Initial boundary options for Crown/Damascus study

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There are not any City of ________ schools. There are only MCPS schools.

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Anonymous wrote:To no one’s surprise, very little change to Churchill under any of the options.

I’m in the small part that is changing. It’s pretty nuts because I live in the area right by the Potomac Community Center. That part of Wayside has been Churchill since its opening. We are literally 1.7-2 miles from Churchill yet the four options have us moving to Wootton which is 15-20 minutes a day longer commute. Not to mention this brings the Wootton boundary so far south. Very disappointed mostly because of Wootton being incredibly old/asbestos, the aforementioned increased time, and the fact that our neighborhood is very much part of the community with Beverly Farms, Bells Mill, Potomac and Seven Locks ES.

A big chunk of Wayside was developed in the mid 90s and originally was meant to go to Frost and Wootton but due to overcrowding at both, they moved them to the then under crowded Churchill.

Additionally a huge section of Potomac ES would stay at Churchill and drive past much of Wayside on the way. Whereas those areas might be equidistant from each, they are far closer to North Potomac community wise and should look different.

They really needed to redo ES boundaries as some are quite wacky and massively large. Also whoever was bright enough to build both Cabin John and Hoover MS within a mile from each other made a big mistake. A MS up closer to QO/Wootton/Crown would have been so much better.

The MS to HS splits are going to be pretty messy from both under these options.

That's not going to matter. Right now Fallsgrove is walking distance to Lakewood and Wootton but get bussed 15 minutes to Richie Park and Richard Montgomery. It's just the way ut is and always will work out that way for some neighborhoods close to certain schools but bussed to others.

Fallsgrove was part of a land sale deal which was contingent on this community never going to Wootton. No idea of the reasoning but this was the deal.

I read somewhere Fallsgrove went to Wootton like 30 years ago? (Can't remember precisely.)

Fallsgrove was built in 2002. During pre-build it was preliminarily zoned for Wootton but before anyone moved in it was moved to RM cluster. Meeting minutes from a 2000 city council meeting show tge council was concerned about overcrowding at Wootton due to Fallsgrove but other new communities have been built since and zoned into Wootton so it makes no sense. All of the new neighborhoods zoned into Wootton after Fallsgrove are farther away to the school than Fallsgrove is.

City Council minutes January 2000:
https://www.rockvillemd.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Minutes/2868?MOBILE=ON

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The Mayor said she had concerns about the school issues because it was clear Wootton High School could not absorb the population projected for Fallsgrove. However, if the Montgomery County Board of Education decides the students in Fallsgrove should go to Richard Montgomery High School and the staging of the development corresponds to either the building of a new RM or its substantial renovation, this issue could be very successfully resolved."

The Millenium Trail literally goes through/connects Fallsgrove to Lakewood and Wootton via the city's biggest bike/walking path but the kids get bussed to Ritchie Park, JW and RM when they could be walkers to elementary and high school.

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Horizon Hill is also walkable to Wootton, and it used to be, but none of the options has HH going back to Wootton. It's not going to happen.

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City of Rockville all go to RM or Wooton.
City of Gaithersburg all go to Gaithersburg or Crown.
South and west of Gaithersburg and Rockville split between Churchill and QO.
Germantown and Clarskburg split between Northwest, Seneca Valley, Clarksburg.

It's just common sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Travilah and dufief should go to QO and Kentlands should go to Crown with all the other City of Gaithersburg schools.

That is very logical. North Potomac, Travilah, and Darnestown go to Ridgeview / QO. The City of Gaithersburg schools go to Lakelands / Crown. Falls Grove and Ritchie Park to Wooton.

I have said this for a long time, before any boundary discussion. It is the most elegant contiguous solution. Of course people have their preferences based on past experience but none of that matters in these discussions. Now Kentlands leaving is a new topic of course with Crown, but agree with City boundaries being logical here, and having enough students to fill Crown in one swath.

Yup. Same reason why Fallsgrove and Ritchie Park should go to Wootton and all of King Farm to RM.

RM parent here and I would totally support that. Lets be real, "unofficially" most of King Farm goes to RM, even the Gaithersburg HS part. So tired of RPES parents whining about Wootton. I get it, you want to go to W school and not RM.

Nah. I'm in the RPES cluster, and a lot of parents here would rather stay at RM than go to Wootton. I'm the PP who has stated repeatedly that MCPS is not going to move RPES to Wootton. And I'm fine with that.

RM Main Street is really nice. They did a great job. Kids love having open lunch. My kids enjoy/ed their time at RM. Many years ago when we moved here, we looked at homes from N. Potomac down to Kensington (I think we looked at over 40 homes). We could afford homes in Potomac. We chose the RM cluster for a reason.

Wootton is also falling apart (shame on MCPS).

I am the PP you are responding to. We were in the same boat. Chose RM over W/Potomac schools and I am actually happy we did.

Ok simmer down lol. If RM didn’t have the IB program it would be a trash. It brought in RPES to make it better and home equity is 70-100K less in many SFH neighborhoods. So then added IB. Then they added Fallsgrove. But the school can’t hide its core issues

Why don’t you simmer down? Wootton is the most irrelevant W school that everyone forgets exists. Parents from Churchill are revolting against their kids attending Wootton. It has an ugly building, is located in a terrible town/zip-code, and is all the way out in the middle of nowhere. If the plastics were W schools, Wootton would Gretchen Wieners. Wootton is truly the worst. Too poor/low income to be a real W and exists in the shadows of Whitman and Churchill, and too rich to be interesting enough to have scandalous incidents and fights.

Yes let’s go to RM, where it is “interesting and poor enough” to have incidents and fights daily on top of the locked bathrooms. Are you for real?!?

Wootton doesn’t care about anything but academics and a few sports. It is not entitled, basic MC/UMC and has no daily issues. That’s why home prices right next to the RM district that look identical are 100K more expensive. Families will pay to get into a decent school that prefers academics over scandals.

I mean your post is just laughable. I think you proved the PP point about RM.

Is this a joke? Wootton is so cheap. Your cluster consists of nothing but a bunch of NV homes. Wootton neighborhood is just Bowie with no Black people and a pool in the backyard. Most people in RM could sell their house and move to Wootton or even Whitman tomorrow. Homes near the town center are much more expensive than anything Wootton has. You’re the only W cluster where the median home price is below $1M. Wootton is a fake and wannabe W. Now go back to your dilapidated strip malls on a road that looks like Ritchie Highway in Glen Burnie and your dusty, old high school.

from that nearly 40 year old newspaper article... Now RM has the 'new' school and Wooton is aged. My oldest just graduated RM yesterday. She could walk to school, had open lunch, and great teachers. She didn't do IB but like half her friends did. I'm glad we arent being moved.

We absolutely chose an RM neighborhood over Wooton when buying houses. Both were affordable to us. We had 1 in IB and one not. Both had great experiences.

No one cares about if RM is “new” it is still poverty full and has terrible testing scores outside of IB. Even QO tests higher than non-IB RM.

I mean Gaithersburg and Crown are “new” and no one wants to go to either of them.

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Anonymous wrote:City of Rockville all go to RM or Wooton.
City of Gaithersburg all go to Gaithersburg or Crown.
South and west of Gaithersburg and Rockville split between Churchill and QO.
Germantown and Clarskburg split between Northwest, Seneca Valley, Clarksburg.

It's just common sense.

Not really. FG is closer to Crown than Wootton, but FG is Rockville.

Like I said, part of the issue is that some of the schools are so close together that some people who are close to one school will end up at another.

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Anonymous wrote:I just hope they don't redistrict QO with any striver schools. Purposely avoided buying in Wootton and Walter Johnson because of all the tiger moms and academic culture. Football, D1 sports, and parents who like to hang out at the beach and tanning salons for fun is the vibe. I think everyone chose their school and neighborhood because it matched their vibe, and they should be allowed to say.

While I agree that we bought where we did because of these factors and don't want to change that, if it ultimately MAKES SENSE to change, then it needs to. The problem is that these options operate under the improper constraint that ES boundaries cannot change.

Yes and as a result this process is like trying to solve one of those puzzles where when you put a piece in another pops out elsewhere. Some ES are wacky and large. In Wootton, Churchill, RM alone the following elementary schools should be redrawn. These are all significantly under capacity.

- Potomac
- Wayside
- Coldspring
- Beverly Farms
- Seven Locks (weird Avenel island)
- Travilah

I remember when they were doing redistricting for the new Rustin ES and for years Ritchie Park was severely overcrowded with 6 portables. And so were many other RM ES and Cold Spring was a possible closure for severe under-enrollment. Someone brought up why are you looking to move Horizon Hill (the neighborhood behind Wootton and walkable to Cold Spring, to Rustin in one plan?!? Further than both Ritchie and Cold.

Like why is RP sitting a few hundred over capacity and a school closer and walkable a few hundred under capacity. And the first thought is let’s bus them further away to a new ES.

These boundary maps have always been insane and with no common sense.

That was option 4 and it was to bus us to twinbrook

That option was a total non starter, but because they threw that in there, half the time at the meeting was spent on that option by the HH folks.

Why does MCPS throw in ridiculous options that cause so much wasted time and effort?

I'm a HH resident who spoke against it. We didn't think it was likely they would select that option, but the impact would have been terrible if they did. So we all spoke loudly against it. It had Twinbrook and HH crossing each other to the other school. They only put it there to show that there could be no way to truly balance socioeconomic diversity, since the Twinbrook area and the RPES southern areas were each right next to their respective schools, but had vastly different socioeconomic status.

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Anonymous wrote:Travilah and dufief should go to QO and Kentlands should go to Crown with all the other City of Gaithersburg schools.

That is very logical. North Potomac, Travilah, and Darnestown go to Ridgeview / QO. The City of Gaithersburg schools go to Lakelands / Crown. Falls Grove and Ritchie Park to Wooton.

I have said this for a long time, before any boundary discussion. It is the most elegant contiguous solution. Of course people have their preferences based on past experience but none of that matters in these discussions. Now Kentlands leaving is a new topic of course with Crown, but agree with City boundaries being logical here, and having enough students to fill Crown in one swath.

Yup. Same reason why Fallsgrove and Ritchie Park should go to Wootton and all of King Farm to RM.

RM parent here and I would totally support that. Lets be real, "unofficially" most of King Farm goes to RM, even the Gaithersburg HS part. So tired of RPES parents whining about Wootton. I get it, you want to go to W school and not RM.

Nah. I'm in the RPES cluster, and a lot of parents here would rather stay at RM than go to Wootton. I'm the PP who has stated repeatedly that MCPS is not going to move RPES to Wootton. And I'm fine with that.

RM Main Street is really nice. They did a great job. Kids love having open lunch. My kids enjoy/ed their time at RM. Many years ago when we moved here, we looked at homes from N. Potomac down to Kensington (I think we looked at over 40 homes). We could afford homes in Potomac. We chose the RM cluster for a reason.

Wootton is also falling apart (shame on MCPS).

I am the PP you are responding to. We were in the same boat. Chose RM over W/Potomac schools and I am actually happy we did.

Ok simmer down lol. If RM didn’t have the IB program it would be a trash. It brought in RPES to make it better and home equity is 70-100K less in many SFH neighborhoods. So then added IB. Then they added Fallsgrove. But the school can’t hide its core issues

Why don’t you simmer down? Wootton is the most irrelevant W school that everyone forgets exists. Parents from Churchill are revolting against their kids attending Wootton. It has an ugly building, is located in a terrible town/zip-code, and is all the way out in the middle of nowhere. If the plastics were W schools, Wootton would Gretchen Wieners. Wootton is truly the worst. Too poor/low income to be a real W and exists in the shadows of Whitman and Churchill, and too rich to be interesting enough to have scandalous incidents and fights.

Yes let’s go to RM, where it is “interesting and poor enough” to have incidents and fights daily on top of the locked bathrooms. Are you for real?!?

Wootton doesn’t care about anything but academics and a few sports. It is not entitled, basic MC/UMC and has no daily issues. That’s why home prices right next to the RM district that look identical are 100K more expensive. Families will pay to get into a decent school that prefers academics over scandals.

I mean your post is just laughable. I think you proved the PP point about RM.

Is this a joke? Wootton is so cheap. Your cluster consists of nothing but a bunch of NV homes. Wootton neighborhood is just Bowie with no Black people and a pool in the backyard. Most people in RM could sell their house and move to Wootton or even Whitman tomorrow. Homes near the town center are much more expensive than anything Wootton has. You’re the only W cluster where the median home price is below $1M. Wootton is a fake and wannabe W. Now go back to your dilapidated strip malls on a road that looks like Ritchie Highway in Glen Burnie and your dusty, old high school.

from that nearly 40 year old newspaper article... Now RM has the 'new' school and Wooton is aged. My oldest just graduated RM yesterday. She could walk to school, had open lunch, and great teachers. She didn't do IB but like half her friends did. I'm glad we arent being moved.

We absolutely chose an RM neighborhood over Wooton when buying houses. Both were affordable to us. We had 1 in IB and one not. Both had great experiences.

No one cares about if RM is “new” it is still poverty full and has terrible testing scores outside of IB. Even QO tests higher than non-IB RM.

I mean Gaithersburg and Crown are “new” and no one wants to go to either of them.

no, it doesn't. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a Wayside parent who is unhappy with the changes.

Wootton is a great school, but it’s an extra 20 minutes away from our house. Falls Road is already super congested, especially during rush hour.

My kids can walk and bike to Churchill, but definitely can’t to Wootton.

Hoover and Churchill are right next to each other. They literally share a field. It makes no sense to break Hoover up.

Under all four scenarios, I will have kids in middle school at Hoover and high school at Wooton at the same time. Coordinating pick ups from after school school programs is going to get harder, and will add to traffic on Falls Road.

And it sad that my kids will make a bunch of friends at Hoover and then have to leave them behind.

I have neighbors whose siblings are going to get split up. They’ll be waiting for different buses to take them to different schools in the mornings.

I know these aren’t huge problems in the grand scheme of things, but it’s a really disruptive change and doesn’t make geographic sense.

This is the problem. People on this board have talked for years about how bad split articulation is for Cabin John. Giving guidance to people asking about which school district to buy into to avoid CJ for this reason. Now it looks like they're just shifting the problem to Hoover. I guess this will inevitably happen in the capacity of Churchill is less than the capacity for CJ+Hoover. One of them will either have to split or will have to be severely undercapacity. Or I guess they could have only one MS flow into Churchill and then expand the special programs (either special ed or some smallish magnet program) to bring students in from other parts of the broader MCPS district.

What’s crazy though is the MS enrollment of both CJ and Hoover are significantly less than Churchill especially when you take out the Wootton portion of CJ.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought there maybe new 500 families coming in to zone to Crown HS in future years if approved. What do you all think?

https://mocoshow.com/2025/05/29/new-proposal-would-bring-500-residential-units-43k-sf-of-retail-across-four-buildings-to-rio-in-gaithersburg/

Yeah banking on new housing is not very smart right now.

Also, regarding MCPS enrollment projections - Every year, they claim in future years, schools will see influx of students. Then, as you move closer towards those projections, they don't happen. This has been happening forever, and they are either too stupid to realize it or they don't care. Crown's construction is being done on the basis of such projections.

Fake projections are done on purpose to secure funding in excess of what is actually needed.

Exactly. Crown is a school that doesn’t need to be built. There are only 400-500 surplus for QO, RM and Gaithersburg. There are not enough students to support a brand new high school. MCPS fabricated data to build crown and ignored decade long requests to renovate Wootton. Wootton is really the victim here because of the political agenda behind MCPS and BOE.

100% agree!!!! The prior boards should be ashamed of themselves for a colossal waste of money!

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Anonymous wrote:City of Rockville all go to RM or Wooton.
City of Gaithersburg all go to Gaithersburg or Crown.
South and west of Gaithersburg and Rockville split between Churchill and QO.
Germantown and Clarskburg split between Northwest, Seneca Valley, Clarksburg.

It's just common sense.

That actually doesn't work fully because Wootton is on the border of Rockville. There are non-city-of-Rockville neighborhoods right by it that would need to be bused FAR to Churchill or QO.

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Anonymous wrote:To no one’s surprise, very little change to Churchill under any of the options.

I’m in the small part that is changing. It’s pretty nuts because I live in the area right by the Potomac Community Center. That part of Wayside has been Churchill since its opening. We are literally 1.7-2 miles from Churchill yet the four options have us moving to Wootton which is 15-20 minutes a day longer commute. Not to mention this brings the Wootton boundary so far south. Very disappointed mostly because of Wootton being incredibly old/asbestos, the aforementioned increased time, and the fact that our neighborhood is very much part of the community with Beverly Farms, Bells Mill, Potomac and Seven Locks ES.

A big chunk of Wayside was developed in the mid 90s and originally was meant to go to Frost and Wootton but due to overcrowding at both, they moved them to the then under crowded Churchill.

Additionally a huge section of Potomac ES would stay at Churchill and drive past much of Wayside on the way. Whereas those areas might be equidistant from each, they are far closer to North Potomac community wise and should look different.

They really needed to redo ES boundaries as some are quite wacky and massively large. Also whoever was bright enough to build both Cabin John and Hoover MS within a mile from each other made a big mistake. A MS up closer to QO/Wootton/Crown would have been so much better.

The MS to HS splits are going to be pretty messy from both under these options.

That's not going to matter. Right now Fallsgrove is walking distance to Lakewood and Wootton but get bussed 15 minutes to Richie Park and Richard Montgomery. It's just the way ut is and always will work out that way for some neighborhoods close to certain schools but bussed to others.

Fallsgrove was part of a land sale deal which was contingent on this community never going to Wootton. No idea of the reasoning but this was the deal.

I read somewhere Fallsgrove went to Wootton like 30 years ago? (Can't remember precisely.)

Fallsgrove was built in 2002. During pre-build it was preliminarily zoned for Wootton but before anyone moved in it was moved to RM cluster. Meeting minutes from a 2000 city council meeting show tge council was concerned about overcrowding at Wootton due to Fallsgrove but other new communities have been built since and zoned into Wootton so it makes no sense. All of the new neighborhoods zoned into Wootton after Fallsgrove are farther away to the school than Fallsgrove is.

City Council minutes January 2000:
https://www.rockvillemd.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Minutes/2868?MOBILE=ON

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The Mayor said she had concerns about the school issues because it was clear Wootton High School could not absorb the population projected for Fallsgrove. However, if the Montgomery County Board of Education decides the students in Fallsgrove should go to Richard Montgomery High School and the staging of the development corresponds to either the building of a new RM or its substantial renovation, this issue could be very successfully resolved."

The Millenium Trail literally goes through/connects Fallsgrove to Lakewood and Wootton via the city's biggest bike/walking path but the kids get bussed to Ritchie Park, JW and RM when they could be walkers to elementary and high school.

Oh yea the ole bait n switch. I remember this clearly. Buy a new home into a W school district!! Then as the plots were sold and the houses were built they were like welp, sorry. We are gonna bus you further to a crappier district and you already lost 10-20% of your home value. People were spitting mad.

And for the people claiming they prefer RM must only be renters because Fallsgrove, Potomac Woods, Horizon Hill, Orchard Ridge, etc.. would see an increase of 50-100K on their homes value if they were moved back to Wootton.

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Anonymous wrote:City of Rockville all go to RM or Wooton.
City of Gaithersburg all go to Gaithersburg or Crown.
South and west of Gaithersburg and Rockville split between Churchill and QO.
Germantown and Clarskburg split between Northwest, Seneca Valley, Clarksburg.

It's just common sense.

Not really. FG is closer to Crown than Wootton, but FG is Rockville.

Like I said, part of the issue is that some of the schools are so close together that some people who are close to one school will end up at another.

FG is not closer to Crown - its *maybe* almost equidistant but Wootton is closer and accessible via the Millenium Trail. Walking from Fallagrove to Crown has no designated walking routes - there's not even sidewalks on part of the road heading from Key West towards Rio and it requires crossing Shady Grove Road and Key West Highway during rush hour.

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Anonymous wrote:To no one’s surprise, very little change to Churchill under any of the options.

I’m in the small part that is changing. It’s pretty nuts because I live in the area right by the Potomac Community Center. That part of Wayside has been Churchill since its opening. We are literally 1.7-2 miles from Churchill yet the four options have us moving to Wootton which is 15-20 minutes a day longer commute. Not to mention this brings the Wootton boundary so far south. Very disappointed mostly because of Wootton being incredibly old/asbestos, the aforementioned increased time, and the fact that our neighborhood is very much part of the community with Beverly Farms, Bells Mill, Potomac and Seven Locks ES.

A big chunk of Wayside was developed in the mid 90s and originally was meant to go to Frost and Wootton but due to overcrowding at both, they moved them to the then under crowded Churchill.

Additionally a huge section of Potomac ES would stay at Churchill and drive past much of Wayside on the way. Whereas those areas might be equidistant from each, they are far closer to North Potomac community wise and should look different.

They really needed to redo ES boundaries as some are quite wacky and massively large. Also whoever was bright enough to build both Cabin John and Hoover MS within a mile from each other made a big mistake. A MS up closer to QO/Wootton/Crown would have been so much better.

The MS to HS splits are going to be pretty messy from both under these options.

That's not going to matter. Right now Fallsgrove is walking distance to Lakewood and Wootton but get bussed 15 minutes to Richie Park and Richard Montgomery. It's just the way ut is and always will work out that way for some neighborhoods close to certain schools but bussed to others.

Fallsgrove was part of a land sale deal which was contingent on this community never going to Wootton. No idea of the reasoning but this was the deal.

I read somewhere Fallsgrove went to Wootton like 30 years ago? (Can't remember precisely.)

Fallsgrove was built in 2002. During pre-build it was preliminarily zoned for Wootton but before anyone moved in it was moved to RM cluster. Meeting minutes from a 2000 city council meeting show tge council was concerned about overcrowding at Wootton due to Fallsgrove but other new communities have been built since and zoned into Wootton so it makes no sense. All of the new neighborhoods zoned into Wootton after Fallsgrove are farther away to the school than Fallsgrove is.

City Council minutes January 2000:
https://www.rockvillemd.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Minutes/2868?MOBILE=ON

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The Mayor said she had concerns about the school issues because it was clear Wootton High School could not absorb the population projected for Fallsgrove. However, if the Montgomery County Board of Education decides the students in Fallsgrove should go to Richard Montgomery High School and the staging of the development corresponds to either the building of a new RM or its substantial renovation, this issue could be very successfully resolved."

The Millenium Trail literally goes through/connects Fallsgrove to Lakewood and Wootton via the city's biggest bike/walking path but the kids get bussed to Ritchie Park, JW and RM when they could be walkers to elementary and high school.

That decision was ridiculous and made absolutely no sense, Fallsgrove is not even a very big community, for example compared to King Farm and Kentlands/Lakelands.

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Anonymous wrote:City of Rockville all go to RM or Wooton.
City of Gaithersburg all go to Gaithersburg or Crown.
South and west of Gaithersburg and Rockville split between Churchill and QO.
Germantown and Clarskburg split between Northwest, Seneca Valley, Clarksburg.

It's just common sense.

That actually doesn't work fully because Wootton is on the border of Rockville. There are non-city-of-Rockville neighborhoods right by it that would need to be bused FAR to Churchill or QO.

Wootton and Churchill are three miles apart. 3.2 miles between schools is not FAR.