ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:The unfortunate reality for age guy is grouping Aug Sept players by grade makes things easier for clubs because theres no oddballs when recruiting or during the teams 8th grade season (grade older players would leave the team for 3-4 months)

Aug birthdays can still guest on grade down teams for tournament wins.

Yay, RAE guy can still get his plastic trophies.

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Anonymous wrote:It's wild that age guy just ignores what he doesn't want to believe then trys to highlight the things that don't apply.

ECNL is saying that they want grade alignment. ie Aug Sept birthdays playing up on the team thats their grade in school.

"ECNL wants kids in their age groups but have advised its clubs to allow grade alignment if that means players have to play up."

What ECNL doesnt want is grade down players playing up on a grade older team.

"They don’t want kids the grade behind playing up if they are not a top 5 player on the older team."

This is all because ECNL doesnt not want misaligned players (either way, up or down)

And Aug guy seizes on a comment that's supported by second-hand info. This is not the first time. And it's a comment that's confusing and contradicts itself -- which is why what the actual advice (if it exists) would be determinative. Ya know, like all the ECNL FAQs that detail how'll they'll be case-by-case.

IF ECNL is embracing what you are saying, why not just say it, like a few USYS clubs actually have? They have a podcast. They are big on communication. Why be secret?

Because numbuts like you will whine about RAE. Do it this way and by the time people like you figure out whats going on everyone else has already moved on.

Yes, those parents on the Facebook threads you shared who were looking forward to their kids becoming the oldest on their team. Not everyone sees things your way. It's why flexibility is required/welcomed.

Clubs wont allow to teams to have Aug misaligned players playing down on them. Its that simple, fight it all you want. Not having misaligned players playing down makes things much easier for clubs to manage. You might see clubs guesting Aug /Sept players on grade down teams for wins at tournamants but this would by one off situations

OR you might see clubs do the opposite -- as long be speculated/debated on here -- roster by age and showcase by grade.

That wont happen because ECNL posts players graduating year in their player profiles. It would show a grade older player playing on a grade younger team.

What you could do is dual roster on both teams.

But I wouldn't expect a player playing league on a grade down team to suddenly tear things up at a grade up showcase. Also I wouldn't expect grade down players or parents to be happy about a player on a grade older team playing down at showcases and stealing their minutes.

Except you might see a player tear it up at a showcase if that younger team is competing for a national title. There's all sorts of levels even within ECNL. It's all about getting minutes and competition.

No theres one level its called ECNL

If you want to play a different level its called ECRL.

I guess you miss those blowout scores that happen all too often. It's the biggest problem in closed, club-based leagues. Not every age group is as talented.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The unfortunate reality for age guy is grouping Aug Sept players by grade makes things easier for clubs because theres no oddballs when recruiting or during the teams 8th grade season (grade older players would leave the team for 3-4 months)

Aug birthdays can still guest on grade down teams for tournament wins.

College coaches said they don't care what your age group is only that you can attend the school.

Clubs don't have the capacity to collect and police grade info.

You are just rambling the same stuff without any new info.

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Anonymous wrote:Aug guy complains relentlessly about this, but guess what? Any Aug kid will be able to find a club to play on grade if need be. Will it be the level OR playing time they want? It depends how good their soccer is and being the youngest it'll have to be. If they aren't happy with the answer, they MAY find playing on age the better option for them. Either way, they are privileged to have options where 90-95% are going to the new age group with other summer birthdays misaligned having no options!

At top clubs August birthday options will be.

1. Play on your grade in school A team
2. Play on your grade in school B team
3. Play somewhere else

Which top clubs? In DMV Bethesda, Arlington and other ECNL clubs said play on age, best get to play up. You seem the opposite of on the know when you go against what clubs posted.

Trust me, bro.

No reason to trust anyone here, just check your clubs announcement. ECNL and ECRL teams in DC area mentioned on web that age is everything and don't care about grades but a few will let players play up with friends on lower level teams.

ECNL wants kids in their age groups [/b]but have advised its clubs to allow grade alignment if that means players have to play up.[/b] They don’t want kids the grade behind playing up if they are not a top 5 player on the older team.

Bolded for your pleasure. But I'll c+p Because age guy it trying to ignore what is being said

"have advised its clubs to allow grade alignment if that means players have to play up.They don’t want kids the grade behind playing up"

So nobody forced to play on grade, it could be an option for some clubs letting players play up with friends on lower level teams. This has already been covered in club postings. Nothing new.

What does friends have to do with club travel soccer?
Which coach of a high performing team wants lesser players forced upon them because of play-dates

That is what the correct grade in school B team is for.

Most will pick A team on age.

I dont agree but it doesn't matter because clubs wont allow Aug birthdays playing down on A teams.

Clubs will say that your kid didn't make an A team but they're welcome to play on the grade down B team or grade correct B team. They know which one you'll choose.

[Anonymous]

Arlington coaches next year, per a friend
Academy Teams:

U13 – Roberto Parada – USSF A License
U14 – Joe Nemzer – USSF A License
U15 – Erin Grand – USSF A License
U16 – Izzy Cotto – USSF A License
U17 – Joe Nemzer – USSF A License
U19 – Izzy Cotto – USSF A License

Academy Coach:

Molly Menchel – USSF C License

Academy & Club Leadership:

Academy Director – Erin Grand
Academy GK Director – Vahid Talebloo
Club GK Director – JP Begazo
Match Analysis & Player Development Director | Academy Coach – Sean Hart – UEFA A License
College Recruiting Advisory Group – Joe Nemzer, Izzy Cotto, Erin Grand
Women’s Director & WPSL Head Coach – George Hales – USSF A License

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The unfortunate reality for age guy is grouping Aug Sept players by grade makes things easier for clubs because theres no oddballs when recruiting or during the teams 8th grade season (grade older players would leave the team for 3-4 months)

Aug birthdays can still guest on grade down teams for tournament wins.

Yay, RAE guy can still get his plastic trophies.

Sigh ... We go around-and-around-and-around-and-around ...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The unfortunate reality for age guy is grouping Aug Sept players by grade makes things easier for clubs because theres no oddballs when recruiting or during the teams 8th grade season (grade older players would leave the team for 3-4 months)

Aug birthdays can still guest on grade down teams for tournament wins.

College coaches said they don't care what your age group is only that you can attend the school.

Clubs don't have the capacity to collect and police grade info.

You are just rambling the same stuff without any new info.

Back to ignoring what people are telling you again I see...

ECNL wants kids in their age groups [/b]but have advised its clubs to allow grade alignment if that means players have to play up.[/b] They don’t want kids the grade behind playing up if they are not a top 5 player on the older team.

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Anonymous wrote:Aug guy complains relentlessly about this, but guess what? Any Aug kid will be able to find a club to play on grade if need be. Will it be the level OR playing time they want? It depends how good their soccer is and being the youngest it'll have to be. If they aren't happy with the answer, they MAY find playing on age the better option for them. Either way, they are privileged to have options where 90-95% are going to the new age group with other summer birthdays misaligned having no options!

At top clubs August birthday options will be.

1. Play on your grade in school A team
2. Play on your grade in school B team
3. Play somewhere else

Which top clubs? In DMV Bethesda, Arlington and other ECNL clubs said play on age, best get to play up. You seem the opposite of on the know when you go against what clubs posted.

Trust me, bro.

No reason to trust anyone here, just check your clubs announcement. ECNL and ECRL teams in DC area mentioned on web that age is everything and don't care about grades but a few will let players play up with friends on lower level teams.

ECNL wants kids in their age groups [/b]but have advised its clubs to allow grade alignment if that means players have to play up.[/b] They don’t want kids the grade behind playing up if they are not a top 5 player on the older team.

Bolded for your pleasure. But I'll c+p Because age guy it trying to ignore what is being said

"have advised its clubs to allow grade alignment if that means players have to play up.They don’t want kids the grade behind playing up"

So nobody forced to play on grade, it could be an option for some clubs letting players play up with friends on lower level teams. This has already been covered in club postings. Nothing new.

What does friends have to do with club travel soccer?
Which coach of a high performing team wants lesser players forced upon them because of play-dates

That is what the correct grade in school B team is for.

Most will pick A team on age.

I dont agree but it doesn't matter because clubs wont allow Aug birthdays playing down on A teams.

Clubs will say that your kid didn't make an A team but they're welcome to play on the grade down B team or grade correct B team. They know which one you'll choose.

Except, there's that one club that had the whole elaborate process of applying for an age group and trying out AND if you didn't like the results, you could go back the next year. Another example that you shared that didn't prove your point at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The unfortunate reality for age guy is grouping Aug Sept players by grade makes things easier for clubs because theres no oddballs when recruiting or during the teams 8th grade season (grade older players would leave the team for 3-4 months)

Aug birthdays can still guest on grade down teams for tournament wins.

Yay, RAE guy can still get his plastic trophies.

Youth sports has always been about RAE and plastic trophies, even for boomers. RAE is a huge factor in determining who quits and who moves up. It's why Q1 BY so pissed and Q2 annoyed going to SY.

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Anonymous wrote:Aug guy complains relentlessly about this, but guess what? Any Aug kid will be able to find a club to play on grade if need be. Will it be the level OR playing time they want? It depends how good their soccer is and being the youngest it'll have to be. If they aren't happy with the answer, they MAY find playing on age the better option for them. Either way, they are privileged to have options where 90-95% are going to the new age group with other summer birthdays misaligned having no options!

At top clubs August birthday options will be.

1. Play on your grade in school A team
2. Play on your grade in school B team
3. Play somewhere else

Which top clubs? In DMV Bethesda, Arlington and other ECNL clubs said play on age, best get to play up. You seem the opposite of on the know when you go against what clubs posted.

Trust me, bro.

No reason to trust anyone here, just check your clubs announcement. ECNL and ECRL teams in DC area mentioned on web that age is everything and don't care about grades but a few will let players play up with friends on lower level teams.

ECNL wants kids in their age groups [/b]but have advised its clubs to allow grade alignment if that means players have to play up.[/b] They don’t want kids the grade behind playing up if they are not a top 5 player on the older team.

Bolded for your pleasure. But I'll c+p Because age guy it trying to ignore what is being said

"have advised its clubs to allow grade alignment if that means players have to play up.They don’t want kids the grade behind playing up"

So nobody forced to play on grade, it could be an option for some clubs letting players play up with friends on lower level teams. This has already been covered in club postings. Nothing new.

What does friends have to do with club travel soccer?
Which coach of a high performing team wants lesser players forced upon them because of play-dates

That is what the correct grade in school B team is for.

Most will pick A team on age.

I dont agree but it doesn't matter because clubs wont allow Aug birthdays playing down on A teams.

Clubs will say that your kid didn't make an A team but they're welcome to play on the grade down B team or grade correct B team. They know which one you'll choose.

Except, there's that one club that had the whole elaborate process of applying for an age group and trying out AND if you didn't like the results, you could go back the next year. Another example that you shared that didn't prove your point at all.

I agree that process wasnt necessary. Its much easier for clubs to just ask players grade in school during tryouts like Arlington did.

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Anonymous wrote:Aug guy complains relentlessly about this, but guess what? Any Aug kid will be able to find a club to play on grade if need be. Will it be the level OR playing time they want? It depends how good their soccer is and being the youngest it'll have to be. If they aren't happy with the answer, they MAY find playing on age the better option for them. Either way, they are privileged to have options where 90-95% are going to the new age group with other summer birthdays misaligned having no options!

At top clubs August birthday options will be.

1. Play on your grade in school A team
2. Play on your grade in school B team
3. Play somewhere else

Which top clubs? In DMV Bethesda, Arlington and other ECNL clubs said play on age, best get to play up. You seem the opposite of on the know when you go against what clubs posted.

Trust me, bro.

No reason to trust anyone here, just check your clubs announcement. ECNL and ECRL teams in DC area mentioned on web that age is everything and don't care about grades but a few will let players play up with friends on lower level teams.

ECNL wants kids in their age groups [/b]but have advised its clubs to allow grade alignment if that means players have to play up.[/b] They don’t want kids the grade behind playing up if they are not a top 5 player on the older team.

Bolded for your pleasure. But I'll c+p Because age guy it trying to ignore what is being said

"have advised its clubs to allow grade alignment if that means players have to play up.They don’t want kids the grade behind playing up"

So nobody forced to play on grade, it could be an option for some clubs letting players play up with friends on lower level teams. This has already been covered in club postings. Nothing new.

What does friends have to do with club travel soccer?
Which coach of a high performing team wants lesser players forced upon them because of play-dates

That is what the correct grade in school B team is for.

Most will pick A team on age.

I dont agree but it doesn't matter because clubs wont allow Aug birthdays playing down on A teams.

Clubs will say that your kid didn't make an A team but they're welcome to play on the grade down B team or grade correct B team. They know which one you'll choose.

Any evidence or just an uninformed old man suffering from the Dunning Krueger effect?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The unfortunate reality for age guy is grouping Aug Sept players by grade makes things easier for clubs because theres no oddballs when recruiting or during the teams 8th grade season (grade older players would leave the team for 3-4 months)

Aug birthdays can still guest on grade down teams for tournament wins.

College coaches said they don't care what your age group is only that you can attend the school.

Clubs don't have the capacity to collect and police grade info.

You are just rambling the same stuff without any new info.

Back to ignoring what people are telling you again I see...

ECNL wants kids in their age groups [/b]but have advised its clubs to allow grade alignment if that means players have to play up.[/b] They don’t want kids the grade behind playing up if they are not a top 5 player on the older team.

Well that doesn't explain this view from an ECNL club:

From page 15 of their presentation:

"School Grade is Irrelevant: It is much easier to consider the new age-group
placement as relative to the August 1st cutoff and is not tied to their school grade
level (whether they have been held back or are ahead)."

Page 19

"Can players play up a grade level?
SURVEY - Playing Up
SBV will retain the same policy we’ve always had: A player may play up an age
group only if they make the top team in that older division.
❖ Exceptions: Exceptions are rare and reserved for specific Goalkeeper situations
or to combine two small player pools to form a viable team.
Why we aren't delaying the changes:
❖ We have chosen to "rip the Band-Aid off" rather than kick the can down the road.
❖ While we could artificially keep current teams together by moving everyone to
an older age group, we would eventually be forced to fix it.
❖ We believe it is better to realign correctly now. This avoids years of confusion
and temporary fixes, ensuring every player is on the correct long-term
development path immediately"

https://storage.googleapis.com/msgsndr/YNEbnN...173966b1e3b3b9c2.pdf

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The unfortunate reality for age guy is grouping Aug Sept players by grade makes things easier for clubs because theres no oddballs when recruiting or during the teams 8th grade season (grade older players would leave the team for 3-4 months)

Aug birthdays can still guest on grade down teams for tournament wins.

Yay, RAE guy can still get his plastic trophies.

Youth sports has always been about RAE and plastic trophies, even for boomers. RAE is a huge factor in determining who quits and who moves up. It's why Q1 BY so pissed and Q2 annoyed going to SY.

I dont agree and there's studies that show in America because of p2p club soccer. Rae isn't that much of a factor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The unfortunate reality for age guy is grouping Aug Sept players by grade makes things easier for clubs because theres no oddballs when recruiting or during the teams 8th grade season (grade older players would leave the team for 3-4 months)

Aug birthdays can still guest on grade down teams for tournament wins.

College coaches said they don't care what your age group is only that you can attend the school.

Clubs don't have the capacity to collect and police grade info.

You are just rambling the same stuff without any new info.

Back to ignoring what people are telling you again I see...

ECNL wants kids in their age groups [/b]but have advised its clubs to allow grade alignment if that means players have to play up.[/b] They don’t want kids the grade behind playing up if they are not a top 5 player on the older team.

Advised to allow = have some case by case flexibility. Whatever.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The unfortunate reality for age guy is grouping Aug Sept players by grade makes things easier for clubs because theres no oddballs when recruiting or during the teams 8th grade season (grade older players would leave the team for 3-4 months)

Aug birthdays can still guest on grade down teams for tournament wins.

Yay, RAE guy can still get his plastic trophies.

Youth sports has always been about RAE and plastic trophies, even for boomers. RAE is a huge factor in determining who quits and who moves up. It's why Q1 BY so pissed and Q2 annoyed going to SY.

I dont agree and there's studies that show in America because of p2p club soccer. Rae isn't that much of a factor.

No, it's just how you see those studies. The best one that would support your view isn't peer reviewed and doesn't acknowledge the change from SY to BY, among other potential flaws.