Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:When the Governor of Utah says the suspect is not cooperating, I think that means tbe suspect is not going along with the government's preconceiived storyline.

Exactly.

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I fear for his life. Dead men tell no tales.

Right on cue

He's being seen by psychiatrist Wolly Jest to make sure he gets the best treatment and nothing happens to him before we get a clear and rational explanation.

Rational is subjective. To Trump and the right, the only rational explanation is it was carried lut by the left. They just can't deal with the possibility that it was their own who killed Kirk.

Gov Cox (not exactly Mr MAGA) who is leading the investigation said the killer was indoctrinated online by leftist ideology on every Sunday show. How was he one of their own?

I just read an article that investigators are pointing to gaming and the dark internet subculture as the source of that indoctrination. Even Cox recently made that reference. It doesn’t seem unlikely that they misunderstood the nature of the radicalization early on by thinking in conventional terms (investigators probably understood). Hopefully the poster who was celebrating yesterday about wasting “350 pages” on the topic sticks around.

The governor cited Reddit as an example of the deep, dark internet. He has no idea what he’s talking about.

I get where you're coming from, but if you go full circle, Reddit is like a lounge for the freaks that live online. It isn't where they discuss assassination plots, but it is most definitely where they go to circle jerk and echo chamber. Spend any time on the DC sub and you'll quickly see you aren't one of the cool kids unless you drink the kool aid of bike lanes, mass transit, all things gay and black and on and on with all the predictables.

LOL, equating a more positive and sustainable urban built environment with the dark corners of reddit and discord.

Way to miss the point.

Nah, not missing the point. You are willfully trying to equate Nick Fuentes with "leftist" urban aims.

Way to miss the point again. If you think Tyler didn't have an active Reddit account, you are the moron, not Cox.

DP. What does that have to do with anything?

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't a question of being framed, it is much more a question of misunderstanding the evidence. The bullet casings are references to GAMING, regardless of their origin stories.

So far we have some facts:

*Charlie Kirk was hated by people on left and right

*Robinson grew up in a a deeply conservative family, in a deeply conservative area, with knowledge and access to guns from a very young age

*Robinson attended a very conservative college for a year and then dropped out and moved back to home town

*Robinson spent most of his time gaming and interacting with a world that is heavily influenced by the alt-right

These are the facts that stand out to me. Even if his romantic partner is trans, even if he hated Charlie Kirk for anti-trans comments, the above facts are formative parts of this story.

The bolded is a feature, not a bug of the alt right. The furries and what not. People need to understand this to understand the world the shooter was living in.

I came back to this thread to see if posters here were still insisting the shooter was absolutely a hard right extremist when the evidence all seems to be piling up on the other side of that narrative. You really have to want this to be the answer to continue unequivocally pushing it. Anyone without an agenda would at least be saying the picture is unclear at this point. Your credibility is fading.

DP: Furries are neither left nor right. They're nihilists.

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't a question of being framed, it is much more a question of misunderstanding the evidence. The bullet casings are references to GAMING, regardless of their origin stories.

So far we have some facts:

*Charlie Kirk was hated by people on left and right

*Robinson grew up in a a deeply conservative family, in a deeply conservative area, with knowledge and access to guns from a very young age

*Robinson attended a very conservative college for a year and then dropped out and moved back to home town

*Robinson spent most of his time gaming and interacting with a world that is heavily influenced by the alt-right

These are the facts that stand out to me. Even if his romantic partner is trans, even if he hated Charlie Kirk for anti-trans comments, the above facts are formative parts of this story.

The bolded is a feature, not a bug of the alt right. The furries and what not. People need to understand this to understand the world the shooter was living in.

I came back to this thread to see if posters here were still insisting the shooter was absolutely a hard right extremist when the evidence all seems to be piling up on the other side of that narrative. You really have to want this to be the answer to continue unequivocally pushing it. Anyone without an agenda would at least be saying the picture is unclear at this point. Your credibility is fading.

Statistically, there is very little chance this guy was on the left. Left wing political violence is more likely to be property crime. Right wing political violence is more likely to involve guns and murder.

But just like they want us to believe the statistically improbable outcome of sweeping the battleground states, they want us to believe this because it serves their agenda.

The relatives are on record now saying the partner hated Christians and conservatives, and that Tyler also had those beliefs now. When are you all going to stop denying facts?

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Anonymous wrote:When the Governor of Utah says the suspect is not cooperating, I think that means tbe suspect is not going along with the government's preconceiived storyline.

Exactly.

+1

I fear for his life. Dead men tell no tales.

Right on cue

He's being seen by psychiatrist Wolly Jest to make sure he gets the best treatment and nothing happens to him before we get a clear and rational explanation.

Rational is subjective. To Trump and the right, the only rational explanation is it was carried lut by the left. They just can't deal with the possibility that it was their own who killed Kirk.

Gov Cox (not exactly Mr MAGA) who is leading the investigation said the killer was indoctrinated online by leftist ideology on every Sunday show. How was he one of their own?

Did he specify what "leftist ideology" meant or just keep repeating that phrase. Who/what was the group indoctrinating him? Where is this leftist group that supports assassination as a way to solve problems?

More likely this guy is a product of nihilistic online gaming culture that draws from extreme views on both sides, but that won't suit the Trump narrative. Who knows. But parroting this stuff until they can get words from the shooter is dangerous right now. Especially when you have the POTUS and other GOP politicians talking about retribution against Democrats. Irresponsible. It would have been fine to say we aren't sure yet.

Blackpilling, nihilism and accelerationism toward a civil war (along with actions to try and bring us there) are things that a certain segment of right wing online subculture and right wing groups like Boogaloo Boys and Groyper Army are all about. They are destroyers, whereas Charlie Kirk and his ilk are on a different right wing path, of remaking America in Christian Nationalism.

Cox seems naive, he comes off more like a boomer than someone in his 50s, and he doesn't seem aware of the depth and breadth and varying, often opposing viewpoints and ideations in online right wing subcultures.

Is there even room for Mormons in a Christian Nationalist America, or do they get persecuted too?

This is a great point. My evangelical family members would say 100% that Mormons are going to hell as they do not believe in the one, true God.

This is what happened to many people in Hitler's Germany too. People stood by and did nothing as he went after what they thought were their common enemies, whether socialists, trade unionists, jews, etc, but then when Hitler came after them there weren't enough people in opposition left to help stop Hitler.

Mormons are ultra MAGA. And I believe Tyler and/ or Lance were assisting Kirk.

No, a lot of the Mormons backed Evan McMullin over Trump and I suspect Trump still holds a grudge over it. I wouldn't be surprised if behind the scenes, Trump is coercing Utah officials with threats.

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't a question of being framed, it is much more a question of misunderstanding the evidence. The bullet casings are references to GAMING, regardless of their origin stories.

So far we have some facts:

*Charlie Kirk was hated by people on left and right

*Robinson grew up in a a deeply conservative family, in a deeply conservative area, with knowledge and access to guns from a very young age

*Robinson attended a very conservative college for a year and then dropped out and moved back to home town

*Robinson spent most of his time gaming and interacting with a world that is heavily influenced by the alt-right

These are the facts that stand out to me. Even if his romantic partner is trans, even if he hated Charlie Kirk for anti-trans comments, the above facts are formative parts of this story.

The bolded is a feature, not a bug of the alt right. The furries and what not. People need to understand this to understand the world the shooter was living in.

I came back to this thread to see if posters here were still insisting the shooter was absolutely a hard right extremist when the evidence all seems to be piling up on the other side of that narrative. You really have to want this to be the answer to continue unequivocally pushing it. Anyone without an agenda would at least be saying the picture is unclear at this point. Your credibility is fading.

Statistically, there is very little chance this guy was on the left. Left wing political violence is more likely to be property crime. Right wing political violence is more likely to involve guns and murder.

But just like they want us to believe the statistically improbable outcome of sweeping the battleground states, they want us to believe this because it serves their agenda.

The relatives are on record now saying the partner hated Christians and conservatives, and that Tyler also had those beliefs now. When are you all going to stop denying facts?

Ahh sure, anonymous, unnamed "relatives" and we have no way of independently verifying any of this.

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Anonymous wrote:When the Governor of Utah says the suspect is not cooperating, I think that means tbe suspect is not going along with the government's preconceiived storyline.

Exactly.

+1

I fear for his life. Dead men tell no tales.

Right on cue

He's being seen by psychiatrist Wolly Jest to make sure he gets the best treatment and nothing happens to him before we get a clear and rational explanation.

Rational is subjective. To Trump and the right, the only rational explanation is it was carried lut by the left. They just can't deal with the possibility that it was their own who killed Kirk.

Gov Cox (not exactly Mr MAGA) who is leading the investigation said the killer was indoctrinated online by leftist ideology on every Sunday show. How was he one of their own?

Did he specify what "leftist ideology" meant or just keep repeating that phrase. Who/what was the group indoctrinating him? Where is this leftist group that supports assassination as a way to solve problems?

More likely this guy is a product of nihilistic online gaming culture that draws from extreme views on both sides, but that won't suit the Trump narrative. Who knows. But parroting this stuff until they can get words from the shooter is dangerous right now. Especially when you have the POTUS and other GOP politicians talking about retribution against Democrats. Irresponsible. It would have been fine to say we aren't sure yet.

Blackpilling, nihilism and accelerationism toward a civil war (along with actions to try and bring us there) are things that a certain segment of right wing online subculture and right wing groups like Boogaloo Boys and Groyper Army are all about. They are destroyers, whereas Charlie Kirk and his ilk are on a different right wing path, of remaking America in Christian Nationalism.

Cox seems naive, he comes off more like a boomer than someone in his 50s, and he doesn't seem aware of the depth and breadth and varying, often opposing viewpoints and ideations in online right wing subcultures.

Is there even room for Mormons in a Christian Nationalist America, or do they get persecuted too?

This is a great point. My evangelical family members would say 100% that Mormons are going to hell as they do not believe in the one, true God.

This is what happened to many people in Hitler's Germany too. People stood by and did nothing as he went after what they thought were their common enemies, whether socialists, trade unionists, jews, etc, but then when Hitler came after them there weren't enough people in opposition left to help stop Hitler.

Mormons are ultra MAGA. And I believe Tyler and/ or Lance were assisting Kirk.

No, a lot of the Mormons backed Evan McMullin over Trump and I suspect Trump still holds a grudge over it. I wouldn't be surprised if behind the scenes, Trump is coercing Utah officials with threats.

Most Mormons are very white and conservative.

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't a question of being framed, it is much more a question of misunderstanding the evidence. The bullet casings are references to GAMING, regardless of their origin stories.

So far we have some facts:

*Charlie Kirk was hated by people on left and right

*Robinson grew up in a a deeply conservative family, in a deeply conservative area, with knowledge and access to guns from a very young age

*Robinson attended a very conservative college for a year and then dropped out and moved back to home town

*Robinson spent most of his time gaming and interacting with a world that is heavily influenced by the alt-right

These are the facts that stand out to me. Even if his romantic partner is trans, even if he hated Charlie Kirk for anti-trans comments, the above facts are formative parts of this story.

The bolded is a feature, not a bug of the alt right. The furries and what not. People need to understand this to understand the world the shooter was living in.

I came back to this thread to see if posters here were still insisting the shooter was absolutely a hard right extremist when the evidence all seems to be piling up on the other side of that narrative. You really have to want this to be the answer to continue unequivocally pushing it. Anyone without an agenda would at least be saying the picture is unclear at this point. Your credibility is fading.

Statistically, there is very little chance this guy was on the left. Left wing political violence is more likely to be property crime. Right wing political violence is more likely to involve guns and murder.

But just like they want us to believe the statistically improbable outcome of sweeping the battleground states, they want us to believe this because it serves their agenda.

The relatives are on record now saying the partner hated Christians and conservatives, and that Tyler also had those beliefs now. When are you all going to stop denying facts?

Ahh sure, anonymous, unnamed "relatives" and we have no way of independently verifying any of this.

I think these guys were CIA or independent contractors or something. The ‘relatives’ won’t be talking.

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Anonymous wrote:When the Governor of Utah says the suspect is not cooperating, I think that means tbe suspect is not going along with the government's preconceiived storyline.

Exactly.

+1

I fear for his life. Dead men tell no tales.

Right on cue

He's being seen by psychiatrist Wolly Jest to make sure he gets the best treatment and nothing happens to him before we get a clear and rational explanation.

Rational is subjective. To Trump and the right, the only rational explanation is it was carried lut by the left. They just can't deal with the possibility that it was their own who killed Kirk.

Gov Cox (not exactly Mr MAGA) who is leading the investigation said the killer was indoctrinated online by leftist ideology on every Sunday show. How was he one of their own?

Did he specify what "leftist ideology" meant or just keep repeating that phrase. Who/what was the group indoctrinating him? Where is this leftist group that supports assassination as a way to solve problems?

More likely this guy is a product of nihilistic online gaming culture that draws from extreme views on both sides, but that won't suit the Trump narrative. Who knows. But parroting this stuff until they can get words from the shooter is dangerous right now. Especially when you have the POTUS and other GOP politicians talking about retribution against Democrats. Irresponsible. It would have been fine to say we aren't sure yet.

Blackpilling, nihilism and accelerationism toward a civil war (along with actions to try and bring us there) are things that a certain segment of right wing online subculture and right wing groups like Boogaloo Boys and Groyper Army are all about. They are destroyers, whereas Charlie Kirk and his ilk are on a different right wing path, of remaking America in Christian Nationalism.

Cox seems naive, he comes off more like a boomer than someone in his 50s, and he doesn't seem aware of the depth and breadth and varying, often opposing viewpoints and ideations in online right wing subcultures.

Is there even room for Mormons in a Christian Nationalist America, or do they get persecuted too?

This is a great point. My evangelical family members would say 100% that Mormons are going to hell as they do not believe in the one, true God.

This is what happened to many people in Hitler's Germany too. People stood by and did nothing as he went after what they thought were their common enemies, whether socialists, trade unionists, jews, etc, but then when Hitler came after them there weren't enough people in opposition left to help stop Hitler.

Mormons are ultra MAGA. And I believe Tyler and/ or Lance were assisting Kirk.

No, a lot of the Mormons backed Evan McMullin over Trump and I suspect Trump still holds a grudge over it. I wouldn't be surprised if behind the scenes, Trump is coercing Utah officials with threats.

Most Mormons are very white and conservative.

Yes but that does not automatically equate to MAGA. Trump isn't a true conservative. He's a demagogue who panders to conservatives on certain things.

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Anonymous wrote:If Lance and Tyler were this flaming, furry bizarre counterculture couple, they would have left Utah.

No they wouldn’t have. There’s people like that everywhere, literally everywhere, in every small town in the US. They find community online and get radicalized that way. Now I’m not saying the shooter was textbook far left - it seems just as likely he was pretty much apolitical and was radicalized into violence by gamer meme internet culture, where he seemed to spend most of his time. But to say oh there’s no one like that in a small town in Utah or wherever is patently false.

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't a question of being framed, it is much more a question of misunderstanding the evidence. The bullet casings are references to GAMING, regardless of their origin stories.

So far we have some facts:

*Charlie Kirk was hated by people on left and right

*Robinson grew up in a a deeply conservative family, in a deeply conservative area, with knowledge and access to guns from a very young age

*Robinson attended a very conservative college for a year and then dropped out and moved back to home town

*Robinson spent most of his time gaming and interacting with a world that is heavily influenced by the alt-right

These are the facts that stand out to me. Even if his romantic partner is trans, even if he hated Charlie Kirk for anti-trans comments, the above facts are formative parts of this story.

The bolded is a feature, not a bug of the alt right. The furries and what not. People need to understand this to understand the world the shooter was living in.

I came back to this thread to see if posters here were still insisting the shooter was absolutely a hard right extremist when the evidence all seems to be piling up on the other side of that narrative. You really have to want this to be the answer to continue unequivocally pushing it. Anyone without an agenda would at least be saying the picture is unclear at this point. Your credibility is fading.

Statistically, there is very little chance this guy was on the left. Left wing political violence is more likely to be property crime. Right wing political violence is more likely to involve guns and murder.

But just like they want us to believe the statistically improbable outcome of sweeping the battleground states, they want us to believe this because it serves their agenda.

Except for the hole setting occupied buildings on fire part. Oh, and shooting counter protesters in the head. And stabbing other protesters. But, yeah, they are peaceful otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This isn't a question of being framed, it is much more a question of misunderstanding the evidence. The bullet casings are references to GAMING, regardless of their origin stories.

So far we have some facts:

*Charlie Kirk was hated by people on left and right

*Robinson grew up in a a deeply conservative family, in a deeply conservative area, with knowledge and access to guns from a very young age

*Robinson attended a very conservative college for a year and then dropped out and moved back to home town

*Robinson spent most of his time gaming and interacting with a world that is heavily influenced by the alt-right

These are the facts that stand out to me. Even if his romantic partner is trans, even if he hated Charlie Kirk for anti-trans comments, the above facts are formative parts of this story.

The bolded is a feature, not a bug of the alt right. The furries and what not. People need to understand this to understand the world the shooter was living in.

I came back to this thread to see if posters here were still insisting the shooter was absolutely a hard right extremist when the evidence all seems to be piling up on the other side of that narrative. You really have to want this to be the answer to continue unequivocally pushing it. Anyone without an agenda would at least be saying the picture is unclear at this point. Your credibility is fading.

Statistically, there is very little chance this guy was on the left. Left wing political violence is more likely to be property crime. Right wing political violence is more likely to involve guns and murder.

But just like they want us to believe the statistically improbable outcome of sweeping the battleground states, they want us to believe this because it serves their agenda.

The relatives are on record now saying the partner hated Christians and conservatives, and that Tyler also had those beliefs now. When are you all going to stop denying facts?

Not really. The two named (not anonymous) relatives on record said they were ALL MAGAs. So I am going with the named relatives and not anonymous ones.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the guy was struggling with being gay. The Mormon church hates gay people. Conservatives are currently at war with the LGBTQ community. When you’re trying to come to terms with who you are, these external factors of pure unadulterated hatred sure don’t make it easy.

Kirk shouldn’t have been shot but it isn’t like he did much good in the world either.

The alt-right attracts a surprising amount of young gay men. It’s complicated, but a lot of the values of that community align with the right (particularly the glorifying of masculinity). LGBTQ are more accepted in society nowadays, so civil rights isn’t at the forefront of their concerns. I don’t think they’re aware of how precarious their position is. There must be some cognitive dissonance that goes on when conservative leaders throw them under the bus.

But Tyler is not gay.

He sucks d*ck. That makes him gay.

And you know this how?

The PP does not know this and can not know this because no such evidence has been produced.

Which means the PP is either a demented, naive fool, who belives every single thing his tribe says,

Or the PP is a demented liar who doesn't care about the truth.

But one thing the PP is absolutely not is someone in full command of conclusive evidence.

And you’re saying the same thing about all the unfounded speculation that trans people and leftist radicalization caused the shooting, right?

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I googled for any statements Charlie Kirk made about Joe Biden's agressive prostate cancer diagnosis. I didn't find much besides a podcast about a cover up, and matter of fact tweet by Kirk about the diagnosis. However, there were plenty of comments by MAGA in response to the tweet that were gleefully and disrespectfully celebrating Biden's cancer. Did those MAGAs lose their jobs? Did they receive death threats, like the Ohio councilman whose Facebook post saying that the world is a better place without Kirk spreading hatred was shared by Libs Of Tik Tok?

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Anonymous wrote:When the Governor of Utah says the suspect is not cooperating, I think that means tbe suspect is not going along with the government's preconceiived storyline.

Exactly.

+1

I fear for his life. Dead men tell no tales.

Right on cue

He's being seen by psychiatrist Wolly Jest to make sure he gets the best treatment and nothing happens to him before we get a clear and rational explanation.

Rational is subjective. To Trump and the right, the only rational explanation is it was carried lut by the left. They just can't deal with the possibility that it was their own who killed Kirk.

Gov Cox (not exactly Mr MAGA) who is leading the investigation said the killer was indoctrinated online by leftist ideology on every Sunday show. How was he one of their own?

Did he specify what "leftist ideology" meant or just keep repeating that phrase. Who/what was the group indoctrinating him? Where is this leftist group that supports assassination as a way to solve problems?

More likely this guy is a product of nihilistic online gaming culture that draws from extreme views on both sides, but that won't suit the Trump narrative. Who knows. But parroting this stuff until they can get words from the shooter is dangerous right now. Especially when you have the POTUS and other GOP politicians talking about retribution against Democrats. Irresponsible. It would have been fine to say we aren't sure yet.

Blackpilling, nihilism and accelerationism toward a civil war (along with actions to try and bring us there) are things that a certain segment of right wing online subculture and right wing groups like Boogaloo Boys and Groyper Army are all about. They are destroyers, whereas Charlie Kirk and his ilk are on a different right wing path, of remaking America in Christian Nationalism.

Cox seems naive, he comes off more like a boomer than someone in his 50s, and he doesn't seem aware of the depth and breadth and varying, often opposing viewpoints and ideations in online right wing subcultures.

Is there even room for Mormons in a Christian Nationalist America, or do they get persecuted too?

This is a great point. My evangelical family members would say 100% that Mormons are going to hell as they do not believe in the one, true God.

This is what happened to many people in Hitler's Germany too. People stood by and did nothing as he went after what they thought were their common enemies, whether socialists, trade unionists, jews, etc, but then when Hitler came after them there weren't enough people in opposition left to help stop Hitler.

Mormons are ultra MAGA. And I believe Tyler and/ or Lance were assisting Kirk.

No, a lot of the Mormons backed Evan McMullin over Trump and I suspect Trump still holds a grudge over it. I wouldn't be surprised if behind the scenes, Trump is coercing Utah officials with threats.

Most Mormons are very white and conservative.

Yes but that does not automatically equate to MAGA. Trump isn't a true conservative. He's a demagogue who panders to conservatives on certain things.

I am positive many young Mormon men from UTAH, supported Kirk.

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't a question of being framed, it is much more a question of misunderstanding the evidence. The bullet casings are references to GAMING, regardless of their origin stories.

So far we have some facts:

*Charlie Kirk was hated by people on left and right

*Robinson grew up in a a deeply conservative family, in a deeply conservative area, with knowledge and access to guns from a very young age

*Robinson attended a very conservative college for a year and then dropped out and moved back to home town

*Robinson spent most of his time gaming and interacting with a world that is heavily influenced by the alt-right

These are the facts that stand out to me. Even if his romantic partner is trans, even if he hated Charlie Kirk for anti-trans comments, the above facts are formative parts of this story.

The bolded is a feature, not a bug of the alt right. The furries and what not. People need to understand this to understand the world the shooter was living in.

I came back to this thread to see if posters here were still insisting the shooter was absolutely a hard right extremist when the evidence all seems to be piling up on the other side of that narrative. You really have to want this to be the answer to continue unequivocally pushing it. Anyone without an agenda would at least be saying the picture is unclear at this point. Your credibility is fading.

Statistically, there is very little chance this guy was on the left. Left wing political violence is more likely to be property crime. Right wing political violence is more likely to involve guns and murder.

But just like they want us to believe the statistically improbable outcome of sweeping the battleground states, they want us to believe this because it serves their agenda.

The relatives are on record now saying the partner hated Christians and conservatives, and that Tyler also had those beliefs now. When are you all going to stop denying facts?

We don’t know anything, so I don’t care personally. I think it’s just as likely that his alt right extreme Christian upbringing totally F them up.