Initial boundary options for Crown/Damascus study

[Anonymous]

brightwood wrote:

Although I don’t love it, I feel the same. The kids will still be at a W school and my property value remains the same.
It’s a win for us.

This "W" school thing is such BS. I was at a non-W MCPS high school and I have a fantastic career and multiple gradate degrees. I have friends who went to "W" schools and are no more successful than I am, many less successful. Even the "worst" high school in Montgomery County is better than 99% of the schools around this country. People need to chill out. Your kids will be just fine at Crown. There are kids at RM and Rockville and Gaithersburg who will go on to be doctors, lawyer, and scientists. People need to get over themselves.

I don’t know when you graduated but things have severely gone downhill for most of those non W schools. Lots of violence and gang activity now. No thanks!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Cold Spring ES has a capacity of 460. It has a total enrollment of only 350. Worse, because it is a CES location, something like 100 of those students are out of the boundary area. So only about 250 students even come from the boundary itself. That means parents with elementary-school-age children are not buying there. When they do get older and go to Cabin John, they stay with the kids from Stone Mill ES at least when they then move on to Wootton. So it seems that there is trouble selling in this neighborhood for the elementary school at least, though many factors play into that. At least they have had a little bit of a cohort that stays together through high school.

Cold Spring here. Most of our neighborhood are original owners or those who bought in the 80s/90s. Interest rates almost certainly locking owners in. Anticipate it’ll turn over in the next 5 yrs.

Anticipate all you want. It’s the same in horizon hill. The people buying have older kids

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:52 portable classrooms in use in high schools in the study area:
Clarksburg: 13
Churchill: 4
RM: 9
Northwest: 11
QO: 15

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP26_AppendixH.pdf

Alright, move students in these schools to crown. Wootton doesn’t need to be split up.

that's not how it works. Some of you are like little children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
This "W" school thing is such BS. I was at a non-W MCPS high school and I have a fantastic career and multiple gradate degrees. I have friends who went to "W" schools and are no more successful than I am, many less successful. Even the "worst" high school in Montgomery County is better than 99% of the schools around this country. People need to chill out. Your kids will be just fine at Crown. There are kids at RM and Rockville and Gaithersburg who will go on to be doctors, lawyer, and scientists. People need to get over themselves.

I don’t know when you graduated but things have severely gone downhill for most of those non W schools. Lots of violence and gang activity now. No thanks!!

When our RPES neighborhood got rezoned to RM, a lot of parents put their kids in private school. One of my neighbors did not. Their kids are now a lawyer and doctor. One of the neighbors who went to a private school instead of RM ended up not doing that much.

Your kids will be fine if you let them be fine.

-RM parent whose kids are doing great, one in college - straight A student.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To no one’s surprise, very little change to Churchill under any of the options.

I’m in the small part that is changing. It’s pretty nuts because I live in the area right by the Potomac Community Center. That part of Wayside has been Churchill since its opening. We are literally 1.7-2 miles from Churchill yet the four options have us moving to Wootton which is 15-20 minutes a day longer commute. Not to mention this brings the Wootton boundary so far south. Very disappointed mostly because of Wootton being incredibly old/asbestos, the aforementioned increased time, and the fact that our neighborhood is very much part of the community with Beverly Farms, Bells Mill, Potomac and Seven Locks ES.

A big chunk of Wayside was developed in the mid 90s and originally was meant to go to Frost and Wootton but due to overcrowding at both, they moved them to the then under crowded Churchill.

Additionally a huge section of Potomac ES would stay at Churchill and drive past much of Wayside on the way. Whereas those areas might be equidistant from each, they are far closer to North Potomac community wise and should look different.

They really needed to redo ES boundaries as some are quite wacky and massively large. Also whoever was bright enough to build both Cabin John and Hoover MS within a mile from each other made a big mistake. A MS up closer to QO/Wootton/Crown would have been so much better.

The MS to HS splits are going to be pretty messy from both under these options.

That's not going to matter. Right now Fallsgrove is walking distance to Lakewood and Wootton but get bussed 15 minutes to Richie Park and Richard Montgomery. It's just the way ut is and always will work out that way for some neighborhoods close to certain schools but bussed to others.

Fallsgrove was part of a land sale deal which was contingent on this community never going to Wootton. No idea of the reasoning but this was the deal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To no one’s surprise, very little change to Churchill under any of the options.

I’m in the small part that is changing. It’s pretty nuts because I live in the area right by the Potomac Community Center. That part of Wayside has been Churchill since its opening. We are literally 1.7-2 miles from Churchill yet the four options have us moving to Wootton which is 15-20 minutes a day longer commute. Not to mention this brings the Wootton boundary so far south. Very disappointed mostly because of Wootton being incredibly old/asbestos, the aforementioned increased time, and the fact that our neighborhood is very much part of the community with Beverly Farms, Bells Mill, Potomac and Seven Locks ES.

A big chunk of Wayside was developed in the mid 90s and originally was meant to go to Frost and Wootton but due to overcrowding at both, they moved them to the then under crowded Churchill.

Additionally a huge section of Potomac ES would stay at Churchill and drive past much of Wayside on the way. Whereas those areas might be equidistant from each, they are far closer to North Potomac community wise and should look different.

They really needed to redo ES boundaries as some are quite wacky and massively large. Also whoever was bright enough to build both Cabin John and Hoover MS within a mile from each other made a big mistake. A MS up closer to QO/Wootton/Crown would have been so much better.

The MS to HS splits are going to be pretty messy from both under these options.

That's not going to matter. Right now Fallsgrove is walking distance to Lakewood and Wootton but get bussed 15 minutes to Richie Park and Richard Montgomery. It's just the way ut is and always will work out that way for some neighborhoods close to certain schools but bussed to others.

Fallsgrove was part of a land sale deal which was contingent on this community never going to Wootton. No idea of the reasoning but this was the deal.

That is an outright mistruth. No such deal would be legal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To no one’s surprise, very little change to Churchill under any of the options.

I’m in the small part that is changing. It’s pretty nuts because I live in the area right by the Potomac Community Center. That part of Wayside has been Churchill since its opening. We are literally 1.7-2 miles from Churchill yet the four options have us moving to Wootton which is 15-20 minutes a day longer commute. Not to mention this brings the Wootton boundary so far south. Very disappointed mostly because of Wootton being incredibly old/asbestos, the aforementioned increased time, and the fact that our neighborhood is very much part of the community with Beverly Farms, Bells Mill, Potomac and Seven Locks ES.

A big chunk of Wayside was developed in the mid 90s and originally was meant to go to Frost and Wootton but due to overcrowding at both, they moved them to the then under crowded Churchill.

Additionally a huge section of Potomac ES would stay at Churchill and drive past much of Wayside on the way. Whereas those areas might be equidistant from each, they are far closer to North Potomac community wise and should look different.

They really needed to redo ES boundaries as some are quite wacky and massively large. Also whoever was bright enough to build both Cabin John and Hoover MS within a mile from each other made a big mistake. A MS up closer to QO/Wootton/Crown would have been so much better.

The MS to HS splits are going to be pretty messy from both under these options.

That's not going to matter. Right now Fallsgrove is walking distance to Lakewood and Wootton but get bussed 15 minutes to Richie Park and Richard Montgomery. It's just the way ut is and always will work out that way for some neighborhoods close to certain schools but bussed to others.

Fallsgrove was part of a land sale deal which was contingent on this community never going to Wootton. No idea of the reasoning but this was the deal.

That is an outright mistruth. No such deal would be legal.

I heard it was that the Wootton community protested it due to overcrowding concerns.

I always thought that putting off Wootton for renovations was retaliation due to their protest over Fallsgrove. It's either that or racism. Don't like to play the race/religion card but can't think of any other explanation why Wootton has never been renovated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:52 portable classrooms in use in high schools in the study area:
Clarksburg: 13
Churchill: 4
RM: 9
Northwest: 11
QO: 15

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP26_AppendixH.pdf

Alright, move students in these schools to crown. Wootton doesn’t need to be split up.

that's not how it works. Some of you are like little children.

Honestly, it feels like some of you and MCPS/BOE are the little children who just want to mess around without thinking about the real impact. Wootton isn’t even over capacity — there’s no reason to mess with it. Splitting Wootton is very disruptive and just causes stress for students and families. Leave it alone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To no one’s surprise, very little change to Churchill under any of the options.

I’m in the small part that is changing. It’s pretty nuts because I live in the area right by the Potomac Community Center. That part of Wayside has been Churchill since its opening. We are literally 1.7-2 miles from Churchill yet the four options have us moving to Wootton which is 15-20 minutes a day longer commute. Not to mention this brings the Wootton boundary so far south. Very disappointed mostly because of Wootton being incredibly old/asbestos, the aforementioned increased time, and the fact that our neighborhood is very much part of the community with Beverly Farms, Bells Mill, Potomac and Seven Locks ES.

A big chunk of Wayside was developed in the mid 90s and originally was meant to go to Frost and Wootton but due to overcrowding at both, they moved them to the then under crowded Churchill.

Additionally a huge section of Potomac ES would stay at Churchill and drive past much of Wayside on the way. Whereas those areas might be equidistant from each, they are far closer to North Potomac community wise and should look different.

They really needed to redo ES boundaries as some are quite wacky and massively large. Also whoever was bright enough to build both Cabin John and Hoover MS within a mile from each other made a big mistake. A MS up closer to QO/Wootton/Crown would have been so much better.

The MS to HS splits are going to be pretty messy from both under these options.

That's not going to matter. Right now Fallsgrove is walking distance to Lakewood and Wootton but get bussed 15 minutes to Richie Park and Richard Montgomery. It's just the way ut is and always will work out that way for some neighborhoods close to certain schools but bussed to others.

Fallsgrove was part of a land sale deal which was contingent on this community never going to Wootton. No idea of the reasoning but this was the deal.

I read somewhere Fallsgrove went to Wootton like 30 years ago? (Can't remember precisely.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just hope they don't redistrict QO with any striver schools. Purposely avoided buying in Wootton and Walter Johnson because of all the tiger moms and academic culture. Football, D1 sports, and parents who like to hang out at the beach and tanning salons for fun is the vibe. I think everyone chose their school and neighborhood because it matched their vibe, and they should be allowed to say.

While I agree that we bought where we did because of these factors and don't want to change that, if it ultimately MAKES SENSE to change, then it needs to. The problem is that these options operate under the improper constraint that ES boundaries cannot change.

Yes and as a result this process is like trying to solve one of those puzzles where when you put a piece in another pops out elsewhere. Some ES are wacky and large. In Wootton, Churchill, RM alone the following elementary schools should be redrawn. These are all significantly under capacity.

- Potomac
- Wayside
- Coldspring
- Beverly Farms
- Seven Locks (weird Avenel island)
- Travilah

I remember when they were doing redistricting for the new Rustin ES and for years Ritchie Park was severely overcrowded with 6 portables. And so were many other RM ES and Cold Spring was a possible closure for severe under-enrollment. Someone brought up why are you looking to move Horizon Hill (the neighborhood behind Wootton and walkable to Cold Spring, to Rustin in one plan?!? Further than both Ritchie and Cold.

Like why is RP sitting a few hundred over capacity and a school closer and walkable a few hundred under capacity. And the first thought is let’s bus them further away to a new ES.

These boundary maps have always been insane and with no common sense.

That was option 4 and it was to bus us to twinbrook

That option was a total non starter, but because they threw that in there, half the time at the meeting was spent on that option by the HH folks.

Why does MCPS throw in ridiculous options that cause so much wasted time and effort?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:52 portable classrooms in use in high schools in the study area:
Clarksburg: 13
Churchill: 4
RM: 9
Northwest: 11
QO: 15

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP26_AppendixH.pdf

Alright, move students in these schools to crown. Wootton doesn’t need to be split up.

that's not how it works. Some of you are like little children.

Honestly, it feels like some of you and MCPS/BOE are the little children who just want to mess around without thinking about the real impact. Wootton isn’t even over capacity — there’s no reason to mess with it. Splitting Wootton is very disruptive and just causes stress for students and families. Leave it alone.

No, you people who don't think other schools should be touched are the children.

Wootton is part of the community; their boundaries are ridiculous, and some of that area is very close to Crown. Of course they should be included in the boundary study. Some of the MS in the surrounding area are also over capacity.

The fault of MCPS is that they should've redone the boundaries years ago rather than wait so long that all these HS became over capacity. HoCo redraws their boundaries every few years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To no one’s surprise, very little change to Churchill under any of the options.

I’m in the small part that is changing. It’s pretty nuts because I live in the area right by the Potomac Community Center. That part of Wayside has been Churchill since its opening. We are literally 1.7-2 miles from Churchill yet the four options have us moving to Wootton which is 15-20 minutes a day longer commute. Not to mention this brings the Wootton boundary so far south. Very disappointed mostly because of Wootton being incredibly old/asbestos, the aforementioned increased time, and the fact that our neighborhood is very much part of the community with Beverly Farms, Bells Mill, Potomac and Seven Locks ES.

A big chunk of Wayside was developed in the mid 90s and originally was meant to go to Frost and Wootton but due to overcrowding at both, they moved them to the then under crowded Churchill.

Additionally a huge section of Potomac ES would stay at Churchill and drive past much of Wayside on the way. Whereas those areas might be equidistant from each, they are far closer to North Potomac community wise and should look different.

They really needed to redo ES boundaries as some are quite wacky and massively large. Also whoever was bright enough to build both Cabin John and Hoover MS within a mile from each other made a big mistake. A MS up closer to QO/Wootton/Crown would have been so much better.

The MS to HS splits are going to be pretty messy from both under these options.

That's not going to matter. Right now Fallsgrove is walking distance to Lakewood and Wootton but get bussed 15 minutes to Richie Park and Richard Montgomery. It's just the way ut is and always will work out that way for some neighborhoods close to certain schools but bussed to others.

Fallsgrove was part of a land sale deal which was contingent on this community never going to Wootton. No idea of the reasoning but this was the deal.

I read somewhere Fallsgrove went to Wootton like 30 years ago? (Can't remember precisely.)

No. That was Ritchie Park before Fallsgrove.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To no one’s surprise, very little change to Churchill under any of the options.

I’m in the small part that is changing. It’s pretty nuts because I live in the area right by the Potomac Community Center. That part of Wayside has been Churchill since its opening. We are literally 1.7-2 miles from Churchill yet the four options have us moving to Wootton which is 15-20 minutes a day longer commute. Not to mention this brings the Wootton boundary so far south. Very disappointed mostly because of Wootton being incredibly old/asbestos, the aforementioned increased time, and the fact that our neighborhood is very much part of the community with Beverly Farms, Bells Mill, Potomac and Seven Locks ES.

A big chunk of Wayside was developed in the mid 90s and originally was meant to go to Frost and Wootton but due to overcrowding at both, they moved them to the then under crowded Churchill.

Additionally a huge section of Potomac ES would stay at Churchill and drive past much of Wayside on the way. Whereas those areas might be equidistant from each, they are far closer to North Potomac community wise and should look different.

They really needed to redo ES boundaries as some are quite wacky and massively large. Also whoever was bright enough to build both Cabin John and Hoover MS within a mile from each other made a big mistake. A MS up closer to QO/Wootton/Crown would have been so much better.

The MS to HS splits are going to be pretty messy from both under these options.

That's not going to matter. Right now Fallsgrove is walking distance to Lakewood and Wootton but get bussed 15 minutes to Richie Park and Richard Montgomery. It's just the way ut is and always will work out that way for some neighborhoods close to certain schools but bussed to others.

Fallsgrove was part of a land sale deal which was contingent on this community never going to Wootton. No idea of the reasoning but this was the deal.

That is an outright mistruth. No such deal would be legal.

I heard it was that the Wootton community protested it due to overcrowding concerns.

I always thought that putting off Wootton for renovations was retaliation due to their protest over Fallsgrove. It's either that or racism. Don't like to play the race/religion card but can't think of any other explanation why Wootton has never been renovated.

It's just beyond ridiculous. MCPS wastes so much of it's bloated budget, too.

[Anonymous]

All of the City of Gaithersburg schools going to Lakelands / Crown or Gaithersburg HS makes too much sense. That will open space at QO and then it should to be filled by the western section of the current Wooton cluster. That is what makes the most sense.

[Anonymous]

And then Wootton can add kids from other City of Rockville schools.