8 Skiers dead after accidental Avalanche in California!

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Anonymous wrote:This is absolutely davastating! my thoughts and prayers are with the families right now.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62dke15357o

Can you imagine heading out for a day of fun and then, THIS??

What is an "accidental" avalanche?

Versus a deliberately triggered avalanche.

But this was just an avalanche. It wasn't an "accidental avalanche." Shit just happens. There was no need whatsoever for the weird modifier.

That makes it accidental vs avalanches that are triggered using techniques such as explosives to make skiiing areas more safe.

+1. The fact that some posters don’t even know this occurs explains so much about some of the commentary.

When skiers trigger an avalanche, that's not just accidental.

Exactly. The women triggered the avalanche.

Definitely not the conditions ripe for avalanches.

"Accidentally" means, by definition, unexpectedly or unintentionally. Is English your first language?

This avalanche wasn't unexpected. What are you talking about? There were avalanche warnings and predictions. So, exactly the opposite of an accident.

If that avalanche wasn't unexpected, why did the expert guides lead their clients through there? It was either accidental or negligence.

But they were highly intelligent, experienced back country skiers, right? They made the choice to go on a ski trip when extreme weather conditions and chance of svalanches had been predicted for a week. Or they weren't smart and experienced enough to look at weather reports? Which is it?

Clearly the guides' decisionmaking was lacking.

What about the decision making of the skiers who embarked on the trip?

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Anonymous wrote:This is absolutely davastating! my thoughts and prayers are with the families right now.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62dke15357o

Can you imagine heading out for a day of fun and then, THIS??

What is an "accidental" avalanche?

Versus a deliberately triggered avalanche.

But this was just an avalanche. It wasn't an "accidental avalanche." Shit just happens. There was no need whatsoever for the weird modifier.

That makes it accidental vs avalanches that are triggered using techniques such as explosives to make skiiing areas more safe.

+1. The fact that some posters don’t even know this occurs explains so much about some of the commentary.

When skiers trigger an avalanche, that's not just accidental.

Exactly. The women triggered the avalanche.

Definitely not the conditions ripe for avalanches.

"Accidentally" means, by definition, unexpectedly or unintentionally. Is English your first language?

This avalanche wasn't unexpected. What are you talking about? There were avalanche warnings and predictions. So, exactly the opposite of an accident.

If that avalanche wasn't unexpected, why did the expert guides lead their clients through there? It was either accidental or negligence.

But they were highly intelligent, experienced back country skiers, right? They made the choice to go on a ski trip when extreme weather conditions and chance of svalanches had been predicted for a week. Or they weren't smart and experienced enough to look at weather reports? Which is it?

Clearly the guides' decisionmaking was lacking.

What about the decision making of the skiers who embarked on the trip?

Never question the experts with your Facebook research.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is absolutely davastating! my thoughts and prayers are with the families right now.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62dke15357o

Can you imagine heading out for a day of fun and then, THIS??

What is an "accidental" avalanche?

Versus a deliberately triggered avalanche.

But this was just an avalanche. It wasn't an "accidental avalanche." Shit just happens. There was no need whatsoever for the weird modifier.

That makes it accidental vs avalanches that are triggered using techniques such as explosives to make skiiing areas more safe.

+1. The fact that some posters don’t even know this occurs explains so much about some of the commentary.

When skiers trigger an avalanche, that's not just accidental.

Exactly. The women triggered the avalanche.

Definitely not the conditions ripe for avalanches.

"Accidentally" means, by definition, unexpectedly or unintentionally. Is English your first language?

This avalanche wasn't unexpected. What are you talking about? There were avalanche warnings and predictions. So, exactly the opposite of an accident.

If that avalanche wasn't unexpected, why did the expert guides lead their clients through there? It was either accidental or negligence.

But they were highly intelligent, experienced back country skiers, right? They made the choice to go on a ski trip when extreme weather conditions and chance of svalanches had been predicted for a week. Or they weren't smart and experienced enough to look at weather reports? Which is it?

Clearly the guides' decisionmaking was lacking.

What about the decision making of the skiers who embarked on the trip?

Never question the experts with your Facebook research.

I don't look at Facebook.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I read a very interesting article about the Tunnel Creek avalanche in which a group of 16 expert skiiers went on an off piste run. Several of them actually had huge reservations at various stages (About timing, route, conditions, size of group...) but all separately expressed after the fact that they could not bring themselves to say anything because they didn't want to be perceived as cowardly, lacking in expertise. Some of these people were local and had known the mountain and skiied it their entire lives.

Highly recommend this article in NY Times, it's called Snow Fall: the avalanche at Tunnel Creek.

This is a great read. The lead man ignored the avalanche forecast.
Three men were killed in the avalanche. One woman survived but she had a new to the market inflatable thing. Another man
survived by being wedged between two trees. All 16 were expert skiers.

I think what I’m learning from all of this (as someone who never skis and has zero interest in it), is that these people understand the risks and consequences because they go out there equipped for potential avalanches. I believe they all know there is a chance they could die out there - it is the wilderness after all, and they are willing to take that chance. Personally, I don’t want to be taken out by an avalanche- seems like a horrific way to go, so I will never, ever, put myself in that position, however, some people think it’s worth the risk, I guess.

You know what else is a horrible way to die? A fiery car crash. But I bet you drive more than necessary and you’re willing to accept that risk.

I sure hope the families don't sue since the skiers accepted the risk.

They will sue and win just as Kobe's wife did.

Perhaps. But their loved ones will remain just as a dead as Kobe.

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Anonymous wrote:This is absolutely davastating! my thoughts and prayers are with the families right now.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62dke15357o

Can you imagine heading out for a day of fun and then, THIS??

What is an "accidental" avalanche?

Versus a deliberately triggered avalanche.

But this was just an avalanche. It wasn't an "accidental avalanche." Shit just happens. There was no need whatsoever for the weird modifier.

That makes it accidental vs avalanches that are triggered using techniques such as explosives to make skiiing areas more safe.

+1. The fact that some posters don’t even know this occurs explains so much about some of the commentary.

When skiers trigger an avalanche, that's not just accidental.

Exactly. The women triggered the avalanche.

Definitely not the conditions ripe for avalanches.

"Accidentally" means, by definition, unexpectedly or unintentionally. Is English your first language?

This avalanche wasn't unexpected. What are you talking about? There were avalanche warnings and predictions. So, exactly the opposite of an accident.

If that avalanche wasn't unexpected, why did the expert guides lead their clients through there? It was either accidental or negligence.

But they were highly intelligent, experienced back country skiers, right? They made the choice to go on a ski trip when extreme weather conditions and chance of svalanches had been predicted for a week. Or they weren't smart and experienced enough to look at weather reports? Which is it?

Give it a rest. What are you trying to accomplish? People died. Looking back on what happened with 20/20 hindsight is a useful exercise for a small population, which doesn’t include you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is absolutely davastating! my thoughts and prayers are with the families right now.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62dke15357o

Can you imagine heading out for a day of fun and then, THIS??

What is an "accidental" avalanche?

Versus a deliberately triggered avalanche.

But this was just an avalanche. It wasn't an "accidental avalanche." Shit just happens. There was no need whatsoever for the weird modifier.

That makes it accidental vs avalanches that are triggered using techniques such as explosives to make skiiing areas more safe.

+1. The fact that some posters don’t even know this occurs explains so much about some of the commentary.

When skiers trigger an avalanche, that's not just accidental.

Exactly. The women triggered the avalanche.

Definitely not the conditions ripe for avalanches.

"Accidentally" means, by definition, unexpectedly or unintentionally. Is English your first language?

This avalanche wasn't unexpected. What are you talking about? There were avalanche warnings and predictions. So, exactly the opposite of an accident.

If that avalanche wasn't unexpected, why did the expert guides lead their clients through there? It was either accidental or negligence.

But they were highly intelligent, experienced back country skiers, right? They made the choice to go on a ski trip when extreme weather conditions and chance of svalanches had been predicted for a week. Or they weren't smart and experienced enough to look at weather reports? Which is it?

Clearly the guides' decisionmaking was lacking.

What about the decision making of the skiers who embarked on the trip?

Read the NYT article. The guides told them they had to leave in a hurry. There wasn’t room for a discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:This is absolutely davastating! my thoughts and prayers are with the families right now.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62dke15357o

Can you imagine heading out for a day of fun and then, THIS??

What is an "accidental" avalanche?

Versus a deliberately triggered avalanche.

But this was just an avalanche. It wasn't an "accidental avalanche." Shit just happens. There was no need whatsoever for the weird modifier.

That makes it accidental vs avalanches that are triggered using techniques such as explosives to make skiiing areas more safe.

+1. The fact that some posters don’t even know this occurs explains so much about some of the commentary.

When skiers trigger an avalanche, that's not just accidental.

Exactly. The women triggered the avalanche.

Definitely not the conditions ripe for avalanches.

"Accidentally" means, by definition, unexpectedly or unintentionally. Is English your first language?

This avalanche wasn't unexpected. What are you talking about? There were avalanche warnings and predictions. So, exactly the opposite of an accident.

If that avalanche wasn't unexpected, why did the expert guides lead their clients through there? It was either accidental or negligence.

But they were highly intelligent, experienced back country skiers, right? They made the choice to go on a ski trip when extreme weather conditions and chance of svalanches had been predicted for a week. Or they weren't smart and experienced enough to look at weather reports? Which is it?

Clearly the guides' decisionmaking was lacking.

What about the decision making of the skiers who embarked on the trip?

Read the NYT article. The guides told them they had to leave in a hurry. There wasn’t room for a discussion.

The decision-making to take this trip befire they left home despite a week's warning of predicted severe weather and very heavy snowfall.

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Anonymous wrote:This is absolutely davastating! my thoughts and prayers are with the families right now.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62dke15357o

Can you imagine heading out for a day of fun and then, THIS??

What is an "accidental" avalanche?

Versus a deliberately triggered avalanche.

But this was just an avalanche. It wasn't an "accidental avalanche." Shit just happens. There was no need whatsoever for the weird modifier.

That makes it accidental vs avalanches that are triggered using techniques such as explosives to make skiiing areas more safe.

+1. The fact that some posters don’t even know this occurs explains so much about some of the commentary.

When skiers trigger an avalanche, that's not just accidental.

Exactly. The women triggered the avalanche.

Definitely not the conditions ripe for avalanches.

"Accidentally" means, by definition, unexpectedly or unintentionally. Is English your first language?

This avalanche wasn't unexpected. What are you talking about? There were avalanche warnings and predictions. So, exactly the opposite of an accident.

If that avalanche wasn't unexpected, why did the expert guides lead their clients through there? It was either accidental or negligence.

But they were highly intelligent, experienced back country skiers, right? They made the choice to go on a ski trip when extreme weather conditions and chance of svalanches had been predicted for a week. Or they weren't smart and experienced enough to look at weather reports? Which is it?

Give it a rest. What are you trying to accomplish? People died. Looking back on what happened with 20/20 hindsight is a useful exercise for a small population, which doesn’t include you.

That’s the favorite hobby of the DCUM’s sanctimonious, judgmental cows.

They know everything about everything and won’t hesitate to shit on dead people just to spout off their own ignorant opinions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is absolutely davastating! my thoughts and prayers are with the families right now.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62dke15357o

Can you imagine heading out for a day of fun and then, THIS??

What is an "accidental" avalanche?

Versus a deliberately triggered avalanche.

But this was just an avalanche. It wasn't an "accidental avalanche." Shit just happens. There was no need whatsoever for the weird modifier.

That makes it accidental vs avalanches that are triggered using techniques such as explosives to make skiiing areas more safe.

+1. The fact that some posters don’t even know this occurs explains so much about some of the commentary.

When skiers trigger an avalanche, that's not just accidental.

Exactly. The women triggered the avalanche.

Definitely not the conditions ripe for avalanches.

"Accidentally" means, by definition, unexpectedly or unintentionally. Is English your first language?

This avalanche wasn't unexpected. What are you talking about? There were avalanche warnings and predictions. So, exactly the opposite of an accident.

If that avalanche wasn't unexpected, why did the expert guides lead their clients through there? It was either accidental or negligence.

But they were highly intelligent, experienced back country skiers, right? They made the choice to go on a ski trip when extreme weather conditions and chance of svalanches had been predicted for a week. Or they weren't smart and experienced enough to look at weather reports? Which is it?

Give it a rest. What are you trying to accomplish? People died. Looking back on what happened with 20/20 hindsight is a useful exercise for a small population, which doesn’t include you.

That's why it's extremely important to take trips with forethought.

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Anonymous wrote:This is absolutely davastating! my thoughts and prayers are with the families right now.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62dke15357o

Can you imagine heading out for a day of fun and then, THIS??

What is an "accidental" avalanche?

Versus a deliberately triggered avalanche.

But this was just an avalanche. It wasn't an "accidental avalanche." Shit just happens. There was no need whatsoever for the weird modifier.

That makes it accidental vs avalanches that are triggered using techniques such as explosives to make skiiing areas more safe.

+1. The fact that some posters don’t even know this occurs explains so much about some of the commentary.

When skiers trigger an avalanche, that's not just accidental.

Exactly. The women triggered the avalanche.

Definitely not the conditions ripe for avalanches.

"Accidentally" means, by definition, unexpectedly or unintentionally. Is English your first language?

This avalanche wasn't unexpected. What are you talking about? There were avalanche warnings and predictions. So, exactly the opposite of an accident.

If that avalanche wasn't unexpected, why did the expert guides lead their clients through there? It was either accidental or negligence.

But they were highly intelligent, experienced back country skiers, right? They made the choice to go on a ski trip when extreme weather conditions and chance of svalanches had been predicted for a week. Or they weren't smart and experienced enough to look at weather reports? Which is it?

Give it a rest. What are you trying to accomplish? People died. Looking back on what happened with 20/20 hindsight is a useful exercise for a small population, which doesn’t include you.

That’s the favorite hobby of the DCUM’s sanctimonious, judgmental cows.

They know everything about everything and won’t hesitate to shit on dead people just to spout off their own ignorant opinions.

Thanks for sharing your own ignorant opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:This is absolutely davastating! my thoughts and prayers are with the families right now.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62dke15357o

Can you imagine heading out for a day of fun and then, THIS??

What is an "accidental" avalanche?

Versus a deliberately triggered avalanche.

But this was just an avalanche. It wasn't an "accidental avalanche." Shit just happens. There was no need whatsoever for the weird modifier.

That makes it accidental vs avalanches that are triggered using techniques such as explosives to make skiiing areas more safe.

+1. The fact that some posters don’t even know this occurs explains so much about some of the commentary.

When skiers trigger an avalanche, that's not just accidental.

Exactly. The women triggered the avalanche.

Definitely not the conditions ripe for avalanches.

"Accidentally" means, by definition, unexpectedly or unintentionally. Is English your first language?

This avalanche wasn't unexpected. What are you talking about? There were avalanche warnings and predictions. So, exactly the opposite of an accident.

If that avalanche wasn't unexpected, why did the expert guides lead their clients through there? It was either accidental or negligence.

But they were highly intelligent, experienced back country skiers, right? They made the choice to go on a ski trip when extreme weather conditions and chance of svalanches had been predicted for a week. Or they weren't smart and experienced enough to look at weather reports? Which is it?

Give it a rest. What are you trying to accomplish? People died. Looking back on what happened with 20/20 hindsight is a useful exercise for a small population, which doesn’t include you.

That’s the favorite hobby of the DCUM’s sanctimonious, judgmental cows.

They know everything about everything and won’t hesitate to shit on dead people just to spout off their own ignorant opinions.

Thanks for sharing your own ignorant opinion.

PP's garbage comments are all here for us all to see.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is absolutely davastating! my thoughts and prayers are with the families right now.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62dke15357o

Can you imagine heading out for a day of fun and then, THIS??

What is an "accidental" avalanche?

Versus a deliberately triggered avalanche.

But this was just an avalanche. It wasn't an "accidental avalanche." Shit just happens. There was no need whatsoever for the weird modifier.

That makes it accidental vs avalanches that are triggered using techniques such as explosives to make skiiing areas more safe.

+1. The fact that some posters don’t even know this occurs explains so much about some of the commentary.

When skiers trigger an avalanche, that's not just accidental.

Exactly. The women triggered the avalanche.

Definitely not the conditions ripe for avalanches.

"Accidentally" means, by definition, unexpectedly or unintentionally. Is English your first language?

This avalanche wasn't unexpected. What are you talking about? There were avalanche warnings and predictions. So, exactly the opposite of an accident.

If that avalanche wasn't unexpected, why did the expert guides lead their clients through there? It was either accidental or negligence.

But they were highly intelligent, experienced back country skiers, right? They made the choice to go on a ski trip when extreme weather conditions and chance of svalanches had been predicted for a week. Or they weren't smart and experienced enough to look at weather reports? Which is it?

Give it a rest. What are you trying to accomplish? People died. Looking back on what happened with 20/20 hindsight is a useful exercise for a small population, which doesn’t include you.

That’s the favorite hobby of the DCUM’s sanctimonious, judgmental cows.

They know everything about everything and won’t hesitate to shit on dead people just to spout off their own ignorant opinions.

Thanks for sharing your own ignorant opinion.

PP's garbage comments are all here for us all to see.

It's a cautionary tale. Necessary for the dimwits who think this was all just a huge accident.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is absolutely davastating! my thoughts and prayers are with the families right now.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62dke15357o

Can you imagine heading out for a day of fun and then, THIS??

What is an "accidental" avalanche?

Versus a deliberately triggered avalanche.

But this was just an avalanche. It wasn't an "accidental avalanche." Shit just happens. There was no need whatsoever for the weird modifier.

Safety is never accidental.

It was this time. The male survivors were held back by their lack of skill and in one case struggling with a binding. They accidentally weren’t bunched directly in the path of the avalanche as the guides had the women. From that point on, led mostly by the electrician is the impression the NYT article leaves, they made good choices in rescue and survival. But their initial survival was entirely accidental.

No it wasn’t.

The phrase is Safety is No Accident.

None of them were thinking Safety, by virtue that they were out in severe avalanche and white out conditions.

The 2 solo men and 1 guide weren’t spared due to being extra safety-minded (they weren’t safety minded at all). One just had bad gear and was slowing the other two down.

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Anonymous wrote:This is absolutely davastating! my thoughts and prayers are with the families right now.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62dke15357o

Can you imagine heading out for a day of fun and then, THIS??

What is an "accidental" avalanche?

Versus a deliberately triggered avalanche.

But this was just an avalanche. It wasn't an "accidental avalanche." Shit just happens. There was no need whatsoever for the weird modifier.

That makes it accidental vs avalanches that are triggered using techniques such as explosives to make skiiing areas more safe.

+1. The fact that some posters don’t even know this occurs explains so much about some of the commentary.

When skiers trigger an avalanche, that's not just accidental.

Exactly. The women triggered the avalanche.

Definitely not the conditions ripe for avalanches.

"Accidentally" means, by definition, unexpectedly or unintentionally. Is English your first language?

I accidentally hit someone- in my car doing 90mph in a dark downpour.
What an accident. Sheesh!

[Anonymous]

Bad judgment is not an accident, it’s negligence.