryouts the same time as Loudoun.

If Loudoun rejects go to VRSC, why did Loudoun threaten to bench players for going to VRSC tryouts? Loudoun knows VRSC has a better program and sunk to new lows to prevent players from moving club this year. I guess Loudoun wants to hang on to those rejects.

If VRSC get the MLSN slot - then you might see an exodus of top players from Loudoun (and other clubs). However right now there is zero exodus of players from the top 2-3 teams in Loudoun and the only boys age group where VRSC is remotely competitive with their top team is/was 2014.

Sadly VRSC have been moving their top teams out of the higher NCSL divisions and dropping them to level 3&4. Same as tournaments where VRSC has been moving themselves down in tournament pools simply so they can post better records and claim “championships.” That’s Nico’s path to relevancy apparently - either buy it or lower the level of competition.

Meanwhile Loudoun is pushing their kids up (eg 2014s playing 9v9 vs 2013s this spring) where they aren’t worrying about scores but focusing on development and pushing their players to grow (although they’ve done quite well playing up in 2nd NCSL division).

Wow, glad to know you know all of the teams so well at VRSC. Also, you might want to get the spelling of Niko's name correct.

My son plays on the top team (black team) in his age group he played EDP in the fall this year NCSL in the spring. The past 2 years he played EDP both fall and spring. EDP didn't have a spring schedule of games this year. Their team was not dropped down to lower divisions in tournaments. They just played the Potomac Tournament (the tournament placed them not our club) they won their championship for their division. He is not on the 2014 team by the way! His team has never been dropped down a division in a tournament just to get a "win". They are competitive and are improving each year, their team did win against the Loudoun team in their league play this year. Just saying VRSC is out there being a little more competitive than all of you haters out there would like them to be!

Thats great for VRSC, congrats on the wins! As an outsider, I'm curious which Loudoun team did they beat?
We have offers to both - still open FWIW - but at my son's age group it appears VRSCs "Black" team played LS "City" team - which by my research is the #3 team. I am most focused on development, but I'm hesitant to put my son on a top team who's playing against #3 teams from other clubs as I don't think that will make them better.

It depends on the age group. The younger ages (u9/u10) are all NCSL where the league assigns teams at random from season to season. And development is partially competition, but also coaching and the direction/environment.

It's not completely random at U9/U10. The coaches can make requests. If you look at the divisions, the top teams tend to be in divisions with other top teams. You can also see that there is sort of a top half and bottom half within a division, if you look at who plays against other.

Having the appropriate level of competition is important, especially at the younger ages. Kids get discouraged if they're just getting crushed every week; similarly, they don't get better if they are crushing their opponents every week. It may be that playing LS's third team is the right level of competition for that VRSC team right now. LS is huge and doesn't really have to develop kids. There are plenty of kids with lots of natural athletic talent coming out for their travel teams at U9. The kids at VRSC may need more time to develop and learn how to play as a team, and it will take a year or two to see the results (if the coaches are good). VRSC may be a better fit for your son's development IF the coaching is good and if the offer from LS is not for their first or second team. If your son got a top or second team offer from LS, it seems like a no brainer to go there.

You need to make the decision of where you feel most comfortable. The person that answered you above is obviously a LS lover. You need to look at both programs for yourself. Talk to the coaches at both programs and go where you feel most comfortable and where you feel meets the needs of your son. Not based on what some mom or dad feels is best based on their opinion of the clubs. VRSC has professional coaches with coaching licenses. Their coaches are good very well trained coaches, the poster above made it sound like they are not very good coaches. Do your own research.

Ha! Not an LS lover at all. My own son plays somewhere more similar to VRSC. The things I said about level of competition come from watching my own son's team over the last couple of years. It's not hard to understand that LS doesn't have to work as hard to develop kids because they are getting kids who are already very good from a young age. If you're not at a mega-club who can pick from the cream of the crop, the coaches need to be that much better in order to develop the kids appropriately. If a kid is good enough to make the top team or two at LS in U9 or U10, they should start there because that's going to be an easier path to high level soccer if that's what the kid ends up wanting. They can always leave if it ends up being a bad experience. It's easier to leave a top team at a mega-club to go somewhere with less depth in the talent pool, than the other way around. You sound like a VRSC lover to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun Red is LS's #3 team, that shouldn't be considered an accomplishment

Well, I will bow to you and your superior soccer knowledge and obviously more skilled child today. You can feel so much better about yourself today. The ECNL RL and National teams come in ahead of the Red team at LS therefore they can diminish any accomplishments of the Black teams at VRSC. So the checkmate goes to you today. Yay, to you today!! You win the soccer blog award for the day.

just calling a spade a spade. Winning championships and beating Loudoun is fun but come on, if it's against another club's 3rd team with your 1st team is that really an accomplishment?

Come watch that team some time and look at their talent and you decide. Just because they don't go play for your almight LS soccer doesn't mean they aren't good. There is a lot of talent out there that doesn't want to play for the "Red". Maybe if they played the "top" "red" teams they might beat them.

never said they weren't good, I'm just saying beating ANY club's 3rd team isn't an accomplishment

When they block your chances of being able a to play their top team there’s know way of knowing if they compete with them or not is there? I say they can, come take a look for yourself. They just beat 2 top ECNL teams this weekend one from New Jersey and one from Pittsburgh.

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When they block your chances of being able a to play their top team there’s know way of knowing if they compete with them or not is there? I say they can, come take a look for yourself. They just beat 2 top ECNL teams this weekend one from New Jersey and one from Pittsburgh.

You mean they beat an ECNL-RL team their own age and beat a Pre ECNL team that is a year younger, right?

https://system.gotsport.com/org_event/events/30427/schedules?team=2138341

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun rejects head over to VA Revolution, but this year VRSC had their tryouts the same time as Loudoun.

If Loudoun rejects go to VRSC, why did Loudoun threaten to bench players for going to VRSC tryouts? Loudoun knows VRSC has a better program and sunk to new lows to prevent players from moving club this year. I guess Loudoun wants to hang on to those rejects.

If VRSC get the MLSN slot - then you might see an exodus of top players from Loudoun (and other clubs). However right now there is zero exodus of players from the top 2-3 teams in Loudoun and the only boys age group where VRSC is remotely competitive with their top team is/was 2014.

Sadly VRSC have been moving their top teams out of the higher NCSL divisions and dropping them to level 3&4. Same as tournaments where VRSC has been moving themselves down in tournament pools simply so they can post better records and claim “championships.” That’s Nico’s path to relevancy apparently - either buy it or lower the level of competition.

Meanwhile Loudoun is pushing their kids up (eg 2014s playing 9v9 vs 2013s this spring) where they aren’t worrying about scores but focusing on development and pushing their players to grow (although they’ve done quite well playing up in 2nd NCSL division).

Wow, glad to know you know all of the teams so well at VRSC. Also, you might want to get the spelling of Niko's name correct.

My son plays on the top team (black team) in his age group he played EDP in the fall this year NCSL in the spring. The past 2 years he played EDP both fall and spring. EDP didn't have a spring schedule of games this year. Their team was not dropped down to lower divisions in tournaments. They just played the Potomac Tournament (the tournament placed them not our club) they won their championship for their division. He is not on the 2014 team by the way! His team has never been dropped down a division in a tournament just to get a "win". They are competitive and are improving each year, their team did win against the Loudoun team in their league play this year. Just saying VRSC is out there being a little more competitive than all of you haters out there would like them to be!

Thats great for VRSC, congrats on the wins! As an outsider, I'm curious which Loudoun team did they beat?
We have offers to both - still open FWIW - but at my son's age group it appears VRSCs "Black" team played LS "City" team - which by my research is the #3 team. I am most focused on development, but I'm hesitant to put my son on a top team who's playing against #3 teams from other clubs as I don't think that will make them better.

It depends on the age group. The younger ages (u9/u10) are all NCSL where the league assigns teams at random from season to season. And development is partially competition, but also coaching and the direction/environment.

It's not completely random at U9/U10. The coaches can make requests. If you look at the divisions, the top teams tend to be in divisions with other top teams. You can also see that there is sort of a top half and bottom half within a division, if you look at who plays against other.

Having the appropriate level of competition is important, especially at the younger ages. Kids get discouraged if they're just getting crushed every week; similarly, they don't get better if they are crushing their opponents every week. It may be that playing LS's third team is the right level of competition for that VRSC team right now. LS is huge and doesn't really have to develop kids. There are plenty of kids with lots of natural athletic talent coming out for their travel teams at U9. The kids at VRSC may need more time to develop and learn how to play as a team, and it will take a year or two to see the results (if the coaches are good). VRSC may be a better fit for your son's development IF the coaching is good and if the offer from LS is not for their first or second team. If your son got a top or second team offer from LS, it seems like a no brainer to go there.

Many of us current VRSC families rejected second team Loudoun. Coaching for second teams u12 and below has been complete garbage in recent years. Loudoun is just over inflated egos by top team success and a massive pool of players to pick from historically. However, with newer clubs (not just VRSC) entering Loudoun's 'territory' they are scrambling to hold on to players and actively trying to poach from other clubs when they haven't had to in the past. Pre -covid Loudoun soccer's monopoly is gone... LS loyalist are offended by this and it's hilarious to the rest of us.

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun Red is LS's #3 team, that shouldn't be considered an accomplishment

Well, I will bow to you and your superior soccer knowledge and obviously more skilled child today. You can feel so much better about yourself today. The ECNL RL and National teams come in ahead of the Red team at LS therefore they can diminish any accomplishments of the Black teams at VRSC. So the checkmate goes to you today. Yay, to you today!! You win the soccer blog award for the day.

just calling a spade a spade. Winning championships and beating Loudoun is fun but come on, if it's against another club's 3rd team with your 1st team is that really an accomplishment?

Come watch that team some time and look at their talent and you decide. Just because they don't go play for your almight LS soccer doesn't mean they aren't good. There is a lot of talent out there that doesn't want to play for the "Red". Maybe if they played the "top" "red" teams they might beat them.

never said they weren't good, I'm just saying beating ANY club's 3rd team isn't an accomplishment

Speaks volumes for how you view your club's teams. Gross

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When they block your chances of being able a to play their top team there’s know way of knowing if they compete with them or not is there? I say they can, come take a look for yourself. They just beat 2 top ECNL teams this weekend one from New Jersey and one from Pittsburgh.

You mean they beat an ECNL-RL team their own age and beat a Pre ECNL team that is a year younger, right?

https://system.gotsport.com/org_event/events/30427/schedules?team=2138341

They said NJ and PA, so i think they're talking about Century (USYS) and Neshanic (EDP). Century was a semifinalist of the 13th (of 14) backet of Jeff Cup.

https://system.gotsport.com/org_event/events/30427/schedules?team=2138324

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When they block your chances of being able a to play their top team there’s know way of knowing if they compete with them or not is there? I say they can, come take a look for yourself. They just beat 2 top ECNL teams this weekend one from New Jersey and one from Pittsburgh.

You mean they beat an ECNL-RL team their own age and beat a Pre ECNL team that is a year younger, right?

https://system.gotsport.com/org_event/events/30427/schedules?team=2138341

Nope you guessed wrong the wrong team, keep guessing!!! LOL!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun Red is LS's #3 team, that shouldn't be considered an accomplishment

Well, I will bow to you and your superior soccer knowledge and obviously more skilled child today. You can feel so much better about yourself today. The ECNL RL and National teams come in ahead of the Red team at LS therefore they can diminish any accomplishments of the Black teams at VRSC. So the checkmate goes to you today. Yay, to you today!! You win the soccer blog award for the day.

just calling a spade a spade. Winning championships and beating Loudoun is fun but come on, if it's against another club's 3rd team with your 1st team is that really an accomplishment?

Come watch that team some time and look at their talent and you decide. Just because they don't go play for your almight LS soccer doesn't mean they aren't good. There is a lot of talent out there that doesn't want to play for the "Red". Maybe if they played the "top" "red" teams they might beat them.

never said they weren't good, I'm just saying beating ANY club's 3rd team isn't an accomplishment

Speaks volumes for how you view your club's teams. Gross

What's gross? if my DC's 1st team beats another club's 3rd team I don't view that as an accomplishment? i'll go one further, if my DC's 1st team beat another club's 2nd team, that wouldn't be considered an accomplishment either...1st teams should compete against 1st teams, 2nd teams against 2nd teams. Having a 1st team competing against 3rd and 4th teams isn't doing anything to benefit the 1st team.

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Which is largely due to the fact that the top players in LS have moved onto NVA by 2007-2009. Comparing apples and potatoes when looking at VRSC vs LS in those age groups.

It's apples to apples because we are talking NCSL. To compare the ECNL team to a NCSL team is apples to potatoes. They don't play each other so you can't arbitrarily say one is better without data. Since VRSC has joined GA, the boys can't join ECNL because ECNL requires both boys and girls teams to join.