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Anonymous wrote:Typical LS argument focusing on a single team. VRSC 2007, 2008, and 2009 boys are better squads than their LS equivalent.

Which is largely due to the fact that the top players in LS have moved onto NVA by 2007-2009. Comparing apples and potatoes when looking at VRSC vs LS in those age groups.

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun rejects head over to VA Revolution, but this year VRSC had their tryouts the same time as Loudoun.

If Loudoun rejects go to VRSC, why did Loudoun threaten to bench players for going to VRSC tryouts? Loudoun knows VRSC has a better program and sunk to new lows to prevent players from moving club this year. I guess Loudoun wants to hang on to those rejects.

If VRSC get the MLSN slot - then you might see an exodus of top players from Loudoun (and other clubs). However right now there is zero exodus of players from the top 2-3 teams in Loudoun and the only boys age group where VRSC is remotely competitive with their top team is/was 2014.

Sadly VRSC have been moving their top teams out of the higher NCSL divisions and dropping them to level 3&4. Same as tournaments where VRSC has been moving themselves down in tournament pools simply so they can post better records and claim “championships.” That’s Nico’s path to relevancy apparently - either buy it or lower the level of competition.

Meanwhile Loudoun is pushing their kids up (eg 2014s playing 9v9 vs 2013s this spring) where they aren’t worrying about scores but focusing on development and pushing their players to grow (although they’ve done quite well playing up in 2nd NCSL division).

Wow, glad to know you know all of the teams so well at VRSC. Also, you might want to get the spelling of Niko's name correct.

My son plays on the top team (black team) in his age group he played EDP in the fall this year NCSL in the spring. The past 2 years he played EDP both fall and spring. EDP didn't have a spring schedule of games this year. Their team was not dropped down to lower divisions in tournaments. They just played the Potomac Tournament (the tournament placed them not our club) they won their championship for their division. He is not on the 2014 team by the way! His team has never been dropped down a division in a tournament just to get a "win". They are competitive and are improving each year, their team did win against the Loudoun team in their league play this year. Just saying VRSC is out there being a little more competitive than all of you haters out there would like them to be!

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Which is largely due to the fact that the top players in LS have moved onto NVA by 2007-2009. Comparing apples and potatoes when looking at VRSC vs LS in those age groups.

Who are these people that think players move from LS to NVA. NVA is LS.

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Anonymous wrote:Typical LS argument focusing on a single team. VRSC 2007, 2008, and 2009 boys are better squads than their LS equivalent.

OK - that's fair. VRSC Black is playing Loudoun Red in NCSL at those age groups and they ARE competitive with each other.
However, keep in mind that the top players in LS have moved onto ECNL (NVA) and the Loudoun ECNL-RL team by 2007-2009, so its really comparing apples and potatoes when looking at VRSC vs LS in those age groups.

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Which is largely due to the fact that the top players in LS have moved onto NVA by 2007-2009. Comparing apples and potatoes when looking at VRSC vs LS in those age groups.

Who are these people that think players move from LS to NVA. NVA is LS.

Correct (largely).
However the point remains- IF your top team is playing Loudoun Soccer's Red team at that age group, that's really the #3 LS team - for the point you made, NVA and ECNL-RL are #1 and #2 in the structure.

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Anonymous wrote:Typical LS argument focusing on a single team. VRSC 2007, 2008, and 2009 boys are better squads than their LS equivalent.

OK - that's fair. VRSC Black is playing Loudoun Red in NCSL at those age groups and they ARE competitive with each other.
However, keep in mind that the top players in LS have moved onto ECNL (NVA) and the Loudoun ECNL-RL team by 2007-2009, so its really comparing apples and potatoes when looking at VRSC vs LS in those age groups.

Yes, but you didn't specify before and let's remember VRSC Black has not played LS ESNL team so we don't really know how they would do, do we? Just saying. Some players have chosen to stay with VRSC because they like it there not because they don't think they could make it on an ECNL team, they might have the skills. Everyone thinks just because they have stayed at VRSC they don't have the skills, that isn't always true.

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Anonymous wrote:Typical LS argument focusing on a single team. VRSC 2007, 2008, and 2009 boys are better squads than their LS equivalent.

OK - that's fair. VRSC Black is playing Loudoun Red in NCSL at those age groups and they ARE competitive with each other.
However, keep in mind that the top players in LS have moved onto ECNL (NVA) and the Loudoun ECNL-RL team by 2007-2009, so its really comparing apples and potatoes when looking at VRSC vs LS in those age groups.

Yes, but you didn't specify before and let's remember VRSC Black has not played LS ESNL team so we don't really know how they would do, do we? Just saying. Some players have chosen to stay with VRSC because they like it there not because they don't think they could make it on an ECNL team, they might have the skills. Everyone thinks just because they have stayed at VRSC they don't have the skills, that isn't always true.

Sorry, should be ECNL not ESNL miss tpyped

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun rejects head over to VA Revolution, but this year VRSC had their tryouts the same time as Loudoun.

If Loudoun rejects go to VRSC, why did Loudoun threaten to bench players for going to VRSC tryouts? Loudoun knows VRSC has a better program and sunk to new lows to prevent players from moving club this year. I guess Loudoun wants to hang on to those rejects.

If VRSC get the MLSN slot - then you might see an exodus of top players from Loudoun (and other clubs). However right now there is zero exodus of players from the top 2-3 teams in Loudoun and the only boys age group where VRSC is remotely competitive with their top team is/was 2014.

Sadly VRSC have been moving their top teams out of the higher NCSL divisions and dropping them to level 3&4. Same as tournaments where VRSC has been moving themselves down in tournament pools simply so they can post better records and claim “championships.” That’s Nico’s path to relevancy apparently - either buy it or lower the level of competition.

Meanwhile Loudoun is pushing their kids up (eg 2014s playing 9v9 vs 2013s this spring) where they aren’t worrying about scores but focusing on development and pushing their players to grow (although they’ve done quite well playing up in 2nd NCSL division).

Wow, glad to know you know all of the teams so well at VRSC. Also, you might want to get the spelling of Niko's name correct.

My son plays on the top team (black team) in his age group he played EDP in the fall this year NCSL in the spring. The past 2 years he played EDP both fall and spring. EDP didn't have a spring schedule of games this year. Their team was not dropped down to lower divisions in tournaments. They just played the Potomac Tournament (the tournament placed them not our club) they won their championship for their division. He is not on the 2014 team by the way! His team has never been dropped down a division in a tournament just to get a "win". They are competitive and are improving each year, their team did win against the Loudoun team in their league play this year. Just saying VRSC is out there being a little more competitive than all of you haters out there would like them to be!

Thats great for VRSC, congrats on the wins! As an outsider, I'm curious which Loudoun team did they beat?
We have offers to both - still open FWIW - but at my son's age group it appears VRSCs "Black" team played LS "City" team - which by my research is the #3 team. I am most focused on development, but I'm hesitant to put my son on a top team who's playing against #3 teams from other clubs as I don't think that will make them better.

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun rejects head over to VA Revolution, but this year VRSC had their tryouts the same time as Loudoun.

If Loudoun rejects go to VRSC, why did Loudoun threaten to bench players for going to VRSC tryouts? Loudoun knows VRSC has a better program and sunk to new lows to prevent players from moving club this year. I guess Loudoun wants to hang on to those rejects.

If VRSC get the MLSN slot - then you might see an exodus of top players from Loudoun (and other clubs). However right now there is zero exodus of players from the top 2-3 teams in Loudoun and the only boys age group where VRSC is remotely competitive with their top team is/was 2014.

Sadly VRSC have been moving their top teams out of the higher NCSL divisions and dropping them to level 3&4. Same as tournaments where VRSC has been moving themselves down in tournament pools simply so they can post better records and claim “championships.” That’s Nico’s path to relevancy apparently - either buy it or lower the level of competition.

Meanwhile Loudoun is pushing their kids up (eg 2014s playing 9v9 vs 2013s this spring) where they aren’t worrying about scores but focusing on development and pushing their players to grow (although they’ve done quite well playing up in 2nd NCSL division).

Wow, glad to know you know all of the teams so well at VRSC. Also, you might want to get the spelling of Niko's name correct.

My son plays on the top team (black team) in his age group he played EDP in the fall this year NCSL in the spring. The past 2 years he played EDP both fall and spring. EDP didn't have a spring schedule of games this year. Their team was not dropped down to lower divisions in tournaments. They just played the Potomac Tournament (the tournament placed them not our club) they won their championship for their division. He is not on the 2014 team by the way! His team has never been dropped down a division in a tournament just to get a "win". They are competitive and are improving each year, their team did win against the Loudoun team in their league play this year. Just saying VRSC is out there being a little more competitive than all of you haters out there would like them to be!

Thats great for VRSC, congrats on the wins! As an outsider, I'm curious which Loudoun team did they beat?
We have offers to both - still open FWIW - but at my son's age group it appears VRSCs "Black" team played LS "City" team - which by my research is the #3 team. I am most focused on development, but I'm hesitant to put my son on a top team who's playing against #3 teams from other clubs as I don't think that will make them better.

It depends on the age group. The younger ages (u9/u10) are all NCSL where the league assigns teams at random from season to season. And development is partially competition, but also coaching and the direction/environment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun rejects head over to VA Revolution, but this year VRSC had their tryouts the same time as Loudoun.

If Loudoun rejects go to VRSC, why did Loudoun threaten to bench players for going to VRSC tryouts? Loudoun knows VRSC has a better program and sunk to new lows to prevent players from moving club this year. I guess Loudoun wants to hang on to those rejects.

If VRSC get the MLSN slot - then you might see an exodus of top players from Loudoun (and other clubs). However right now there is zero exodus of players from the top 2-3 teams in Loudoun and the only boys age group where VRSC is remotely competitive with their top team is/was 2014.

Sadly VRSC have been moving their top teams out of the higher NCSL divisions and dropping them to level 3&4. Same as tournaments where VRSC has been moving themselves down in tournament pools simply so they can post better records and claim “championships.” That’s Nico’s path to relevancy apparently - either buy it or lower the level of competition.

Meanwhile Loudoun is pushing their kids up (eg 2014s playing 9v9 vs 2013s this spring) where they aren’t worrying about scores but focusing on development and pushing their players to grow (although they’ve done quite well playing up in 2nd NCSL division).

Wow, glad to know you know all of the teams so well at VRSC. Also, you might want to get the spelling of Niko's name correct.

My son plays on the top team (black team) in his age group he played EDP in the fall this year NCSL in the spring. The past 2 years he played EDP both fall and spring. EDP didn't have a spring schedule of games this year. Their team was not dropped down to lower divisions in tournaments. They just played the Potomac Tournament (the tournament placed them not our club) they won their championship for their division. He is not on the 2014 team by the way! His team has never been dropped down a division in a tournament just to get a "win". They are competitive and are improving each year, their team did win against the Loudoun team in their league play this year. Just saying VRSC is out there being a little more competitive than all of you haters out there would like them to be!

Thats great for VRSC, congrats on the wins! As an outsider, I'm curious which Loudoun team did they beat?
We have offers to both - still open FWIW - but at my son's age group it appears VRSCs "Black" team played LS "City" team - which by my research is the #3 team. I am most focused on development, but I'm hesitant to put my son on a top team who's playing against #3 teams from other clubs as I don't think that will make them better.

My son's team beat LS's red team.

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun rejects head over to VA Revolution, but this year VRSC had their tryouts the same time as Loudoun.

If Loudoun rejects go to VRSC, why did Loudoun threaten to bench players for going to VRSC tryouts? Loudoun knows VRSC has a better program and sunk to new lows to prevent players from moving club this year. I guess Loudoun wants to hang on to those rejects.

If VRSC get the MLSN slot - then you might see an exodus of top players from Loudoun (and other clubs). However right now there is zero exodus of players from the top 2-3 teams in Loudoun and the only boys age group where VRSC is remotely competitive with their top team is/was 2014.

Sadly VRSC have been moving their top teams out of the higher NCSL divisions and dropping them to level 3&4. Same as tournaments where VRSC has been moving themselves down in tournament pools simply so they can post better records and claim “championships.” That’s Nico’s path to relevancy apparently - either buy it or lower the level of competition.

Meanwhile Loudoun is pushing their kids up (eg 2014s playing 9v9 vs 2013s this spring) where they aren’t worrying about scores but focusing on development and pushing their players to grow (although they’ve done quite well playing up in 2nd NCSL division).

Wow, glad to know you know all of the teams so well at VRSC. Also, you might want to get the spelling of Niko's name correct.

My son plays on the top team (black team) in his age group he played EDP in the fall this year NCSL in the spring. The past 2 years he played EDP both fall and spring. EDP didn't have a spring schedule of games this year. Their team was not dropped down to lower divisions in tournaments. They just played the Potomac Tournament (the tournament placed them not our club) they won their championship for their division. He is not on the 2014 team by the way! His team has never been dropped down a division in a tournament just to get a "win". They are competitive and are improving each year, their team did win against the Loudoun team in their league play this year. Just saying VRSC is out there being a little more competitive than all of you haters out there would like them to be!

Thats great for VRSC, congrats on the wins! As an outsider, I'm curious which Loudoun team did they beat?
We have offers to both - still open FWIW - but at my son's age group it appears VRSCs "Black" team played LS "City" team - which by my research is the #3 team. I am most focused on development, but I'm hesitant to put my son on a top team who's playing against #3 teams from other clubs as I don't think that will make them better.

My son's team beat LS's red team.

I will add to this: my son is an older age group with VRSC.

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun rejects head over to VA Revolution, but this year VRSC had their tryouts the same time as Loudoun.

If Loudoun rejects go to VRSC, why did Loudoun threaten to bench players for going to VRSC tryouts? Loudoun knows VRSC has a better program and sunk to new lows to prevent players from moving club this year. I guess Loudoun wants to hang on to those rejects.

If VRSC get the MLSN slot - then you might see an exodus of top players from Loudoun (and other clubs). However right now there is zero exodus of players from the top 2-3 teams in Loudoun and the only boys age group where VRSC is remotely competitive with their top team is/was 2014.

Sadly VRSC have been moving their top teams out of the higher NCSL divisions and dropping them to level 3&4. Same as tournaments where VRSC has been moving themselves down in tournament pools simply so they can post better records and claim “championships.” That’s Nico’s path to relevancy apparently - either buy it or lower the level of competition.

Meanwhile Loudoun is pushing their kids up (eg 2014s playing 9v9 vs 2013s this spring) where they aren’t worrying about scores but focusing on development and pushing their players to grow (although they’ve done quite well playing up in 2nd NCSL division).

Wow, glad to know you know all of the teams so well at VRSC. Also, you might want to get the spelling of Niko's name correct.

My son plays on the top team (black team) in his age group he played EDP in the fall this year NCSL in the spring. The past 2 years he played EDP both fall and spring. EDP didn't have a spring schedule of games this year. Their team was not dropped down to lower divisions in tournaments. They just played the Potomac Tournament (the tournament placed them not our club) they won their championship for their division. He is not on the 2014 team by the way! His team has never been dropped down a division in a tournament just to get a "win". They are competitive and are improving each year, their team did win against the Loudoun team in their league play this year. Just saying VRSC is out there being a little more competitive than all of you haters out there would like them to be!

Thats great for VRSC, congrats on the wins! As an outsider, I'm curious which Loudoun team did they beat?
We have offers to both - still open FWIW - but at my son's age group it appears VRSCs "Black" team played LS "City" team - which by my research is the #3 team. I am most focused on development, but I'm hesitant to put my son on a top team who's playing against #3 teams from other clubs as I don't think that will make them better.

My son's team beat LS's red team.

I will add to this: my son is an older age group with VRSC.

Loudoun Red is LS's #3 team, that shouldn't be considered an accomplishment

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun rejects head over to VA Revolution, but this year VRSC had their tryouts the same time as Loudoun.

If Loudoun rejects go to VRSC, why did Loudoun threaten to bench players for going to VRSC tryouts? Loudoun knows VRSC has a better program and sunk to new lows to prevent players from moving club this year. I guess Loudoun wants to hang on to those rejects.

If VRSC get the MLSN slot - then you might see an exodus of top players from Loudoun (and other clubs). However right now there is zero exodus of players from the top 2-3 teams in Loudoun and the only boys age group where VRSC is remotely competitive with their top team is/was 2014.

Sadly VRSC have been moving their top teams out of the higher NCSL divisions and dropping them to level 3&4. Same as tournaments where VRSC has been moving themselves down in tournament pools simply so they can post better records and claim “championships.” That’s Nico’s path to relevancy apparently - either buy it or lower the level of competition.

Meanwhile Loudoun is pushing their kids up (eg 2014s playing 9v9 vs 2013s this spring) where they aren’t worrying about scores but focusing on development and pushing their players to grow (although they’ve done quite well playing up in 2nd NCSL division).

Ok, whatever you win. Have a nice day. Haters will always hate. I'm glad your child and LS are always going to be better than everyone else's player and VRSC. You can continue to feel better about yourself and your superior soccer program. I bow to you, you win today.

Wow, glad to know you know all of the teams so well at VRSC. Also, you might want to get the spelling of Niko's name correct.

My son plays on the top team (black team) in his age group he played EDP in the fall this year NCSL in the spring. The past 2 years he played EDP both fall and spring. EDP didn't have a spring schedule of games this year. Their team was not dropped down to lower divisions in tournaments. They just played the Potomac Tournament (the tournament placed them not our club) they won their championship for their division. He is not on the 2014 team by the way! His team has never been dropped down a division in a tournament just to get a "win". They are competitive and are improving each year, their team did win against the Loudoun team in their league play this year. Just saying VRSC is out there being a little more competitive than all of you haters out there would like them to be!

Thats great for VRSC, congrats on the wins! As an outsider, I'm curious which Loudoun team did they beat?
We have offers to both - still open FWIW - but at my son's age group it appears VRSCs "Black" team played LS "City" team - which by my research is the #3 team. I am most focused on development, but I'm hesitant to put my son on a top team who's playing against #3 teams from other clubs as I don't think that will make them better.

My son's team beat LS's red team.

I will add to this: my son is an older age group with VRSC.

Loudoun Red is LS's #3 team, that shouldn't be considered an accomplishment

[Anonymous]

At LS it goes

U9-U12
1. Red, 2. Black, 3. White, etc

U13+
1. NVA ECNL, 2. NVA ENCL-RL, 3. Red, 4. Black, 5. White, etc

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun rejects head over to VA Revolution, but this year VRSC had their tryouts the same time as Loudoun.

If Loudoun rejects go to VRSC, why did Loudoun threaten to bench players for going to VRSC tryouts? Loudoun knows VRSC has a better program and sunk to new lows to prevent players from moving club this year. I guess Loudoun wants to hang on to those rejects.

If VRSC get the MLSN slot - then you might see an exodus of top players from Loudoun (and other clubs). However right now there is zero exodus of players from the top 2-3 teams in Loudoun and the only boys age group where VRSC is remotely competitive with their top team is/was 2014.

Sadly VRSC have been moving their top teams out of the higher NCSL divisions and dropping them to level 3&4. Same as tournaments where VRSC has been moving themselves down in tournament pools simply so they can post better records and claim “championships.” That’s Nico’s path to relevancy apparently - either buy it or lower the level of competition.

Meanwhile Loudoun is pushing their kids up (eg 2014s playing 9v9 vs 2013s this spring) where they aren’t worrying about scores but focusing on development and pushing their players to grow (although they’ve done quite well playing up in 2nd NCSL division).

Wow, glad to know you know all of the teams so well at VRSC. Also, you might want to get the spelling of Niko's name correct.

My son plays on the top team (black team) in his age group he played EDP in the fall this year NCSL in the spring. The past 2 years he played EDP both fall and spring. EDP didn't have a spring schedule of games this year. Their team was not dropped down to lower divisions in tournaments. They just played the Potomac Tournament (the tournament placed them not our club) they won their championship for their division. He is not on the 2014 team by the way! His team has never been dropped down a division in a tournament just to get a "win". They are competitive and are improving each year, their team did win against the Loudoun team in their league play this year. Just saying VRSC is out there being a little more competitive than all of you haters out there would like them to be!

Thats great for VRSC, congrats on the wins! As an outsider, I'm curious which Loudoun team did they beat?
We have offers to both - still open FWIW - but at my son's age group it appears VRSCs "Black" team played LS "City" team - which by my research is the #3 team. I am most focused on development, but I'm hesitant to put my son on a top team who's playing against #3 teams from other clubs as I don't think that will make them better.

It depends on the age group. The younger ages (u9/u10) are all NCSL where the league assigns teams at random from season to season. And development is partially competition, but also coaching and the direction/environment.

It's not completely random at U9/U10. The coaches can make requests. If you look at the divisions, the top teams tend to be in divisions with other top teams. You can also see that there is sort of a top half and bottom half within a division, if you look at who plays against other.

Having the appropriate level of competition is important, especially at the younger ages. Kids get discouraged if they're just getting crushed every week; similarly, they don't get better if they are crushing their opponents every week. It may be that playing LS's third team is the right level of competition for that VRSC team right now. LS is huge and doesn't really have to develop kids. There are plenty of kids with lots of natural athletic talent coming out for their travel teams at U9. The kids at VRSC may need more time to develop and learn how to play as a team, and it will take a year or two to see the results (if the coaches are good). VRSC may be a better fit for your son's development IF the coaching is good and if the offer from LS is not for their first or second team. If your son got a top or second team offer from LS, it seems like a no brainer to go there.