Plant Paradox?

[Anonymous]

I have a friend who's experienced great results since July on this lifestyle. Any other feedback?

[Anonymous]

NP. Has anybody followed the way of eating as outlined in the book? I have two autoimmune disorders and am hoping this will help.

[Anonymous]

Anyone?

[Anonymous]

It seems pretty controversial as anything other than a weight loss diet. I'd like to see more research on the diet and autoimmune- there doesn't seem to be much. On the contrary, there is a lot of evidence that not eating some of the foods you are supposed to cut, like tomatoes, beans, etc., means you are cutting out a lot of benefits too.

The lectin theory doesn't really hold up. The properties that Gundry is concerned about in legumes disappear when cooked. So cook your beans...but doesn't seem to be an argument for cutting them.

My bet is this will be a fad. I'm doing my best to limit/cut out processed foods, added sugars, and gluten, and all dairy except for full fat organic yogurt. I'm managing my stress, getting plenty of sleep, and doing exercise that helps my mental and physical health which for me is yoga and walking. I don't believe cutting beans or tomatoes will get me where I want to be. But I'll be watching to see if there is additional evidence or more studies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems pretty controversial as anything other than a weight loss diet. I'd like to see more research on the diet and autoimmune- there doesn't seem to be much. On the contrary, there is a lot of evidence that not eating some of the foods you are supposed to cut, like tomatoes, beans, etc., means you are cutting out a lot of benefits too.

The lectin theory doesn't really hold up. The properties that Gundry is concerned about in legumes disappear when cooked. So cook your beans...but doesn't seem to be an argument for cutting them.

My bet is this will be a fad. I'm doing my best to limit/cut out processed foods, added sugars, and gluten, and all dairy except for full fat organic yogurt. I'm managing my stress, getting plenty of sleep, and doing exercise that helps my mental and physical health which for me is yoga and walking. I don't believe cutting beans or tomatoes will get me where I want to be. But I'll be watching to see if there is additional evidence or more studies.

Thanks. I'm the PP who resurrected this thread. I have two autoimmune diseases and this book was recommended to me by a person who had great success on the diet. I'm willing to try anything that could work. He does say that beans and things like rice, quinoa etc are ok if they've been pressure cooked. The thing I'm most concerned about is convenience and what to do when I'm out of the house and in social situations.

[Anonymous]

Bumping this to see if anyone else has experience with the Plant Paradox diet. It seems pretty overwhelming to me, but I would like to try it. I am allergic to nuts and am a vegetarian, so don't know how realistic it would be for me.

[Anonymous]

Anyone?

[Anonymous]

https://www.redpenreviews.org/reviews/the-plant-paradox-the-hidden-dangers-in-healthy-foods-that-cause-disease-and-weight-gain/

Basically, it has little scientific evidence and probably works because you cut out foods that calorically dense, not because cucumbers are evil.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.redpenreviews.org/reviews/the-plant-paradox-the-hidden-dangers-in-healthy-foods-that-cause-disease-and-weight-gain/

Basically, it has little scientific evidence and probably works because you cut out foods that calorically dense, not because cucumbers are evil.

In my case it would be cutting out peppers, tomatoes, cucumbers and fruit like watermelon and cherries. What is calorically dense about those?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.redpenreviews.org/reviews/the-plant-paradox-the-hidden-dangers-in-healthy-foods-that-cause-disease-and-weight-gain/

Basically, it has little scientific evidence and probably works because you cut out foods that calorically dense, not because cucumbers are evil.

In my case it would be cutting out peppers, tomatoes, cucumbers and fruit like watermelon and cherries. What is calorically dense about those?

^^I also have 2 autoimmune disorders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.redpenreviews.org/reviews/the-plant-paradox-the-hidden-dangers-in-healthy-foods-that-cause-disease-and-weight-gain/

Basically, it has little scientific evidence and probably works because you cut out foods that calorically dense, not because cucumbers are evil.

In my case it would be cutting out peppers, tomatoes, cucumbers and fruit like watermelon and cherries. What is calorically dense about those?

They aren’t, but the diet also has you avoid grains, most dairy, red meat, etc which means you can’t eat most calorically dense foods. People on this diet are eating low calorie foods like vegetables and lean protein, which is why they lose weight. Not because they avoided tomatoes and cherries.

[Anonymous]

I hate people that slam various diet options, but scientifically this appears to be crap. There is a great rundown of the complete lack of actual science and the overstated Peer reviewer research basis on the nutritionstudies.org website, not saying I am all in on that diet either, just the break down of the scientific cites is amusing/alarming.

Try the diet if you think it will make a difference for you, but don’t buy into the idea that this is based on reliable research. It is experimental and may work for some but is suspect in many ways.

[Anonymous]

As someone who doesn't tolerate many night shade plants, I just looked this up. Avoid seed fruits and veggies? So eat potatoes mostly? And seeds, eat like it is 12000BC? And what is a blue light danger? Let me tell you a simpler way...cut wheat and dairy from your diet first. And what about the Blue
Zones? They eat whole grains, legumes and plants with seeds and seem to be doing awesome health and longevity wise. This appears to be a true quackery!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As someone who doesn't tolerate many night shade plants, I just looked this up. Avoid seed fruits and veggies? So eat potatoes mostly? And seeds, eat like it is 12000BC? And what is a blue light danger? Let me tell you a simpler way...cut wheat and dairy from your diet first. And what about the Blue
Zones? They eat whole grains, legumes and plants with seeds and seem to be doing awesome health and longevity wise. This appears to be a true quackery!

I'm the PP with two autoimmune diseases asking about people's experience with this diet. I have been gluten free for about 4 years and have been dairy free for around a year. I am a vegetarian, so tend to eat a lot of legumes. I also eat a lot of tomatoes and bell peppers. Potatoes are nightshades, so they aren't compliant with Plant Paradox but sweet potatoes are.

I have tried all of the conventional wisdom and it hasn't worked for me. I've continued to flare with my conditions and have breakthrough symptoms even on immunosuppressants, and I've continued to gain weight even though I eat whole foods, mostly plants, and not too much of them.

I'm going to try this for around a month and see if I notice any difference. I'm pretty much willing to try anything at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As someone who doesn't tolerate many night shade plants, I just looked this up. Avoid seed fruits and veggies? So eat potatoes mostly? And seeds, eat like it is 12000BC? And what is a blue light danger? Let me tell you a simpler way...cut wheat and dairy from your diet first. And what about the Blue
Zones? They eat whole grains, legumes and plants with seeds and seem to be doing awesome health and longevity wise. This appears to be a true quackery!

I'm the PP with two autoimmune diseases asking about people's experience with this diet. I have been gluten free for about 4 years and have been dairy free for around a year. I am a vegetarian, so tend to eat a lot of legumes. I also eat a lot of tomatoes and bell peppers. Potatoes are nightshades, so they aren't compliant with Plant Paradox but sweet potatoes are.

I have tried all of the conventional wisdom and it hasn't worked for me. I've continued to flare with my conditions and have breakthrough symptoms even on immunosuppressants, and I've continued to gain weight even though I eat whole foods, mostly plants, and not too much of them.

I'm going to try this for around a month and see if I notice any difference. I'm pretty much willing to try anything at this point.

Well I hope you report and let us know how if it is helping!