7/24/23 Trial of Usman Shahid -- driver who killed two Oakton teens

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was there ever an explanation as to why this took so long?

What took so long?

Jury trial are always (over 70%) of the time between 1-2 years after the incident..

Yes but it was originally scheduled for almost a year ago - note the thread title. Why so many delays?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did he also learn his sentence today? Missed that part trying to wade thru all the bs on this thread.

Tomorrow I think.

That’s a few months away, he will get a recommendation tomorrow but official is still a few months away. I will give you a clear example for tomorrow sentences.
Hypothetically, the jury agree 5 years in jail. Then the judge will set a sentencing date. That date the judge will sentence him to the amount giving or he can reduce it to something else, he doesn’t have that option to increase the time.

It’s worth noting that Judge Bellows is a heavy sentencing judge. I would expect he will give the maximum allowed by the jury decision.

I hope it’s a good sign that the judge immediately sent him to jail.

[Anonymous]

I am like Switzerland.
I am here to say I think it RUDE and Disrespectful to cheer or clap when someone is found guilty. I think the person should be fine or be thorn out the court room, if they don't listen transfer them to the ADC.

2nd. if someone like Mr. Shahid, who seems very clam and respect to the courtroom he should be arrested after sentencing. or 2nd aresst him at the end of the day, not in front of KIDS or family and friends watching him. cou

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am like Switzerland.
I am here to say I think it RUDE and Disrespectful to cheer or clap when someone is found guilty. I think the person should be fine or be thorn out the court room, if they don't listen transfer them to the ADC.

2nd. if someone like Mr. Shahid, who seems very clam and respect to the courtroom he should be arrested after sentencing. or 2nd aresst him at the end of the day, not in front of KIDS or family and friends watching him. cou

What’s with all the Shahid boosters on this thread? Is his family that pathetic?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am like Switzerland.
I am here to say I think it RUDE and Disrespectful to cheer or clap when someone is found guilty. I think the person should be fine or be thorn out the court room, if they don't listen transfer them to the ADC.

2nd. if someone like Mr. Shahid, who seems very clam and respect to the courtroom he should be arrested after sentencing. or 2nd aresst him at the end of the day, not in front of KIDS or family and friends watching him. cou

You are SO transparent.

But also, why on earth did family bring young children, knowing he was most likely going to be convicted and arrested?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m curious how sentencing will go. Is Shahid going to accept any responsibility for the girls’ deaths? He hasn’t done so yet, since his legal strategy was to blame the other driver. So will he take a different approach for sentencing? And will the jury and judge find it credible? I have no idea how this works. It’s so unusual to see a slam-dunk vehicular manslaughter case like this actually go to trial.

Well, now reality sets in. Shahid should have taken a plea. The fact that he went to trial indicates to me that he/his family were convinced the couldn't be convicted. Will they accept the advice of his attorney now? Shahid's best bet is to beg for a lenient sentence. Any appeal will almost certainly fail.

Does anyone know if Shahid will testify tomorrow during the sentencing phase? I don't know criminal procedure in VA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am like Switzerland.
I am here to say I think it RUDE and Disrespectful to cheer or clap when someone is found guilty. I think the person should be fine or be thorn out the court room, if they don't listen transfer them to the ADC.

2nd. if someone like Mr. Shahid, who seems very clam and respect to the courtroom he should be arrested after sentencing. or 2nd aresst him at the end of the day, not in front of KIDS or family and friends watching him. cou

It is a regular occurrence to go to jail after a guilty decision. This isn't some sort of odd ending. He already knew this was going to happen or his great attorney should have told him. He was out for 2 years before this decision. He has had plenty of time and it's also pretty typical or other cases.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am like Switzerland.
I am here to say I think it RUDE and Disrespectful to cheer or clap when someone is found guilty. I think the person should be fine or be thorn out the court room, if they don't listen transfer them to the ADC.

2nd. if someone like Mr. Shahid, who seems very clam and respect to the courtroom he should be arrested after sentencing. or 2nd aresst him at the end of the day, not in front of KIDS or family and friends watching him. cou

Pretty sure you and the defendant and his family would have clapped and cheered if he had been acquitted, don’t you think?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am like Switzerland.
I am here to say I think it RUDE and Disrespectful to cheer or clap when someone is found guilty. I think the person should be fine or be thorn out the court room, if they don't listen transfer them to the ADC.

2nd. if someone like Mr. Shahid, who seems very clam and respect to the courtroom he should be arrested after sentencing. or 2nd aresst him at the end of the day, not in front of KIDS or family and friends watching him. cou

It is a regular occurrence to go to jail after a guilty decision. This isn't some sort of odd ending. He already knew this was going to happen or his great attorney should have told him. He was out for 2 years before this decision. He has had plenty of time and it's also pretty typical or other cases.

+1 Totally foreseeable. And also, he was arrested a long time ago. What happened today was not an arrest. I hope this PP wasn’t someone who was advising the defendant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was there ever an explanation as to why this took so long?

What took so long?

Jury trial are always (over 70%) of the time between 1-2 years after the incident..

Yes but it was originally scheduled for almost a year ago - note the thread title. Why so many delays?

Defense requested multiple postponements and they unfortunately were granted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am like Switzerland.
I am here to say I think it RUDE and Disrespectful to cheer or clap when someone is found guilty. I think the person should be fine or be thorn out the court room, if they don't listen transfer them to the ADC.

2nd. if someone like Mr. Shahid, who seems very clam and respect to the courtroom he should be arrested after sentencing. or 2nd aresst him at the end of the day, not in front of KIDS or family and friends watching him. cou

What does this mean?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, is he not charged with anything for hurting the 3rd girl?

She's fine now.

Yikes! Let’s run you over and kill two of your best friends and see how fine you are two years later.

Is having zero conscience a genetic trait? You must be related to Shahid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am like Switzerland.
I am here to say I think it RUDE and Disrespectful to cheer or clap when someone is found guilty. I think the person should be fine or be thorn out the court room, if they don't listen transfer them to the ADC.

2nd. if someone like Mr. Shahid, who seems very clam and respect to the courtroom he should be arrested after sentencing. or 2nd aresst him at the end of the day, not in front of KIDS or family and friends watching him. cou

It’s always appropriate to clap and cheer when you hear good news.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was there ever an explanation as to why this took so long?

What took so long?

Jury trial are always (over 70%) of the time between 1-2 years after the incident..

Yes but it was originally scheduled for almost a year ago - note the thread title. Why so many delays?

There were two delays. It’s a standard tactic for the defense to request a delay, in the hope that a key witness becomes unavailable or forgetful. When they get a delay, often it means several months (as happened here) because judges have packed calendars and can’t easily fit a two week trial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did he also learn his sentence today? Missed that part trying to wade thru all the bs on this thread.

Tomorrow I think.

That’s a few months away, he will get a recommendation tomorrow but official is still a few months away. I will give you a clear example for tomorrow sentences.
Hypothetically, the jury agree 5 years in jail. Then the judge will set a sentencing date. That date the judge will sentence him to the amount giving or he can reduce it to something else, he doesn’t have that option to increase the time.

It’s worth noting that Judge Bellows is a heavy sentencing judge. I would expect he will give the maximum allowed by the jury decision.

The fact that the judge ordered Shahid taken into custody does NOT bode well for a light sentence. The judge did not allow the defendant to stay out of jail until a sentence was issued. That means the judge believes the guy is guilty and possibly is a flight risk. Shahid is going to get a lesson that they don't teach at Va Tech.

I said it earlier in this thread and I'll repeat it here. My guess is that no one wants to ruin this man's life. But, the jury/judge want to teach him a lesson that you can't KILL two young, innocent girls, and injure a third, and just say "my bad" and go about your life. He HAS to feel some pain for his incredibly selfish, careless decisions. So, I expect that he gets 2-3 yrs for each count. The judge runs them concurrently, and suspends half of the time based on good behavior. Shahid has to serve 2-3 yrs in prison with 2-3 suspended. That gives him time to think about his terrible decisions in jail, but it's not so long as to destroy his future. And the suspended time hangs over his head so that if he screws up again, he has more jail time waiting.

Honestly, I rather see him have 4 yrs in jail. But, I think juries/judges are soft on young people who could turn their lives around.