Physicians Assistant yelling “HELP ME” while stealing a CitiBike ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, we have seen from Emmett Till in the 60s (his white female accuser admitted to lying) to the recent Central Park birdwatcher (the video proved his white female accuser was lying) how a cry for help can often be used intentionally to minimize accountability, deflect blame, or worse, inflict harm in scenarios where they know their whiteness grants them benefits.

Even if she was right and had the bike first, her cry for help and tears followed by the quick recovery is what concerns people because of the history.

+1 This. Not sure why is so hard for people to understand this.

maybe because you are A) reflexively taking sides against her due to her race and gender and B) implying that due to their race and gender, white women must never even get visibly upset in public, let alone defend themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh, if only black people had 1% of the grace and benefit of the doubt granted to white women.

I give the boys here grace, except the ones using the disabled slur, and the one who decided to ignite an internet mob by filming this and posting it online.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just give her the bike!! Who knows what she was going through! Geez!

You know, if you assume that they arrived at the bike at the same time, there is actually an argument that the right thing to do is to give her the bike because she is (1) pregnant, (2) older than the kid, and (3) getting off work.

Like 30 years ago, people of all races in NYC would have said that the correct thing to do is give her the bike because she's a pregnant healthcare professional who just finished a shift, and he's an energetic young kid and has less need. I live in a majority black neighborhood (I'm white) and when I was pregnant, my older black neighbors were quite kind and helpful to me. And when some of my black neighbors have been pregnant, I have thought of them the same way -- as someone in a special situation who deserves a little extra assistance, whether that's shoveling a walk or asking the bus driver to hold a minute so a pregnant lady can make it to the stop.

But to think of it this way, you need to think of these people as individuals with stories and not as symbols of a race war.

[Anonymous]

JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

He rents it 20 seconds into the video, after she'd already sat on the bike. You might not rent a bike by sitting on it, but it's weird to rent a bike that someone else is sitting on. She had a right to be upset.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

You rent it through the app when you’re sitting on it via the QR code, for this iteration of Citibike. You may have used a different version with a different process.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like her employer put her on leave. I'm sure they are doing their own deep analysis of the situation/video. Luckily, they, not DCUM, get to decide her fate!

I'm one of the people defending her on here and one reason I have done so is because I want to create some kind of record of people being rational about what actually happens in the video (not what people think happened based on some incendiary caption of the video in a tweet or in a local news story, but what actually happens) in the hopes that this will in some way help her, because I think she is innocent and I think it would be really awful for her to lose her job midway through her pregnancy because some kids bullied her off a bike share and then an internet mob got involved and ruined her reputation.

Like that would just be a really dumb outcome for this situation and I hope it doesn't happen.

She’ll move to a red state where they will be happy to have her. So NYV will lose a well-trained medical professional who has dedicated her career to working in one of the highest need safety net hospitals in the country (Bellevue). Contrast that to Roxane Gay who has literally done nothing real to help anyone, ever. This woman has likely done more to help poor BIPOC in one day than the salivating keyboard warriors calling her a racist Karen have done in their entire lives.

I don’t necessarily agree with the first sentence but otherwise I do agree, Bellevue is a high-needs provider and at least some of the professionals on staff are really making some significant sacrifices and are helping underserved BIPOC for sure. There’s an internal medicine specialist there that is renowned and helped spearhead some city initiatives to improve diet and lifestyle that I’ve long admired. Who knows what her actual job performance is? The presumption that it must be bad and racist is so absurd. On topic, I do think this woman was wiped out and just mad as hell at the end of her shift and it was a stroke of catastrophically bad luck that she encountered this small group who were at the ready to record her and get their way.

I don’t think any of the people here villainizing her would have done much better in these circs. Who knows.

+1

It is actually pretty easy for me to imagine that this scenario would play out in almost the exact same way even if all the people in the video were black (including the woman and the bystander) or they were all white. People are imposing racial dynamics on it that sound plausible if you just describe the scenario, but don't really seem to be present in the video itself. And I say that after having been primed to view the video as evidence of racial bias. It's just not there.

If you can't see the white woman's appeal to authority/feigned helplessness as racially charged, then I just don't know what to tell you.

We live in a world in which racist white women can level all sorts of claims against Black men and boys, and be believed inherently. White women are taught that tears solve everything, that society will protect them, and that "big Black men (boys)" are scary. She could get someone killed behaving like that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like her employer put her on leave. I'm sure they are doing their own deep analysis of the situation/video. Luckily, they, not DCUM, get to decide her fate!

I'm one of the people defending her on here and one reason I have done so is because I want to create some kind of record of people being rational about what actually happens in the video (not what people think happened based on some incendiary caption of the video in a tweet or in a local news story, but what actually happens) in the hopes that this will in some way help her, because I think she is innocent and I think it would be really awful for her to lose her job midway through her pregnancy because some kids bullied her off a bike share and then an internet mob got involved and ruined her reputation.

Like that would just be a really dumb outcome for this situation and I hope it doesn't happen.

She’ll move to a red state where they will be happy to have her. So NYV will lose a well-trained medical professional who has dedicated her career to working in one of the highest need safety net hospitals in the country (Bellevue). Contrast that to Roxane Gay who has literally done nothing real to help anyone, ever. This woman has likely done more to help poor BIPOC in one day than the salivating keyboard warriors calling her a racist Karen have done in their entire lives.

I don’t necessarily agree with the first sentence but otherwise I do agree, Bellevue is a high-needs provider and at least some of the professionals on staff are really making some significant sacrifices and are helping underserved BIPOC for sure. There’s an internal medicine specialist there that is renowned and helped spearhead some city initiatives to improve diet and lifestyle that I’ve long admired. Who knows what her actual job performance is? The presumption that it must be bad and racist is so absurd. On topic, I do think this woman was wiped out and just mad as hell at the end of her shift and it was a stroke of catastrophically bad luck that she encountered this small group who were at the ready to record her and get their way.

I don’t think any of the people here villainizing her would have done much better in these circs. Who knows.

+1

It is actually pretty easy for me to imagine that this scenario would play out in almost the exact same way even if all the people in the video were black (including the woman and the bystander) or they were all white. People are imposing racial dynamics on it that sound plausible if you just describe the scenario, but don't really seem to be present in the video itself. And I say that after having been primed to view the video as evidence of racial bias. It's just not there.

If you can't see the white woman's appeal to authority/feigned helplessness as racially charged, then I just don't know what to tell you.

We live in a world in which racist white women can level all sorts of claims against Black men and boys, and be believed inherently. White women are taught that tears solve everything, that society will protect them, and that "big Black men (boys)" are scary. She could get someone killed behaving like that.

It appears we live in a world where black boys are the ones who are “believed inherently” even when it’s quite evident they’re lying. Which is plenty surprising to me, but I don’t know what else to make of this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

He had not rented the bike. The video is clear. You hear the “chunk” and chime of it unlocking 20 seconds in.

You’re editorializing with your sarcasm and presenting that as factual. The actual recorded facts invalidate what you claim in your post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like her employer put her on leave. I'm sure they are doing their own deep analysis of the situation/video. Luckily, they, not DCUM, get to decide her fate!

I'm one of the people defending her on here and one reason I have done so is because I want to create some kind of record of people being rational about what actually happens in the video (not what people think happened based on some incendiary caption of the video in a tweet or in a local news story, but what actually happens) in the hopes that this will in some way help her, because I think she is innocent and I think it would be really awful for her to lose her job midway through her pregnancy because some kids bullied her off a bike share and then an internet mob got involved and ruined her reputation.

Like that would just be a really dumb outcome for this situation and I hope it doesn't happen.

She’ll move to a red state where they will be happy to have her. So NYV will lose a well-trained medical professional who has dedicated her career to working in one of the highest need safety net hospitals in the country (Bellevue). Contrast that to Roxane Gay who has literally done nothing real to help anyone, ever. This woman has likely done more to help poor BIPOC in one day than the salivating keyboard warriors calling her a racist Karen have done in their entire lives.

I don’t necessarily agree with the first sentence but otherwise I do agree, Bellevue is a high-needs provider and at least some of the professionals on staff are really making some significant sacrifices and are helping underserved BIPOC for sure. There’s an internal medicine specialist there that is renowned and helped spearhead some city initiatives to improve diet and lifestyle that I’ve long admired. Who knows what her actual job performance is? The presumption that it must be bad and racist is so absurd. On topic, I do think this woman was wiped out and just mad as hell at the end of her shift and it was a stroke of catastrophically bad luck that she encountered this small group who were at the ready to record her and get their way.

I don’t think any of the people here villainizing her would have done much better in these circs. Who knows.

+1

It is actually pretty easy for me to imagine that this scenario would play out in almost the exact same way even if all the people in the video were black (including the woman and the bystander) or they were all white. People are imposing racial dynamics on it that sound plausible if you just describe the scenario, but don't really seem to be present in the video itself. And I say that after having been primed to view the video as evidence of racial bias. It's just not there.

If you can't see the white woman's appeal to authority/feigned helplessness as racially charged, then I just don't know what to tell you.

We live in a world in which racist white women can level all sorts of claims against Black men and boys, and be believed inherently. White women are taught that tears solve everything, that society will protect them, and that "big Black men (boys)" are scary. She could get someone killed behaving like that.

We quite evidently do not live in that world. Look around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like her employer put her on leave. I'm sure they are doing their own deep analysis of the situation/video. Luckily, they, not DCUM, get to decide her fate!

I'm one of the people defending her on here and one reason I have done so is because I want to create some kind of record of people being rational about what actually happens in the video (not what people think happened based on some incendiary caption of the video in a tweet or in a local news story, but what actually happens) in the hopes that this will in some way help her, because I think she is innocent and I think it would be really awful for her to lose her job midway through her pregnancy because some kids bullied her off a bike share and then an internet mob got involved and ruined her reputation.

Like that would just be a really dumb outcome for this situation and I hope it doesn't happen.

She’ll move to a red state where they will be happy to have her. So NYV will lose a well-trained medical professional who has dedicated her career to working in one of the highest need safety net hospitals in the country (Bellevue). Contrast that to Roxane Gay who has literally done nothing real to help anyone, ever. This woman has likely done more to help poor BIPOC in one day than the salivating keyboard warriors calling her a racist Karen have done in their entire lives.

I don’t necessarily agree with the first sentence but otherwise I do agree, Bellevue is a high-needs provider and at least some of the professionals on staff are really making some significant sacrifices and are helping underserved BIPOC for sure. There’s an internal medicine specialist there that is renowned and helped spearhead some city initiatives to improve diet and lifestyle that I’ve long admired. Who knows what her actual job performance is? The presumption that it must be bad and racist is so absurd. On topic, I do think this woman was wiped out and just mad as hell at the end of her shift and it was a stroke of catastrophically bad luck that she encountered this small group who were at the ready to record her and get their way.

I don’t think any of the people here villainizing her would have done much better in these circs. Who knows.

+1

It is actually pretty easy for me to imagine that this scenario would play out in almost the exact same way even if all the people in the video were black (including the woman and the bystander) or they were all white. People are imposing racial dynamics on it that sound plausible if you just describe the scenario, but don't really seem to be present in the video itself. And I say that after having been primed to view the video as evidence of racial bias. It's just not there.

If you can't see the white woman's appeal to authority/feigned helplessness as racially charged, then I just don't know what to tell you.

We live in a world in which racist white women can level all sorts of claims against Black men and boys, and be believed inherently. White women are taught that tears solve everything, that society will protect them, and that "big Black men (boys)" are scary. She could get someone killed behaving like that.

It appears we live in a world where black boys are the ones who are “believed inherently” even when it’s quite evident they’re lying. Which is plenty surprising to me, but I don’t know what else to make of this.

Yes. It is now evident that they lied, that this may be why his friend in the pink/purple is initially trying to defuse, and the fact that she is initially with no one and they are in a small group recording her is somehow irrelevant. Strange days. Not strange fruit - strange days.

I’m not going to invoke Emmitt Till in all circumstances. The posters upthread who clearly had completely sincere concerns about “dignity” are free to continue doing so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like her employer put her on leave. I'm sure they are doing their own deep analysis of the situation/video. Luckily, they, not DCUM, get to decide her fate!

I'm one of the people defending her on here and one reason I have done so is because I want to create some kind of record of people being rational about what actually happens in the video (not what people think happened based on some incendiary caption of the video in a tweet or in a local news story, but what actually happens) in the hopes that this will in some way help her, because I think she is innocent and I think it would be really awful for her to lose her job midway through her pregnancy because some kids bullied her off a bike share and then an internet mob got involved and ruined her reputation.

Like that would just be a really dumb outcome for this situation and I hope it doesn't happen.

She’ll move to a red state where they will be happy to have her. So NYV will lose a well-trained medical professional who has dedicated her career to working in one of the highest need safety net hospitals in the country (Bellevue). Contrast that to Roxane Gay who has literally done nothing real to help anyone, ever. This woman has likely done more to help poor BIPOC in one day than the salivating keyboard warriors calling her a racist Karen have done in their entire lives.

I don’t necessarily agree with the first sentence but otherwise I do agree, Bellevue is a high-needs provider and at least some of the professionals on staff are really making some significant sacrifices and are helping underserved BIPOC for sure. There’s an internal medicine specialist there that is renowned and helped spearhead some city initiatives to improve diet and lifestyle that I’ve long admired. Who knows what her actual job performance is? The presumption that it must be bad and racist is so absurd. On topic, I do think this woman was wiped out and just mad as hell at the end of her shift and it was a stroke of catastrophically bad luck that she encountered this small group who were at the ready to record her and get their way.

I don’t think any of the people here villainizing her would have done much better in these circs. Who knows.

+1

It is actually pretty easy for me to imagine that this scenario would play out in almost the exact same way even if all the people in the video were black (including the woman and the bystander) or they were all white. People are imposing racial dynamics on it that sound plausible if you just describe the scenario, but don't really seem to be present in the video itself. And I say that after having been primed to view the video as evidence of racial bias. It's just not there.

If you can't see the white woman's appeal to authority/feigned helplessness as racially charged, then I just don't know what to tell you.

We live in a world in which racist white women can level all sorts of claims against Black men and boys, and be believed inherently. White women are taught that tears solve everything, that society will protect them, and that "big Black men (boys)" are scary. She could get someone killed behaving like that.

We quite evidently do not live in that world. Look around.

YOU do not live in that world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

So you think it’s OK to physically lean over someone *already sitting on the unrented bike* to rent it? I’ve been using Citibikes a long time and I would be shocked and upset if someone did that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

He rents it 20 seconds into the video, after she'd already sat on the bike. You might not rent a bike by sitting on it, but it's weird to rent a bike that someone else is sitting on. She had a right to be upset.

Renting a bike someone has sat down on and is preparing to rent is obviously antagonistic. She should have, though, recognized these guys were messing with her because they are immature teens.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

So you think it’s OK to physically lean over someone *already sitting on the unrented bike* to rent it? I’ve been using Citibikes a long time and I would be shocked and upset if someone did that.

It's kind of a dick move, but if she wanted it, she should've scanned it first. And her reaction to that dick move was way out of line.